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Except for the Pig / Re: Small Animal News
« Last post by Sindobook on October 15, 2015, 08:53:11 am »Yes. Since May. He was classified as a Class C back then, now he is a Class B. For distant threats, it is 'track only', the bunny brigade leaves the handling of snakes like that one to local groups.
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No idea. The bunny brigade is efficient by necessity. Remember, a snake can kill a bunny in a second, while 4 bunnies might be able to kill a snake in 10 seconds, and only if they cooperate well. Nature is asymetric, so the tactics are, out of necessity if nothing else.
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By all indications, yes, it was a front for the neighborhood cat gang. But even the cats involved, they didn't want to be associated with the gang once it was outed. So they all jumped ship at once, leaving the poor kitty that Cat P had appointed to take a fall.
"Death came quickly, and the [bamboo tower] came down shortly after. Nothing remained, and the whole affair was quickly forgotten. Cat P disavowed the whole thing, a few cats perished, and several others left the gang. But what's that to them?" - from Ling Ling, a Panda informant, to Chelsea, of the Bunny Brigade.
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I don't know much, there is plenty of information there, but most of it contradicts itself in one way or another.
My intuition says that their front is messed up, ie. someone took the funds and ran, they know who did it and they are trying to get the funds back. But there's nothing in the bank now, and nothing is certain. My rationale is this: They would have fixed the problem if they could have, the only way the explain this is that they can't fix the problem right now, but believe they will be able to in the future. But being uncertain of this (being able to fix it), it's 'cover your ass' time and no one wants to seem at fault. So, no one is talking, b'cos right now, no one would like the answer. Sounds like cats, but I don't know, the top level was always kinda suspicious.
If you want sinister, perhaps their supporter was a double like snake E. He planned to use it to bring him more victims, but when his plans fell apart, he pulled his support along with the funds that he had promised. So, they were left with no way to keep the promises they made.
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Good, few problems, pretty much exactly how something of that size should work. A lot more than I can say for other (similar) things.
While I wasn't able to talk with all those who I wanted to, I talked to a sufficient number of people throughout the day, so I am satisfied with that.
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Not much new information, honestly, I haven't spent much time on this. They run a pretty tight ship but it will start to leak sooner or later. Reports indicate that some have already jumped, and are already talking to others in secret. Whatever secret they are trying to hide must be pretty big, and it's not like this whole thing is going to go away anytime soon.
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I talked to Ling Ling today and this is what she said (paraphrased). The captain (cat Y) abandoned ship several days ago, in the dark of night. He left his crew behind, and that ship is sinking fast.
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Yes, though I do not know the reliability of the source, he likely is who he says he is. The fact that he removed his message a few hours after posting it probably means he had second thoughts about posting the information; of course by then, it was already too late.
The points he discussed include:
1) By the end, it was obvious the cats owed more funds than they could afford to pay out.
2) They could not afford to pay their own core cats, much less the mercenaries they had retained and the other cats they owed funds too. They paid out as much as they could, but they ran out of funds.
3) Some of the mercenaries simply started to take funds straight from the core cats.
4) Regardless, the mercenaries are still owed funds equivalent to roughly 200,000 carrots (or more) and they are kinda pissed off about it.
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The thing is, few cats are left who know much, and those who are left aren't talking. There are whispers of secret messages from Cat Y, presumably in hiding as he has not been seen since. Presumably, it is a dire situation, and one that will only get worse.
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To the person who asked that question, first, I think you're a bit confused. Any relation to one of our bunnies is purely coincidental. Overloading or such.
Nor should it be forgotten, that one of the mottoes of the brigade is (translated) "if I should die, let it be decided in battle". Like many sayings, there is a double meaning here.
Our bunnies would never do that type of thing, at least not while they are part of the brigade, much less a HVA.
As for the topic at hand, no, my guess would be no relation. Now this has been a while, long ago, around 36 (cat) years ago. I did jobs with Panda A once or twice, he seemed like a good guy, and he always treated my friends well. So I'll take his word over the rest of them.
While information is sketchy, I'd guess that it's not related to that at all. I was only clued onto this by one off-hand remark that led to my investigation. Yes, they had a presence with the movement, but that's about it. That is beside the point. Despite all that grandstanding, the more obvious reason shouldn't be ignored.
Nor do I take the predominant western view when it comes to that topic. It can be an escape, or not. It can be honorable, or not. Generally we despise it, but, it doesn't have to be that way. It really depends on the person. Remember the story of Setsumi. A sad story, but not b'cos of that. It is far more likely that this story is similar to that one rather that what those people would make it out to be. That's really all I can say here. Beyond that, I would recommend contacting the panda directly, and not the others.
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No idea. The bunny brigade is efficient by necessity. Remember, a snake can kill a bunny in a second, while 4 bunnies might be able to kill a snake in 10 seconds, and only if they cooperate well. Nature is asymetric, so the tactics are, out of necessity if nothing else.
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By all indications, yes, it was a front for the neighborhood cat gang. But even the cats involved, they didn't want to be associated with the gang once it was outed. So they all jumped ship at once, leaving the poor kitty that Cat P had appointed to take a fall.
"Death came quickly, and the [bamboo tower] came down shortly after. Nothing remained, and the whole affair was quickly forgotten. Cat P disavowed the whole thing, a few cats perished, and several others left the gang. But what's that to them?" - from Ling Ling, a Panda informant, to Chelsea, of the Bunny Brigade.
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I don't know much, there is plenty of information there, but most of it contradicts itself in one way or another.
My intuition says that their front is messed up, ie. someone took the funds and ran, they know who did it and they are trying to get the funds back. But there's nothing in the bank now, and nothing is certain. My rationale is this: They would have fixed the problem if they could have, the only way the explain this is that they can't fix the problem right now, but believe they will be able to in the future. But being uncertain of this (being able to fix it), it's 'cover your ass' time and no one wants to seem at fault. So, no one is talking, b'cos right now, no one would like the answer. Sounds like cats, but I don't know, the top level was always kinda suspicious.
If you want sinister, perhaps their supporter was a double like snake E. He planned to use it to bring him more victims, but when his plans fell apart, he pulled his support along with the funds that he had promised. So, they were left with no way to keep the promises they made.
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Good, few problems, pretty much exactly how something of that size should work. A lot more than I can say for other (similar) things.
While I wasn't able to talk with all those who I wanted to, I talked to a sufficient number of people throughout the day, so I am satisfied with that.
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Not much new information, honestly, I haven't spent much time on this. They run a pretty tight ship but it will start to leak sooner or later. Reports indicate that some have already jumped, and are already talking to others in secret. Whatever secret they are trying to hide must be pretty big, and it's not like this whole thing is going to go away anytime soon.
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I talked to Ling Ling today and this is what she said (paraphrased). The captain (cat Y) abandoned ship several days ago, in the dark of night. He left his crew behind, and that ship is sinking fast.
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Yes, though I do not know the reliability of the source, he likely is who he says he is. The fact that he removed his message a few hours after posting it probably means he had second thoughts about posting the information; of course by then, it was already too late.
The points he discussed include:
1) By the end, it was obvious the cats owed more funds than they could afford to pay out.
2) They could not afford to pay their own core cats, much less the mercenaries they had retained and the other cats they owed funds too. They paid out as much as they could, but they ran out of funds.
3) Some of the mercenaries simply started to take funds straight from the core cats.
4) Regardless, the mercenaries are still owed funds equivalent to roughly 200,000 carrots (or more) and they are kinda pissed off about it.
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The thing is, few cats are left who know much, and those who are left aren't talking. There are whispers of secret messages from Cat Y, presumably in hiding as he has not been seen since. Presumably, it is a dire situation, and one that will only get worse.
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To the person who asked that question, first, I think you're a bit confused. Any relation to one of our bunnies is purely coincidental. Overloading or such.
Nor should it be forgotten, that one of the mottoes of the brigade is (translated) "if I should die, let it be decided in battle". Like many sayings, there is a double meaning here.
Our bunnies would never do that type of thing, at least not while they are part of the brigade, much less a HVA.
As for the topic at hand, no, my guess would be no relation. Now this has been a while, long ago, around 36 (cat) years ago. I did jobs with Panda A once or twice, he seemed like a good guy, and he always treated my friends well. So I'll take his word over the rest of them.
While information is sketchy, I'd guess that it's not related to that at all. I was only clued onto this by one off-hand remark that led to my investigation. Yes, they had a presence with the movement, but that's about it. That is beside the point. Despite all that grandstanding, the more obvious reason shouldn't be ignored.
Nor do I take the predominant western view when it comes to that topic. It can be an escape, or not. It can be honorable, or not. Generally we despise it, but, it doesn't have to be that way. It really depends on the person. Remember the story of Setsumi. A sad story, but not b'cos of that. It is far more likely that this story is similar to that one rather that what those people would make it out to be. That's really all I can say here. Beyond that, I would recommend contacting the panda directly, and not the others.
