Topic: Initial D 4th Stage comments... - Archive Topic (Locked)

[krazykunt]

the 22B STi is a 2.2L not a 2.5L... why dont u have another guess ...?

And with american imports, stop pulling shit out of ur ass again..
you cant even get a jap import through customs to crash it.
the only way ur gettin one is if its already affixed with an american compliance plate or an american emissions tag and most jap cars wouldnt have one.
The method your thinkin of is illegal, otherwise known as "rebirthing". it involves crashing an american built car with american chassis and vin numbers (if your clever you find a wrecked one with a clean title to salvage the numbers) eg. a 3rd gen LS integra. u then import a complete car of the same chassis seemingly for parts eg. a jap spec DC2 integra type R. then u affix the "data" ie. vin, chassis numbers from the local to the import. thus driving around a j-spec DC2R registered as an american LS integra.
Cant use this method for any gen GTR as no american locally sold cars share the same chassis.
U must of heard of this method somewhere, tried to reproduced what you heard and it just came out all wrong didnt it? coz i sure culdnt make any sense of what u said.. ur OWNING yourself.

how bout the Mitsubishi eclipse? im sure your well aquianted with that car regardless of what you say.

[_v0rani]

Chai, there's no shame to use a atlas. it's spelt Australia.

[Vryel]

Guys, please: don't forget this is a fansub forum.

Let's put a stop to this whole mess (2 pages of OT, and not very respectful).

Yeah, I know, someone said something not very nice about someone else. So there's no need to be nice to the first "someone", answering to his provocation. Period.

[Supra_Saiyan]

chAi = (you never had any credibility to lose it) you have just OWNED yourself.

How funny is that smiley?  BUAHAHAHA

[Usagi_Yojimbo]

Damn a lot people talking out there asses, The NEWEST USDM STI is 2.5L they were originally 2.0L Second to comment on whoever told me to STFU, suck it poser. I have in fact driven and owned a Civic , I had a 95 HB: b18c5 swap, GSR Suspension, LS tranny, it was decent, but it was also FWD and only about 190 HP. Imprezas do in fact own all, on the street, on the track, rally, even on the strip but that's not saying much, drag racing is for pussy's, quarter mile at a time, please. and lastly when did this turn into a god damn flame-a-thon, it's supposed to be about fucking cartoon and how we (commonly) enjoy it.

[krazykunt]

LOL
Usagi_Yojimbo: Bunta is NOT an american u dipshit nor does he drive the latest model STi. man... you yanks arent very intelligent.

Big claim there. 190whp from a standard B18C5?
pretty complete whack setup with a non-vtec gearbox and standard sussy setup from a heavier car.
If you did really own the car you describe, you would have did the swap yourself?
Which engine harness, ecu, injector wires, o2, knock, IAB sensors, dizzy, injectors, alternator did u use?
And engine mounts, need to change any? or did u use all the standard civic ones?

also, let me be the second to tell you to STFU.. for being a blowass kunt.

[Dapprman]

FFS - this is meant to be a forum for discussion about the anime Initial D, based on the Manga Initial D, based on the arcade game Initial D.

Also there's a huge amount of cr*p here. - I'm not a scooby fan, they are tractors, but at least I know what they are.  With the exception of the latest US model, ALL (note the capitals) the high performance turbo engined Subaru Imprezzas (be it turbo, WRX, sti, 22B,) have a 2.0 litre boxer engine.  ALL of them.
In the US, due to the yanks not liking 'small engines', the latest version got the 2.5 litre turbo engine from the Subaru Forrester instead.

Now can we please get down to discussing the anime and stop insulting each other or talking utter rubbish.

[Just_J]

Damn a lot people talking out there asses, The NEWEST USDM STI is 2.5L they were originally 2.0L

The irony here, oh man.

The USDM STi was ALWAYS 2.5L. Lucky us, we're the only country to get that engine. (Well, it's offered in other cars in other countries, and there is a company that will cram it into over seas Imprezas, but we're the only country where Subaru offers it off the lot in the Impreza.)

Imprezas do in fact own all, on the street, on the track, rally, even on the strip but that's not saying much,

No they don't, and please, you don't know wtf you're saying. The Impreza SUCKS for Drag Racing and track days, because it's great for autocross and rally. It's gearing is SHORT, my RS runs at about 4K at 70MPH. Fuel cut in top gear is about 135mph. Not to mention it takes 2 shifts to hit 60 (2nd gear barely get's into the 50s), and 3 for most drag strip runs (I think 3rd runs out in the high 70s). It has awesome short distance times, because that's how it's designed. Get back up to speed in a hurry, even if that speed is low.

Let's not forget the driveline drag from the AWD. Not to mention the horrid aerodynamics. Neither help at high speeds.

Of course, if you weren't talking out of your ass, you'd know this.

drag racing is for pussy's, quarter mile at a time, please. and lastly when did this turn into a god damn flame-a-thon, it's supposed to be about fucking cartoon and how we (commonly) enjoy it.

Jesus, why do these import fanboys have to Bash drag racing like it's simple.

My best when my Impreza (one Z people!) was turbo'd was 13.81, and I averaged low-mid 14s. It's HARD to properly launch an Impreza, STi or not. Too high and you get wheelspin, too low, and you BOG. Not to mention nailing the shifts while keeping the revs in the proper range, without grenading your tranny (or even launching without lunching first). Don't get me started on trying to drag a FWD car (suck for drag racing) or RWD (good drivers on drag radials can hit 1.6s 60' times, which is nuts, most just spin till they're sideways) I have a vid of me racing a Lightning, I win, but what you don't see is him going damn near sideways on the launch. His truck is 12 second capable, easy.

Drag racing is one of the BEST ways to master your launch technique, and master your shift timing. You don't have to worry about skidding off the track, plus since the surface is so abrasive, it's not as forgiving (read, less wheel slip) than the street.

Let's not forget the skill it takes to properly launch a high power RWD car, not to mention keeping it straight. Did you know that most rail cars, and funny cars usually spin their wheels the whole way down the track? Yea, one little screw up, and they're going home in an Medivac.

If you took the time to actually Drag race on a track, instead of street racing, or rice talking, you might know what you're talking about.

Anyway, back to your regulary scheduled flaming.

-J (Bonifide car nut)

[Just_J]

Also there's a huge amount of cr*p here. - I'm not a scooby fan, they are tractors, but at least I know what they are.  With the exception of the latest US model, ALL (note the capitals) the high performance turbo engined Subaru Imprezzas (be it turbo, WRX, sti, 22B,) have a 2.0 litre boxer engine.  ALL of them.
In the US, due to the yanks not liking 'small engines', the latest version got the 2.5 litre turbo engine from the Subaru Forrester instead.

#1) The 22b has a 2.2L engine. Look it up.

#2) 1 Z, 1 R

#3) The 2.5L Turbo motor was in the STi first, not the Forester. It's not the "Small engine", it's the "Subaru wanted a way to get loads of power and torque out of the engine without compromising reliability, and pleasing the American taste for low end power". Oh, and it's completley new.

[icecold]

also as being americans we aren't as lucky as some other countries.
take australia for example. if my memory serves me correct most of the cars that they can import from japan tend to be smaller cars and have smaller engines than the ones in the US yet they are tuned to produce around the same power giving it a better power to weight ratio then ours. also it is actually legal to drive a street illegal car in the US only as long as you are driving it to the track or strip and back.
just my two cents.
p.s. if you want a fast drag car how is a 1969 firebird with a 540ci big block engine that runs 1/4 miles in 7.0s

^^^^
had to say something about your post about americans wanting a lot of low end power.....A turbo doesnt give you the low end power of a na engine so what im really saying is that the sti wouldnt have a shit load of low end power.

[Dapprman]

The 22b has a 2.2L engine. Look it up.

#2) 1 Z, 1 R

#3) The 2.5L Turbo motor was in the STi first, not the Forester. It's not the "Small engine", it's the "Subaru wanted a way to get loads of power and torque out of the engine without compromising reliability, and pleasing the American taste for low end power". Oh, and it's completley new.

You show quotes from REAL subaru sites.
The 22B was a limited edition model with a short ratio gear box and blue print engine to celebrate Richard Burns winning the WRC championship in a subaru imprezza turbo, entrant number 22.
The 2.5 litre engine was not new for the US market and it is not in the STi.  I only said I believed it was from the forrester, not that it defiantely was.  It was not a new engine though and is not used else where in the imprezza range (US excluding in this quote).  The tax break has nothing to do with it (not even sure if you can get the WRX based model in Italy where this is the case), it's down to WRC capacity rules.

(modifications were to get the quote function working).

[Just_J]

You show quotes from REAL subaru sites.
The 22B was a limited edition model with a short ratio gear box and blue print engine to celebrate Richard Burns winning the WRC championship in a subaru imprezza turbo, entrant number 22.

Wrong, it was built with a 2.2l stroked EJ20, modified gear box, DCCD, expanded track, special "Tarmac" suspension, lighter wheels, a body kit almost identical to the WRC car's (right up to the adjustable carbon fibre rear spoiler), which was designed by the guy who designed the McLaren F1, and some other goodies.

It was built to celebrate Subaru winning 3 WRC titles in a row (many years before Burns won his first) and was named 22b to commemorate their main sponser, BAT/555. 22b is hexadecimal for 555.

Sounds like you're thinking of the RB5, which was built to commemorate Burn's WRC championship. The RB5 was built by Prodrive, and is NOT the same as the 22b.

22b:

Info on the 22b, note the Displacement:
http://www.live2cruize.com/impreza_22b.htm

The 2.5 litre engine was not new for the US market and it is not in the STi.  I only said I believed it was from the forrester, not that it defiantely was.  It was not a new engine though and is not used else where in the imprezza range (US excluding in this quote).

Wrong again. The 2.5L STi engine was SPECIFICALLY designed for the USDM market Impreza STi. The only other 2.5L engine Subaru uses is a bored version of the EJ20, that was in the Forester, and in the US it was in the Impreza RS (which I personally own), Forester, Outback, and Legacy. However, the 2.5L in MY car and the Forester, is NOT the same as the engine in the USDM STi (the only thing they share is rounded displacement, and the external shape pretty much). The engine in the Forester XT (Turbo Forester) is simillar to the STi 2.5L block, but it highly detuned.

[Usagi_Yojimbo]

Krazykunt, no I didn't install it myself, so no  I don't know  all the blablabla about it, I bought it with the b18c5 in there honda's are so commonplace it's to find a civic that isn't modified, and 190hp isn't bad for a 2400 lb car. Now the USDM STI was not always 2.5 litre only the newst Generation, all the new USDM STI are 2.5l but there not the first 2.5l Turbo, in limited amounts there were RS wagons with the turbo and a Legacy turbo that was 2.5L, their not the same block as the STI is using now, and even turboed they weren't much to talk about but they were 2.5L and Turbo, a 13.4 1/4 mile in an Impreza indicates a shitty driver, and why were you 1/4 miling a goddamn RS to start with, You have to go through a lot of work in an RS to make it strip worthy, like swapping in an EJ20 end even than you'd need to SC it or go to a bigger turbo set up, and if not, yes you're going to lose, and no you will not bark the tires,. My comment on drag racing sucking, is based on the fact that a car built for strip is so specialized it's ruined for anything else, and Strip racers ( drag or street ) are so god damn simple all they can do is launch and shift. Now don't anyone try and say I don't know what I'm talking about, or even hint that I'm a ricer ( death to rice ) cause I am not in anyway a ricer. My faith in Suabru, especially on Impreza's is based on the fact that they can be built in any diretion and own in any form of racing. A car, nearly any car in stock form, isn't raceworthy in any class ( and I know there are exceptions w/ high performance cars but we're talking tuners here ) they have to be built and modified engineered to an extent to be competitve. All I'm saying is an Impreza can be built in any direction into a winning competitive car.

[Just_J]

also it is actually legal to drive a street illegal car in the US only as long as you are driving it to the track or strip and back.

That really depends on where you live. It's usually not legal at all, the cops just let you slide.

It's funny, because the fastest "Street Legal" Corvette is owned by a guy a few miles from me, and he usually trailers it to the strip.

p.s. if you want a fast drag car how is a 1969 firebird with a 540ci big block engine that runs 1/4 miles in 7.0s

Awesome!

had to say something about your post about americans wanting a lot of low end power.....A turbo doesnt give you the low end power of a na engine so what im really saying is that the sti wouldnt have a shit load of low end power.

Eh, it depends on the car and the tuning, can't be so general. A properly sized turbo will give pleanty of boost and low end power. My car had a T3 .60 trim in it, and I was at full boost at around 3K. I could easily do smokey burnouts. Let's not forget all the gutless NA cars running around either.

STi's have loads of low end power. Enough to roast all four wheels on a drag strip. The main thing it DOESN'T have, is the throttle response of NA cars (remeber the "Misfiring System" in that Evo in InitialD, yea, that gives Turbo cars the throttle characteristics of an NA car). BUT, it has a Drive By Wire throttle control, so the ECU can work the throttle  to mask the lack of response (and add to the low end power).

[Usagi_Yojimbo]

I think that whole drive a non-street legal car to the track thing, Around here you have to get like a pass, that shows you're registered to race and take it to the DMV, sometimes you can do it all at the track if they the right stuff, same thing with buying race octane Gas.