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Dapprman:
--- Quote --- The 22b has a 2.2L engine. Look it up.
#2) 1 Z, 1 R ;)
#3) The 2.5L Turbo motor was in the STi first, not the Forester. It's not the "Small engine", it's the "Subaru wanted a way to get loads of power and torque out of the engine without compromising reliability, and pleasing the American taste for low end power". ;) Oh, and it's completley new.
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You show quotes from REAL subaru sites.
The 22B was a limited edition model with a short ratio gear box and blue print engine to celebrate Richard Burns winning the WRC championship in a subaru imprezza turbo, entrant number 22.
The 2.5 litre engine was not new for the US market and it is not in the STi. I only said I believed it was from the forrester, not that it defiantely was. It was not a new engine though and is not used else where in the imprezza range (US excluding in this quote). The tax break has nothing to do with it (not even sure if you can get the WRX based model in Italy where this is the case), it's down to WRC capacity rules.
(modifications were to get the quote function working).
Just_J:
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You show quotes from REAL subaru sites.
The 22B was a limited edition model with a short ratio gear box and blue print engine to celebrate Richard Burns winning the WRC championship in a subaru imprezza turbo, entrant number 22.
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Wrong, it was built with a 2.2l stroked EJ20, modified gear box, DCCD, expanded track, special "Tarmac" suspension, lighter wheels, a body kit almost identical to the WRC car's (right up to the adjustable carbon fibre rear spoiler), which was designed by the guy who designed the McLaren F1, and some other goodies.
It was built to celebrate Subaru winning 3 WRC titles in a row (many years before Burns won his first) and was named 22b to commemorate their main sponser, BAT/555. 22b is hexadecimal for 555.
Sounds like you're thinking of the RB5, which was built to commemorate Burn's WRC championship. The RB5 was built by Prodrive, and is NOT the same as the 22b.
22b:
Info on the 22b, note the Displacement:
http://www.live2cruize.com/impreza_22b.htm
--- Quote ---The 2.5 litre engine was not new for the US market and it is not in the STi. I only said I believed it was from the forrester, not that it defiantely was. It was not a new engine though and is not used else where in the imprezza range (US excluding in this quote).
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Wrong again. The 2.5L STi engine was SPECIFICALLY designed for the USDM market Impreza STi. The only other 2.5L engine Subaru uses is a bored version of the EJ20, that was in the Forester, and in the US it was in the Impreza RS (which I personally own), Forester, Outback, and Legacy. However, the 2.5L in MY car and the Forester, is NOT the same as the engine in the USDM STi (the only thing they share is rounded displacement, and the external shape pretty much). The engine in the Forester XT (Turbo Forester) is simillar to the STi 2.5L block, but it highly detuned.
Usagi_Yojimbo:
Krazykunt, no I didn't install it myself, so no I don't know all the blablabla about it, I bought it with the b18c5 in there honda's are so commonplace it's to find a civic that isn't modified, and 190hp isn't bad for a 2400 lb car. Now the USDM STI was not always 2.5 litre only the newst Generation, all the new USDM STI are 2.5l but there not the first 2.5l Turbo, in limited amounts there were RS wagons with the turbo and a Legacy turbo that was 2.5L, their not the same block as the STI is using now, and even turboed they weren't much to talk about but they were 2.5L and Turbo, a 13.4 1/4 mile in an Impreza indicates a shitty driver, and why were you 1/4 miling a goddamn RS to start with, You have to go through a lot of work in an RS to make it strip worthy, like swapping in an EJ20 end even than you'd need to SC it or go to a bigger turbo set up, and if not, yes you're going to lose, and no you will not bark the tires,. My comment on drag racing sucking, is based on the fact that a car built for strip is so specialized it's ruined for anything else, and Strip racers ( drag or street ) are so god damn simple all they can do is launch and shift. Now don't anyone try and say I don't know what I'm talking about, or even hint that I'm a ricer ( death to rice ) cause I am not in anyway a ricer. My faith in Suabru, especially on Impreza's is based on the fact that they can be built in any diretion and own in any form of racing. A car, nearly any car in stock form, isn't raceworthy in any class ( and I know there are exceptions w/ high performance cars but we're talking tuners here ) they have to be built and modified engineered to an extent to be competitve. All I'm saying is an Impreza can be built in any direction into a winning competitive car.
Just_J:
--- Quote ---also it is actually legal to drive a street illegal car in the US only as long as you are driving it to the track or strip and back.
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That really depends on where you live. It's usually not legal at all, the cops just let you slide. ;)
It's funny, because the fastest "Street Legal" Corvette is owned by a guy a few miles from me, and he usually trailers it to the strip. :P
--- Quote ---p.s. if you want a fast drag car how is a 1969 firebird with a 540ci big block engine that runs 1/4 miles in 7.0s
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:o Awesome!
--- Quote ---had to say something about your post about americans wanting a lot of low end power.....A turbo doesnt give you the low end power of a na engine so what im really saying is that the sti wouldnt have a shit load of low end power.
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Eh, it depends on the car and the tuning, can't be so general. A properly sized turbo will give pleanty of boost and low end power. My car had a T3 .60 trim in it, and I was at full boost at around 3K. I could easily do smokey burnouts. :D Let's not forget all the gutless NA cars running around either.
STi's have loads of low end power. Enough to roast all four wheels on a drag strip. The main thing it DOESN'T have, is the throttle response of NA cars (remeber the "Misfiring System" in that Evo in InitialD, yea, that gives Turbo cars the throttle characteristics of an NA car). BUT, it has a Drive By Wire throttle control, so the ECU can work the throttle to mask the lack of response (and add to the low end power).
Usagi_Yojimbo:
I think that whole drive a non-street legal car to the track thing, Around here you have to get like a pass, that shows you're registered to race and take it to the DMV, sometimes you can do it all at the track if they the right stuff, same thing with buying race octane Gas.
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