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Supra_Saiyan:
--- Quote from: angelan on June 30, 2005, 03:37:50 pm ---okay i felt the need to step in. Dispite my taking a break from the QC team at live evil (i now work 8 hours a day, drive 3 hours, sleep 8 hours) Adding it up, it doesn't leave me very much time when my parents would also appreciate the fact that I spend SOME time with them.
That was just an example of how my life, cut short my time to help L-E.
When push comes to shove, each member of L-E has a life outside of fan subbing. We do not book off ourselves to do Initial D or any other "high profile" show. If it so happens that all of us happened to have computer failures, or "happen" to have exams around the same time. Please. Don't complain that it took us 1 month for one release, and 1 week for another. If we felt like pulling together, stay up late, and decide to try and truck out ID4 in time for new years, it's a bonus to us, when fans are happily surprised to find ID4 subbed in time for new years (or was it Christmas, i don't remember).
The "warning to hold" a series is not new. For those of you who have been around, you'd know that. And you'd also know that this is not normally the case. People at L-E may be ready to pounce on me as I say this, but most of the time it's scare tactic. It's also a way to get noobs off our back. If you visit our channel regularly, you would see that we actually have an unofficial noob sweep team. We might as well name them that. How often have you heard our reasons for the delay as: computer failure on the encoder's side, lost of the translation file due to other computer failures, etc, etc. Noobs could care less about these reasons (many of these reasons have been the real reasons for previous releases of ID4). Because the often sarcastic tone of "we'll hold the release" will be enough to calm noobs down, we kept using it. However, I guess our ID "fans" can no longer be scared. It's sad really for this to finally blow up like it has for the last two episodes of this stage. Remember people. The team has been dealing with this now for OVER a year. To call them IDtards is a label....just like noob, or narutard.
Also, note that Live-Evil doesn't JUST do releases for ID4. They have other releases that have been waiting longer than a month to get out. Do you not think that it's only fair to queue those out as well, rather than always giving ID4 priority? Like Gumb said, Sailor moon has been worked on for 8 months!!! Dispite not liking live-action or sailor moon much, we work on it anyway. We're not in it for the business aspect of it all. We don't have a download quota to meet each month, most of the time we also don't prioritize a series by it's popularity in the market.
Once again, we suggest that you go out and get other versions of subs. Over the year and a half that this series has been chugging out, many other fan subs HAVE put out subs for ID4 as well. If you really NEED to get the stuff NOW...go look them up. None of us will blame you or ban you from downloading our stuff. We can't get it out before they do, that's our problem. We lose "market share" that's our fault. Is it our obligation to meet a deadline set by fans? no. Theres a reason why ID4 is released in japan every 2 months, so why can't we be cut some slack for doing fan subs in a month? Jus because other people do it quicker, doesn't mean we must conform.
Just think about some of these things. Give us new ideas to turn noobs away next time they ask us. Draw up a top 100 effective things to do when noobs ask when the next release is, whatever you want.
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despite ;)
It seems we sort of do have a "monopoly"
Morphic8:
I didn't mean for my post to start an uproar. But I do agree with what Angelan said. And I wasn't originally going against that. Believe me, i know those things can happen...i have one vid file on my computer, that works fine on my roomates, but crashes mine if i try to open it. Wierd things happen. Files become corrupt. It's just how it is. But instead of saying, n00bs are pissing us off, we're delaying it, say, we're having some technical difficulties, bear with us, or we all have exams right now. I also know how that is. There are was of explaining is so that people will not ask a million questions, or cover up 2 and half pages ranting about why not to delay something. I don't consider myself old at all (21)...but I do feel that sometimes, i am lightyears ahead in maturity with alot of the people in this community. I deal with getting a quality product to customers everyday, and if there is a delay, the profressional thing to do, is to tell them. I work in a printshop, and printers and computers do not always agree, so there are alot of techincal problems that i run into. but you just have to face it, and say i'm workin on it. I have nothing against the L-E team, or their work. Most of what i've been talking about, isn't always about them, it's really a generalization of how things seem to run with fan-subbing groups.
now on that note, i think we should just end this topic, and really go back to the topic at hand, which is the show itself
gumbaloom:
--- Quote from: Entropicity on June 30, 2005, 02:57:25 pm ---Hi there
I've been lurking in these forums for a long time.
However the events of the past few days has made me decide to post my view on the intentional delay issue.
First of all, thank you LE and IDE for the excellent fansubs! I throughly enjoy them, even the Karaoke style opening and closing :D
However, I think all these threats about delaying the subs from coming out are nonsensical and uncalled for. Just because some noob logs on for the first time and asks for the episodes isnt cause to punish the entire fansub community by delaying the subs.
Many of us are not kids, and we need not be treated like so. What does delaying subs do? It simply shows that pride is beginning to surface amongst some of the LE people. Just by making fansubs that people enjoy doesnt make you their Lord and Ruler. I understand you may be frustrated that some people do not understand the time and effort needed to produce such excellent fansubs however this doesnt give you the power to threaten a delay.
I find it disheartening that some people have stooped to almost bootlicking proportions to placate LE and sooth LE's anger at noobs who demand subs. LE are not your gods, if LE wasnt doing subs, someone else would be.
LE please do not fall into the trap that is called pride. While we respect your abilities to turn out great fansubs, many of us also notice a certain proudness growing from within. By all means take the time you need to churn out the fansubs but do not judge or punish those who do not recognize the effort needed. Continuously threatening delays only reinforces the impression of arrogance on your part. So just bring on the fansubs at your own time and ignore the unreasonable demands of noobs, they are this way because they enjoy your fansubs too but are not tactful in their haste to get more of the good stuff from LE.
Just remember, LE is only as big as the fans. Without people who download your fansubs, you are nothing.
Thanks for reading my rant. Once again thanks for the fansubs.
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You're missing the point here a little....
A lot of the L-E staff have their computers connected to IRC 24 hours a day 7 days a week. IRC is our primary means of communication and getting the job done. My computer has not been restarted now for 1 week and 5 days. At least for me when I'm fansubbing I normally have mirc open and sub station alpha and I'm constantly switching between the 2. I spend half an hour timing then talk to people for half an hour and answer any pm's I've got.
When I switch back to mirc and the first thing I see is "When is ID4 gonna be out" or some variant it is downright irritating especially when I myself tried to stem the flow of the incessant questions by posting to the L-E home page, earlier in this thread and on IDForums saying words to the effect of "it will take at LEAST a week but possibly longer". However people have chosen to ignore that and warnings in the topic.
Which would you rather us be doing with our free time...fansubbing or answering the same question over and over again.
Let me give you another example..lets say you got a painter in to decorate one of your rooms. Would you be going to him every few minutes asking him when he's gonna be finished? No you wouldn't out of courtesy to him, you'd just leave him to it and let him get on with the job.
We might just be nicks in an IRC channel to you but we're real people heck I've just been at work all day and am sat here typing this post instead of getting on with more important things like timing an ep of a new show that L-E will be doing.
It's dead simple - STOP BUGGING US ABOUT RELEASE DATES!!!. and there wouldnt be a problem.
All that incessant questioning does is
1) Mean we spend less time doing the actual job we're here to do
2) Irritates us because we're answering the same question over and over again.
We're not evil, we're not trying to be sadistic we're just fed up with being bugged all the time. You know ID4 is the ONLY project where we have people bugging us about release dates. Perhaps you should take pity on Cha Cha fans. They've been waiting for the 3rd and final ep of the OVA for nearly a year now. You only have to wait a few weeks.
Ok heres some hard facts for you.
ID4 ep 15 - The subbing of this ep is pretty far advanced and MIGHT be released soon. However I will NOT say when because I'm not involved in the project.
ID4 ep 16 - This ep hasn't been translated yet.
Now before you all kick off, its because the translator has got real life issues to deal with + work for other projects to deal with. It will be translated when he's got time.
Now I know a certain percentage of the ID fans reading this will say ok cool real life comes first but I know for a fact and as has been demonstrated a certain percentage of the ID fan population will take the view of "why hasn't it been translated ZOMG I NEED MY ID" and think that we should a) force the translator to translate it at virtual gun point b) think we should get another translator or c) think we should use someone elses script. We will resort to none of these solutions and wait till the guy has had time to do translate it.
Now I hope that this bit of information will calm down the whiners and I hope that it will be read in a responsible way. I will also give my personal assurance that anyone who uses the information in an irresponsible way and decides to come and argue the point like "is ep 15 finished yet" or "is ep 16 translated yet" will be kicked and banned so fast you won't know whats hit you. Take this little status update at face value and just wait for the eps to be finished ok?
Regards
gumbaloom
L-E Staffer
nope-mx3:
gumbaloon: very good!
Maybe people will get the point if they suddenly looses the right to post here.
It should be a privilege, not a right imho.
That said, I`m used to waiting for shows, and ID4 is definetely worth waiting for.
In my opinion, I think it wouldnt be half as "fun" if the episodes were released every week or something.
By airing two episodes every two months, we can let the excitement build, and think about how things might work out, and when it`s out, its that more interesting to watch.
Now I only hope they`ll air the Movie in Europe (but I doubt it).
nope-mx3
debchan:
--- Quote from: Morphic8 on June 30, 2005, 06:36:38 pm ---I deal with getting a quality product to customers everyday, and if there is a delay, the profressional thing to do, is to tell them. I work in a printshop, and printers and computers do not always agree, so there are alot of techincal problems that i run into. but you just have to face it, and say i'm workin on it. I have nothing against the L-E team, or their work. Most of what i've been talking about, isn't always about them, it's really a generalization of how things seem to run with fan-subbing groups.
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The difference here is that your company is selling something. When people pay for a product, there are certain expectations they have, such as the product will be of a certain quality and it will be in available upon demand.
However, L-E is not being paid for anything. The "product" is free of charge. They have no obligations to meet "customer" expectations and/or demands.
I don't know why people have such a hard time recognizing this. Fansub groups don't owe anyone anything, no, not even a time frame for releases.
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