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DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
hostghost:
--- Quote from: keepergirl on December 12, 2006, 07:02:32 pm ---People who get convicted on a first-degree murder charge are usually cold, hard, uncaring, psychopathic and very intelligent people. The type of people who would look their mother in the eye as they stabbed her repeatedly.
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This is just funny..... not.
You are good with facts etc. And prove valid points but I can't see how death penalty helps recurring crimes. To get the death penalty you would have had to do something so severe that if one would not have death penalty you would be in jail probably for all your life or until you are old. So Death penalty really don't do anything about recurring of crime, since the recurring criminals don't commit that severe crimes.
And overpopulation is a problem yes, we have it here too, the cops keep arresting drug addicts and filling the prisons up... Like they do over there as well. Also when the government can spend millions of dollars keeping a top security prison for only a few selected prisoners in Guantanamo they should be able to build more prisons.
About the split second thing, It's the decision of pulling the trigger that takes a second and not buying the gun! And you read that gun laws here are more liberal, no they are not. You actually have to have a hunters license to carry a rifle, and the fact that 95% of all guns are for hunting makes a lot of diffrence.
keepergirl:
It wasn't meant to be funny. I was completely serious when I wrote that. The type of people who are sentenced to the death penalty here are those types of people- the ones who see no value in anyone's life.
Regarding the death penalty and recurring crimes, I personally feel the death penalty is not used often enough. At least not here in NY (I know in Texas they do make more use out of it, although I'm not sure of statistics there). In my mind, the death penalty accomplishes a few things:
1. If people fear the death penalty, they may avoid committing the crime (which wouldn't really help with the type of people described above, because most of them don't even think of consequences, but it may help some others hold themselves back from committing the crime).
2. If the death penalty gets used, it frees up room in prisons and lessens the cost for taxpayers, who won't have to provide that criminal with food and shelter for the rest of his life.
3. It often eases the burden on the victim's loved ones to know that the criminal who stole the victim's life lost his own as a consequence.
4. It properly punishes the criminal for his crime, in my opinion.
5. It ensures that the criminal will NEVER be on the streets again. This is the most important point, in my mind, because you'd be surprised to see some of the criminals that manage to get back out into civilization, whether it be through escaping, mistakes in paperwork, or actual, legit release.
With building more prisons, the problem isn't just money to build it. It's also money to keep it running, provide staff, provide food to criminals, etc. Also, there are space issues. The places that need the prisons are the same places that have no room for more prisons.
My point with the fraction of a second thing is that it requires forethought and intent. Planning, in other words. That's not just a split second thing- that's a major difference. In the time that it takes to plan, that criminal did not stop and think about the morals and consequences of the act. So yes, s/he should be punished accordingly. Failure to think about consequences is NOT an excuse.
(Regarding Norway's gun laws, I do believe you. Upon further reading I'm seeing contradictory information, so I'm still researching it. Finding info about Norway is rather difficult- almost everything is either the US or Britain. :P)
(Oh, I should add: the majority of guns that are used to harm or kill others in the US are illegally owned. They are smuggled in usually from other areas and distributed illegally. Many of the types of guns are not even legal at all in the US. So stricter gun control laws don't even seem to help, because they affect only legal channels of distribution, while the criminals generally don't use legal means. Just thought I'd add that for clarification- I'm not trying to start a gun control debate here.)
kayryn:
In the UK, gun crimes are almost unknown. Over this summer, a police officer was shot when pursuing some criminals, and it made the front page, as it was such an infrequent event. I don't know about murder rates here, but I know that guns aren't what cause murders that do happen here.
However, we also don't have the death penalty. Maybe, in countries where it applies, the severity of punishment is proportional to the access to the ability to murder? If that makes sense?
hostghost:
--- Quote from: kayryn on December 13, 2006, 01:10:35 am ---In the UK, gun crimes are almost unknown. Over this summer, a police officer was shot when pursuing some criminals, and it made the front page, as it was such an infrequent event. I don't know about murder rates here, but I know that guns aren't what cause murders that do happen here.
However, we also don't have the death penalty. Maybe, in countries where it applies, the severity of punishment is proportional to the access to the ability to murder? If that makes sense?
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It makes a lot of sense.
I see that keepergirl and I come from completely diffrent places here, when you list reasons for the death penalty I only see reasons why not to have it. And the last point is quite intresting, all though completely nonsense. The main point after catching criminals is to get them back into civilization. If you look at murdercases, how many murderes actually commit another one? A tiny persentage, and they are mostly part of organized crime. Which i said earlier is something to strike hard down on.
Anyway, I think most of your points are based on ignorance, no matter how much facts you cough up. I don't think I will ever understand the death penalty, even if someone would rape my girlfriend I would not want to see them dead. Better with a lifetime of regret than a few years of martyrdom.
This has gotten quite off topic so I will let this be for now. We could talk more on IRC if you want ;)
xjapan:
--- Quote from: hostghost on December 13, 2006, 12:37:51 pm ---This has gotten quite off topic so I will let this be for now. We could talk more on IRC if you want
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T_T i know its the wrong forums to post this. but i keep getting autokilled at enterthegame. but i seem to be able to join other servers ~
As for gun crimes. the city of singapore does not permit gun ownership. after all we,re but a tiny red dot on the map. i,ve seen some murders in the papers but their mostly bandits who prey on people who are travelling to malaysia on the causeway
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