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What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« on: September 07, 2004, 08:40:00 am »
With all the attention that Initial D is getting this group, I would like to get some feedback on what kind of car Forum members are driving.

list the year, make, model, trim level

ie.  1998 VW Jetta GLS
or  2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R


I'll start things off.

2003 Mazda Protege5

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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2004, 11:15:17 pm »
1993 240SX SE Coupe (S13, One-Via)


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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2004, 12:34:53 am »
I don't, I can't even drive! :o


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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2004, 04:55:51 am »
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I don't, I can't even drive! :o

They just want to start this thread so they can brag about their overpriced, expensive status symbols, what pieces of junk modern cars are.  I have a pig (cavy) that gets from point A to point B faster than most autos today, esp. when you consider traffic.  Seriously vehicles today the big thing is designs and styling, not functionality, reliability, driveability.  People look at a car and they say 'ooh that looks nice I want it' but in reality the piece of crap.  Anything you'd drive off a lot today has barely any power, front wheel drive, handles poorly around the corners, poor traction, a glut of 'features' you will never really use, unreliable (no redundant systems or backup embedded computer), high center-of-gravity, poor visibility, uses plastic (not steel), and weighs half a ton more than it should.  The worst part about the reliability is that modern cars have an embedded computer (PC-104 or other single-board computer) and if that fails your car is hosed (be ready to pay $10,000. to the manufacturer to replace a $300. PC board).  

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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2004, 06:27:59 am »
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They just want to start this thread so they can brag about their overpriced, expensive status symbols, what pieces of junk modern cars are.  barely any power, front wheel drive, handles poorly around the corners, poor traction, a glut of 'features' you will never really use. 


That was not my attention in the slightest.

I was just curious.


A Mazda Protege5 is not a "status symbol" car, it's a 4 cylinder Station wagon for cripes sake...

although it does handle very, very well. ;D
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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2004, 12:36:06 pm »
I drive a crappy 97 accord. its very beat up transmission is pretty bad to; its an automatic and it stalls out while going 60 on the highway i have to pop it into neutral and restart the car. Its probably from all the neutral bombs i did. and pulling the brake and running over curbs while going 50 mph. getting a new car soon hopefully an infiniti G35 coupe

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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2004, 02:40:14 pm »
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8

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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2004, 07:27:16 pm »
ahahahaha i got all yall beat!  i drive a TiLite titanium wheelchair.  the TTC model ty.  twin tube cantilever design.  what does that mean folks? tons of strength without the bulky weight (total weight of the chair is 18lbs compared to my last one which was 50lbs).  i also have maco tires which are made of solid rubber and the spokes are a spider design (they were gonna be red but my order god screwed up :( )  sex on wheels baby.  turns on a dime and oh yeah my front wheels flash when i roll :P
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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2004, 11:19:10 pm »
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That was not my attention in the slightest.

I was just curious.

A Mazda Protege5 is not a "status symbol" car, it's a 4 cylinder Station wagon for cripes sake...

although it does handle very, very well. ;D

You can say that now but one week from now you will look at this thread say 'oh no look what I started.'

I honestly don't see how a FWD car can 'handle well', I have driven my share of rentals (business trips) and I am yet to come across anything FWD where you didn't have to struggle to get it to corner well.  The honda civic (2001) was the only thing I found that could turn and even that was below average, modern cars are second rate, they are nothing but a bunch of performance compromises to keep the manufacturing cost down and the styling 'looking good'.   Performance and handling are things of the past, now the big push is for styling, image, 'the look', things that drive the weight up and the handling / performance down, yawn.

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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2004, 10:11:06 am »
Damn man, that's a really crappy ride.... before you junk it consider selling it to me though ;D

Oh, hi SD, looks like the delay of 4th Stage eps brought you here too huh :p
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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2004, 07:56:28 pm »
HAH I like car threads anyway.

I use to drive an 85 Ford Bronco II, all steel.  The original meaning of death metal.
I now drive an 95 Jeep Cherokee Country. Thank god.

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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2004, 07:09:17 pm »
Until 3 Months ago I was driving a 14 year old Ford escort, the horror  :-/ .

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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2004, 12:59:29 am »
ok akira...my family (5 people at the time) piled into a 1989 (i think that was the year) ford escort gt and drove the damn thing across the whole united states and the 2 yrs after we arrived in ny it started having engine trouble  but damn that car was a resilient little fuck...
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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2004, 07:33:30 am »
me drives a protege 5 as well i can't say it handles like a dream car but i can't i say it handles poorly either.  

As for sindobook, i don't know much about cars and nor do i have your experience probably but i think what epox was getting at is that it handles well for a 4 cylinder erm...wagon (hatchback sounds more appealing =P) but ya it's got a low center of gravity which helps the feel.  And if you haven't driven it how can you be SURE? :)

now i much rather have AWD or RWD....but you get what you get.....i wouldn't want to trade my p5 for another affordable FWD rite now.  (AFFORDABLE = on a poor uni student who doesn't like to ask parents for TOO much, standard).  But if you got suggestions i'm open to it too :P

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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2004, 09:08:56 am »
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Seriously vehicles today the big thing is designs and styling, not functionality, reliability, driveability.  People look at a car and they say 'ooh that looks nice I want it' but in reality the piece of crap.


Nonsense, if you are going to make outrageous blanket statements, you could at least attempt to ground yourself in reality by citing facts.


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Anything you'd drive off a lot today has barely any power, front wheel drive, handles poorly around the corners, poor traction, a glut of 'features' you will never really use.


Hence the term "Economy Car" and "Fully loaded Economy car".  If you don't like Economy cars, then don't buy one.  For most people, they are a means to get around cheaply and efficently.  


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no redundant systems or backup embedded computer


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The worst part about the reliability is that modern cars have an embedded computer (PC-104 or other single-board computer) and if that fails your car is hosed (be ready to pay $10,000. to the manufacturer to replace a $300. PC board).  



I'm guessing you work in the computer industry, because you sound like an IT man, definatley not a backyard mechanic.  ECU failures account for an insignifigant percentage of failures in modern vehicles. Redundant systems aren't necessary, as ECU's are simply not prone to failure. Out of every single person I know, including a Canada wide 80s/90s Toyota club that I'm a member of, the only faulures I've seen have been from people tampering with the ECU or from hackjob rewiring, in any case it was the owner's fault.  

Since you seem to feel that EFI is not a viable means of fuel management What do you suggest?  Should we go back to using carburators?  And what, throw 20 years of progress towards clearner burning, more efficent engines into the gutter.  Anyone who has owned a carburated car will tell you that reliability is not one of it's high points.  The other alternative to EFI would be Mechanical Fuel Injection like the old Bosch K-Jetronic system, however while they tended to be somewhat accurate, they have the same shortfalls of carburation, like the inability to adjust fuel curves and ignition timing based on temperature and atmospheric conditions.

Simply put EFI is infinately more reliable than Carburation or Mechanical FI.  



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high center-of-gravity, poor visibility, uses plastic (not steel), and weighs half a ton more than it should.


Most 'import' vehicles have vastly different suspension settings for the American market than they do for the European and Japanese markets.  Its well known in the automotive industry that American's prefer extremely soft, nonresponsive rides and slow, effortless steering ratios.   Drive a European Corolla if you want to see what I mean, the ride is firmer and much more confidence inspiring than the US model.   As for visibility, that is on a per model basis.

A note on vehicle weight, cars are becoming safer and safer each year.  Unfortunately for enntheusiasts, this means that they are also becoming heavier.  As for your plastics statement, this is totally off the wall.  Find me a car that uses plastics in it's unibody chassis and I'll find you a magical flying ape that can grant wishes.  Plastics are often used as bumper skins due to the fact that they don't dent in low speed collisions, but NEVER on anything structural.

Anyhow it would seem to me that you have been fed a glut of nonsense by someone who has a serious hate-on for the autmotive industry.  
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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2004, 06:07:21 am »
Solid state may be inherently more reliable than the older mechanical systems, but cost reduction and further miniaturization often hurts reliability... systems are made to last between 60,000 - 100,000 miles and will fail (vibration, voltage spikes, etc.) shortly after that.  You many not hear about those failures because for most owners, 60,000 miles is the end of the car's life and time to get a new car.  

And most of the rest of the message just complements what I am saying.  The performance, by just about any criterion, of both vehicles sold to the common person and vehicles sold to enthusiasts has gone down, not up.  Even the occasional engine 'upgrade' is more than offset by weight increases and other performance hindarences.  The only real and measurable improvements to vehicles in modern-day has been up-to-date styling and higher profit margins.  

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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2004, 06:54:15 am »
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Solid state may be inherently more reliable than the older mechanical systems, but cost reduction and further miniaturization often hurts reliability... systems are made to last between 60,000 - 100,000 miles and will fail (vibration, voltage spikes, etc.) shortly after that.  You many not hear about those failures because for most owners, 60,000 miles is the end of the car's life and time to get a new car..


Where on Earth are you getting these numbers from?  Most of the Toyota club I'm part of have cars with well over 250,000km on them, most of these cars frequent lapping days and/or AutoX. I've seen people starve their engines of oil during high speed corners and throw a con rod through the side of their block.  I've seen spun bearings, broken transmissions, differentials turned into shrapnel, but I've never once seen an ECU fail.  Hell people will replace damned near every mechanical component on the car without ever touching the ECU.  Vibration doesn't hurt IC's and  Voltage spikes are a non issue thanks to those fancy $2 plastic blades known as fuses.  


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And most of the rest of the message just complements what I am saying.  The performance, by just about any criterion, of both vehicles sold to the common person and vehicles sold to enthusiasts has gone down, not up.  Even the occasional engine 'upgrade' is more than offset by weight increases and other performance hindarences.  The only real and measurable improvements to vehicles in modern-day has been up-to-date styling and higher profit margins.  


Econoboxes are more powerful now than they ever were, just look at the lineage of the Civic if you think otherwise.  A 1972 Civic 1200CVCC vs. a 2004 Civic Si. The 2004 will accellerate faster, brake harder, pollute less, get better mileage, have a lower drag coefficent, has more interior space, is safer and has a higher Top Speed than any Civic before it.  The same goes for performance cars, while I love the Classic Z cars, pit one up against a 350Z on a track and watch what happens, the 350Z will walk all over it. Same goes for the Chevy Corvette, Porsche 911, Nissan Skyline GT-R and pretty much any other performance marque in the world.  Sure the older ones may be lighter more and more tossable, but when it comes to real world performance, they are simply no match for their modern counterparts.

The only exception to this rule would be the massive V8s that were common in Yank cars of the 60's, but keep in mind that they were heavier than ANY modern car due to the fact that they had Full Frames rather than monocoque (unibody) chassis.  Ever driven a classic Mustang or Camaro?  They were relitavely lightweight compared to their muscle car bretheren, yet they have brakes that are practically unusable after two or three hard stops, little to no torsenal ridgidity, and horrible suspension (steel leaf springs).   They were really only good at going fast in a straight line.

Anyhow, like I said, whoever is feeding you these 'facts' should really brush up and open their eyes.
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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
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Re: What Kind of Car do you Drive?
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2004, 09:56:35 am »
I drive a Nissan 1997 240sx 5 speed.  Rear wheel drive. Doggy on power due to being a still non-supercharged 2.4L, but I love it.

My last car was a 86 300ZX was my P.O.S.  Honestly it rusted where it wasn't dented.  I had been on car fax with 5 pervious wrecks. I bought it when it was in pieces and hadn't been touched in year.  It was the only car I have ever been able to consistantly rev past 8000rpm (where the RPM stopped reading) before shifting even though it red lined at 6500.

If you want to talk about built to last that motor had 150,000 miles when I got it. I let go of it after 2 years with 230,000+ on it.  It wouldn't die.  The only reason I gave up on it was it broke a tie rod while going around a corner one day and I figured it might be rusting faster than I cared to repair.  I should have kept the motor though since it was running stronger than anything I've ever seen.  And as for car cost. At 400 dollars it cost me more to put tires on it than buying it.  

If anyone can tell me what the top end of the mid 80s non turbo 300zx is I would love to know, because it stopped registering at 145 while I was still in 4th.

I would like to point out I only abused the 300zx because I wanted to get a 240sx and couldn't justify it till the 300zx was deemed unsafe.