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Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2004, 03:20:29 am »
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I was wondering if you guys are gonna release the DVD-subbed versions as well or just the ones from TV?

This is something we haven't given any thought to yet.

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Anyways I just noticed an error in episode 2 when the new character (Daiki) appears at the end of the episode... He is on his cell phone talking to a former member of his racing school (Toudou Juuku) and refers to him as Tomo-san, not father as is the case in the sub... I don't mean to rag or anything... Just thought I'd point it out...


Hmm... I just checked on that and it looks like you're right. Thanks for letting us know.

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With the errors in the episodes are you guys thinking of releasing fixed versions much like some other groups do?

I don't think so. I sort of think that v2's are more trouble than they're worth. Mistakes happen, but there's no sense in fracturing the episode over some corrections. The fewer versions of an episode there are floating around the internet, the better, in my opinion. If we re-released our episodes using DVD raws in the future, though, that'd be a prime time for any corrections to take place.

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There's one last comment I have, you reveresed the names in the fansubs, to make them like "surname" then "familyname" like it is in european cultures, however asians always put family name first.  It wasn't a big deal, but it did bug me more than the car terms.

That was a conscious decision on our part.

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BUT... in episode 2  of fourth stage, Keisuke's FD3S RX-7 goes against a R34 Skyline GT-R (you can tell by the taillights).  The R34 did not come out till '99.

Actually, Keisuke says in episode 2 that while he at first THOUGHT that it was a GT-R, he was pleasantly surprised to find that it was a GT Turbo (which is an FR car.) No idea when those were made, though, so I can't help you with your timeline question.

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Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2004, 04:42:49 am »
Ok Skyline Gt-turbo is still a '99 model, it is like you said, FR, with the same engine, less one turbo.

Also, I think that I have identified Bunta's car from the intro.  It's a WRX STI, but no normal STI to be sure.

It's a 1998.3 WRX 22B STI Coupe 2-door.  Only 400 were ever made, they sold out in 48 hours.

More info from j-garage.com:
http://www.j-garage.com/4110.htm

<img border="0" src="http://www.j-garage.com/subaru/wrx/4-2.gif">

http://www.j-garage.com/subaru/wrx/4-2.gif


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Actually, Keisuke says in episode 2 that while he at first THOUGHT that it was a GT-R, he was pleasantly surprised to find that it was a GT Turbo (which is an FR car.) No idea when those were made, though, so I can't help you with your timeline question.


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Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2004, 05:15:04 am »
From Initial D Arcade Stage, Bunta's car is a Impreza WRX Type R STI Version V (GC8V)

http://www.hitmaker.co.jp/game/INITIALD/ac_ver03/car05.html
« Last Edit: April 25, 2004, 05:15:22 am by ragnarrok »

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Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2004, 07:08:12 am »
ragnarrok is correct about Bunta's car in the game. I'd imagine that it's the same car for the series as well... I'm sure someone who's read the manga can confirm this.

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Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2004, 07:19:37 pm »
I enjoyed watching ep1.  Just a few comments, I'm sure a lot of the technical specifics will go over the head of a lot of the people who watch these eps.  It's nice if it's correct, but if things are a touch hazy it certainly won't kill my enjoyment.  Everything else seemed rather nice, the main ep font could have been a little larger if I were to nitpick.


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Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2004, 08:17:35 pm »
THANK YOU VERY MUCH

Hello...first of all i have a the about the guy wanting to change that hachi-roku to just sayin hachi roku.  Please don't that would be so gay.  It's 86 in all the fansubs out for initial d 1st 2nd 3rd stages.

AND YOU ARE AWESOME.  Thank you for the timely release of the episodes.  Keep up the good work.  You don't need to change a frilling thing.  It's all good, my expectations was met and surpased.  And if I send you a compliment take it your doing something very right.

Couldn't be better.  

Don't change a thing....keep up the good work.
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Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2004, 08:10:25 am »
excellent work. Easily one of the best animes I've ever watched.
The subtitling work is better than any professional work I've ever seen.
The font was perfect, the timing was spot on. Excellent work!

As for Bunta's Subaru... it is a Impreza WRX Coupe STi Version VI Type R (GC8G2FD) which came out in 1999.

thats one long ass name... but its the correct name.

However, I have heard the car in the manga was a 22B...

I need to see a good shot of the front of the car in the manga to be 100% sure though

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Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2004, 08:14:20 am »
minor differences between the Version 5 and 6:

Version 5


Version 6
slightly deeper front valence on the Version 6.

« Last Edit: April 27, 2004, 08:14:36 am by Chapel »

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Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2004, 09:50:17 am »
did some more research


Its a Version 6 with an 22B bumper and wing.
it almost looks like it has a 22B fenderset, but it does NOT have a 22B hood and its grey (not offered in the 22B)

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Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2004, 02:58:39 am »
First off you guys are my favorite group, and thanks for doing such a nice job on this show, and many others.

I have anouther nitpicky comment about the description of the engine in the roadster, that had me wondering if the translation was absolutely correct.

The MX-5 started out with a b6, 1.6l and later became available with a 1.8l bp engine.  although the engines are nearly identical, the block castings are diferent with diferent bore spacing.  I beleve it is imposible to bore out a b6 to 1.8l displacement.  So my question is did they actualy say "bore out" or something else?  Because the natural way to make a 1.6 miata into a 1.8 miata would be to swap out the b6 for a bp.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my silly question.  I would not be at all suprised if the discrepancy is with the original writers rather than you guys, since this is such an obscure thing.

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« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2004, 07:17:06 am »
B6 and BP are the same basic engine
both the 1.6 and 1.8 DOHC have the same 221.5mm block deck height and 134mm head height.

you can actually take a BP bottom end (block, pistons, crank, etc...) and put it on a B6 head.
This is commonly refered to as a 'bore out' even though you are just doing a short block swap.

I know alot of guys that do that with their Eunos Roadsters. You can get the 1.8L BP block from a variety of cars (90-98 Protege, 91-96 Ford Escort GT, 94+ Miata, 91-96 Mercury Tracer LTS, 94-97 Kia Sephia GS)

Most guy I know get them out of BP equipped Proteges though.

Rather than bore the hell out of alot of people here, just read this

You know the best swap I've seen. My boy Cam took his B3 engined (1.3L) Ford Festiva and transplanted a B6-T engine from a 323 GT into it :)

Festiva with rims?


Surprise! B6T!

I heard the NEW owner transplanted the full 323 GT-R driveline into that Festiva though... AWD Turbo 1.8!

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Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2004, 07:42:03 am »
Chapel, I am already familure with that site.  Here are a couple of quotes from the page you link to.

"The 1.6 liter version has as large a bore as the block can accommodate and cannot really have it's displacement increased much more, in fact, enlarging the bore beyond +1mm is not advised."

and

"the 1.8 is really just a stretched 1.6...has a longer bore spacing to accommodate the larger 83mm pistons."

Note that bore spacing refers to the distance between centers, not the size of the bore.

This proves my point, you can't get 1.8l out of a bp block, at least not with out building a stroker.  The heads are not interchangable.

BTW: I love that Festiva!

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Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2004, 06:24:18 pm »
so, when they are doing the 'short block swap' they are using the BP head?
I know guys who have done the 'short block swap' but I always assumed it was just the bottom end. When I did a short block swap to my Rabbit, I just swapped the old 1.8L bottom for the 2.0L bottom out of an Audi.
and the 'short block swap' for my BMW is just the bottom end from a 2.8L

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Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2004, 09:48:30 pm »
well, I hate that I am turning this into so much of an engine building discussion, but I guess I need to explain.

You can interchange bottom ends on a lot of engines.  I have a BMW M20 mill myself so I know you can do that one.  In that case, BMW increased the displacement from 2.5 to 2.7 by lengthening the stroke, it was not necesary to change the block casting.  Also, if there is enough thickness to the cylinder walls in the original design you really can bore an engine out for a substantail bump in displacement.

Conversions like this are posible with lots of engines from Honda, BMW, VW, Toyota, Nissan, Volvo, Ford...and even Mazda, its just that it doesn't work with the B6.

With the B6 the stroke was already quite long, and the cylinder walls too thin to simply increase bore.  So Mazda chose to cast a whole diferent block with more space betwen the bores.

Anyone who tells you that they are going to put a b6 cylinder head on a bp is full of it.

Miata owners, at least here in the US, always swap the entire engine--call it what you will.

All this complexity is why I wanted to ask about the translation.

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Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2004, 12:58:56 am »
more an issue with the series writers than the translation probably.
it probably translated into boring it out, even though thats not possible. I could bring F&F into the equation :D

hey, if you've got a BMW, head over to http://www.mwerks.com

Its a BMW site I help run. I'm the BMW Technical Supervisor there.