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DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
xjapan:
--- Quote from: Draconis on December 12, 2006, 09:11:03 am ---I could even pose the old theory...if time travel existed would go back in time and have Hitler executed?...
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We,d all be living in Britain , America, France and Russia due to colonization ;)
--- Quote from: twik on December 12, 2006, 05:59:07 am ---If, like Light, you were given the power and the opportunity to create your own morality, would you not be tempted to go down the same path?
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Hmm. if i had the DeathNote. Firstly i wouldnt even think that its real. I,d prolly assume it to be a fancy notebook from the store. Then, gosh. i wouldnt wanna own a DeathNote. It would be all ok at first. Until the Death God comes to find me. Unlike Light , I,d freak and run away. If somehow i calm down enough to actually believe that the Death God wont kill me. Thenn..I dont know.. a human who uses the Death Note can neither go to heaven nor hell. I guess i,d keep it , Just tuck it inside my shelf. MY parents respect my privacy so ill be alright. But the day may come where something shocking happens for example if i get married , have children and someone killed my kid. I,d definitely use the Note. Well, not definitely but theres a high possibility.
Ah well. I guess firstly its all about the fear of the Note. If ya get over that then it,d be your ego , and how you feel about murder. That would decide if you would go down the same path as Yagami Light
hostghost:
I have said this before...
I would have to ways to react if I had a death note and I was aware of what it is capable of. Most likely I would just hide it, keep it to myself perhaps in a bank with a note explaining what it is and that no one should ever use at and it should remain a secret forever. Could be like a family eirloom ;)
The other posibility is that I use it to become a hitman, a hitman that can't be found. I said earlier that I do not think killing is justified, so I do not think I would come to this. But perhaps if I felt that I had no other option I would use it.
Like in a kill or be killed situation...
But I guess I would feel totally miserable, and would have a hard time deciding whether to do it or not.
I can't wait to see some of Light's reactions to killing, until now he is just a cold killer, but there must be some reactions in him as to his feelings towards life.
kayryn:
The thing you have to realise in the "if you had it, what would you do?" situation is that if you WERE in Light's position, you wouldn't know for sure that the Death note IS real.
Consider, then, if it was an entirely new idea you came across, how would you react to it?
I have this slight belief that you should let whatever is coming, come. Specifically, if there's some way of cheating out of something bad happen by using unjust, or questionable means, then it it almost unfair, in a way, to allow yourself the privelage.
Also, on my view of the death penalty, sometimes, be it in murder, or other things, people get what's coming for them. By no means is that always the case, as there are so, so many innocent people who don't deserve what they get.
but when someone hasn't helped themselves whatsoever in a situation, there's sometimes a point where you have to think "well, they deserved that, really" One of my friends is doing one subject at sixth form (american version: high school) and she's behind, so far that she's been threatened with being thrown off the course, has more free periods than not, and complains she's bored during those.
There are others, including myself, who do four, or even five subjects and aren't behind, nor struggling. I have to say, I find that, if she's chucked out of sixth form, she got what she deserved, for an example. So, in SOME accounts, when someone is most certainly a murderer, and perhaps in cases of which the murder is predetermined, the death penalty is a possible conviction, while other situations would have to be more lenient.
The UK has no death penalty, and hasn't for years. I remember having to do an essay on capital punishmet in English three years ago, and the whole class was entirely split on the views. A keen argument that relates greatly to Death Note is that it can be used as a deterrant. It's ruling by fear, but it's effective, and doens't cause problems for those who are law-abiding, or just...not murderers.
One quick question, though. If you killed someone by running them over, is the death penalty a possible punishment? Not asking for opinions, more facts, but wouldn't mide hearing some views.
keepergirl:
--- Quote from: hostghost on December 12, 2006, 09:08:57 am ---Here in Norway we have a maximum sentence for 21 years, this works quite allright for now. Since we don't have serial killers or mass rapists etc. The crime repetition rate for murderers here are almost 0.
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I know that crime is diffrent around the world, and when you actually have repetative criminals there is no problem to lock them up for good. I can't see why you would have to kill them. How many innocent people do you think the american legal system have murdered?
It is so tragic when you read that they find evidence that contradicts a verdict and the person was killed just a few days ago....
Death penalty is contradicting the human rights, and when you take the boy away from he's mother and kills him. Becouse he pulled a trigger? Should one really be able to ruin ones life with such a small decission. Guns are widely available in the US and danger lurks almost every corner, atleast for the less fortunate ones. Should we condemn them for infinity for just a fraction of a second decission?
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First of all, it wouldn't be a fraction of a second, unless you're dealing with underground gun distribution. Legal gun distribution, at least here in NY (my mind is failing me right now and I can't remember whether these guns laws are set by the state or country) require a waiting period before you get your gun. And chances are, if you're dealing with 'black market' firearms, you're probably already involved in a world that can never be good. (Interesting note: I was just doing some reading online, and it appears that Norway's laws regarding gun control are more relaxed than those of the US, and gun ownership there is higher than in the US. So guns are also widely available in Norway, and yet that doesn't seem to affect their crime rates [unless it's bringing them down].)
I also find it amusing that you consider those that kill less fortunate. Personally, I consider the victims to be on the unfortunate side of that exchange.
Essentially, I believe that yes, these criminals should be condemned for their decision. Because it was not only their decision, but their actions. And people need to accept the consequences of their actions. (Which is something that any good school teaches children. I fail to see why children should be held responsible for their actions but adults shouldn't be.)
(Also, I should specify that the people convicted of murder are usually not the "heat-of-the-moment" type people who kill. When I say murderers, these are the people who have planned in advance to kill, and are not bothered by the fact that they just took a human life.)
So, now for some fun statistics regarding crime in the US:
Fifty-three percent of jail inmates were on probation, parole or pretrial release at the time of arrest.
Four in 10 jail inmates had a current or past sentence for a violent offense.
Thirty-nine percent of jail inmates in 2002 had served 3 or more prior sentences to incarceration or probation...
(Stats from 2002, taken from: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm - Bureau of Justice Statistics [US Department of Justice]).
Also, from the 105th Congress Report (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/T?&report=hr157&dbname=105&):
"Much of the problem of violent crime is a result of a relatively small group of chronic violent offenders who repeatedly cycle through our criminal justice system: they get arrested, sometimes convicted, occasionally sent to prison and then they are almost always released early after serving only a fraction of their sentences. Victims are frequently under the impression that a convicted offender will serve his or her sentence in full when in fact, violent criminals--those who murder, rape, rob and assault--serve an average of 48 percent of their sentences."
If you read the footnotes following that, it's even more disgusting:
"Although violent offenders receive an average sentence of almost eight years imprisonment, they actually serve less than four years in prison. Typically, violent criminals are discharged from prison in two years or less, and 76 percent will be back on the street in four years or less."
"Many violent offenders get no prison time at all. On any given day, about 3 convicted offenders were on probation and parole for every 1 convicted offender in prison."
Obviously, repeat offenses are a huge problem here in the US. Particularly in violent crimes. (Another growing problem, by the way, is prison overcrowding. This is one of the reasons why prisoners who have not served their full time are ending up back out on the streets.)
As for your question of how many innocent people have been given the death penalty? I haven't checked out the stats on that, but I don't believe that happens very often. Our appeal system allows many, many, many appeals of the conviction and sentence. As much as the death penalty seems like a big thing to people in countries without, here in NY very few people ever get sentenced to death, and even fewer actually get killed.
(By the way, the repeat offenders thing isn't unique to the US. I was just reading some British facts/ statistics, and it appears they, too, have an issue with repeat offenses, especially for violent crimes.)
Kayryn: No, hitting someone with your car is not considered murder in the first degree (which, as far as I know, is the only murder charge punishable by death). This is why I specified above that the people who I am referring to are not the 'accidently killed a person once' type killers. People who get convicted on a first-degree murder charge are usually cold, hard, uncaring, psychopathic and very intelligent people. The type of people who would look their mother in the eye as they stabbed her repeatedly.
To keep this post from being entirely off-topic: If I happened upon a Death Note, I probably would feel the need to test it out to see if it really works. But that's only if I picked it up. If I saw it lying on the ground, I probably wouldn't even pick it up, figuring that it was just someone's notebook and not anything special.
xjapan:
--- Quote from: keepergirl on December 12, 2006, 07:02:32 pm ---People who get convicted on a first-degree murder charge are usually cold, hard, uncaring, psychopathic and very intelligent people. The type of people who would look their mother in the eye as they stabbed her repeatedly.
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For some reason the first thing that came to my mind when i read that was praying mantises. even though they dont exactly do that to their moms. and eat their mates for survival. but still kinda gross
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