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Chapel:
looking forward to the next two.
lifesaver:
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And if we give you all a release date, and then miss it... what then, huh?
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how about just an update on where its at? like how far along you guys are with 5 and 6. no release date need to be given
and about this japanese artists singing english in their songs. maybe it's meant to make sense, maybe it's not, maybe it's meant to be sung the way they did, or maybe it's because they are lazy to hire someone to teach them how to say it properly. it is still THEIR music, i dont see why people are just making assumptions on why the words are there where it is or why they sing it the way they do. if you really care about it that much, shoot, write a threatening email to the artist or something.
and personally i think most engrish happen because they just translate the original language literally, and for whatever reason, they dont make it gramatically correct. maybe they are lazy, or maybe they just dont give 2 ****s about it.
lifesaver:
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You are saying that Japanese and english are different. I agree with that.
But when you're a professional with plenty of cash and refuses to hire a translator, instead choosing to emit funny sounds, that's just silly.
Some Japanese singers aim for excellence, others choose to wallow in mediocrity.
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how do you know that they REFUSE to hire a translator? do u know this artist personally? and excellence could mean many different things to different people. maybe they'd rather spend their time on writing better lyrics, maybe they'd rather spend more time on composing better music, why do they have to care about one little english word that they happen to use in their song. it doesn't hurt the song, unless i guess you are one of those people who just likes to nitpick everything they see/hear. in that case, please by all means, write your own songs (or pay people to write them for you) and sing them yourself with the right pronouciation.
Bukkake-Kun:
--- Quote ---How do you know that they REFUSE to hire a translator?
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The pronounciation would not be way off if they did. And the english lyrics can be ridden with mistakes, even on paper.
--- Quote ---do u know this artist personally? and excellence could mean many different things to different people.
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To me, it just means that if you are using foreign words, use them in the right context and pronounce them correctly.
--- Quote ---maybe they'd rather spend their time on writing better lyrics, maybe they'd rather spend more time on composing better music, why do they have to care about one little english word that they happen to use in their song.
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There is usually more than 1 english word, sometimes they even make up the whole song. Sure, they can choose not to care if they want to, but then the end result just sounds silly.
--- Quote ---it is still THEIR music, i dont see why people are just making assumptions on why the words are there where it is or why they sing it the way they do. if you really care about it that much, shoot, write a threatening email to the artist or something.
and personally i think most engrish happen because they just translate the original language literally, and for whatever reason, they dont make it gramatically correct.
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That's why a translator would be useful.
--- Quote ---and about this japanese artists singing english in their songs. maybe it's meant to make sense, maybe it's not,
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I would agree with the latter.
--- Quote ---maybe it's meant to be sung the way they did, or maybe it's because they are lazy to hire someone to teach them how to say it properly.
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I agree.
--- Quote --- in that case, please by all means, write your own songs (or pay people to write them for you) and sing them yourself with the right pronouciation.
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My point all along was that it is silly to sing words that you can't pronounce correctly, why would I do that myself?
It's not like there is no remedy for their poor grasp of english. They could learn English and concentrate on singing in a language they excel at (Japanese) in the meantime. There are J artists that are good at both english and their native tongue. Or, do like Hack Sign who chose a western performer to sing most of their english songs.
--- Quote ---it doesn't hurt the song, unless i guess you are one of those people who just likes to nitpick everything they see/hear.
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I praise what I think is well done and criticize the opposite.
lifesaver:
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The pronounciation would not be way off if they did. And the english lyrics can be ridden with mistakes, even on paper.
of course, you are assuming that they didnt
To me, it just means that if you are using foreign words, use them in the right context and pronounce them correctly.
exactly, but excellence might mean differently to them. so this is a pointless argument.
There is usually more than 1 english word, sometimes they even make up the whole song. Sure, they can choose not to care if they want to, but then the end result just sounds silly.
dont take everything i said literally, when i said one word, i meant that it takes up only a fraction of the song.
That's why a translator would be useful.
i was directing that at the screenshots of games that i saw on engrish.com. those games were pretty old, im not sure if japanese games nowadays still do that.
I would agree with the latter.
of course, you are assuming again that the latter is correct.
I agree.
same as above.
My point all along was that it is silly to sing words that you can't pronounce correctly, why would I do that myself?
my point was for you to sing an english song with proper pronounciation yourself. then you could sit back and listen to THAT instead of japanese artists singing english word with wrong pronounciation.
It's not like there is no remedy for their poor grasp of english. They could learn English and concentrate on singing in a language they excel at (Japanese) in the meantime. There are J artists that are good at both english and their native tongue. Or, do like Hack Sign who chose a western performer to sing most of their english songs.
why should they limit themselves to one language? just because u happen to not like the way they sing their songs?
I praise what I think is well done and criticize the opposite.
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so u dont think anything of the song is well done? cause all i've seen you do is criticize. personally i think no one should criticize someone else unless they can do it better. (in this case, singing japanese songs with english words in them, and not just pronounciation)
all in all, i think this argument is and will go nowhere because there are too many assumptions made. we could argue all day and still be saying the same thing cause we've already assumed what we dont know.
well that quote thing didn't go too well, but at least it's still readable.
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