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Why h264?

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DashRattleWRX:
A lot of people are having trouble with this codec.  In fact, many are entierly unable to play h264 encoded files because it is not currently compatable with all hardware.  Or so I'm told.. fortunately I can watch h264 (ie. Condor Hero ep. 47, other wise I wouldn't even know of the problem).


My point is, why switch to this codec when it is still buggy as hell?  I can understand that it might be better for higher resolution projects, but how high resolution does fansub anime have to be, and does your fan base even care about high resolution releases at the expense of all kinds of trouble(I had to install a whole new media player: VLC 0.8.2) and the fact that it might not even work at all on some systems.



I'm not trying to start isht here, don't get me wrong.  I love your releases; they're great.  I just want some kind of justification for using h264..  why not just go with something everyone can already play?

bastard-sama:
well it was up to the encoder to release with h264.. the encoder must have thought it was great.. but forgot that
its will be a pain to get other people to install it.. and condor hero is licensed we dont do it so you should really
figure out where your releases come from...

DashRattleWRX:

--- Quote from: bastard-sama on September 02, 2005, 08:09:00 am ---well it was up to the encoder to release with h264.. the encoder must have thought it was great.. but forgot that
its will be a pain to get other people to install it.. and condor hero is licensed we dont do it so you should really
figure out where your releases come from...

--- End quote ---



I know where I got Condor Hero from; and I know why LE isn't subbing it.  I'm not stupid.

I had just seen that LE was releasing Space Symphony Maetel in h264 now, and I respect LE so much that I was concerned as to why they decided to go that in that dirrection.


I guess if the decision to go with h264 was all up to the encoder, and that person isn't you, then you shouldn't be responding to this thread.

gumbaloom:
This is an age old argument. It's happening now and it will happen again.

It happened when people moved from fansub tapes to dvix3. It happened when people moved from dvix3 to divx5. It happened when people moved to xvid and it happened when xvid 1.0 and above.

I've only been around long enough to remember the time when xvid went 1.0. There was on particular situation with a series where the group switched from xvid 0.9 to xvid 1.1. This meant that everyone had to upgrade their codecs. It caused NO END of trouble. However once people stopped complaining and giving up they were able to play the file after having upgraded their codecs.

It's a given fact. H264 is next generation. Fansubbing is always driving the bounds of what is possible with digital media compression and what is possible with textsub. For example how much After Effects stuff did you see a year ago but its exploded.

At some point you have to bite the bullet and make the effort to upgrade and move technology forward. Yes it might involve a bit of effort on the part of leechers but at the end of the day if it leaders to nicer looking encodes isn't that a good thing?.

Trail blazers will always take flak for trying out new things. Live-eviL is not the first group to use h264 and it won't be the last. Just look through recent releases on animesuki and you will see h264 releases cropping up on a regular basis.

Whether you like it or not h264 is here to stay so try to make the effort. In fact look at our earlier Galaxy Express releases - we were using beta releases of xvid.
So...well I don't know what to say apart from h264 is here to stay ^_^;;;;


-gumbaloom

DashRattleWRX:
I can understand that people will always be resistant to change.  I just didn't understand why make that change when it means rendering some of your releases entirely unwatchable to some of your fans.  BUT, you make a very valid point.  I suppose if so many groups weren't pushing h264, these hardware conflicts wouldn't be exposed (without lots of beta testing), and in turn the stability of the codec wouldn't increase near as fast as it will now.  I guess it comes down to the whole public beta testing issue..


Thank you, I'm satisfied with your answer.  Although I am able to play h264.  People that are continuing to have problems with it might not be so easily comforted.  :-\

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