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Title: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on October 03, 2006, 08:55:34 pm
Hiya guys,
Live-eviL has picked up Death Note as our new top drawer project. The staff constitute the L-E girls  :P and we'll make sure we bring you an episode every week an episode is aired is Japan. Having said that, we hope to bring you quality subs and not only focus on speed releases, although we're aiming that too. It took a lot of effort getting the staff ready for it so all we can promise you are consistent release dates and absolute dedication from Live-eviL.  Episode 1 was aired few hours back. Ready for a treat?  ;) Feel free to discuss your beloved Death Note here, but read the necessary forum rules before posting.

/me is happy to be announcing this on her birthday.  :D

Live-evil <3 you.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!!
Post by: PlasticYakuza on October 04, 2006, 01:33:12 am
For those of you who are not farmiliar with the title, it is based on the very successful manga (now complete, 108 chapters, licensed english versions availible anywhere that sells manga online) written by Tsugumi Ohba and illustrations by Takeshi Obata(Ayatsuri Sakon and Hikaru no Go). The anime is being produce in part by Madhouse and music from Yoshihisa Hirano.

I really think everyone should at least give this show a try. Not one to be over looked.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!!
Post by: Tsubasa on October 04, 2006, 07:18:27 pm
Hehe, of-course they will. I'd say something more along the lines of 'everyone liking this show should try our other shows too', Isn't that the objective?  ;)

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: bobby6 on October 05, 2006, 08:49:09 am
So sad... this thread has been up for like a day or 2 now, and still only LE staff members have been talking in it. :'( Where are all of the Death Note fans?!?! :'(
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Someone_II on October 05, 2006, 08:56:12 am
So sad... this thread has been up for like a day or 2 now, and still only LE staff members have been talking in it. :'( Where are all of the Death Note fans?!?! :'(
Right here? Aside from my fix of Mastumoto, this (and Chevalier D'eon) are the only series I'm torrenting episode by episode. I just wait for everything else to get licenced.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: bobby6 on October 05, 2006, 09:04:28 am
Yay! At least 1 person will be getting it from us instead of just grabbing the fastest release!  :P ;)
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Post by: tlynnec on October 05, 2006, 09:21:34 am
*peeks in while the raw is filtering*

Haven't slept in 2 days... but it's SO worth it ^___^
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on October 05, 2006, 03:45:04 pm
Hmmm, and I'm already getting pms from Death Note fans regarding subbing Death Note instead of having them post here.  :o

SleepThyNameisTlynnec come to my rescue.  ;)

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: brass2themax on October 06, 2006, 07:20:48 am
Is everything going along smoothly with the subbing so far? I hope so, I'm SOOOOOOO anxious to see it! Hope you guys release it soon! There are TONS of fans out here waiting for it, despite not having many replies here.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on October 06, 2006, 07:36:02 am
Yea I just wish someone would kidnap all of us and we had to do Death Note Episode 1 for mercy from him and get it out then no IRL to worry about and Episode 1 out.  ;D

And oh my, Episode 1 not out yet and we're already getting this?  :o I can only dread the future.  :-\

Yeah well Karehi sucks anyway. Might as well get it from Live-eviL.  :D  Not saying this as a fansubber but leechie opinion.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: brass2themax on October 06, 2006, 07:46:38 am
Well, I'm really glad you guys decided to sub this series. I only know of you and Karehi who are actually stating you're doing it. Not a word from C1, Toriyama's World, etc... I've seen some of your stuff before, and I've liked it, so I'm sure I'll like your Death Note sub. If it's as good as I think it will be, I'll make sure all my friends who are following it get it from you ;)
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on October 06, 2006, 07:54:41 am
Hey thanks, we'd love to gain back the large fanbase we lost after Tofu x-xed with TC >_>. We're working on Episode 1 but you know, it's not weekend yet the main project manager is like really busy person and she hasn't slept properly, the t/l has exams yet got the job done, rest of the staff are busy ones too. I get poked at 2-4 AM in the night to fill in gaps and stuff (no main staff so not much to do) and then the logo person is also X_X (or slacking?) due to too many classes over a 48 hour period.

Normally Episode 1 takes a bit of time, as to why we got Tsubasa Chronicle Episode 1 released within 24 hours for both Seasons....that's a DB mystery and Tofu's ungodly hours dedicated to fansubbing. Plus it was a Saturday air so Sundays were off.

All in all, you'll get it soon. We're trying to put quality sub before speed.

And just remember Death Note is being subbed by the L-E Girls.  ;D For most of us, this is our first top drawer show.  :)  :-[

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: bobby6 on October 06, 2006, 10:57:09 am
Yay! It's currently 3:51 AM here and I have just finished the final pre-QC timing check! You know what that means everyone?!!!!

Episode 1 hits QC tomorrow morning! :D ;D

Here's to hoping for very few errors which means less time to fine tune the episode, and a faster release! Is everyone even more excited now! You should be! I've seen it and let me say, it's worth the wait!  ;)
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
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Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: YaoiBoy on October 08, 2006, 01:00:03 am
THIS SHOW ROCKS!!! A must see! :D
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: techy on October 08, 2006, 01:02:13 am
This project is great!!! Death note is the best manga EVER!!! I'm so glad that you guys are subbing the anime  :)
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on October 08, 2006, 04:19:43 am
Yeah, yeah teh L=E Girls for the win.  ;D

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: naru on October 08, 2006, 06:06:31 am
Hello I joined your forum just to say "THANK YOU!   ;D"

I have been waiting for a good fan subbing group to pick up this anime and as soon as I saw that L&E had it I knew I had the group I was looking for. Truth be told I have gotten other projects from you guys but I was suffering from tempoary stupidity and couldn't find your web page to let you know you are doing a good job, but as you can seem my condition has been cured  :D .....lol
Thanks for the show and I look forward to seeing more from you guys. Good luck and keep up the good work.  ;D
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: arwell2 on October 08, 2006, 06:34:24 am
oh I feel so bad. I always grab L-E subs, but I went with another group before I realized you guys were doing it too. A friend screen capped your version though and we compared and I have to say, YOU ROCK, as usual, lol. Excellent font choice and I prefered the translation.  A thank you as always, I look forward to following the show with you 'gals'  ;)
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on October 08, 2006, 07:13:47 am
 :D :D :D

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: sakurayume on October 08, 2006, 05:17:55 pm
i was wondering if live-evil can sub the movie as well. The live-action movie i mean. the first one's out already and the second ones comming out in november. i saw the first one in raw but there voices were a bit scratchy since it was a CAM video from a theater =.=; if u guys can, id love it if u can sub the video >.<!

THANKS FOR SUBBING DEATH NOTE!
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Hardy on October 08, 2006, 08:57:53 pm
I love the serie. Looking forward for more releases. :) Keep up the goodwork! <33
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on October 08, 2006, 09:29:10 pm
Check out the other threads in this board. There is a thread regarding the movie and possibility of subbing it.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: techy on October 08, 2006, 10:13:26 pm
Check out the other threads in this board. There is a thread regarding the movie and possibility of subbing it.

-Tsubasa

Just watched the anime! Great job! Keep up the excellent work!!!

As for the possibility of subbing the movie... GO FOR IT!!!  ;D
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Someone_II on October 09, 2006, 05:30:23 am
Hey, just curious, "genre" (for lack of a better word) would you consider this show? I mean technacally it's a shonen as it was published in Shonen Jump but I've seen many seinens that weren't plotted or executed in such a mature manner. So yeah, what do you guys think; Shonen or Seinen?
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on October 09, 2006, 06:03:45 am
Well we normally don't have a definitely popular Seinen genre cause boys will be boys.  ;)

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Mime on October 09, 2006, 12:25:05 pm
Dunno... Maybe a shonen, but an interesting and different one anyway  ;D
Title: Thanks
Post by: Buddybaba on October 10, 2006, 07:30:03 am
First time on this board.  I hadn't heard of this before. It promises to be an interesting series. Kind of dark. Well animated. I was familiar with Live-Evil from their excellent Initial D subs. Thanks for subbing this.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: bobby6 on October 10, 2006, 07:54:18 am
All I want is for someone to say that they like the timing and I will be a happy camper.  ;)
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Post by: Sindobook on October 10, 2006, 07:12:28 pm
If it's in shounen jump, it's shounen.  These days, the shounen / seinen / shoujo / etc. label doesn't have much to do with the content (only likelihood of such).  Labelling it as something else b'cos of the content it has is the wrong use of that label.  There's another set of labels for that; bishoujo, mahoushoujo, action, sports, fantasy, romance, love, bishounen, shounen-ai, mecha, war, intrigue, mystery, thriller, suspense, variety, etc. that describe actual theme and content. 
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: DeadAlready911 on October 10, 2006, 07:18:54 pm
All I want is for someone to say that they like the timing and I will be a happy camper.  ;)


Good timing never gets praise; bad timing will get talked about all day.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on October 10, 2006, 07:26:33 pm
Dead = Timer so yeah he is right.

Translations only get praised when some other group does a comparatively poor job. And Sindo, genre would be Mystery/Detective here.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: alichino on October 11, 2006, 11:18:28 am
Newbie here. Registered just so I can say:

Oh my GAWD! Thank you SO MUCH!

Timing is great; haven't seen any grammar problems (yay!!), except two minor ones:

(1) you could fix the ending karaoke -->

"Even if I my feet get caught in the shackles of sacrifice," (~21m43s mark)

Take out the "I", of course...

(2) "or the police might keep it secret for awhile" (~ 8m32s mark).

It should actually be "for a while".

"Usage Note: Awhile, an adverb, is never preceded by a preposition such as for, but the two-word form a while may be preceded by a preposition. In writing, each of the following is acceptable: stay awhile; stay for a while; stay a while (but not stay for awhile)." Pulled from dictionary.com.

All this, though, just in case you wanted to make it more perfect. Because I'm not complaining; good grief, no!

I've downloaded the other subbers' versions, and LE is by far the greatest; you totally blow them away! Please keep up the superb work!

Thank you thank you thank you for doing Death Note!!!
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: bobby6 on October 11, 2006, 11:52:20 am
Thanks for the free QC check and advice  :D We always want to make stuff better as much as we are able! And also thanks for saying the timing was good ;D I really appreciate that. Especially since I'm always up until like 4-5 am on release day to do it well, so I'm glad somebody appreciates it!  :D
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: techy on October 11, 2006, 01:29:18 pm
I've downloaded the other subbers' versions too... Livel-Evil's ROCKS!

Thanks again for everything...
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on October 11, 2006, 10:32:50 pm
Thanks, you guys should go to anidb.net, register there and vote rate our releases, compare them with the others' version and tell people, spread the word. It'd help us the MOST, trust me. Having lots of fans motivates fansubbers and they only get better and better.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: affandi on October 12, 2006, 07:18:27 am
Great job Live-eviL !! Really love you all.. with Detective Academy Q, Initial D and now Death Note... I'm one of ur fans... One of the most prestigous fansubbers...

But just wanna tell u the so-called hero in Death Note is Yagami RAITO... and as far as I can see it's been translated to "Light"... just want to tell the team, thanks again... really owe u people a lot...

And please do continue to sub all those great animes...
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: naru on October 12, 2006, 09:37:08 am
Great job Live-eviL !! Really love you all.. with Detective Academy Q, Initial D and now Death Note... I'm one of ur fans... One of the most prestigous fansubbers...

But just wanna tell u the so-called hero in Death Note is Yagami RAITO... and as far as I can see it's been translated to "Light"... just want to tell the team, thanks again... really owe u people a lot...

And please do continue to sub all those great animes...

I read the magna and they always refered to him as Light...or Like-kun...(I think...not sure if it is the proper use of the language...oh well...at least I tried....lol)
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on October 12, 2006, 10:01:38 am
This thread will experience some Light vs Raito battle it seems.  ;)

If someone can give me a kanji for RAITO and not a katakana, then I'll agree to RAITO but if they right his name as RAITO in katakana, the mangaka meant it to be Light and the English manga t/l screwed up. ^_^

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: affandi on October 13, 2006, 02:37:17 am
Well if I got time I'll try to find it... But in the manga (english translated), it's been written as "Raito" ... I can't remember the subbers though...
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Post by: techy on October 13, 2006, 02:59:21 am
a) I've read the manga and I rememder that the name used was: "Light"...
b) You are soooooo FAST! Ep. 2 is already out!!! Thanks LE :-)
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Post by: YaoiBoy on October 13, 2006, 03:14:50 am
We might want to note that most English translations of works licensed from Japan have to be approved by the licensor. Hence, whatever translation for the main character's name that was used in the English version of the Manga would have been approved as correct by the Japanese publisher.

Just my measly input... :P
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Pyromancer on October 13, 2006, 03:41:55 am
This thread will experience some Light vs Raito battle it seems.  ;)

If someone can give me a kanji for RAITO and not a katakana, then I'll agree to RAITO but if they right his name as RAITO in katakana, the mangaka meant it to be Light and the English manga t/l screwed up. ^_^

-Tsubasa

In the manga the kanji for Raito is the same as the kanji used for moon, but it's read as Raito.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/Pyromancer/YagamiRaito.jpg

The URL contains a cropped image from the Death Note manga.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Throes on October 13, 2006, 06:06:19 am
In the manga the kanji for Raito is the same as the kanji used for moon, but it's read as Raito.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/Pyromancer/YagamiRaito.jpg

The URL contains a cropped image from the Death Note manga.
Well, considering that in Vol. 2 and subsequent volumes, it lists his name as "LIGHT". And I'm not talking the english volumes, I'm talking Tankoban. Light's name is Light,  Ryuk is Ryuk, etc. Many of the main names were spelt out in english in the tanko.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: UrielxItachixL on October 13, 2006, 06:35:37 am
Finally my waiting for the death note has ended, since I first entered the stored and saw light and ryuk on the front label it was like something that I just had to read. since that day I have been drawn into the death note world. so hooked that I even looked for the manga over the internet, and read it all. but still that wasnt  enough I had to buy the English version too but still it wasnt enough, now thanks to Live-Evil I can enjoy a good subbed anime of Death Note. THANK YOU LIVE-EVIL THANK YOU VERY MUCH..
Keep the good job...
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: naru on October 13, 2006, 09:41:52 am
ep 2 was great...as if you guys would do a crapy job.......LOL
As for the name thing...I like Light. He dad called him that in the magna and to me it just sticks. I say why change something that is working. I'm not so anal that the name makes the story. I say keep it as is....just my view
Thanks again for ep 2 and I look forward to 3
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on October 13, 2006, 10:02:30 am
Well if the kanji for RAITO is the same as that for moon, it means RAITO is supposed to indicate light. So the name means light and written in kanji as 'tsuki' but pronounced as 'Light' Since the Japanese suck at English pronounciations they pronounce it 'RAITO' so that's how it sounds and is written in romaji. Discussion done.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: alichino on October 13, 2006, 10:25:19 am
*cries profusely*

Oh, Live-Evil, I LOVE YOU!

This episode had me squealing all over again, remembering certain scenes from the manga.

You even translated and put it out for distro super fast! 99.99999% perfect!

I swear, you guys script it well; you know where just to cut the sentence and continue it deliciously, instead of sticking the whole sentence out on the screen before the character even finishes saying it, thus blowing any awesome anticipatory moments away! (If this even refers to the scripting domain, or timing...Whatever. Either way: you guys rock!)

If you need want donations, just put a Paypal button or something on your site; I won't think twice to give!!!

And any other subbers doing Death Note should just stop and hang their heads in shame/embarrassment. Grab Death Note here!

</fan sucking up to awesome group>
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: PlasticYakuza on October 14, 2006, 12:50:45 am

If you need want donations, just put a Paypal button or something on your site; I won't think twice to give!!!


This is a good idea.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Vash on October 14, 2006, 12:52:34 am
its still shitty
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Post by: Hardy on October 14, 2006, 02:41:24 am
OMG. WHAT AN EPISODE, I'M SO EXCITED.

I'm totally in love with this serie. L vs Kira. It's like.. I haven't word for it.

AND THX L-E FOR MAKING THIS, I LOVE YOU <3




IM TREMBLINGG:...::
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 14, 2006, 05:17:14 am
Hahaha, crazy for the good.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: gaudiora on October 15, 2006, 04:43:49 am
beloculus recently showed me the first two episodes of Death Note and I was pleased.   :D   However, I struggled to read the subtitles at some points because of the white serif font used, even in the second episode when the subtitles were completely opaque.  I would prefer a sans serif, "traditional" font for subbing it (yellow font with black borders really is readable) even though it's less pretty.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: bobby6 on October 15, 2006, 05:13:05 am
beloculus recently showed me the first two episodes of Death Note and I was pleased.   :D   However, I struggled to read the subtitles at some points because of the white serif font used, even in the second episode when the subtitles were completely opaque.  I would prefer a sans serif, "traditional" font for subbing it (yellow font with black borders really is readable) even though it's less pretty.

Bleh!  :P Yellow is yucky!  ;) If you don't believe me, look at some of the comments on anidb that various people put about the "awful yellow font" in episode 1 of the toriyamaworld release. I agree that the font should be a bit easier to read... but NOT YELLOW!!!!  ;D
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Post by: Siing on October 17, 2006, 10:29:07 am
This show is awsome, woops butt! Its already a fave of mine (not sure were to place it in my top 10 =/)
Thank you so much for subbing it, and with great subtitles and karaoke too  ;D . Thanks again, this anime omg, everybodys gotta watch Death Note!
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on October 18, 2006, 06:11:39 am
My, my look at the ironical statements made by the fans. Where does that leave us  ??? I like our font. Maybe the white and soft border is being the issue but so far, I've had no problems reading it. I guess it comes back to the same thing: people's taste. I'm having eternal forum accessing issue from home, and I'm pretty sure it's eternal cause it's definitely the computer or some secret cache which I'm not being able to erase. ><

Fuuuu  :'(

So I won't be able to visit the forums much but by the time I visit back, hope to see a many more nice posts.

Thanks guys for supporting us. Episode 3 shall come soon.
(I personally have no idea about the current progress status though.  ;D)

-Tsubasa

P.S Accessing the forums from elsewhere.  :(
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Shruikan on October 18, 2006, 09:17:41 pm
I stumbled upon this Anime and it's so great :O

I mean the art and the whole style is amazing, although a note that kills is kinda questionable I still love it  ;D
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Post by: psychogoatee on October 19, 2006, 10:00:57 am
I have to agree, the text is hard to read over lighter backgrounds. I think a thicker black border is needed around the text, or a different color maybe?  8)
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Post by: bobby6 on October 19, 2006, 10:28:45 am
I have to agree, the text is hard to read over lighter backgrounds. I think a thicker black border is needed around the text, or a different color maybe?  8)

But no yellow right?  ;) Because we all know that yellow is evil!!!! :D
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on October 19, 2006, 06:37:19 pm
Yea and we're Live-eviL.  ::)

-Tsubasa
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Post by: Zizu on October 19, 2006, 08:12:02 pm
I love the show, I already read Volume 1 of the manga, but when I heard that there's gonna be an anime for it, I thought it would be better to wait, and so far, they're not shortting it or anything. But I have a question, will you guys drop the show if it gets licensed? Please don't, cause you're the best subbing group for it. I've checked the episodes of other groups, and they aren't even half good as your sub. ;D

I hope I'm not getting ahead of the show and talking about getting licensed and stuff :P
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 19, 2006, 08:50:34 pm
Thanks but subbing licensed shows is against our rules and regulations and we don't believe in subbing them due to ethical reasons as well. It's a pain for us when we have to drop stuff after they're licensed but can't do anything about it. Live-eviL wouldn't be there if we did continue subbing licensed stuff. We don't want to get Cease and Desist and we generally dislike people who sub licensed stuff as well. L-E is known for subbing the classics generally and our main subbing goal is to sub those series which received no media attention in the west and there's a high chance they'd never get licensed. Our main aim is to bring people subs of those animes which they otherwise would have never had the chance to watch. To read more about our policy regarding subbing licensed shows, please visit this thread:
http://forum.live-evil.org/index.php/topic,881.0.html

Anyways, who knows, if it does get licensed, maybe you'd get rebels from here forming a shadow group over at Rizon to continue subbign DN but that's an insane idea.  ;D

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Zizu on October 19, 2006, 11:26:45 pm
Hehe. well, lets hope it doesn't get licensed before you guys complete it, keep up the good work and thanks for reply. ;D
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Post by: Mit on October 20, 2006, 02:51:23 am
Hello!  I'm new here.  I searched for Live-eviL's website for quite some time (googling wasn't giving me too much luck), and after finally finding it, had to register.

I first wanted to thank you for your great work.  The quality is superb and I also like your translation of things for the series.

I too though have to agree that it's kind of hard to read.  Moreso for me than others most of the time.  I watch all of my anime from my larger TV that I have hooked up to my computer, and when further away from the screen than an average person from a computer monitor, and with the decreased sharpness of a tv, that text gets real difficult to read on light background.

I have no beef with the font though, or the color.  Both are fine.  A simple fix would to just make the border around the font a couple pixels or so thicker, so as to make the text stand out better, as light from bright background almost completely washes out the current border.


Otherwise, thank you for your hard work and effort put into the series, I'm a huge fan of it and glad someone's doing quality work on it.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: bobby6 on October 20, 2006, 06:03:25 am
Yay!!! DN 3 is out! Good job guys, despite our issues this week we still got it our pretty darn fast considering. A round of applause for the dedication of Beloculus and tlynnec who do most of the work. Great job guys! And next week TW is going down!  :P ;) ;D
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 20, 2006, 08:35:52 am
Yay!!! DN 3 is out! Good job guys, despite our issues this week we still got it our pretty darn fast considering. A round of applause for the dedication of Beloculus and tlynnec who do most of the work. Great job guys! And next week TW is going down!  :P ;) ;D

Bobby, bobby, let's be like matured competitors and not bring such stuff over at the public forums.  ;)

-Tsubasa
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Post by: bobby6 on October 21, 2006, 03:54:56 am
Bobby, bobby, let's be like matured competitors and not bring such stuff over at the public forums.  ;)

-Tsubasa

I'm not being mean or immature at all Tsubasa, you have been informed that TW and LE are having a friendly competition in this matter, and if you have watched either our release of episode 2, or TW's release of episode 3, you will realize that these messages are all in good fun, and we say stuff like this back and forth to each other all the time. So please don't fret you pretty little head about it.  ;)  ::)  ;D
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Post by: tlynnec on October 21, 2006, 05:12:43 am
Hehe, I really do need to keep up with this thread. Thanks to everyone who complimented us!  ;D

Two comments about the font from the person responsible for it (me):
1) For everyone who complained about the capital H in ep 1, you'll notice that it has been changed.  Thanks to Yoshu-sama for actaully altering the font for us.
2) Ok, I know that the font is a little hard on light backgrounds, BUT:
      a.  I have increased the opacity. There should now be a noticeble improvement over episode 1.
       b. I am not going to increase the border anymore because it looks like $hit when I do.  Freeze frame and take a good luck at the font and you'll notice that it has uneven edges (that's part of what makes it look cool).  Unfortunately, when you had too much border to fonts with uneven edges, they just end up looking blurry.  Given a choice between a blurry font and a thinner border, I opped for a thinner border.  Does anyone have problems with that??

Hehe, ok, explanation/rant done. 

Lots and lots of hugs for all our fans, especially those of you who came hear to thank us... it makes all the lack of sleep worthwhile!
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Post by: tlynnec on October 21, 2006, 05:13:35 am
P.S.  Girls pwn boys = TW is going down  ;)
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Post by: Mr Pleb Mgoo on October 21, 2006, 05:15:46 am
I'm in love with the karaoke guys, and the translation, and the series!.

Keep up ze' good work!.
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Post by: ginette on October 21, 2006, 07:25:48 am
Hi I'm a newbie. And I love your fansub because you have good translations. However regarding to Death Note, the main character, I wanna double confirm, is his name Yagami Light or Yamagi Raito? Because as I read in the manga, it's Yagami Raito. Please enlighten me if I'm wrong. I've tried few fansub, it's all Yagami Light.
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Post by: naru on October 21, 2006, 10:41:40 am
Just dropping a line to say thanks for ep 3. Keep up the good work  ;D
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 21, 2006, 10:53:00 am
I'm not being mean or immature at all Tsubasa, you have been informed that TW and LE are having a friendly competition in this matter, and if you have watched either our release of episode 2, or TW's release of episode 3, you will realize that these messages are all in good fun, and we say stuff like this back and forth to each other all the time. So please don't fret you pretty little head about it.  ;)  ::)  ;D

What I meant was the leechies don't care if we're having a competition or friendly competition or whatever. They just want their subs. Their coming to this forums and posting proves they're sticking to our releases unless something happens. So this L-E vs TW is an inside thing and if it were to be a TW and L-E joint forum, this gurls pwn boys would have been interesting but here it's like 'wth?' You also gotta realise that most leechies won't know what we mean by girls pwn boys. They'd think LLE pwns the entire male population cause they don't realise it's a battle between sexes. Someone in the asuki Death Note TV thread was saying 'btw, that girls pwn boys at the beginning always makes me snicker'. Then I realised how they had no idea what's going on inside so I offered some explanation. For most people, it's a 'four groups doing it, so so group is the best.' They won't relate one with the other except compare subs.

Hi I'm a newbie. And I love your fansub because you have good translations. However regarding to Death Note, the main character, I wanna double confirm, is his name Yagami Light or Yamagi Raito? Because as I read in the manga, it's Yagami Raito. Please enlighten me if I'm wrong. I've tried few fansub, it's all Yagami Light.

/me sighs.

Naru read the previous posts. Especially pages 2-4. You'd get your answer.

-Tsubasa

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Post by: naru on October 22, 2006, 12:33:17 am


/me sighs.

Naru read the previous posts. Especially pages 2-4. You'd get your answer.

-Tsubasa




I didn't ask that?  ??? Think someone need to get some much needed sleep...lol.(j/k)
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Post by: PlasticYakuza on October 22, 2006, 12:39:56 am

I didn't ask that?  ??? Think someone need to get some much needed sleep...lol.(j/k)

No sleep for tsubie!

*cracks whip*
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Post by: naru on October 22, 2006, 02:41:48 am
No sleep for tsubie!

*cracks whip*

No picking or whipping translators....we need them that is why we keep feeding them cookies.......lol ;D
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 22, 2006, 08:56:45 am

I didn't ask that?  ??? Think someone need to get some much needed sleep...lol.(j/k)

Geez. You wanted to clear your Raito/Light confusion and the previous pages talk all about it.  ::) Who needs the sleep now? >_>

-Tsubasa
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Post by: naru on October 22, 2006, 09:07:16 am
Geez. You wanted to clear your Raito/Light confusion and the previous pages talk all about it.  ::) Who needs the sleep now? >_>

-Tsubasa

Read who you got the quote from....

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Quote from: ginette on October 21, 2006, 07:25:48 am
Hi I'm a newbie. And I love your fansub because you have good translations. However regarding to Death Note, the main character, I wanna double confirm, is his name Yagami Light or Yamagi Raito? Because as I read in the manga, it's Yagami Raito. Please enlighten me if I'm wrong. I've tried few fansub, it's all Yagami Light.



* Tsubasa sighs.

Naru read the previous posts. Especially pages 2-4. You'd get your answer.

-Tsubasa

The quote was from ginette not me....lol........you do need sleep... ;D
*pours you a big cup of good tasting steeming hot coffee and adds a donut (insert favoret flavor here...lol) ;D
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 22, 2006, 09:19:46 am
I don't drink coffee. Gimme a strawberry shortcake.  :-*

Well I just got up but I guess I'll go back to bed. Poor Naru is always misunderstood/victimized in this forum.  :P

-Tsubasa
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Post by: naru on October 22, 2006, 09:26:47 am
I don't drink coffee. Gimme a strawberry shortcake.  :-*

Well I just got up but I guess I'll go back to bed. Poor Naru is always misunderstood/victimized in this forum.  :P

-Tsubasa

And yet I keep comming back....man I must be into pain.....LOL ;D
Can't give you the strawberry shortcake....I ate it ;)
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Post by: tlynnec on October 22, 2006, 09:01:03 pm
hehe. ok, a one line clarification so no one can say it isn't clear:

 Although it is pronounced "Raito" in Japanese, the official English name (aka. in the english manga releases) is "Light." 

If you think of how a Japanese speaker attempting to pronounce "light" will sound, it makes perfect sense.  ;)
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on October 22, 2006, 09:07:48 pm
As for the manga thing, manga translators do what they want. ^_^

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: keepergirl on October 25, 2006, 05:30:54 am
So this L-E vs TW is an inside thing and if it were to be a TW and L-E joint forum, this gurls pwn boys would have been interesting but here it's like 'wth?' You also gotta realise that most leechies won't know what we mean by girls pwn boys. They'd think LLE pwns the entire male population cause they don't realise it's a battle between sexes. Someone in the asuki Death Note TV thread was saying 'btw, that girls pwn boys at the beginning always makes me snicker'. Then I realised how they had no idea what's going on inside so I offered some explanation. For most people, it's a 'four groups doing it, so so group is the best.' They won't relate one with the other except compare subs.
Yup, as a leecher who had no knowledge of the L-E/ TW competition, I can verify that this is all true.

Regardless, much thanks to the ladies here at L-E for bringing us this wonderful anime.  You all do an excellent job on it, and in quite a timely manner as well.  Thanks again!
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 25, 2006, 09:08:56 am
It's three people doing all the work most of the time so yeah we kick ass here at LLE.

-Tsubasa
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Post by: kayryn on October 25, 2006, 01:06:01 pm

Can I just ask (for pure need of knowing when to expect the subs out, as i've yet to notice when the links pop up), when does Death note air?

And I hafta say, I am in awe of the sheer brilliance of L. At the end of episode two, I was sat, staring at the screen for quite some time, thinking "holy hell, this is pure genious in action", though Light is, most certainly, catching up to him.

I cannot WAIT to see L in person (if that ever happens), especially as he's voiced by Yamaguchi Kappei (and I get a little fangirl squeal as I even type that name). I see makings of a shounen-ai coupling, but I'll leave that to me to think about...
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 25, 2006, 04:01:05 pm
Can I just ask (for pure need of knowing when to expect the subs out, as i've yet to notice when the links pop up), when does Death note air?

And I hafta say, I am in awe of the sheer brilliance of L. At the end of episode two, I was sat, staring at the screen for quite some time, thinking "holy hell, this is pure genious in action", though Light is, most certainly, catching up to him.

I cannot WAIT to see L in person (if that ever happens), especially as he's voiced by Yamaguchi Kappei (and I get a little fangirl squeal as I even type that name). I see makings of a shounen-ai coupling, but I'll leave that to me to think about...

Hehe, welcome back to the forums kayryn.  :) It airs Wednesday morning 1 AM JST cause it's no kiddie show. And shounen ai? Already? There goes Sailor Yue...

-Tsubasa

Episode 4 is in progress as you may expect.

-Tsubasa
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Post by: kayryn on October 25, 2006, 11:31:51 pm
The two main characters are rather good-looking (though it's jsut a inferance on L's behalf) and male and both are rather...obscure. Need I say anymore to prove the possible yaoi?
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Post by: bastard-sama on October 26, 2006, 03:31:26 am
if you feel that trying to kill each other is yaoi then yes
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Post by: kayryn on October 26, 2006, 01:07:46 pm
Why yes. Yes I do :D

Although it's not a coupling of mine, I think SasuNaru from Naruto is enough of a point to back me up?
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 26, 2006, 11:14:39 pm
You can only ever hate the one you loved once, vice versa, eh?  ;)

-Tsubasa
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Post by: PlasticYakuza on October 27, 2006, 12:26:37 am
if you feel that trying to kill each other is yaoi then yes

Gundam Wing  ;D
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Post by: OniBlood the LZ on October 28, 2006, 07:25:14 pm
I'm new around here and to death note and I have to say it's one of the best animes I've seen in a long time it has me on my feet waiting for the next death note. So thank you for hard work -Oni the LZ
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Post by: Eric the Grey on October 29, 2006, 12:08:56 pm
I had to stop by the site for another reason, so I thought I'd toss my own personal "thank you" to the team doing this series.  It's looking awesome so far.



 8) Eric the Grey
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Post by: Thanatos on October 30, 2006, 12:41:27 am
Hey all together!

Got to know "Death Note" last week on some video site, directly downloaded the first three episodes and am totally blown away by this fantastic series. I have found some more fans of "Death Note" in the very first days and now we all hunger all the time for a new release...

Right on the way to download Ep. 04 now...

A great thanks to the Ladies of Live-evil for their great work. Saw another fansubbed version of "Death Note" in the meantime and the translation wasn't as good as yours! Go on Ladies! We're waiting for more high quality subbed "Death Note" Episodes from you!

Than
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 30, 2006, 01:07:10 am
Ty,
this is the most relaxing recent popular series thread I've seen in the L-E forums, so different from ID4 or the Tsubasa one. It's nice getting thanks and I really hope people will actually start talking about  the series itself now like we do in anime forums in general. So whatddya think of ep 4 guys?  :D

-Tsubasa
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Post by: Kirstie on October 30, 2006, 03:12:41 am
Heya,

New to these forums, just wanted to say thanks for your time and effort in subbing Death Note. I'm really glad I decided to check it out, heh. I'm loving the show thus far! I don't have much time to post now, so I'll post more later. Thanks again.  ;D
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Post by: kayryn on October 30, 2006, 03:14:22 pm
Haha! Dya remember the whining that occured when episode 26 of Tsubasa was delayed?

Eppie 4 was brill, though I really don't want him, to kill Ray, and yet, I've actually not much of a clue why, but seeing as now, Light's been confirmed as safe, if he kills the guy who was stalking (though YES I know that's not the correct term) him, then they're bound to figure it out. Or at least L will, if the police don't (but that's not the actual reason why I dun want Roy dead...)

I want more L *sulk*
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 30, 2006, 03:57:16 pm
Yeah Light should just stop giving damn to Ray now that he is no longer suspicious of him. Eventually he will bug off. If he goes and kills Ray, God save Light. He has no idea yet about how smart L is. >_>

-Tsubasa
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Post by: bobby6 on October 31, 2006, 05:50:41 am
I agree! It would be an unnecessary and stupid move to kill Ray at this point.  :P It would actually have the reverse effect of bringing suspicion onto Light. I mean he already basically has a "pass" from Ray, so it would be unfathomably stupid of Light to kill him at this point. If he keeps doing super stupid stuff like this I don't know how they can make this series 37 episodes, I'd expect L to catch him within like the first 10!  :o
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 31, 2006, 08:17:10 am
I guess in the case they will spend the the last 30 episodes staring at each other as they do in the OP.  :D ;)

-Tsubasa
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Post by: Nightplague on October 31, 2006, 11:19:37 am
A friend of mine recommended the series so I looked it up, downloaded it and watched. I have to say, it's one of the best anime's I've seen!

Oh, and that about, Light wanting to kill ray, keep in mind that Light has no idea that Ray is about to give up!
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 31, 2006, 01:39:35 pm
Well there were two motives for the bus incident
a) to find out his stalker's identity
b) to kill that criminal in a way such that Ray stops suspecting he is behind it all

So we should be pretty confident that things like the stuff he is been doing will surely cause Ray to give up on him. So I say he knows but is still wanting to have the fun.  :-\

-Tsubasa
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Post by: hostghost on October 31, 2006, 02:34:40 pm
Hi,

I just had to sign on to the forum to give you my humble thanks, the subbing and image quality of Death Note is superb!

And as to the case of Light killing Ray, I don't think that Light had this second motive that you presented Tsubasa. He might have thought so, but I think he was to ocupied with frustration over the intrusion that Ray proved to be.
I do agree that killing Ray is stupid, it will only draw atention to him. Allthough there is still a posibility that Light might rescue himself from tradgedy. Like killing ray in a manner that leaves no clue. Making him walk past a bank while there is a robbery, and as the obedient cop he is he acts to rescue the litle hostage girl and gets shot by the robber. That way there would be no clue as to wheter it was light who did it or not.

Anyway, I am simply shaking with anticipation for episode 5 ;D
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 31, 2006, 02:40:43 pm
Well, if anyone besides him knows that he was the one sent to tail Light, since he got killed despite of not being a bad guy, it is certainly likely to raise suspicions.

Same here, can't wait for episode 5.

-Tsubasa
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Post by: hostghost on October 31, 2006, 06:37:58 pm
Well, if anyone besides him knows that he was the one sent to tail Light, since he got killed despite of not being a bad guy, it is certainly likely to raise suspicions.

You may very well be right, I'm just kinda rooting for light and hope he won't screw up too soon. Let him sail on the wind of godlike powers  8)
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Post by: bobby6 on October 31, 2006, 07:57:43 pm
I just don't want Ray to get killed...  :'( He's such a nice guy so far, and wasn't Light's initial goal to make the world a better place by killing only the bad people? If he kills Ray, he's totally breaking his own rules.  :-\
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 31, 2006, 08:02:14 pm
yea if he gets revealed soon, where goes the thrill of it all?


-Tsubasa
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Post by: kayryn on October 31, 2006, 08:58:29 pm
I got ahold of the manga, and in the chapter where Light's saying he's going to kil all the criminals with a heart attack, he also says he'll make the useless people die of illness. Makes ya think he's a biiiit meaner that he's letting on.

When he is eventually found out, it'll be interesting to see what they'll do to him, as it'll be a bit...*shrug* odd to just...kill him for mass murder, that's that. Who knooows. Maybe they'll join him with his quest for a perfect world!
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 31, 2006, 09:01:31 pm
Or sent him to an assylum for eternity.  ;)

-Tsubasa
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Post by: Shruikan on October 31, 2006, 10:13:39 pm
Hmm, I kinda got to like Ray. It will be kinda wrong for Light to just kill him off now, would'nt it?  8)

I think it won't happen.
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Post by: Tsubasa on October 31, 2006, 10:35:22 pm
Yup like we've been discussing.  :)

-Tsubasa
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Post by: Nightplague on November 01, 2006, 12:58:00 pm
When he is eventually found out, it'll be interesting to see what they'll do to him, as it'll be a bit...*shrug* odd to just...kill him for mass murder, that's that. Who knooows.

Maybe.. stick his eyes out? Well, maybe not that, but make him blind. then he'd be quite harmless ;)

I think he will kill ray shortly. He's to obsessed with not letting anyone pose a threat to him to take any chances.

I also belive he'll get way too tangled up in his own plots soon to keep himself hidden.
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 01, 2006, 01:03:24 pm
This is why us humans aren't *normally* given the power to control each others' lives.  ;)

-Tsubasa
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Post by: kayryn on November 01, 2006, 02:45:40 pm
The manga is amazing. I will not spoil what's to come in the anime.

But I think if something like the Death Note actually existed, it would be quite hard to say what you'd do with it. Hmm...there's a good question! If you had a Death Note, what would you do with it?

but it's very controversial topic, so it's probably best one not discussed.
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 01, 2006, 04:46:13 pm
Well, having a Death Note is of-course a sign that you're getting into something bad. I guess I'll kill someone I really really hate, like only one or two person....still regretting later that I killed them. ~_~---then be done with it and bury it deep somewhere >_>

-Tsubasa
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Post by: hostghost on November 01, 2006, 05:41:42 pm
I think I would start off as a hitman.

"Just put 300.000USD in my bank deposit box. Suply name and a picture of the face of the target. Also any details regarding the suroundings of the death. I will then execute this order within a week."

And then just wait for the money to roll inn =)
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 01, 2006, 05:48:25 pm
I want to kill all the people that have been responsible for Tofu quitting Tsubasa due to IRL crap.  So I really want a Death Note for a day.

-Tsubasa
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Post by: Dominius on November 02, 2006, 10:20:16 am
(new/n00b in the forum :P)

Death note is a great anime, i'm really enjoying it. You are doing a great job with the subs _o_
If i had a Death Note, i'ld be God :P Maybe i would do the same as Light, killing the criminals is a good thing, at least the worse criminals, and those who are 'imune' to human justice.
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 02, 2006, 10:22:33 am
(new/n00b in the forum :P)

Death note is a great anime, i'm really enjoying it. You are doing a great job with the subs _o_
If i had a Death Note, i'ld be God :P Maybe i would do the same as Light, killing the criminals is a good thing, at least the worse criminals, and those who are 'imune' to human justice.

Except Light is overdoing it and killing beyond that.  :(

-Tsubasa
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Post by: Dominius on November 02, 2006, 10:31:34 am
great power brings great evil :P maybe is not good enough to handle such power (and who is? lol). And i kind of understand, he have 'his mission', and to achieve it, he have to survive (if he's discovered he'll die, right?).
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Post by: hostghost on November 02, 2006, 01:52:33 pm
I think that the debate to wether the Death Note can be used for good is quite silly.
Killing is never part of "good". Its maybe part of "better", but not "good".

They should'nt have given us so many characterflaws in Lights character so early in the series, he is kinda damned to failiure from the begining.
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Post by: Kobra.ro on November 03, 2006, 03:56:00 pm
i dunno why noone noticed this yet but for 5 ep. allready (dunno 4 sure bout the fifth cuz i didn't c it yet) u have called Ryuku Ryuk & the worst u've been calling Raito Light ... where does that come from? because raito is the word made by borrowing light from english? ... if it was so then it should have been written in katakana but as u can c in the third ep. (i think that was it) when u get 2 c Raito through Ruku's eyez u c his name written in KANJI & that is only posible with japanese names only ... now i'm not here 2 criticise bcuz i read the manga & it's just 2 great but just seeing Ryuk & Light in every ep. is gettin kind of annoyin' ... i wouldn't want 2 get 2 the last episodes 2 c u still call Raito Light  :-\ ... aanyhow @ least consider this post  .. uz i'm still gonna watch the series but Light just sounds so eeew >_<  ... aanyhow the rest is up 2 u  ;) ... ja na
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Post by: Iterion on November 03, 2006, 06:02:49 pm
Before you rant about the names being incorrect please do some research.  Light is his actual name, and yes it would be pronounced raito and written in katakana.  However, the kanji that you see in the series is a kanji that has one meaning of light.  The subbers are correct in using Light as his name.  The same goes for Ryuk.  Ryuk is what his name was intended to be, but because of the nature of the Japanese language it is pronounced and written in Japanese as ryuku.

Good information can be found on wikipedia here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Note

Edit:
Also, you might want to go to www.jisho.org (http://www.jisho.org) and search for akari.  The one you are looking for is probably the third one down.  Meaning lamplight, light (in general), and brightness.  So Light's name might also be a play on how he is the brightest student in Japan.  Which is quite a crafty thing that the creators of the manga have done.
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Post by: tlynnec on November 03, 2006, 06:25:10 pm
re the discussion about having a Death Note for yourself:

There is an old proverb: "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."  I'd say that says it all, wouldn't you?  ;)
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Post by: suzaku_nomiko on November 03, 2006, 06:35:25 pm
re the discussion about having a Death Note for yourself:

There is an old proverb: "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."  I'd say that says it all, wouldn't you?  ;)

T_T

/me has said that quote a few times in the channels :P

Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: bobby6 on November 03, 2006, 08:15:42 pm
i dunno why noone noticed this yet but for 5 ep. allready (dunno 4 sure bout the fifth cuz i didn't c it yet) u have called Ryuku Ryuk & the worst u've been calling Raito Light ... where does that come from? because raito is the word made by borrowing light from english? ... if it was so then it should have been written in katakana but as u can c in the third ep. (i think that was it) when u get 2 c Raito through Ruku's eyez u c his name written in KANJI & that is only posible with japanese names only ... now i'm not here 2 criticise bcuz i read the manga & it's just 2 great but just seeing Ryuk & Light in every ep. is gettin kind of annoyin' ... i wouldn't want 2 get 2 the last episodes 2 c u still call Raito Light  :-\ ... aanyhow @ least consider this post  .. uz i'm still gonna watch the series but Light just sounds so eeew >_<  ... aanyhow the rest is up 2 u  ;) ... ja na

-1 karma for complaining about something incorrectly because you didn't research first  :P
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: bobby6 on November 03, 2006, 08:16:42 pm
Before you rant about the names being incorrect please do some research.  Light is his actual name, and yes it would be pronounced raito and written in katakana.  However, the kanji that you see in the series is a kanji that has one meaning of light.  The subbers are correct in using Light as his name.  The same goes for Ryuk.  Ryuk is what his name was intended to be, but because of the nature of the Japanese language it is pronounced and written in Japanese as ryuku.

Good information can be found on wikipedia here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Note

Edit:
Also, you might want to go to www.jisho.org (http://www.jisho.org) and search for akari.  The one you are looking for is probably the third one down.  Meaning lamplight, light (in general), and brightness.  So Light's name might also be a play on how he is the brightest student in Japan.  Which is quite a crafty thing that the creators of the manga have done.

+1 karma for setting the guy straight! :D
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Post by: naru on November 04, 2006, 12:59:02 am
re the discussion about having a Death Note for yourself:

There is an old proverb: "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."  I'd say that says it all, wouldn't you?  ;)

 I think Stan Lee said it better...."With great power comes great responsibility." and no I am not a spiderman fan......but I am an X-man fan  ;D
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Post by: Thanatos on November 04, 2006, 03:32:31 pm
There are some things that I was wondering about, when I saw episode no. 5:

1) This episode has no "What happened last time" at the beginning.

2) At the end of the episode, the title of episode 6 is said to be "Diplomacy", which is also the title of episode 5.

Have the Great Ladies of Live-evil any explanations for these things?

Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on November 04, 2006, 04:43:22 pm
i dunno why noone noticed this yet but for 5 ep. allready (dunno 4 sure bout the fifth cuz i didn't c it yet) u have called Ryuku Ryuk & the worst u've been calling Raito Light ... where does that come from? because raito is the word made by borrowing light from english? ... if it was so then it should have been written in katakana but as u can c in the third ep. (i think that was it) when u get 2 c Raito through Ruku's eyez u c his name written in KANJI & that is only posible with japanese names only ... now i'm not here 2 criticise bcuz i read the manga & it's just 2 great but just seeing Ryuk & Light in every ep. is gettin kind of annoyin' ... i wouldn't want 2 get 2 the last episodes 2 c u still call Raito Light  :-\ ... aanyhow @ least consider this post  .. uz i'm still gonna watch the series but Light just sounds so eeew >_<  ... aanyhow the rest is up 2 u  ;) ... ja na

-1 for not looking for a solution in the previous posts before complaining. It's annoying to have people make the same inquiries over and over again.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tfphoenix on November 04, 2006, 06:53:44 pm
Good job on DN ep. 5, can't wait for 6  ;D
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: keepergirl on November 04, 2006, 09:56:13 pm
There are some things that I was wondering about, when I saw episode no. 5:

1) This episode has no "What happened last time" at the beginning.

2) At the end of the episode, the title of episode 6 is said to be "Diplomacy", which is also the title of episode 5.

Have the Great Ladies of Live-evil any explanations for these things?
Well, technically I'm not one of the LLE, but I figured I'd try and give you an answer anyway.  As for point 1, I believe that has more to do with the raw not having one (the episode just may not have had one or the raw they used may not have).  Either way, I'm sure if the raw had had that, it would have been in the release.
As to your second point, I believe that's already been pointed out to some of the staff on IRC.  It was merely a mistake.  Perhaps someone who can read kanji (I can read the hiragana, but not the kanji) would be kind enough to post in here what the title of next week's episode is. 
Anyway, I hope that answers your questions for you. :)
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: tlynnec on November 04, 2006, 10:37:57 pm
ahh shoot!... how did i miss changing the next ep title?

It's "Open Seam"


*pokes the QC team for not noticing*
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: tlynnec on November 04, 2006, 10:39:31 pm
and yes, there was no "what happened last time" in the episode
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on November 04, 2006, 11:54:00 pm
ahh shoot!... how did i miss changing the next ep title?

It's "Open Seam"


*pokes the QC team for not noticing*

Well tly you are a busy person and when you're managing so many stuff together, you can't certainly expect everything to turn out perfect, can you? Trivial mistakes can be dismissed. So don't worry about it.  :D At least we got it our first this week and you've doing an excellent job and improving on it and getting stuff done smoothly so all is good. Best of luck for episode 6!  :D Thanks for bringing DN to L-E and the dedication. I still wish we could do a 0 day release but sexy ladies can't definitely follow Tofu's insane schedules and you got work too, which comes before everything. If we can manage a decent first release at least every other week, it's enough.

As for QC, anyone thought of a post-release QC? Like Thanatos here, leechies can do that.  ;D
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: gumbaloom on November 04, 2006, 11:55:58 pm
For informational puposes I own the vol 11 of the Japanese Death Note manga as does Beloculus owns all of it. If you actually bought the Death Note Manga you would see they provide romaji spellings of the character names in the first couple of pages so I think Miss Beloculus is perfectly capable of ensuring the names are right.

We're not going to argue with the original Mangaka now are we ? :)

-gumbaloom
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on November 05, 2006, 12:19:57 am
Well you don't need to buy the actual mangas to verify that. I got the RAWs from the internet, though I'm not planning to read the manga or anything, and that did the job too. So if people got problem with spellings, they should check the manga out by any means.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: kayryn on November 05, 2006, 09:07:49 pm
The scanlated manga I have starts off calling Light, raito, and Ryuk, Ryuku, but then, after about vol 5, they say they're changing it to the correct "Light" and "Ryuk" so as to go with the mangaka's wishes. So in any terms, Light and Ryuk are the correct names.

EDIT: Just finished watching episode 5, and i have to say, thats gotta be the worst, most annoying ending for an episode.

EVER.

It'd be even worse if I didn't already know what L looked like.

I'm curious as to whether Light making all of these moves is leading to suspicion on his part. I mean, if he hadn't killed Lind L Taylor, then it would've stopped L from deducing he was in the specified area of Japan, and perhaps would've made L doubt if he was actually in Japan or not.

He's covering his tracks while making more, basically.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on November 06, 2006, 05:51:59 am
Death Note might have been licensed, although the licensed is not confirmed (that is, whichever evil company it is haven't officially announced it), it was announced on ANS that it was 'officially licensed to be released America'. We're waiting for it to be confirmed.

Now for episode 5, I must say Light is doing everything to want to make us hate him. Hate the protagonist...dear unfortunate fans.  :( He has turned from a shounen seeking a crimeless Utopia to an absolute serial killer. Let's see what else he does.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: gumbaloom on November 07, 2006, 01:01:53 pm
Just so theres no doubts, as soon as there is news about a Death Note license from a reputable news source and not somebody that likes to indulge in tabloid journalism aka AnimeNewsService L-E will drop this project.

By this I mean, as soon as announcement appears on either AnimeNewsNetwork, AnimeOnDVD or Animesuki removes torrents for Death Note. Any 1 of those 3 happening = Death Note dropped.

-gumbaloom

PS It wouldnt surprise me if Viz has it considering they're releasing the manga and they have experience with Bleach and Naruto
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on November 07, 2006, 04:34:58 pm
I guess people will now like to talk about how it can't be Viz, they suck, they don't deserve to do Death Note. Well, the best of the stuff out there get licensed by thr worst anime companies out there most of the time. Full Moon by Viz....ewww.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Thanatos on November 08, 2006, 11:02:39 am
ahh shoot!... how did i miss changing the next ep title?

It's "Open Seam"

Don't worry, it's no problem for me, was just wondering. Thx for the information about the correct title.

Quote from: Tsubasa
As for QC, anyone thought of a post-release QC? Like Thanatos here, leechies can do that.

If you are really interested in post-release QC I will see what I can do. I'll report mistakes if I see them.

And no matter what: Your subs are great work!   ;D
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: bond4154 on November 08, 2006, 11:18:12 am
As to your second point, I believe that's already been pointed out to some of the staff on IRC.  It was merely a mistake.  Perhaps someone who can read kanji (I can read the hiragana, but not the kanji) would be kind enough to post in here what the title of next week's episode is.

I can read kanji. Why? Because I'm Chinese. XD

Seriously, though. There's no perfect Japanese-Chinese Kanji conversion, as the words are used in different subtle undertones in either language. Not to mention not all of the episode titles come out in kanji anyways. But I'll entertain you guys for a bit.

(contains kanji; should try Japanese Shift-JIS or Chinese Traditional Big5 encoding)

Episode 5
驅引 Drive/Bait

Episode 6
I don't actually understand the Hiragana after it, but as for your kanji...
绽 Burst/Split
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Sindobook on November 08, 2006, 06:44:46 pm
By this I mean, as soon as announcement appears on either AnimeNewsNetwork, AnimeOnDVD or Animesuki removes torrents for Death Note. Any 1 of those 3 happening = Death Note dropped.
Animesuki has not been accurate in the past, look at what happened with Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch for example.  The other two are fine, but I would disregard Animesuki as a reliable source.

As for Viz, they have been doing mangas since the 90s and anime since not too long after (Ranma 1/2 for example).  Despite being one of the early players in the market, and constantly trying to grow along with the market, newer players like Tokyopop (for manga) and ADV (for anime) have always been able to outdo them. 
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Post by: bastard-sama on November 08, 2006, 08:50:28 pm
Quote
Animesuki has not been accurate in the past, look at what happened with Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch for example.

for MMPPP it was a drop in license so you cant say that it was their fault that adv dropped the license :D
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: keepergirl on November 08, 2006, 09:09:19 pm
I can read kanji. Why? Because I'm Chinese. XD

Seriously, though. There's no perfect Japanese-Chinese Kanji conversion, as the words are used in different subtle undertones in either language. Not to mention not all of the episode titles come out in kanji anyways. But I'll entertain you guys for a bit.

(contains kanji; should try Japanese Shift-JIS or Chinese Traditional Big5 encoding)

Episode 5
驅引 Drive/Bait

Episode 6
I don't actually understand the Hiragana after it, but as for your kanji...
绽 Burst/Split
Actually, Tlynnec already posted the total translation of it (on the previous page, I believe).  So the title of episode 6 is "Open Seam."
Thanks though! ^^

Regarding the possible licensing, I would prefer it not to be Viz, as they tend to take an extremely long time to finish a series.  Some of their practices have gotten better though, so they're not that bad.  And their dubs tend to be okay- not great, but not as bad as some companies'.  What worries me more is that Viz currently has their hands full with some long series, like Naruto, Bleach, and Full Moon.  In addition, they're still releasing InuYasha.  So I'd prefer it to go to a company that doesn't have so many high-profile series going on, with the hopes that DN releases might come a bit quicker and be top-notch.  But I suppose we shall see, especially since we don't even know for sure that it was licensed yet...
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: bobby6 on November 09, 2006, 07:52:02 am
Viz STILL isn't done with Inuyasha! :o That's like rediculous. I didn't realize they were that slow... Thats just sad.  :-\
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Post by: bastard-sama on November 09, 2006, 08:21:36 am
inu is 160ish episodes it would take a while for most :D
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 09, 2006, 08:39:00 am
Bye bye to Death Note if Viz licenses it then, by the time you'd get to watch it, you're gonna have to watch PokeMon with your little kids.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: keepergirl on November 09, 2006, 07:03:47 pm
Yeah, I just checked Viz's website and their latest InuYasha release was volume 47, which contains episodes 139-141.  As bastard-sama said, IY is 167 episodes, so it's a lot longer than DN anyway.  But Viz's releases of IY have definitely sped up recently (volume 47 was released in Oct., and they've slated the next two DVDs for November and December).  My main concern about this was that since Viz has a number of extremely popular titles they're releasing right now, they may not have the resources to give DN the proper treatment it deserves.

-Just another note about why they've taken so long with IY.  The DVDs for IY contain, for the most part, only three episodes each.  This is a practice I believe they have since done away with for their new releases.  The Full Moon DVDs have four episodes each, as do the Hikaru no Go (yet another popular title) and Naruto DVDs.  So Viz is learning and mending their former poor practices, which is why I don't despise them like many do.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: suzaku_nomiko on November 09, 2006, 07:34:32 pm
VIZ is the FREEKING TOUCH OF DEATH.  to any Anime title they pick up.

/me hates them

RIP.

full moon wo sagasite   :'(
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Post by: Mime on November 09, 2006, 08:10:05 pm
Pff...  :-[

I'm happy to know that these series are going to be licensed because they deserve it, but it's a pity because you were doing a really good work.

And all the people like me, living in countries where it's not licensed, are going to bother...  >:(

Anyway, thanks a lot. It's so sad how very often the fansubs are much better than the licensed version... at least in many cases I know.

EDIT: OMG, my avatar looks huge!!  :o It's a problem of my computer or I have to resize it? Days ago it didn't look like that.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: suzaku_nomiko on November 09, 2006, 08:40:18 pm
Pff...  :-[

I'm happy to know that these series are going to be licensed because they deserve it, but it's a pity because you were doing a really good work.

And all the people like me, living in countries where it's not licensed, are going to bother...  >:(

Anyway, thanks a lot. It's so sad how very often the fansubs are much better than the licensed version... at least in many cases I know.

EDIT: OMG, my avatar looks huge!!  :o It's a problem of my computer or I have to resize it? Days ago it didn't look like that.

Don't write it off yet..
as of now..
 There is no news yet.

And so it still is fair game till... to quote Gum..


"As soon as announcement appears on either AnimeNewsNetwork, AnimeOnDVD or Animesuki removes torrents for Death Note. Any 1 of those 3 happening = Death Note dropped."


If it does get picked up I hope it is any one BUT VIZ.
I will NEVER forgive them for what they have done to Ranma.
The broken promises. and the wasted effort with them.
but that is another long and ugly story.
 
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: kayryn on November 09, 2006, 09:58:07 pm
I hafta say, for me, licenses aren't actually much of a worry. So many groups still do licensed projects, so there's really not much of a problem anymore.

Which is GOOD, but BAAAAD. In it's own way. Good for leechers, who dont' give a damn about being legal in their actions, and bad for...I forgot who it was bad for.

Some examples would be Blood+. Three groups did that ones (one is STILL doing it), and Naruto, which is very licensed, as far as things go, It's airing and such, and DB continues to do it. i think Mirage picked it up, too, so that's two teams for that one.

So, even though a license means that my favourite fansub group doesn't do it (though is perfectly within it's juristiction to do so), there's a high chance that there'll be another group continuing it, or picking it up.

Has for dubs, Ihave no love for them, so therefore have no idea what companies are good and which are bad
 *finishes her 2 cents*
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: daisybrownlock on November 10, 2006, 02:53:50 am
Any idea when 6 will be out?  I really can't wait to see how they animate L.  He's drawn so fascinatinly in the mangas...
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Post by: twik on November 10, 2006, 08:24:33 am
Y'all do a great job subbing this.  I can't wait to see how he games the note next.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on November 10, 2006, 08:33:23 am
Viz in the NA dubbing World = Shitsen in the fansubbing world

That's how you summarize it.  ::) (  >:( &  :'( )

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on November 10, 2006, 08:36:53 am
Any idea when 6 will be out?  I really can't wait to see how they animate L.  He's drawn so fascinatinly in the mangas...

It'll be out when it's out and you know when we are normally likely to 'out' it so no more questions about this please.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: seraph on November 10, 2006, 10:58:04 am
Thanks for the effort! Here's a small request to the subbers.

Is it possible to sub the opening episode title somewhere other than between the 2 jap characters? It looks really... cramp, especially when you have long titles (e.g. Ep.06's "Opening Seam"). Why not put them above or below the characters? There's plenty of space after all.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on November 10, 2006, 08:13:58 pm
Hmmm, I like it fine the way we're doing it.  :-\

-Tsubasa
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 10, 2006, 08:40:20 pm
Oh, I forgot to say this:

Since DN is likely to be licensed in the near future and mikala, our server administrator, will be away for a while, DN has been pulled off from the following L-E serving bots:
L-E|Parmenion
L-E|Fireball
L-E|Emma

Please get your DN fix from L-E|Elilin and L-E|Matsumoto for now.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: keepergirl on November 10, 2006, 09:41:20 pm
Which is GOOD, but BAAAAD. In it's own way. Good for leechers, who dont' give a damn about being legal in their actions, and bad for...I forgot who it was bad for.
It's bad for the licensing companies, who lose out on money.  That in turn makes it bad for those of us who do buy DVDs, because licensing costs are expensive and if companies don't make money they can't afford licensing costs.  Plus, the DVD prices then go up to try and make up for those people downloading licensed shows.  So essentially, the people who sub and download licensed shows are not only hurting the companies, they're hurting their fellow anime fans. 
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 11, 2006, 12:03:15 am
Yeah it's all business. -_-

If they spend so much money on the license they could at least make their dubs good and release r1s comparable to the r2s.  >:( Or is that virtually impossible?  ::)

-Tsubasa
Title: death note 6
Post by: lovejai on November 11, 2006, 01:12:03 am
direct download L-E

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZYCEIJLF

for more direct download @ irc.enter.game.com #live-evil
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Post by: Thanatos on November 11, 2006, 01:13:53 am
DN 6 is out and great work! I'm totally exicted how the story will go on...

About the torrent: Still seeding it... after I could download it by myself with bittorrent in only 15 mins!  :o ... But seems there are not much more seeders at the time... We need more seeders! Come on guys, leave the bittorrent client open at least for one hour after the download finished! ...



Title: Re: death note 6
Post by: Tsubasa on November 11, 2006, 01:18:13 am
yeah channel topic full, spam your URLS here,  ::)

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on November 11, 2006, 03:47:12 am
Well it's fixed now.  :)

-Tsubasa
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Post by: Kamui42 on November 11, 2006, 01:09:30 pm
I love the fansub so far!
-fangirl squeak-
You guys do such a great job when you sub. The font especially makes me happy. I wouldn't ever get my DN subs anywhere else!

Thank you so much, girls!

p.s. -whisper- Death Note movie -whisper-
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Post by: kayryn on November 11, 2006, 02:04:24 pm
You know, at first, I thought that having Yamaguchi Kappei as L was a good choice on the behalf of whoever chose the voice actors.

After reading the manga some, and finally seeing L in the anime, I change my view.

It wasn't a good choice, it was perfect. There is quite simply no one who could have done L so well, and what with all the other obscure and eccentric characters he's played (Ryuichi Sakuma backs my point up severely), it's great to see that they realised that this character was pretty much made to be voiced by him. 

<3 I'm such a Kappei fangirl.

And an "L" fangirl for that matter. He's so adorable....in his own little way.
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on November 12, 2006, 12:28:34 am
This place is full of L fangirls.  ;D  :-[

-Tsubasa
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Post by: tlynnec on November 12, 2006, 12:49:13 am
nothing wrong with L fangirls.  Need I point out that the show is being fansubbed by Ladies? And at least some of us are unabashed L fangirsl...  ;)
Title: Re: death note 6
Post by: tlynnec on November 12, 2006, 12:50:25 am
*sigh* this should be in the main death note thread
Title: Re: death note 6
Post by: Tsubasa on November 12, 2006, 01:13:06 am
Yeah talk about unnecessary new threads. Maybe we'll have this topic merged. What do you guys think about a DN sub forum?  ;D

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: beloculus on November 12, 2006, 01:21:21 am
*Beloculus points to the secret message in the opening of DN6*

L fangirls? US? Noooo....never.... ;)

I love L...he's just so adorable in his own little way, not to mention how freakin' brilliant he is. If they ever make an L plushie, I'll be the first in line to buy it.

mmmmmmmmm.....L.....
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Post by: keepergirl on November 12, 2006, 02:45:06 am
I'm proud to say that I'm not an L fangirl! 

I just really don't find him appealing in the least.  His intelligence and skills of deduction are admirable, but he just doesn't have that spark of excitement about him.  I realize it's the unpopular opinion here, but I find Light to be much more exciting and interesting than L.  I'd buy a Light plushie, but I don't think most companies make plushies out of killers...
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Post by: Draconis on November 12, 2006, 03:08:43 am
  I realize it's the unpopular opinion here, but I find Light to be much more exciting and interesting than L.  I'd buy a Light plushie, but I don't think most companies make plushies out of killers...

For the most part I have to agree with keepergirl, I enjoy the presence of Light more than L BUT as we all are aware of the realtionship between the two is what makes Death Note what it is...the eye dropping...drooling phenomenum we all love.
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Post by: tlynnec on November 12, 2006, 03:46:20 am
For the most part I have to agree with keepergirl, I enjoy the presence of Light more than L BUT as we all are aware of the realtionship between the two is what makes Death Note what it is...the eye dropping...drooling phenomenum we all love.

EXACTLY ... *applauds*
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on November 12, 2006, 07:34:59 am
/me applauds too.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Draconis on November 12, 2006, 06:32:06 pm
 thank you ;) far too kind ...
and thanks again Live-Evil for subbing this in such a timely fashion...

I'll be drooling in anticipation of the next.
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Post by: sosanimeboy on November 13, 2006, 06:28:30 am
Why does it seem like the last two pages were mostly about being in love with L and/or Light?

Probably cuz IT FRIGGIN WAS.

-_-
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on November 13, 2006, 06:58:04 am
Anyone is in in love with light? oO;; I thought we were all in love with L?  :o

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: lindewell on November 13, 2006, 11:33:37 am
I wouldn't say i'm a Ryuk lover but i have to say he's very funny though he deosn't talk a lot.

Btw about the licence issue:
It's bad for the licensing companies, who lose out on money.  That in turn makes it bad for those of us who do buy DVDs, because licensing costs are expensive and if companies don't make money they can't afford licensing costs.  Plus, the DVD prices then go up to try and make up for those people downloading licensed shows.  So essentially, the people who sub and download licensed shows are not only hurting the companies, they're hurting their fellow anime fans. 

I don't consider it's our duty to feed business companies. The truth is we don't need them but they need our money.
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Post by: Kamui42 on November 13, 2006, 11:47:08 am
Anyone is in in love with light? oO;; I thought we were all in love with L?  :o

-Tsubasa

I love Raito a lot more than L.
That makes me a Raito fangirl then.
heh heh
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Post by: kayryn on November 13, 2006, 07:32:48 pm
I loved Light. Before I got to about volume 7 of the manga.

And jsut to go back to a previous point, can we see the yaoi NOW? at all??
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Post by: keepergirl on November 13, 2006, 09:31:49 pm
I don't consider it's our duty to feed business companies. The truth is we don't need them but they need our money.
I personally appreciate the companies bringing anime here to the US.  I would much rather watch anime on my TV than on my computer monitor, not only for comfort reasons but also for the better visual quality.  R2 DVDs are out for me because my DVD player can't play them (which can be worked around) and because I don't understand Japanese.

Keep in mind, too, that a number of Japanese companies produce anime with the financial aid of American companies.  So if the American companies go bankrupt, that's also hurting the original producers of the anime we love so much.
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Post by: hostghost on November 13, 2006, 10:13:19 pm
I personally appreciate the companies bringing anime here to the US.  I would much rather watch anime on my TV than on my computer monitor, not only for comfort reasons but also for the better visual quality.  R2 DVDs are out for me because my DVD player can't play them (which can be worked around) and because I don't understand Japanese.

Keep in mind, too, that a number of Japanese companies produce anime with the financial aid of American companies.  So if the American companies go bankrupt, that's also hurting the original producers of the anime we love so much.


Visual quality is by no means a issue. I watch all my anime on TV, most Pc's have a S-video output, invest 10$ in cables and enjoy!

I also totaly agree that it is not our mission to feed the corporations. I am also truly against dubbing, in most cases. What I do feel is our obligation though is to support the artists (or drawing slaves), and the only way to do that is through buying the DVD's. This is a problem that anti-corporate ideas face in all industries. I have much more to say, both on what the problem is and how to solve it. But this should really be discussed in a different thread, and not in the DN specific thread.

My girlfriend have this fasination for L aswell. Allthough i can see it, i can't apreciate it that much. It might be becouse I haven't got the sexual\cutie\japanese\androgyn\etc. factor playing in, I find that in true character Light is much more intresting, but I think well see this change some during the series.
I hope L gets his psycho out  :D

  -hostghost
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Post by: lindewell on November 14, 2006, 12:14:04 am

My girlfriend have this fasination for L aswell. Allthough i can see it, i can't apreciate it that much. It might be becouse I haven't got the sexual\cutie\japanese\androgyn\etc.

I never new L had this much of a success with girls, he looks like Gakt and a hobo. However he has the true light in his heart.
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Post by: keepergirl on November 14, 2006, 03:51:27 am
Visual quality is by no means a issue. I watch all my anime on TV, most Pc's have a S-video output, invest 10$ in cables and enjoy!
Meh, visual quality still wouldn't be as good as it is on an official DVD. 
Besides, I much prefer using my DVD player as I can turn it off or on and skip through whatever without ever having to get off my bed. :P
I definitely agree with the sentiment of wanting to support the creators though.
(And with the statement that this whole debate is off-topic in this thread.)

Meh, L really isn't attractive to me.  My first thought when I saw him was, "He looks like an otaku."  Light looks much more normal, and he definitely wins in the personality department as well.
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 14, 2006, 04:33:58 am
If anyone cares, R2 DVDs are teh best. They're better than R1s in every way, mostly as you guys are saying 'visual quality'.  Plus Japanese problems got no problem with us for fansubbing so yay.

So yeah the NA licensing companies are a bunch of unwelcomed rats.  >:(

/me curses them. 

 :'(

-Tsubasa
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Post by: twik on November 14, 2006, 06:11:21 am
I love the plot and characters in this series so much so that I'm beginning to see it as a great detective drama that just so happens to be anime.  I was wondering if anyone could recommend any other series that are similarly enjoyable.
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 14, 2006, 06:54:10 am
Well nothing is similar to Death Note you bet. I am not really the person who will know if you like series with lots of actions...cause I hate them.  :(

But if you want a 'dark series' to be recommended. Try Ghost Hunt or Black Blood Brothers. These are more of horror stuff than detective though.

-Tsubasa
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Post by: tlynnec on November 14, 2006, 07:40:32 am
And jsut to go back to a previous point, can we see the yaoi NOW? at all??

Does this count?
(http://sleeptime.jpg)

I would identify the artist.. but I have no idea who it is!  If anyone does, please let me know so I can credit them!
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 14, 2006, 07:43:53 am
Oooo, that's a cute pic you got there.  ;D

-Tsubasa
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Post by: sosanimeboy on November 14, 2006, 07:57:59 am
I never new L had this much of a success with girls, he looks like Gakt and a hobo.

Meh, L really isn't attractive to me.  My first thought when I saw him was, "He looks like an otaku."  Light looks much more normal, and he definitely wins in the personality department as well.

ROFLMAO  ;D
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 14, 2006, 08:05:33 am
Hmmm, the nature of the latest posts in this board just gave me a new idea. I just really hope we get the sub forum thingy going.

-Tsubasa
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Post by: sosanimeboy on November 14, 2006, 08:09:46 am
Say what? Please post all your thoughts or don't post at all...lol
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 14, 2006, 08:19:22 am
Place you votes for your favorite Death Note character here:
http://forum.live-evil.org/index.php/topic,1188.0.html

-Tsubasa
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Post by: kayryn on November 14, 2006, 08:16:34 pm
Does this count?

I would identify the artist.. but I have no idea who it is!  If anyone does, please let me know so I can credit them!

Ten points for you, my friend! Read on in the manga and there's so many yaoi hints... *fangirl*

Aarinfantasy has about twenty DJ's that I've already had a pretty good gander at. <3
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Post by: beloculus on November 15, 2006, 05:40:24 am
Kyaaaa, tlynnec posted the picture I found!!! That's the background image on my cell phone right now.  ;D

As for yaoi hints in the manga....

Handcuffs.

Need I say more?
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 15, 2006, 08:06:01 am
Kyaaaa, tlynnec posted the picture I found!!! That's the background image on my cell phone right now.  ;D

As for yaoi hints in the manga....

Handcuffs.

Need I say more?

How about doujinshis?

-Tsubasa
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Post by: tlynnec on November 15, 2006, 08:26:12 am
handcuffs. that's all we need to know. handcuffs

*blushes like an idiot and dies*
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 15, 2006, 09:38:56 am
I would like to see some yuri too.

-Tsubasa
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Post by: sosanimeboy on November 15, 2006, 12:05:17 pm
/me shakes his head in disbelief...
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 15, 2006, 12:20:48 pm
/me just realised this is the first time Yaoifangirls didn't come out as weird to her.

-Tsubasa
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Post by: lindewell on November 15, 2006, 12:36:48 pm
Let yaoi stuff to yaoi anime, DN is completly free of yaoi except for perverted minds. Btw i don't get why girls are interested in yaoi  ??? :o ???
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 15, 2006, 12:43:44 pm
Maybe seeing two hawt guys battling turned their Yaoi-desiring side on.  ;)

-Tsubasa
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Post by: Draconis on November 15, 2006, 02:19:24 pm
That's one character relationship I don't want a part of the beauty that is DN
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 15, 2006, 04:23:24 pm
I would rather see it as an undying bond.

-Tsubasa
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Post by: hostghost on November 16, 2006, 03:17:37 am
oooooookaaaaayyyyyy..... :o   (And the fact that girls have intrest in yaoi is a fact, must again be something to do with sexual referances with beautifull androgyn japanese guys)

As to series similar to Death Note, there realy is no one like it. But we can't take away "Monster" from the equation. It is also mystery, crime, drama. Allthough I am not sure if I ever saw the end, got lost somewhere in ep 70 or something. It trule had me captured. It's the same production company as with DN I understand? The same nice drawings and especialy the urban scenes (lots european cities). So check it out.

  -hostghost
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Post by: keepergirl on November 16, 2006, 03:29:28 am
Well, I think most girls are only interested in yaoi when it's two hot guys.  Plus, I've always found it amusing when guys mock girls for being interested in yaoi while the guys themselves drool over yuri.  It's the same thing, just with opposite genders.

I was wondering if Monster might fit the bill.  That's one of those series that I downloaded but never watched.  I'll get around to it some day.  I have heard great things about it.
And yes, Madhouse was the production studio behind both Death Note and Monster. 
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 16, 2006, 03:32:01 am
Or maybe we like Yaoi because we have a very huggable Yaoiboy amongst our staff?  ;)

-Tsubasa
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Post by: suzaku_nomiko on November 16, 2006, 03:32:48 am
Let yaoi stuff to yaoi anime, DN is completly free of yaoi except for perverted minds. Btw i don't get why girls are interested in yaoi  ??? :o ???

We are!

Suki na Mono wa Suki Dakara Shouganai!!

In other words!

  I like what I like, so there!
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Post by: suzaku_nomiko on November 16, 2006, 03:36:13 am
Well, I think most girls are only interested in yaoi when it's two hot guys.  Plus, I've always found it amusing when guys mock girls for being interested in yaoi while the guys themselves drool over yuri.  It's the same thing, just with opposite genders.

I was wondering if Monster might fit the bill.  That's one of those series that I downloaded but never watched.  I'll get around to it some day.  I have heard great things about it.
And yes, Madhouse was the production studio behind both Death Note and Monster. 

Monster is DAMN DAMN  good

we are watching it in our Sat viewing group.
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Post by: hostghost on November 16, 2006, 03:40:09 am
Well, I think most girls are only interested in yaoi when it's two hot guys.  Plus, I've always found it amusing when guys mock girls for being interested in yaoi while the guys themselves drool over yuri.  It's the same thing, just with opposite genders.

hehe, yeah. Well it can go the other way too!




It's late at night, my stomache aces.
Sting sings of brand new days, but all I see is everlasting pain.
The shivers won't stop, I cold-sweat and with closed eyes wish for death as revelation.
It's been too long, my mind ain't clear and episodes pass before my eyes.
I await it. I crave it. I want it.

I need my Death Note fix...
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 16, 2006, 03:59:20 am
OK, we need to fix hostghost some DN patches.


patch 1: DN ep 7 tled.txt
patch 2: DN ep 7 timed.ass
patch 3: DN fonts.zip
patch 4: DN ep 7 raw.avi

Now typeset and encode and you got your QC1 fix! :)

patch 5: DN qc help README.txt

Well? repeat and rinse you got RC1!
 ::)
-Tsubasa
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Post by: tlynnec on November 16, 2006, 04:04:24 am
It's late at night, my stomache aces.
Sting sings of brand new days, but all I see is everlasting pain.
The shivers won't stop, I cold-sweat and with closed eyes wish for death as revelation.
It's been too long, my mind ain't clear and episodes pass before my eyes.
I await it. I crave it. I want it.

I need my Death Note fix...

*applauds and goes back to work on the ep*
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Post by: hostghost on November 16, 2006, 04:13:56 am
Thanks for the concern Tsubasa! And as I said in a different thread i really wish i could fix that, but alas. I started my CAD training today and spend most of the day crunching numbers onto a black screen :P

*longs back to the innocense of youth, when one could spend 8 hours a day perfecting ones Counter-strike skills. Or watching every documentary that Discovery could throw my way in a three years period :D*
*Does the responsible thing and patches up Neverwinther Nights 2 and takes a sick leave from school tomorow*
*grin*


"Life is like a breath, as short as the stroke of a pen or a blink of my shinigami's eternal life. So Tsubasa, grab it by the balls and tell us who you are!"
    ;)
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 16, 2006, 04:36:35 am

"Life is like a breath, as short as the stroke of a pen or a blink of my shinigami's eternal life. So Tsubasa, grab it by the balls and tell us who you are!"
;)

I am L-E's own little forum addict and my job is to keep these forums active.  ;D

-Tsubasa
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Post by: twik on November 16, 2006, 05:46:15 am
Thanks for the suggestions everyone.  I will try to check out Monster sometime.
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Post by: woonie on November 16, 2006, 05:47:54 am
I already read all 12 books of the manga series, but though i already know the storyline by heart, it's quite a different experience seeing it in the anime form, and the bgsound provides a different effect compared to just viewing it as a manga. So glad that y'all decided to make a fansub for this anime series. well done! XD
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Post by: sosanimeboy on November 16, 2006, 05:49:30 am
woonie, you posted the exact same post in the L vs Light thread. This is pathetic.
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Post by: woonie on November 16, 2006, 05:53:00 am
I posted in the wrong thread just now. \= anyway, i've edited it. go check. =)
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 16, 2006, 05:55:08 am
I posted in the wrong thread just now. \= anyway, i've edited it. go check. =)

ROFLMAO

-Tsubasa
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Post by: lindewell on November 16, 2006, 11:05:33 am
As far as i know this is not a yaoi anime  :)
Period.

To talk about this anime/manga i was wondering what were the other works of the author and here's what i found in wikipedia:

Tsugumi Ohba (大場つぐみ Ōba Tsugumi) is a manga writer. As Death Note, the author's only work to date, is suspiciously well-written for a debut work, it is suspected that "Tsugumi Ohba" is only a pen-name for a more famous author.



I would say the true author could be the author of Detective Conan regarding the complex plot, what do you think about it?
I've seen a few episode of Conan and i noticed the investigations were very weird, just like what happen in death note.
Thanks God, it's not a Clamp's work, sorry suzaku_nomiko  :D
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 16, 2006, 11:13:22 am
You got other people to say sorry too. >_> Ahem.

Anyways, yes that name of the author is clearly a nickname. Makes me think of translators-in-hiding who want to start all over again in a new group.

-Tsubasa
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Post by: lindewell on November 16, 2006, 11:16:24 am
Too many Yaoi fangirls in this forum... :o
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 16, 2006, 11:53:49 am
Well I personally was talking about being a CLAMP fan.

As for Yaoi, yes there are some Yaoi fangirls, mostly us LLE staff ourselves.  ;)
We have our own Yaoiboy too and I personally am a big fan of him  :D although not yaoi in general. I don't mind it or anything. If people do find this Yaoi pair-up appealing, I can see where they're coming from.

-Tsubasa
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Post by: keepergirl on November 16, 2006, 09:57:52 pm
As far as i know this is not a yaoi anime  :)
Period.
And Ichigo Marshmallow wasn't hentai, but I'm sure you can find numerous fanfics out there that involve these severely underage girls involved in all sorts of activities (and I'll bet some of those will even be yuri).  The point I'm trying to make is that people have imaginations and will often put characters from shows they enjoy into situations that entertain them.  It's not hurting anyone, so it doesn't really matter. 

Honestly, I'm not even a yaoi fangirl.  I don't read fanfic.  I have watched some shounen-ai (technically yaoi, but no actual sex scenes) anime.  Some of it's crap, some of it's good.  To me, it all depends on the story it's telling.  The plot and development (both plot development and character development) within the anime are the most important things, and those can be either good or bad in yaoi, yuri, or ordinary shows.

I do think most of us here are huge fans of Yaoiboy though. :)

I also like Clamp, or at least, what I've seen of their stuff.
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 17, 2006, 05:14:48 am
/me is a CLAMP girl too.  :o

-Tsubasa
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Post by: Draconis on November 17, 2006, 11:21:20 am
yes yes yes it is here!!!!...now to get home and space out for 22 minutes yippie!!!


P.S. I'm at work and someone disable program to control home computer remotely grrr...
Thanks again for the great fansub
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Post by: lindewell on November 17, 2006, 12:21:15 pm
Thinking about L's eyes, is it possible that he has Shinigami eyes??   ::)
That would explain why he doesn't rest, like he was in a hurry.
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 17, 2006, 12:52:28 pm
His eyes make him look like a geek.

 ::)-Tsubasa
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Post by: Draconis on November 17, 2006, 03:55:13 pm
If that's the case then I don't mind being a geek.
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 17, 2006, 03:59:28 pm
You got L's eyes? oO oO oO

-Tsubasa
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Post by: kayryn on November 17, 2006, 07:00:23 pm
In response to those who have said "DN is not a yaoi series"

Ever heard of Fanon? interpretation? The fact that we don't see EVERY SECOND of the character's lives means we CAN fill in the gaps with whatever we want. Or read into things to much.

And also, I've actually picked up a few habits of L's.... Biting my nails, or chewing on them harmlessly, as I'm trinyg to grow them (though it's hopeless T_T) and sitting funny when I'm doing my homework.

Also been on a bit of a sugar binge recently. I'm so easily manipulated.

If L HAD shinigami eyes, he'd know who Kira was, or at least know how Kira was killing, as only the owner of a DN at the time can make that deal. Those who have read the manga will knowanother reason why. :D

I says it once again, he dun sleepies! And the pandaness amkes him look pretty darn cute...
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Post by: lindewell on November 17, 2006, 07:16:15 pm
You took L's bad habits?
Beware if you don't want to find yourself like that someday:

(http://web.mit.edu/skuld/www/pics/DeathNote/raito-l01.jpg)

Btw you can fill the moment in Land Light's lives when we don't see them with whatever you want, it's just your imagination.
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 17, 2006, 07:19:46 pm
Well, I already had L's habits for over five years now, biting my nails, chewing harmlessly on them, sitting on the floor, if the way he sits, when i eat in a chair or even sofa, I normally sit like him and *sometimes* talk like him. I am as grim as him too and ever since I joined L-E, I've shifted my sleeping hours to daytime so that I can attend to any needs over the normal fansubbing hours which correspond to my sleeping hours so I am getting dark circles as well. ~_~ But yes they're NOTHING close to L's horrible ones thank god....pretty much normal and not really visible when I have my glasses on. Yeah as L-E will also agree, I am also childish and stubborn and 'hate to lose' like him. I've often been called an obsessed geek. ><
-Tsubasa
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Post by: suzaku_nomiko on November 17, 2006, 08:48:50 pm
Too many Yaoi fangirls in this forum... :o

WE ARE EVERYWHERE BABY!

 :P :P

/me does the YAOI YAOI dance!

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Post by: Draconis on November 17, 2006, 10:12:01 pm
* wipes drool from chin and closes mouth* yup ep 7 was awesome...can't wait till it picks up even more to where the manga is at right now.

That guy in pick looks even more strange...oh yeah and I'm not a fan of Cosplay cause I feel once you try to live the fantasy it can longer be what it was.
~tsubie:
not sure what to say about that but I think only you can say it just right
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Post by: kayryn on November 18, 2006, 12:48:45 am
WE ARE EVERYWHERE BABY!

 :P :P

/me does the YAOI YAOI dance!



/me joins in!
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Post by: lindewell on November 18, 2006, 01:22:54 am

/me does the YAOI YAOI dance!



I want to see that, PIX NAO.
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 18, 2006, 03:19:52 am
~tsubie:
not sure what to say about that but I think only you can say it just right


 ???

Well long as it isn't apparent to the public.

-Tsubasa
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Post by: Golgo 13 on November 18, 2006, 03:34:16 am
Meh, visual quality still wouldn't be as good as it is on an official DVD. 
Besides, I much prefer using my DVD player as I can turn it off or on and skip through whatever without ever having to get off my bed. :P

That's why I re-encode the fansubs to MPEG-2 format, compensate for overscan, and author the episodes by setting up chapter points and such.

So not only can I watch my favorite subs on my TV, but I get to control where the scenes start and end at as well.
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 18, 2006, 03:43:55 am
That's why I re-encode the fansubs to MPEG-2 format, compensate for overscan, and author the episodes by setting up chapter points and such.

So not only can I watch my favorite subs on my TV, but I get to control where the scenes start and end at as well.

Nice going.  :)

-Tsubasa
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Post by: keepergirl on November 18, 2006, 05:29:56 am
That's why I re-encode the fansubs to MPEG-2 format, compensate for overscan, and author the episodes by setting up chapter points and such.

So not only can I watch my favorite subs on my TV, but I get to control where the scenes start and end at as well.
See, all that?  Yeah, way too much work.  Much easier to go to a video store (or even better, buy online) and pop the DVD in the player.

As DN goes on, my admiration for Light continues to grow.  My dislike of L's eyes also continues to grow.
You know, none of these innocent people would have died in the first place if the police and L hadn't made 'Kira' out to be their enemy in the first place.  Just a thought.
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Post by: twik on November 18, 2006, 06:28:00 am
As DN goes on, my admiration for Light continues to grow.  My dislike of L's eyes also continues to grow.
You know, none of these innocent people would have died in the first place if the police and L hadn't made 'Kira' out to be their enemy in the first place.  Just a thought.

You may be right, but then we'd have a boring series where a kid studies for exams and kills prisoners in his spare time.  Then again, we cannot forget that innocent people may occasionally become prisoners as well.  Light kills them without a second thought, treating them no better than lab rats in scientific experiments.  His downward spiral into evil is what makes this show so compelling for me to watch. 

Kudos to the L-E team.  Another job well done.
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Post by: sosanimeboy on November 18, 2006, 07:56:30 am
I'm going to really miss Naomi-chan.....I was rather enamoured of her.
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Post by: beloculus on November 18, 2006, 08:19:24 am
::spoiler deleted:::

Suffice to say, I wasn't overly happy with the end of the last episode. ^^;;;

 Oh well, I guess it's all in a day's work when you're an evil genius, ne?
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Post by: DenisKoh on November 18, 2006, 11:38:06 am
but did he really have to kill Naomi-san? :( Oh well, I guess it's all in a day's work when you're an evil genius, ne?

Yes he had to, otherwise he will be suspected
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 18, 2006, 11:39:58 am
People, shouldn't it be a common sense that you don't let out spoilers in forums? ~_~

-Tsubasa
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Post by: kayryn on November 18, 2006, 12:40:35 pm
You may be right, but then we'd have a boring series where a kid studies for exams and kills prisoners in his spare time.  Then again, we cannot forget that innocent people may occasionally become prisoners as well.  Light kills them without a second thought, treating them no better than lab rats in scientific experiments.  His downward spiral into evil is what makes this show so compelling for me to watch. 

Kudos to the L-E team.  Another job well done.

I think he places judgement on them. He's often said he only killed someone ebcause they were let free, despite clear evidence against them. With his detectivve skills, I think it would be rather easy for Light to figure out if someone was innocent or not judging his choice on given evidence.

 think the most compelling part for me is seeing how far he's willing to go to be able to keep killing criminals. If you think, in the long run, he might even have to kill his father, as he's also on the investigation team. Would he be willing to go that far? And if he was, I think it'd really prove that he's not actually doing this for himself, but for the world, and is really a good guy, ina a kinda evil way. He's ruthlessly good to an extent.

Also, there are SO many times I've wanted to spoil, but I resisted.  It's quite hard when someone's come up with an idea you KNOW is wrong or something.
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Post by: hostghost on November 18, 2006, 01:38:57 pm
I think he places judgement on them. He's often said he only killed someone ebcause they were let free, despite clear evidence against them. With his detectivve skills, I think it would be rather easy for Light to figure out if someone was innocent or not judging his choice on given evidence.

 think the most compelling part for me is seeing how far he's willing to go to be able to keep killing criminals. If you think, in the long run, he might even have to kill his father, as he's also on the investigation team. Would he be willing to go that far? And if he was, I think it'd really prove that he's not actually doing this for himself, but for the world, and is really a good guy, ina a kinda evil way. He's ruthlessly good to an extent.

Also, there are SO many times I've wanted to spoil, but I resisted.  It's quite hard when someone's come up with an idea you KNOW is wrong or something.

You make some good ponts here.

What I find intresting is that Light takes the role that the law usually have, and the things most of you call barbaric are things the law usually do. The only diffrence is that one person instead of multiple instances condemn the criminals. The reactions of most of you is quite positive since it shows that democracy is going to be the main form of rule for a little while more  :P
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 18, 2006, 01:46:15 pm
Yes I'd appreciate it if this thread is kept spoiler-free  :).

Anyways, let's forget about the manga for a minute and think about what has happened over these seven episodes. I am not justifying Light's killing by any means since I seriously think he need to chill but just saying he didn't really kill that many innocent people as we are making it seem. There were people he killed who weren't exactly criminals but they were either being a source of problem for him and thereby a threat to our future enjoyment of DN  ;) OR generally bad guys who weren't found out yet. So he isn't as horrible as we're making him sound but at this rate still...one day....he'll pay.

-Tsubasa
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Post by: kayryn on November 18, 2006, 04:26:09 pm
Hmm...maybe he believes they're a hindrace to the law,and so is acting like the laws that are already set down. If you (and i can't remember the technical terms in this instant) disrupt the procedures of law, you are arrested.

While, what Light is doing is severe, he may be keeping to those severes, as those people who he kills won't necessarily be on death row, especially not in other countries that dont' inflict the death penalty, and you get killed by him, no amtter what the severity of the crime is. Perhaps defiance of his idea is a crime to him, and so he believes those who are depicted as innnocent are guilty.

In a rather "twisted logic" kinda way, it makes some kinda sense. And he DID only kill 13 innocents (12 FBI + Naomi), not counting the guy L stuck on tv whose name escapes me at this time. And while placing value on someones life isn't right, it's not that many, compared to the hundreds of criminals he's killed so far.

We just htink it is, as we are actually told that all those people died, while he's still killing criminals, even while he's defending his position.

I think at the end of this series, I could write an essay on it. My posts are so looong.
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Post by: jmlz on November 18, 2006, 06:14:12 pm
AHHH CLIFFHANGER EPISODE #7!

But thank you so much L-E girls, for subbing Death Note ^^
Great series and I have to say, beautiful subbing.

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Post by: keepergirl on November 19, 2006, 01:19:03 am
What I find intresting is that Light takes the role that the law usually have, and the things most of you call barbaric are things the law usually do. The only diffrence is that one person instead of multiple instances condemn the criminals.
This was essentially what I was getting at.  I, myself, believe in the death penalty for murderers (and there are a few other crimes that I believe warrant the death penalty but the law disagrees with me here).  All Light started out doing was giving the death penalty to those criminals that the law had already deemed as guilty.  If I remember correctly, those criminals were ones who had committed felonies, not really lesser crimes.  Only later on did his actions go further, eventually leading him to kill others who committed less severe crimes and even innocents.  But that all happened after the police and L had made Light out to be their enemy.

Light's actions in killing criminals really are neither black nor white, neither right nor wrong.  In my opinion, killing the criminals was okay.  Killing the innocent people was wrong, but a wrong that was necessitated by the interference of the victims.  (But still a wrong, nonetheless.)

Perhaps if he hadn't been made out to be a criminal, Light's actions would have helped reduce crime rates, at least in Japan.  (Although, I do see Light as being the type of person who would wipe out crime first, and then start killing those who disagree with him, or those who get driving tickets, and so forth.  I think he loves the power he feels he has through using the Death Note, so I could definitely see him taking things way too far.)
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Post by: twik on November 19, 2006, 01:50:37 am
I can see why some people still think Light is not so bad, but his days of killing criminals for justice are long gone.  Perhaps somewhere in his head he still thinks all he is doing is making the world a better place, but more and more he is acting out of fear of persecution.  The criminals he kills now are used for learning the capabilities of the Death Note rather than fulfilling some sense of duty to the public, and he has shown that he has no problem using this knowledge against innocent people.  Light has shown himself to be a highly intelligent individual.  A truly just person would try to find a way to continue his crusade while evading capture but at the first sign of trouble Light goes on a killing spree.  Are these the actions of a just man?
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Post by: sosanimeboy on November 19, 2006, 02:28:55 am
You've got to realize that he's a high school student tied to his family and he can't just 'evade capture' without being noticed.
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Post by: keepergirl on November 19, 2006, 04:52:18 am
I can see why some people still think Light is not so bad, but his days of killing criminals for justice are long gone.  Perhaps somewhere in his head he still thinks all he is doing is making the world a better place, but more and more he is acting out of fear of persecution.  The criminals he kills now are used for learning the capabilities of the Death Note rather than fulfilling some sense of duty to the public, and he has shown that he has no problem using this knowledge against innocent people.  Light has shown himself to be a highly intelligent individual.  A truly just person would try to find a way to continue his crusade while evading capture but at the first sign of trouble Light goes on a killing spree.  Are these the actions of a just man?
I don't think Light is a just man.  He started out as a just man, but he has crossed the line to being a killer now.  That doesn't make me respect or admire him any less.  I've always found the "bad guys" in shows to be more interesting than the good guys.  Light never disappoints me with his intelligence and organization.  Episode 7 showed us the he's very good at cleaning up his messes.  These are all characteristics that I admire.  So as it stands right now, I support Light more than L. 
My points above were to demonstrate that Light only began killing innocent people after "the law" had started going after him.  But I also said that killing innocent people is wrong. 
Do I think Light's a killer?  Yes.  Do I hope he gets caught?  No.  I enjoy watching him and trying to figure out what he'll do next.  He's intelligent, rational, and an overall entertaining character.

(By the way, I also agree with sosanimeboy.  Light needs to go on living his ordinary life in order to not draw attention to himself.  However, even just living his ordinary life brought him to the attention of L, since he's related to a police officer.  So it's really not that easy for him to avoid being detected and/or caught.)
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Post by: tlynnec on November 19, 2006, 06:27:14 am
You know, there's an old saying: "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."  To me that's the perfect description of Light's behavior.  When it started out, he truly had good intentions, and I think he still does.  Remember his reaction in the first episode when he realized that he was responsible for Taku's (the biker's) death?  He was genuinely horrified at his own actions. Psychologically speaking he HAD to justify his own actions to himself or be consumed by the guilt.  And it's as he's used his good intentions to justify his own actions to himself that he as gradually crossed over the line.  Since that first moment of self-justification, we've watched him quickly develop a god complex.  That complex is a psychological form of self-preservation: the actions of a god are beyond question of good or evil and therefore require no justification or guilt.

Historically speaking, we've seen this with people who are generally perceived as "evil."  Hitler is a prime example.  When he was elected as president of the Weimer Republic, it was because he preached a doctrine of economic salvation.  His early actions after being elected were in the best interest of the german people and include policies and programs to resurrect the german economy (which had been destroyed by WWI) and improve Germany. But we all know that he too quickly crossed the line.  He used to the salvation of Germany to justify war and murder.  I'm not saying that Light is headed for genocide, but the psychological comparison still stands.

Whoa... didn't mean to write a book. *Shuts up*
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Post by: Draconis on November 19, 2006, 03:37:16 pm
Wow tlynnec, while I normally love to write long though-out ideas and perceptions. I don't think I could have analyzed DN in such a manner. Your perception  and how you drew your conclusion is much more right then wrong to me though...I'm actually proud there are numerous members who can see far beyond plots and backgrounds. But we all enjoy anime so much because it's something that RL viewing can't normally do right?

Kudos to you

Keepergirl, when I was reading " I don't think Light is just a man" I thought you were going to the relm of no longer human...lol I think that's me. The creators and writers have made his character so unique compared to the normal "killer". The only other person that stands out in my mind like that is "Johan" from Monster...and he barely killed anyone, rather used people to kill each other.

It might be wierd to say but by episode 3 Light couldn't do anything "wrong" in my eyes. Sure in society killing is against spiritual and moral living values, but if Light does it...it is somehow justified. I don't have the mind power at the moment to elaborate upon that, but I think some of you can realize how I came to the conclusion.

and on a lighter note....who cares? Death Note is the Shiz and I'll watch no matter what happens
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Post by: kayryn on November 19, 2006, 07:27:26 pm
I don't think that any action can ever be entirely good or entirely bad. Anything you do is near bound to have some negative reflection on someone else.

As of right nwo, in the anime, I see Light as drifting slightly from his previous course, but sitll on the right tracks. I'm sure that as it goes along, we'll see him become much more manipulative (such as lying to Naomi to get her name, playing on the death of her fiancee) to keep himself clear, as L will NOT give up his investigation, and there will be so much more he needs to do as time goes along. The FBI agents are one piece moved and taken in what looks like it's going to be a very long game of chess.

L will have to sacrifice pieces to make Kira show him a weakness (such and Lind L Taylor) while Light will be knowingly setting traps around these sacrifices. What we have is two geniuses trying to outwit eachother, one before he is killed, the other, before he is found.

It is so easy to just keep writing.... Goddamn these plottish stories!
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Post by: hostghost on November 19, 2006, 09:37:45 pm
I never thought Light's actions could be justified. Not even the initial killing of criminals. I am opposed to the death penalty because life is too precious for a single human, or even a collaboration of humans to decide over it. However, I don't find Light's action extraordinary. The US bombing of Bagdhad, Chinas persecution of Falun-gong, Israles launching into Palistine, and Norways sale of cluster-missiles. Actions carried out in the name of good\God that kill and mutilate are carried out all around the world each day.
There is one thing though, one thing that separates Light from all the worlds "justifiers". And that is the fact that he is alone.
Someone mentioned Adolf Hitler as an example of evil carried out in the name of good. Now that image is a bit crooked. The fact that germany managed to unify itself, build an industry that was one of europes finest, create jobs for all, food for all, bring hope to people that felt only remorse and failure. Now that is great work, and this was Hitlers doing in the 8 years before the war. Now this may sound like Nazi sympathy, but far from it. What I am trying to say is that alongside Hitler was a group, no a clan of people. All genius, bright men who had waited for an opertunety  to use their skills. Wich they did not get in the broken-down germany that they grew up in. They where all guilty of the crimes committed. Rommel and Mengele, split decision killing of thousands. Just as governments that deal death penalty it is not a single mans doing. This is where Light differs from the "butcherers".
This is what makes him "God"...




"True persona justice may find,
community alas, is forever blind."


                                                         -hostghost

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Post by: keepergirl on November 19, 2006, 10:13:12 pm
Keepergirl, when I was reading " I don't think Light is just a man" I thought you were going to the relm of no longer human...lol I think that's me. The creators and writers have made his character so unique compared to the normal "killer". The only other person that stands out in my mind like that is "Johan" from Monster...and he barely killed anyone, rather used people to kill each other.
Haha, read carefully.  I said I don't think Light is a just man.  Very different meanings there.  ;)

I feel the need to say that I'm really glad to see these well-thought out posts and people actually analyzing the situations that occur in the episodes, rather than just a bunch of "ZOMG Light sucks!!!111" posts.  And I'm actually surprised that there isn't as much hate for Light as I thought there would be at this point.  (Either that, or the Light-haters aren't speaking up.)

I don't think that any action can ever be entirely good or entirely bad. Anything you do is near bound to have some negative reflection on someone else.
I disagree with this statement.  I, and I hope most rational people, see no good in rape, child molestation, and a variety of other felonies.  Murder is one of the few felonies that sort of has a white side along with the black.
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Post by: tlynnec on November 19, 2006, 10:14:06 pm
I just have to give kudos to everyone here.  I think this is easily the most intelligent DN thread I've read anywhere.  Agree or disagree with each other as we might, the points that people make here are pretty incredible.
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Post by: Draconis on November 19, 2006, 11:05:37 pm
Haha, read carefully.  I said I don't think Light is a just man.  Very different meanings there.  ;)

Doh! That's what i get for reading over 1,000 words per minute.

Yes, im very happry to share this "smart thread
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 19, 2006, 11:46:30 pm
Well, I suppose we could all agree and 'doh' at the obvious fact that Light is one of those kids who thinks that everything is fair in 'justice'...even injustice is justified for the sake of justice, that is. For him, killing is no longer a wrong act now. Even if he does end up killing someone for neither being a bad guy nor a possible threat to him, I doubt he'd panic and go 'OMFG, what did I do this time?'

-Tsubasa
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Post by: kayryn on November 20, 2006, 12:04:10 am

I disagree with this statement.  I, and I hope most rational people, see no good in rape, child molestation, and a variety of other felonies.  Murder is one of the few felonies that sort of has a white side along with the black.

While you may see no good in it, as do I, in fact, those who commit the crimes have to have some motive. It's like saying "I hate this food" but then someone else likes it. It's a difference in opinion, really, and while most may believe it to be wrong, it is not entirely so, as, out of 6 billion people (nearing 7, I believe) there is bound to be a select few who have opposing opinions and, while we say wrong, they say right.

Much like the difference in opinion Light and the police have (getting back to the subject). While Light believes he is justice, L believes that  he is injustice.

That's what I mean by nothing is always entirely right or wrong.
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Post by: lindewell on November 20, 2006, 12:57:40 am
I've just watched episode 7, the show is getinng better and better, there was such a tension during this episode.
But hell, thank you for the ones who SPOILED in the previous page, I knew what was going to happen from the beginning  >:(
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Post by: tlynnec on November 20, 2006, 01:09:41 am
@ lindewell

suggestion: watch then read.  this thread doesn't spoil anything beyond the current ep.
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Post by: lindewell on November 20, 2006, 01:12:22 am
Thank you, that's all I wanted to know, good news  :)

EDIT:I thought i was in the death note movie thread  :D
Ya i won't read before i've watched the current episode next time.
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Post by: Sindobook on November 20, 2006, 02:03:11 am
While you may see no good in it, as do I, in fact, those who commit the crimes have to have some motive. It's like saying "I hate this food" but then someone else likes it. It's a difference in opinion, really, and while most may believe it to be wrong, it is not entirely so, as, out of 6 billion people (nearing 7, I believe) there is bound to be a select few who have opposing opinions and, while we say wrong, they say right.

Much like the difference in opinion Light and the police have (getting back to the subject). While Light believes he is justice, L believes that  he is injustice.

That's what I mean by nothing is always entirely right or wrong.
When it comes to justice, it's a territorial issue.
The cops, the law, the judges, the state; in a 'modern' society those are (supposedly) the sole propietors and dispensors of justice.  When a vigilante or some other party outside that order appears, someone who dispenses justice on his own accord, it does not matter what the vigilante believes or if his brand of 'justice' is the same as the cops' or not.  It does not matter if the vigilante acts for justice at all or for his own selfish needs.  Conflict is inevitable, b'cos he is outside the structure and control of the police, yet he still takes their role.  That his methods are more efficient than the police, it is bound to make the police feel even more threatened by his mere existance.  For one man to become the 'new' police, the 'new' state, the one who ultimately decides who lives and who dies, that is a threat to the modern society on so many different levels.

And there are absolute rights and wrongs in this world, things dictated by nature, things dictated by heaven, etc. 
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Post by: tlynnec on November 20, 2006, 05:45:36 am
And there are absolute rights and wrongs in this world, things dictated by nature, things dictated by heaven, etc. 

Which takes it right back to my point.  Light has developed a god complex. And, because he thinks of himself as a god, he believes that all of his actions fall under the 'absolute right' of "things dictated by heaven."  The question is whether the rest of the world agrees with that perception or not.  ;)
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 20, 2006, 05:58:02 am
OK, eggs bring back life.  ;D

I've grown up believing no one absolutely no one, has rights to take someone else's life other than God himself. So any 'Godly' act commited by a human being will either be treated as wrong or extremely generous act due to having a good heart. Because Godly acts can both be either extremely bad or extremely good. However, when it's good, you get praised because we believe humans can be as good as they are capable of but when it's 'bad' it's immediately classified as wrong and only justifed by those who have been involved in a similar course of action and either have no or little regret. But as tlynnec agrees, the reason why Light doesn't see it as wrong is because he now has a God-like complex and he believes himself to be in possession of the rights to take others' life like God and has no regret and hence no control over it. And for similar reasons, his actions are to some extent justified by many of the members watching DN and following this thread in this forum.

-Tsubasa

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Post by: twik on November 20, 2006, 06:42:01 am
Which takes it right back to my point.  Light has developed a god complex. And, because he thinks of himself as a god, he believes that all of his actions fall under the 'absolute right' of "things dictated by heaven."  The question is whether the rest of the world agrees with that perception or not.  ;)

Indeed, this is the force that has been driving the story for some time now.  Light could have masqueraded as a typical student and fooled even a very committed observer, but instead chooses to kill at the first hint of trouble.  Though he outwardly fears capture, he is not content to quietly rid society of its worst criminals.  I believe the impossible task of reconciling his desire to be recognized with the need to remain anonymous is going to lead him to ever more perilous situations.  It has been interesting to watch his god complex evolve from taunting the authorities, to showing a victim his face, and most recently admitting out loud, "I'm Kira."  To Light, removing those that oppose him is no longer a necessary evil.  It is a victory to be relished.

Early on the question may have been whether the rest of the world agreed with him, but it is becoming clear that even though some of the public may give him the benefit of the doubt, people who have kept a close watch on Light's actions (within the show) do not.  A more interesting question might ask if he IS a god.  Light differs from everyone else with a god complex in that he actually has godlike powers.  Certainly the ability to take life does not necessarily translate into the right to do so, but then again, being a god does not necessitate being good either.
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Post by: tlynnec on November 20, 2006, 07:56:12 am
To Light, removing those that oppose him is no longer a necessary evil.  It is a victory to be relished.
Very good point.  Light's continued evolvement is definitly part of what hooked me to the show and will continue to keep my interest.

A more interesting question might ask if he IS a god.  Light differs from everyone else with a god complex in that he actually has godlike powers.  Certainly the ability to take life does not necessarily translate into the right to do so, but then again, being a god does not necessitate being good either.

Wow, now there's a perspective I hadn't considered.  He certainly has god-like capabilities, but I don't think that makes him a god, for two reasons:
1. The powers are not in fact his own. By definition, they belong to the notebook, and without it he is powerless. 
2. Most definitions of a "god" include one key point: they are immortal or near-immortal.  Light is neither.
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Post by: twik on November 20, 2006, 08:41:43 am
Wow, now there's a perspective I hadn't considered.  He certainly has god-like capabilities, but I don't think that makes him a god, for two reasons:
1. The powers are not in fact his own. By definition, they belong to the notebook, and without it he is powerless. 
2. Most definitions of a "god" include one key point: they are immortal or near-immortal.  Light is neither.

Hehe, I came to the same conclusion, but it was a fun scenario to consider.
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Post by: Draconis on November 20, 2006, 10:53:45 am
In light( no pun intended) of recent episodes, the immortal subject is most important. As he said when he is able "to be god over the world he is created" he wants it to last as long as possible, hence not taking the shingami eyes.
Light very well knows he is not a God and to me isn't trying to become one.
Rather his attempts at his world because he didn't feel adequate living in what the world had become...but he obviously likes to be controlling. Like making the entire world afraid to commit a crime because of fear of death...
in a lighter way(still no pun) I wish our world was more like that...
people don't fear the "justice" we have left and the consequences aren't that bleak...

Maybe humans should be required to take a test to see if they deserver their freewill, yes it is hypocritical to force someone to be able to choose or not
but too many people do it cause " I just can" I just do or I can get away with it
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Post by: lindewell on November 20, 2006, 01:55:15 pm
For me there is no doubt the author wanted to show Light as a psychopath from the very beginning. There were no progress through an evil behavior. In the 1st episode L tells him what he's doing is not justice and it's bad.
Light behind his apparence of a nice and smart guy (listen how he speaks to Ray's widow), he's very egocentric and has no concerns for the feelings of others. He tries to put himself in risky situations (just think how dangerous was the first encounter with Ray , and the second encounter even more risky). He does that only to make himself look superior and that's the exact symptoms of a psychopath.

Back to episode 7, what is this belt and majordomme? Is L some kind of BATMAN  :D
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Post by: Tsubasa on November 20, 2006, 01:59:53 pm
At least now we know L can think of conducting an investigation in a more orthodox way.  :D

-Tsubasa
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Post by: twik on November 20, 2006, 11:38:32 pm
He tries to put himself in risky situations (just think how dangerous was the first encounter with Ray , and the second encounter even more risky).

Hah, just think.  What if she had been just a bit more suspicious and shown him a fake drivers license?

"I'm Kira"

"Shall I consider that your confession?"

"Hey, why aren't you walking off to die?"

Game over biatch.
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Post by: kayryn on November 25, 2006, 10:36:03 am

Best scene ever: Watari dishing ice cream out to everyone

L is such a good boy for sharing <3
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Post by: Draconis on November 27, 2006, 11:30:01 am
The ice cream was a very odd but nice touch indeed.

I was most excited when Light was using the Death Note right in front of his Father and L without missing a step...very heart pounding
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Post by: keepergirl on November 27, 2006, 10:16:39 pm
The ice cream part was okay but that close-up of L's mouth as he's eating it was a little disturbing.

I really enjoyed the interactions between Ryuk and Light in this episode.  I felt that Ryuk got more time in the spotlight too, which was cool.  I also liked how Light was able to manipulate Ryuk's wants to get what he wanted- I thought that really showed who the more powerful one in the relationship is.

As for the TV in the bag trick: Shouldn't the pen/ pencil be hitting the top of the bag, thus resulting in a noticeable crease along the top?  I do think it was a clever idea, though.
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Post by: bobby6 on November 28, 2006, 07:31:26 pm
I feel the need to say that I'm really glad to see these well-thought out posts and people actually analyzing the situations that occur in the episodes, rather than just a bunch of "ZOMG Light sucks!!!111" posts.  And I'm actually surprised that there isn't as much hate for Light as I thought there would be at this point.  (Either that, or the Light-haters aren't speaking up.)

ZOMG Light sucks!!!111

Sorry, I couldn't resist  :P ;) :D
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Post by: keepergirl on November 28, 2006, 08:59:55 pm
*keepergirl whacks bobby6 over the head with a paper fan
Those kinds of posts don't belong on this forum, missy!   ;)

I was kind of surprised you and Bel didn't speak up after I made that post.  I figured you two were probably the biggest Light-haters.
Oh, I also forgot to mention something in my last post.  Bel mentioned on IRC how she thought Light's sister's voice was annoying (or something to that effect), and I just want to say that I agree.  It's not bad when she's talking normally, but that extended "Gohan dayo!" was irritating.
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Post by: beloculus on November 30, 2006, 07:24:48 am
*peeks in and makes a comment without actually having read like the past 5 pages of the thread*

It's not so much as I find it annoying, as I find it piercing. Like nails down a chalkboard. To make matters worse, there's something acoustically different about her voice, at least in the first few episodes. It's like they recorded her in a different studio than everyone else or something. Did anyone else notice this? Or am I just being overly picky because I listen to every line in every episode at least 4-5 times?
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Post by: bobby6 on December 01, 2006, 03:44:47 am
*keepergirl whacks bobby6 over the head with a paper fan
Those kinds of posts don't belong on this forum, missy!   ;)

I was kind of surprised you and Bel didn't speak up after I made that post.  I figured you two were probably the biggest Light-haters.

Well, I am one of those lucky people that the forums are hating on right now,  :P so I've only been able to access them twice in the past 2 weeks.  :'( That's why I didn't respond sooner ;)
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Post by: kayryn on December 01, 2006, 08:42:39 am

As for the TV in the bag trick: Shouldn't the pen/ pencil be hitting the top of the bag, thus resulting in a noticeable crease along the top?  I do think it was a clever idea, though.



He used a piece of lead, or really tiny pencil. I'm not just making this up: he uses it later on in the series, too.
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Post by: twik on December 01, 2006, 10:17:26 pm


He used a piece of lead, or really tiny pencil. I'm not just making this up: he uses it later on in the series, too.

The TV in bag with mini-pencil was a clever idea, but throwing it away the way he did was an unnecessary risk.  An empty chip bag and one with a TV in it do not fall the same way.  When Light dumped his wastebasket, his mother could have noticed something amiss and being a good mother might have checked to make sure Light wasn't accidentally throwing away something important.  Taking it one step further, what if L had dressed up one of his minions as the garbage collector?  I think Light must have realized the risk on some level since he makes sure to watch the trash bags get compacted.  Factoring in the considerable cost, I'll be surprised if we see this method again anytime soon.

The question I've been working on lately is whether Ryuk wants Light to succeed.  The chances of the Death Note falling into the hands of someone more calculating (and thus entertaining for Ryuk) is remote, so should Light ever be captured it would mean the end of Ryuk's fun.  However, I can't shake the feeling that Ryuk only appears to be in Light's corner.  Like a NASCAR fan who's in it for the crashes, the reason Ryuk is hanging around and observing so closely may be to see an eventual defeat.  We saw previously when Naomi gave Light a false name, Ryuk did nothing to assist, though his amusement inadvertently provided a clue.  Was Ryuk really unable to say anything?  Even though he technically is not supposed to interfere, Ryuk later does in fact assist Light when he locates all the security cameras.  Superficially, this is so he can continue eating apples, but I believe the real reason for confirming that there is nowhere to hide from the cameras is to create a challenge for Light.  The key factor linking these two incidences is that Ryuk's actions (or inaction) make things harder for Light and force him to think of some devious solution to his situation.  I think Ryuk's role in the story is too passive to directly lead Light to ruin, but I wouldn't rule out Ryuk failing to help out at a key moment in the future if it meant being entertained.
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Post by: keepergirl on December 02, 2006, 09:06:49 am
To make matters worse, there's something acoustically different about her voice, at least in the first few episodes. It's like they recorded her in a different studio than everyone else or something. Did anyone else notice this? Or am I just being overly picky because I listen to every line in every episode at least 4-5 times?
Well, because you mentioned that, I just went back and listened to her lines in episode 2.  While she's outside his door, the acoustics are definitely different, but I'm sure that was intentional.  When she is in his room, the acoustics do sound a bit different than they do for the other characters, but I think that might actually be due to her high-pitched voice.  Plus, it sort of sounds like she's got a bit of a nasal-ly tone to her voice, which would also make it sound odd in comparison with the rest of the cast.

Well, I am one of those lucky people that the forums are hating on right now,  :P so I've only been able to access them twice in the past 2 weeks.  :'( That's why I didn't respond sooner ;)
Hmm, did you happen to catch Yaoi's post on IRC about setting the IP for the site in your hosts file?  If not, let me know on IRC and I can help you do that, which should enable you to get on the site and forums more often.

He used a piece of lead, or really tiny pencil. I'm not just making this up: he uses it later on in the series, too.
I actually thought he might be using a smaller pencil.  Yay for Light being smart while risking his hide!

Hmm, regarding the Ryuk thing,  I really think Ryuk just wants to be entertained and the challenges to Light are entertaining for him.  I also do believe that he's not supposed to interfere, or at least he's supposed to try not to interfere.  I don't think he's rooting for Light's failure, at least not at this point.  To me, it's more like he's at a hockey game to watch the fights; he's impartial as to who comes out the victor so long as it's a good, competitive fight.

On a completely unrelated note: Yay!  I can smite or applaud people now!
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Post by: twik on December 03, 2006, 11:06:47 pm
Nice touch on the subs for L's speech.

After watching the last episode I have a new question.  Is it ok for L to hide behind the name of a famous person?  If L's goal is to use an obviously false name to show that he knows of Kira's limitation, he could have accomplished the same thing by using a famous name from fictional literature.  Using a fake name is a prudent precaution given what L suspects about Kira, however, using the name of a real person whose face is well known puts that person at risk.  L might assume that Kira would go through the thought process Light does, which is that he cannot use this name to kill on the off chance he pictures the real Ryuga Hideki, but there remains a real possibility that Kira wouldn't care about that and just kill him anyway.  Perhaps L must use the name of a real person in order to confer that extra level of protection, but if that is so, surely there must be some Japanese equivalent of Kevin Federline that could be used instead in this situation.
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Post by: hostghost on December 03, 2006, 11:12:40 pm
I thought the same thing, would be great to see that blond ass just fall over and die though :P

No seriously, it actually proves that L's actions have faults as well. up until now it's always Light that barley saves the day, but I hope we will see some more of L's weak spots. :D
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Post by: Draconis on December 04, 2006, 03:53:22 pm
While I greatly enjoy diving into the deepest recesses of our minds to contemplate the inner workings of such a well written show at times an old and outdated saying comes to mind " take time to stop and smell the roses"...even though I'm not fond of roses myself and prefer carnations, I believe my point is clear.

While it is amazing we can discuss the details of life and death through something inanimate I like to just sit back and take it for what it is without trying to analyze all the time...I would think not everyone interprets the show all the time and just enjoys watching it at some point.
I like to get lost in the show and think about it later...





P.S.  Light is still the best character on the show...
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Post by: Yumkie on December 04, 2006, 04:27:14 pm
Does anyone know why episode 8 and 9 both do not have any seeders? I want to see them really badly!   :'(  I currently have all of the books published and out in stores ^_^  Sad sad ending ...  But if you possibly can, please please please get some seeders?  ;)
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Post by: hostghost on December 04, 2006, 05:33:30 pm
Does anyone know why episode 8 and 9 both do not have any seeders? I want to see them really badly!   :'(  I currently have all of the books published and out in stores ^_^  Sad sad ending ...  But if you possibly can, please please please get some seeders?  ;)

ehhhh...
Even though scarywater won't list the seeders they are there!
I list over 1200 seeders in DN09.
And this thread is NOT the place to ask these things, they should be handled in the Leeching forum.

In response to Draconis:
I have no problem watching the show like normal, and then analyze after. I concentrate when watching to get every aspect, pick up moods and shiftings etc. then I usually only think it through while writing a reply here....
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Post by: suzaku_nomiko on December 04, 2006, 05:58:33 pm
Does anyone know why episode 8 and 9 both do not have any seeders? I want to see them really badly!   :'(  I currently have all of the books published and out in stores ^_^  Sad sad ending ...  But if you possibly can, please please please get some seeders?  ;)

Have you tried to connect to them anyway?

If you do you will find that they do indeed work.

Scarrywater has been broken for a long time now and fails to report the status of the torrents. but it still works.

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Post by: lindewell on December 05, 2006, 12:49:54 am
Can someone tell me what happened to Ryuk's voice? It is the same dubber for sure but he changed the way he speaks. Anybody noticed it too?
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Post by: keepergirl on December 05, 2006, 04:25:00 am
After watching the last episode I have a new question.  Is it ok for L to hide behind the name of a famous person?  If L's goal is to use an obviously false name to show that he knows of Kira's limitation, he could have accomplished the same thing by using a famous name from fictional literature.  Using a fake name is a prudent precaution given what L suspects about Kira, however, using the name of a real person whose face is well known puts that person at risk.  L might assume that Kira would go through the thought process Light does, which is that he cannot use this name to kill on the off chance he pictures the real Ryuga Hideki, but there remains a real possibility that Kira wouldn't care about that and just kill him anyway.  Perhaps L must use the name of a real person in order to confer that extra level of protection, but if that is so, surely there must be some Japanese equivalent of Kevin Federline that could be used instead in this situation.
My thoughts about this were that possibly L intends on making contact with the people from the two families he most suspects.  If he were to do this, he could give each individual a different false name.  If only Light believes that this person's name is Ryuga Hideki, and he tries to kill him but ends up killing the real Ryuga Hideki, that would show L immediately that Light is Kira.  Of course, if that were the case, he would be playing with and showing disregard for other people's lives, which shows that L isn't always the most moral person either.

Can someone tell me what happened to Ryuk's voice? It is the same dubber for sure but he changed the way he speaks. Anybody noticed it too?
Someone was mentioning this on IRC, although he thought it was a different person dubbing Ryuk.  I personally noticed a slight difference, but didn't pay much attention to it.  Also, through the beginning of the episode, I basically attributed it to Ryuk's withdrawal.
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Post by: Cougar on December 05, 2006, 04:48:58 am
The TV in bag with mini-pencil was a clever idea, but throwing it away the way he did was an unnecessary risk.  An empty chip bag and one with a TV in it do not fall the same way.  When Light dumped his wastebasket, his mother could have noticed something amiss and being a good mother might have checked to make sure Light wasn't accidentally throwing away something important.  Taking it one step further, what if L had dressed up one of his minions as the garbage collector?  I think Light must have realized the risk on some level since he makes sure to watch the trash bags get compacted.  Factoring in the considerable cost, I'll be surprised if we see this method again anytime soon.

The question I've been working on lately is whether Ryuk wants Light to succeed.  The chances of the Death Note falling into the hands of someone more calculating (and thus entertaining for Ryuk) is remote, so should Light ever be captured it would mean the end of Ryuk's fun.  However, I can't shake the feeling that Ryuk only appears to be in Light's corner.  Like a NASCAR fan who's in it for the crashes, the reason Ryuk is hanging around and observing so closely may be to see an eventual defeat.  We saw previously when Naomi gave Light a false name, Ryuk did nothing to assist, though his amusement inadvertently provided a clue.  Was Ryuk really unable to say anything?  Even though he technically is not supposed to interfere, Ryuk later does in fact assist Light when he locates all the security cameras.  Superficially, this is so he can continue eating apples, but I believe the real reason for confirming that there is nowhere to hide from the cameras is to create a challenge for Light.  The key factor linking these two incidences is that Ryuk's actions (or inaction) make things harder for Light and force him to think of some devious solution to his situation.  I think Ryuk's role in the story is too passive to directly lead Light to ruin, but I wouldn't rule out Ryuk failing to help out at a key moment in the future if it meant being entertained.

I agree with this point and I think this is important. Ryuk didn't exactly ASSIST Light, but he did do enough to provide an answer. Why didn't Ryuk say anything to Light if nobody else can see him? Ryuk assisted Light with the security cameras, but why didn't he provide a clear answer to the Naomi incident?

With all said and done, I think Ryuk is just toying with Light. The main reason I believe Ryuk is with Light is to persuade him into giving him half of his life span, in exchange for a pair of eyes of a death god. I think Ryuk knows that if Light does this deal, it will come back to haunt him in the future. What happens if Light makes the eye deal and all of the pages of the death note are finished? What use do the eyes have then? It's going to be good to watch the later episodes and find out what Ryuk's true motive is.

Oh, I just joined and I didn't get to mention anything earlier in this thread haha. I just want to say that Light is my favourite character in the series. I just like how he is confident and intelligent.

Finally, can anybody update me on the whole Viz situation? It appears that they are definately going to license Death Note since they have licensed the manga. Does anybody know when they are going to license it. I am just afraid because once it's licensed, Live-Evil will stop fan-subbing it and we are going to hear messed up voices in the translated version.
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Post by: Cougar on December 05, 2006, 04:50:00 am
Does anyone know why episode 8 and 9 both do not have any seeders? I want to see them really badly!   :'(  I currently have all of the books published and out in stores ^_^  Sad sad ending ...  But if you possibly can, please please please get some seeders?  ;)

Download the torrents and leech them. They work. The tracker is messed up on scarywater...so it just SAYS 0 seeders when really there are tons.
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Post by: keepergirl on December 05, 2006, 05:11:39 am
Oh, I just joined and I didn't get to mention anything earlier in this thread haha. I just want to say that Light is my favourite character in the series. I just like how he is confident and intelligent.

Finally, can anybody update me on the whole Viz situation? It appears that they are definately going to license Death Note since they have licensed the manga. Does anybody know when they are going to license it. I am just afraid because once it's licensed, Live-Evil will stop fan-subbing it and we are going to hear messed up voices in the translated version.
Well, first, welcome to the L-E forums. :)  Make sure to go introduce yourself in the General Forum (there's a thread there for new users to introduce themselves).

Secondly, yay, another Light fan!  Hmm, if the poll is still open, make sure to vote for him there. 

As for the Viz thing, they are not "definitely" going to license the anime.  They are most likely to, since they have the license to the manga, but the license can go to another company (which has happened with a number of other shows).  Yes, Live-Evil will stop subbing Death Note when or if a license is officially announced.  However, there's really no need for you to worry about the voices, because whatever company licenses the show will, undoubtedly, include the Japanese audio track with subtitles on the DVD.  So you will still be able to listen to those wonderful Japanese voices, all while watching a high-quality DVD release.
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Post by: kayryn on December 05, 2006, 08:11:00 pm
You guys have nothing to worry about if it gets licensed. At least america GETS dvd releases. :( I can be about 90% certain we won't get any releases in England. At all.

The only recent series I can think about that's been released is Naruto, and that's because it's on Jetix *pout*
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Post by: User45701 on December 07, 2006, 08:44:18 am
Hi new to this site joined just because of this show i love it.
i watched 3 versions of episode 8 because i wanted to comare the differences in them and live evils is defiantly the best, Cheers

Also one or two things i dont understand.... http://a.scarywater.net/live-evil/ has episode 9 but it does not say what time the episode was uploaded at. im trying to find what site will have the episode first? i cant wait for epsiode 10 it aired last nite and i just wanted to say that because  on your prokect site it has episode 10 listed as not being aired yet but it is aired.

There are already other copies of episode 10 on the net but i didnt even bother with it i know it cant be as good as liveevils.
Thanks again
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Post by: bobby6 on December 07, 2006, 08:55:21 am
Hi new to this site joined just because of this show i love it.
i watched 3 versions of episode 8 because i wanted to comare the differences in them and live evils is defiantly the best, Cheers

Also one or two things i dont understand.... http://a.scarywater.net/live-evil/ has episode 9 but it does not say what time the episode was uploaded at. im trying to find what site will have the episode first? i cant wait for epsiode 10 it aired last nite and i just wanted to say that because  on your prokect site it has episode 10 listed as not being aired yet but it is aired.

There are already other copies of episode 10 on the net but i didnt even bother with it i know it cant be as good as liveevils.
Thanks again

Thanks for the compliment, to answer your question, our torrents always get upped to scarywater first. And as far as the projects page goes, it is not updated daily, so thats why it doesn't say aired yet.
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Post by: Tsubasa on December 07, 2006, 04:52:09 pm
btw, in that signature bobby, Blue was talking about the ED to.....errr....Asatte I think. ;) ;D

-Tsubasa
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Post by: Qwarkman on December 07, 2006, 10:11:37 pm
Hi, just had to register to say how much i love this show  ;D

You're doing a great job subbing it, thank you!


Greetings from cold Sweden  8)

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Post by: hostghost on December 07, 2006, 10:25:55 pm
Welcome =)

Cold sweden? We are having 10C over here (Norway), do you guys have snow now?


Ah, I'm truly looking forward to seeing how things develop in the next episode, with Light's new classmate and all  :D
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Post by: Qwarkman on December 08, 2006, 12:02:49 am
Welcome =)

Cold sweden? We are having 10C over here (Norway), do you guys have snow now?


Ah, I'm truly looking forward to seeing how things develop in the next episode, with Light's new classmate and all  :D

Hello there fellow scandinavian.
Ok, maybe not cold, but chilly ::) And windy, and rainy, I avoid going outside ;)

And yes I agree, things took a rather interesting turn last episode, I would love to see what happens next...  :)
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Post by: kayryn on December 08, 2006, 12:20:20 am
10C?

Our hhighest ever recorded temperature for december was tuesday, and it was 9C.... T_T

British weather sucks, but I wouldn't have it any other way *snuggles up to hot chocolate*


Ah, I'm truly looking forward to seeing how things develop in the next episode, with Light's new classmate and all  :D

I'm not sure if that's a spoiler or not.... *checks the end of episode 9*....*realises she hasn't watched episode 9*

Right well...

...*watched it* Right...no, it's not. I LOVE "watashi wa Eru desu" in Yamaguchi Kappei's voice SO SO much. Eheh...I squealed, and my mum came to check on me.

Light freaking out was a moment I was really looking forward to, when I read it in the manga. It's one of those key "OMGWTF?" moments where you're so shocked by the OOCness of the character, that it makes the plot so much more interesting.

One complaint: I wish they'd drawn L's feet cuter looking.  They're a key part to him! They should be smooth and cute, not bumpy and odd looking *pout* But they're still nice.
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Post by: twik on December 08, 2006, 06:24:24 am
It took me a while to do the conversion since I'm a stupid American, but I think Detroit, Michigan (where I'm from) is the winner so far at negative 7°C.

Is anyone else a bit wary about the upcoming "Tennis" episode?  I guess they'll just have to play their mind games in between serves.
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Post by: Cougar on December 08, 2006, 06:50:51 am
I just have one question, I think everybody should give their take on this.

What is the significance of the apple or apples? We see the apple in the intro, and we see Ryuk eating apples. Does this possibly have anything to do with why Ryuk is following Light?

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Post by: Shruikan on December 08, 2006, 07:26:20 am
Yeah, in episode 1 Ryuk eats a apple and is totally freaked out about the good taste, because in the Shinigami world nothing has flavour. So light just feeds him apples to keep him happy  ;D
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Post by: twik on December 08, 2006, 08:07:08 am
Yeah, in episode 1 Ryuk eats a apple and is totally freaked out about the good taste, because in the Shinigami world nothing has flavour. So light just feeds him apples to keep him happy  ;D

Now imagine if he ever discovered chocolate...

The significance of the apple in the intro fits right along with Christian traditions symbolizing temptation and the fall of man.  This depiction is notable in that it is Ryuk that offers Light the apple in the intro and not the other way around.  If any doubt remains, the apple morphs into the Death Note at the end of the intro as if to say "yes, it really is this obvious."

This begs the question, why is Ryuk the one eating apples in the series?  I think it is just a fun character trait he was given (i.e., Awww, the scary death god is an apple junkie), but if someone really wanted to read into it, they might have an argument that Ryuk's taste for apples parallels his fascination with Light and his usage of the Death Note.
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Post by: kayryn on December 08, 2006, 08:48:29 am
Apples are like an addiction to him.

I'm not sure if he still ate them in the shinigami world, but in this world, if he doens't have any, his body twists up, like it did before (thus Light having to feed him the apple) It MAY be that it's supposed to represent how Light believes himself as a God, and thus is passing the temptation onto others?

But there is also little to no allusions to religion and God in the series, save for mentions of it. there's nothing blunt, such as in Evamgelion, so it may just be a slight "pun" (for lack a better word) when he picture is there, with Light in Adam's place, and Ryuk taking up the other position.

One quick little tidbit of information for ya: There actually WAS no apple mentioned in the bible during the fall of Adam and Eve. It only says "fruit" when referring to the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and so it could have been any fruit, rather than an apple.
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Post by: twik on December 08, 2006, 09:18:51 am
One quick little tidbit of information for ya: There actually WAS no apple mentioned in the bible during the fall of Adam and Eve. It only says "fruit" when referring to the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and so it could have been any fruit, rather than an apple.

Indeed.  That is why I made no such reference to the Bible.   ;D
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Post by: hostghost on December 08, 2006, 08:49:10 pm
I was just sitting here thinking about the apples. But I want to do some more research before I can cough up a theory.

Anyway, L-E made yet another great sub ;D
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Post by: Tsubasa on December 08, 2006, 08:54:31 pm
/me hopes to get back to this thread soon.  :'(


-Tsubasa
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Post by: keepergirl on December 08, 2006, 10:34:53 pm
It took me a while to do the conversion since I'm a stupid American, but I think Detroit, Michigan (where I'm from) is the winner so far at negative 7°C.
In NY this morning it was -8°C (18°F).  (Of course, this was the city-ish/ Long Island areas.  I'm sure it was much colder upstate.)

In response to Cougar's question: I basically agree with everything twik said about it (both in the apple representing the downfall of man and the apple-eating thing being a fun trait given to Ryuk). 

As for episode 10, I haven't really sat down and watched the final version of it yet, but I really enjoyed the interactions between Light and L.  The mindgames with each other were fascinating, although I found fault with some of L's reasoning.  However, since Tsubie came back into this thread and she hasn't seen past episode 7, I don't want to spoil anything for her, so I'm holding back on specifics.  Tsubie, hurry and watch the last three episodes- they're good.  ;)
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Post by: bobby6 on December 09, 2006, 03:53:34 am
btw, in that signature bobby, Blue was talking about the ED to.....errr....Asatte I think. ;) ;D

-Tsubasa

I realize he was not intending to talk about Death Note, actually, he was talking about Snow Queen. But I quoted it because it sounds funny since he had some rather unfortunate timing  ;).
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Post by: bobby6 on December 09, 2006, 04:00:32 am
In NY this morning it was -8°C (18°F).  (Of course, this was the city-ish/ Long Island areas.  I'm sure it was much colder upstate.)

In response to Cougar's question: I basically agree with everything twik said about it (both in the apple representing the downfall of man and the apple-eating thing being a fun trait given to Ryuk). 

As for episode 10, I haven't really sat down and watched the final version of it yet, but I really enjoyed the interactions between Light and L.  The mindgames with each other were fascinating, although I found fault with some of L's reasoning.  However, since Tsubie came back into this thread and she hasn't seen past episode 7, I don't want to spoil anything for her, so I'm holding back on specifics.  Tsubie, hurry and watch the last three episodes- they're good.  ;)

I beat eveyone! This morning here, it was whopping 8 degrees Fahrenheit. Which is -13.3 degress Celsius  :o  ;)
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Post by: Tsubasa on December 10, 2006, 11:02:04 am
As for episode 10, I haven't really sat down and watched the final version of it yet, but I really enjoyed the interactions between Light and L.  The mindgames with each other were fascinating, although I found fault with some of L's reasoning.  However, since Tsubie came back into this thread and she hasn't seen past episode 7, I don't want to spoil anything for her, so I'm holding back on specifics.  Tsubie, hurry and watch the last three episodes- they're good.  ;)

Awww, you're so nice as usual. But my monitor  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(, it's failing badly. I can't watch anime, let alone fansub till I have the issue resolved.

/me cries loud.

-Tsubasa

P.S. It's really cold here too, despite being above 20C. Basically we don't have heaters/radiators here so it's a problem.
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Post by: kayryn on December 10, 2006, 04:52:07 pm
/I wish we had no radiators....:( mine's broken, so it's soso hot in my room, despite it being winter
I ahve to keep a window open ¬¬
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Post by: xjapan on December 11, 2006, 10:52:04 pm
yo dudes. firstly a big thanks to L-E for subbing Death-Note.
Its hawt.

( I,m gonna rant and give my opinions now. its gonna be long so if you dont wanna waste your time i suggest you skip this post after reading those 2 sentences on top )

Frankly. in my opinion. Light's killing isnt justified in anyway. I prefer Light to "L" in the anime. but if this were to happen in RL (real-life) a definite nono. After all we,re all taught not to kill. ( at least those of us who are normal. ) furthermore. it isnt right to kill criminals and felons? i mean no matter who it is they deserve a 2nd chance or perhaps even a 3rd and a 4th etc. Its just not right. But heck its what the anime is about and i love it.

Besides. if shinigamis existed whos to know what else exists. Also this opens the possibility of "L" having supernaternal aid / abilities himself. The realm of DN is pretty similar to ours therefore its not normal for a detective to deduce a murderer of having supernatural abilities in which only a name and a face is needed to kill.

Another thing is. I cant help but think that Ryuu is hiding something. i mean yea he's having fun. From the shots we,ve had of Shinigami world. its pretty darn boring there. But firstly, is it normal (abides the rules) for a shinigami to carry 2 death notes? We all know that if he gets bored of Light, he could simply write Light's name in his other Note. I wont be suprised if we see something omoshiro (interesting) like that.

Well, after that,will "L" push Light to the point where he decides to make the deal with Ryuk ( the Shinigami eyes deal ). Because i doubt "L" knows about such an ability of Light's and seeing how theyre " buddies " in school. Light could kill "L" anytime.
Personally, I feel that "L" will almost never leak his real name to Light. After all,like Light himself said. It wouldnt be that simple as writing "L's" name in the Note.

Also,if Light ever gets found out. All he needs to do is burn the Death Note and the evidence is gone. ( Although there might be consequences to the user if he / she burns a shinigami's death note ). Thats another point to ponder over.

Gosh this anime keeps me thinking.
Lastly i,ve got a feeling. I havent read the manga so i,m currently stuck at episode 10 but in the end , I wouldnt be surprised if the last name that Light wrote on the Death Note was "Yagami Light"

Thanks if ya read all of my crap
Thanks again to Live-Evil for subbing this.
Pity Nana and Tsubasa were dropped. i especially enjoyed Nana 
For those who dont know. Look at the pig cam i like that pig. i like the black one too  :-X

zzz i feel sry for them Editors(thanks to keepergirl for setting me straight on this one). Its irritating to keep editing the post due to grammer , mostly punctuation errors. Also put paragraphs for easier reading. I usually cant be bothered bout those but i know its a pain to read jumbled up stuffs =)
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Post by: kayryn on December 12, 2006, 01:17:15 am
Firstly, I hafta give you an applaud merely for your name and dedication to hide <3

Secondly, you made some very interesting points!


 i mean no matter who it is they deserve a 2nd chance or perhaps even a 3rd and a 4th etc. Its just not right. But heck its what the anime is about and i love it.


Speaking from experience, there is a point where, when given another chance, then another, and another, it becomes obvious that you're being taken for granted, and it's jsut foolish to give so many chances. The saying goes "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"

Some people you just cannot change, though i understand where you're coming from. I think it's best to say, rather than saying that you would give them another chance, the death penalty should be altogether removed, so payment for previous behaviour can be given, whereas,  with death upon conviction, it doesn't leave a chance for any being who has been placed with such a charge, to redeem himself, or to be found innocent, when he was proven guilty. It's an entirely split argument, that appears to have no right, nor wrong answer logically, seeing as we have ideas such as "treat others how you would like to be treated" and "an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth", but morally, counterbalances, in our human nature, step in and explain that "if it was an eye for a eye, we'd all be blind" and such. (gosh, I'm waffling again...¬¬  think I'm actually going to have to write an essay for this at some point)


Besides. if shinigamis existed whos to know what else exists. Also this opens the possibility of "L" having supernaternal aid / abilities himself. The realm of DN is pretty similar to ours therefore its not normal for a detective to deduce a murderer of having supernatural abilities in which only a name and a face is needed to kill.

I think, when it all comes down to it, there is an ability to think outside of the realms of possibility that we know we are confined to, when there is no other possible explanation. There is no humaly possible way to kill as many people as Light does, overseas, at the same time as other, with a heart attack, something which, while not untriggerable, is hard to cause in perfectly healthy beings.

There has been some discussion of whether L has a mental disorder, specifically Asperger's syndrome, so it may be that that helps him to deduce the supernatural part of the killings.

And now, I'm going to go back to my coursework before I annoy people...
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Post by: hostghost on December 12, 2006, 01:42:40 am
There has been some discussion of whether L has a mental disorder, specifically Asperger's syndrome, so it may be that that helps him to deduce the supernatural part of the killings.

Which points to yet another strange fact. That Light infact is the one with most human traits. One could ask the same question to many legal institutions, maybe it really is necessary for a judging instance to be un-human to perform its tasks.
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Post by: keepergirl on December 12, 2006, 02:16:49 am
furthermore. it isnt right to kill criminals and felons? i mean no matter who it is they deserve a 2nd chance or perhaps even a 3rd and a 4th etc.
I very strongly disagree with that statement.  I do not believe child killers deserve even a second chance.  Nor do rapists, child molesters, and murderers.  How many innocent victims must there be before we learn that some people will NEVER be able to control themselves in a civilized society?  Seriously, we're not talking about speeding tickets here.  I work with children for a living, and they are innocent, trusting, and beautiful.  I simply cannot forgive someone who destroys a child's life, whether it be through murder or molestation.  In addition to this, crimes like child molestation are perpetuating.  A number of criminals performing these acts were victims themselves as children.  The cycle needs to stop somewhere.  (As for rape, some people don't truly understand the horrors of that crime.  I, and many like-minded people, would rather be murdered than raped.  Rape is torture of the worst kind, as you are forced to continue your existence with the constant reminder of what you've been through.  I feel rape is a crime worthy of the death penalty along with murder.)

But firstly, is it normal (abides the rules) for a shinigami to carry 2 death notes?
I believe something is said in the first episode about this by one of the other death gods.  If I remember correctly, he implies that Ryuk is not supposed to have a second Death Note.  Maybe I ought to look back through that episode...

Well, after that,will "L" push Light to the point where he decides to make the deal with Ryuk ( the Shinigami eyes deal ).
Someone unintentionally leaked spoilers to me on another forum, so I know the answer to this.  For obvious reasons, I will refrain from posting it here.

zzz i feel sry for them Typesetters. Its irritating to keep editing the post due to grammer , mostly punctuation errors. Also put paragraphs for easier reading. I usually cant be bothered bout those but i know its a pain to read jumbled up stuffs =)
Are you referring to editing your own post?  Editors are the ones who edit the scripts and stuff (obviously, there are editors for print materials as well).  Typesetters style the episode.  They're responsible for the dialogue font, the signs in the episode, and that sort of stuff.  If you'd like to see what each person is responsible for, have a look at the newly-created Live-Evil FAQ (http://www.live-evil.org/faq/).
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Post by: twik on December 12, 2006, 05:59:07 am
it isnt right to kill criminals and felons? i mean no matter who it is they deserve a 2nd chance or perhaps even a 3rd and a 4th etc. Its just not right. But heck its what the anime is about and i love it.

I very strongly disagree with that statement.  I do not believe child killers deserve even a second chance.  Nor do rapists, child molesters, and murderers.  How many innocent victims must there be before we learn that some people will NEVER be able to control themselves in a civilized society? 

I agree with keepergirl.  It simply is not prudent to give certain criminals a second chance.  However, there are some who do deserve another shot, or at the very least do not deserve to be executed for their crimes.  The ones Light killed while watching the TV in the chip bag come to mind.  Their crimes were relatively light, so had they not been killed by Light to give the appearance that he is not Kira, they certainly would not have been executed by the Japanese authorities.  As far as I'm concerned, the only criminals Light is even marginally justified in killing are those already on death row.  Keepergirl may want to lump in rapists here, and I certainly wouldn't shed a tear for one of them, but practically speaking one must follow the law as written.  (Though I would not argue if someone said that certain laws should be rewritten.)

Something xjapan touched upon though, is that even though we know Light's actions to be wrong, there is a certain gratification in watching him, at least at the beginning.  How many times have you seen an individual in public perpetrate some minor atrocity and think to yourself, "wouldn't society be better off without them?"  I know personally this thought crosses my mind on numerous occasions when I'm cut off during my daily commute (or perhaps when someone gives away a spoiler? ;) ).  If, like Light, you were given the power and the opportunity to create your own morality, would you not be tempted to go down the same path?
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Post by: hostghost on December 12, 2006, 09:08:57 am
I agree with xjapan, killing is never justified and I voted accordingly in the poll.

Here in Norway we have a maximum sentence for 21 years, this works quite allright for now. Since we don't have serial killers or mass rapists etc. The crime repetition rate for murderers here are almost 0. One of the biggest problems here are the organized crime and I know we might need to change our legal system to be able to get rid of this problem, they are still able to participate in planning and ordering of legal activities when they are in jail.

I know that crime is diffrent around the world, and when you actually have repetative criminals there is no problem to lock them up for good. I can't see why you would have to kill them. How many innocent people do you think the american legal system  have murdered?
It is so tragic when you read that they find evidence that contradicts a verdict and the person was killed just a few days ago....

Death penalty is contradicting the human rights, and when you take the boy away from he's mother and kills him. Becouse he pulled a trigger? Should one really be able to ruin ones life with such a small decission. Guns are widely available in the US and danger lurks almost every corner, atleast for the less fortunate ones. Should we condemn them for infinity for just a fraction of a second decission?

I say no, and you should too, or I'll come and kill you  :P
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Post by: Draconis on December 12, 2006, 09:11:03 am
If, like Light, you were given the power and the opportunity to create your own morality, would you not be tempted to go down the same path?

Isn't this why everyone can divulge into the depths of the human mind and try to understand the morality and humanity in his path to creating " his own world"?

We are always tempted by the unknown.
From one of my favorite movies: " Look but don't touch, touch but don't taste. Taste but don't swallow."
Going on a little stretch the grass is always greener right?
We sometimes want things we can't or don't have because we think they are better in some way.

I could even pose the old theory...if time travel existed would go back in time and have Hitler executed?... Then what would the future be? who could possible predict that future and be accurate?
Changing one event would supposedly create an endless ripple through time.

We are all humans and we all have our own sense of right and wrong...freewill( provided your not in a country that stifles  it) is what creates and destroys our world. The world will never follow 1 God and won't ever follow the same rules about society.

If you ask me, yes, a crime should be punished with an equal sentence.
So if you steal, something if stolen from you. If you rape ...yeah bubba is coming to visit...and if you kill then you will be killed. But what does this teach? It doesn't show the criminal that what they are doing is wrong b/c it's okay to do it back to them.
America's system of law enforcement is flawed as I'm sure other countries are as well, but what person or group can truly justify changing  or making them?
If we did have one God who would come down the mountain and lay down the law then we couldn't really debate about what is right or wrong.

To me the " the 1 true God" seems to be the greener grass but if it was to ever happen...wouldn't I want something else then?

that's enough of my novel for the moment ( maybe some of us should get together and come up with a #1 best seller about the humanity of life...)

Since this is the deathnote thread I should probablly mentioned that at least once...that tennis match was awesome..makes me wanna start playing!

the cliffhanger ending has to be my favorite so far


well that's my 50 cents worth
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Post by: xjapan on December 12, 2006, 01:22:47 pm
I could even pose the old theory...if time travel existed would go back in time and have Hitler executed?...

We,d all be living in Britain , America, France and Russia due to colonization  ;)

If, like Light, you were given the power and the opportunity to create your own morality, would you not be tempted to go down the same path?

Hmm. if i had the DeathNote. Firstly i wouldnt even think that its real. I,d prolly assume it to be a fancy notebook from the store. Then, gosh. i wouldnt wanna own a DeathNote. It would be all ok at first. Until the Death God comes to find me. Unlike Light , I,d freak and run away. If somehow i calm down enough to actually believe that the Death God wont kill me. Thenn..I dont know.. a human who uses the Death Note can neither go to heaven nor hell. I guess i,d keep it , Just tuck it inside my shelf. MY parents respect my privacy so ill be alright. But the day may come where something shocking happens for example if i get married , have children and someone killed my kid. I,d definitely use the Note. Well, not definitely but theres a high possibility.

Ah well. I guess firstly its all about the fear of the Note. If ya get over that then it,d be your ego , and how you feel about murder. That would decide if you would go down the same path as Yagami Light
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Post by: hostghost on December 12, 2006, 01:45:57 pm
I have said this before...

I would have to ways to react if I had a death note and I was aware of what it is capable of. Most likely I would just hide it, keep it to myself perhaps in a bank with a note explaining what it is and that no one should ever use at and it should remain a secret forever. Could be like a family eirloom  ;)
The other posibility is that I use it to become a hitman, a hitman that can't be found. I said earlier that I do not think killing is justified, so I do not think I would come to this. But perhaps if I felt that I had no other option I would use it.
Like in a kill or be killed situation...
But I guess I would feel totally miserable, and would have a hard time deciding whether to do it or not.

I can't wait to see some of Light's reactions to killing, until now he is just a cold killer, but there must be some reactions in him as to his feelings towards life.
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Post by: kayryn on December 12, 2006, 06:03:21 pm
 The thing you have to realise in the "if you had it, what would you do?" situation is that if you WERE in Light's position, you wouldn't know for sure that the Death note IS real.

Consider, then, if it was an entirely new idea you came across, how would you react to it?

I have this slight belief that you should let whatever is coming, come. Specifically, if there's some way of cheating out of something bad happen by using unjust, or questionable means, then it it almost unfair, in a way, to allow yourself the privelage.

Also, on my view of the death penalty, sometimes, be it in murder, or other things, people get what's coming for them. By no means is that always the case, as there are so, so many innocent people who don't deserve what they get.

but when someone hasn't helped themselves whatsoever in a situation, there's sometimes a point where you have to think "well, they deserved that, really" One of my friends is doing one subject at sixth form (american version: high school) and she's behind, so far that she's been threatened with being thrown off the course, has more free periods than not, and complains she's bored during those.

There are others, including myself, who do four, or even five subjects and aren't behind, nor struggling. I have to say, I find that, if she's chucked out of sixth form, she got what she deserved, for an example. So, in SOME accounts, when someone is most certainly a murderer, and perhaps in cases of which the murder is predetermined, the death penalty is a possible conviction, while other situations would have to be more lenient.

The UK has no death penalty, and hasn't for years. I remember having to do an essay  on capital punishmet in English three years ago, and the whole class was entirely split on the views. A keen argument that relates greatly to Death Note is that it can be used as a deterrant. It's ruling by fear, but it's effective, and doens't cause problems for those who are law-abiding, or just...not murderers.

One quick question, though. If you killed someone by running them over, is the death penalty a possible punishment? Not asking for opinions, more facts, but wouldn't mide hearing some views.
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Post by: keepergirl on December 12, 2006, 07:02:32 pm
Here in Norway we have a maximum sentence for 21 years, this works quite allright for now. Since we don't have serial killers or mass rapists etc. The crime repetition rate for murderers here are almost 0.
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I know that crime is diffrent around the world, and when you actually have repetative criminals there is no problem to lock them up for good. I can't see why you would have to kill them. How many innocent people do you think the american legal system  have murdered?
It is so tragic when you read that they find evidence that contradicts a verdict and the person was killed just a few days ago....

Death penalty is contradicting the human rights, and when you take the boy away from he's mother and kills him. Becouse he pulled a trigger? Should one really be able to ruin ones life with such a small decission. Guns are widely available in the US and danger lurks almost every corner, atleast for the less fortunate ones. Should we condemn them for infinity for just a fraction of a second decission?
First of all, it wouldn't be a fraction of a second, unless you're dealing with underground gun distribution.  Legal gun distribution, at least here in NY (my mind is failing me right now and I can't remember whether these guns laws are set by the state or country) require a waiting period before you get your gun.  And chances are, if you're dealing with 'black market' firearms, you're probably already involved in a world that can never be good.  (Interesting note: I was just doing some reading online, and it appears that Norway's laws regarding gun control are more relaxed than those of the US, and gun ownership there is higher than in the US.  So guns are also widely available in Norway, and yet that doesn't seem to affect their crime rates [unless it's bringing them down].)
I also find it amusing that you consider those that kill less fortunate.  Personally, I consider the victims to be on the unfortunate side of that exchange.
Essentially, I believe that yes, these criminals should be condemned for their decision.  Because it was not only their decision, but their actions.  And people need to accept the consequences of their actions.  (Which is something that any good school teaches children.  I fail to see why children should be held responsible for their actions but adults shouldn't be.)
(Also, I should specify that the people convicted of murder are usually not the "heat-of-the-moment" type people who kill.  When I say murderers, these are the people who have planned in advance to kill, and are not bothered by the fact that they just took a human life.)

So, now for some fun statistics regarding crime in the US:
Fifty-three percent of jail inmates were on probation, parole or pretrial release at the time of arrest.
Four in 10 jail inmates had a current or past sentence for a violent offense.
Thirty-nine percent of jail inmates in 2002 had served 3 or more prior sentences to incarceration or probation...
(Stats from 2002, taken from: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm - Bureau of Justice Statistics [US Department of Justice]).

Also, from the 105th Congress Report (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/T?&report=hr157&dbname=105&):
"Much of the problem of violent crime is a result of a relatively small group of chronic violent offenders who repeatedly cycle through our criminal justice system: they get arrested, sometimes convicted, occasionally sent to prison and then they are almost always released early after serving only a fraction of their sentences. Victims are frequently under the impression that a convicted offender will serve his or her sentence in full when in fact, violent criminals--those who murder, rape, rob and assault--serve an average of 48 percent of their sentences."

If you read the footnotes following that, it's even more disgusting:
"Although violent offenders receive an average sentence of almost eight years imprisonment, they actually serve less than four years in prison. Typically, violent criminals are discharged from prison in two years or less, and 76 percent will be back on the street in four years or less."
"Many violent offenders get no prison time at all. On any given day, about 3 convicted offenders were on probation and parole for every 1 convicted offender in prison."

Obviously, repeat offenses are a huge problem here in the US.  Particularly in violent crimes.  (Another growing problem, by the way, is prison overcrowding.  This is one of the reasons why prisoners who have not served their full time are ending up back out on the streets.)

As for your question of how many innocent people have been given the death penalty?  I haven't checked out the stats on that, but I don't believe that happens very often.  Our appeal system allows many, many, many appeals of the conviction and sentence.  As much as the death penalty seems like a big thing to people in countries without, here in NY very few people ever get sentenced to death, and even fewer actually get killed.

(By the way, the repeat offenders thing isn't unique to the US.  I was just reading some British facts/ statistics, and it appears they, too, have an issue with repeat offenses, especially for violent crimes.)

Kayryn: No, hitting someone with your car is not considered murder in the first degree (which, as far as I know, is the only murder charge punishable by death).  This is why I specified above that the people who I am referring to are not the 'accidently killed a person once' type killers.  People who get convicted on a first-degree murder charge are usually cold, hard, uncaring,  psychopathic and very intelligent people.  The type of people who would look their mother in the eye as they stabbed her repeatedly. 

To keep this post from being entirely off-topic: If I happened upon a Death Note, I probably would feel the need to test it out to see if it really works.  But that's only if I picked it up.  If I saw it lying on the ground, I probably wouldn't even pick it up, figuring that it was just someone's notebook and not anything special.
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Post by: xjapan on December 12, 2006, 07:44:09 pm
People who get convicted on a first-degree murder charge are usually cold, hard, uncaring,  psychopathic and very intelligent people.  The type of people who would look their mother in the eye as they stabbed her repeatedly. 

For some reason the first thing that came to my mind when i read that was praying mantises. even though they dont exactly do that to their moms. and eat their mates for survival. but still kinda gross
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Post by: hostghost on December 12, 2006, 07:45:59 pm
People who get convicted on a first-degree murder charge are usually cold, hard, uncaring,  psychopathic and very intelligent people.  The type of people who would look their mother in the eye as they stabbed her repeatedly. 

This is just funny..... not.

You are good with facts etc. And prove valid points but I can't see how death penalty helps recurring crimes. To get the death penalty you would have had to do something so severe that if one would not have death penalty you would be in jail probably for all your life or until you are old. So Death penalty really don't do anything about recurring of crime, since the recurring criminals don't commit that severe crimes.
And overpopulation is a problem yes, we have it here too, the cops keep arresting drug addicts and filling the prisons up... Like they do over there as well. Also when the government can spend millions of dollars keeping a top security prison for only a few selected prisoners in Guantanamo they should be able to build more prisons.

About the split second thing, It's the decision of pulling the trigger that takes a second and not buying the gun! And you read that gun laws here are more liberal, no they are not. You actually have to have a hunters license to carry a rifle, and the fact that 95% of all guns are for hunting makes a lot of diffrence.
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Post by: keepergirl on December 12, 2006, 08:27:07 pm
It wasn't meant to be funny.  I was completely serious when I wrote that.  The type of people who are sentenced to the death penalty here are those types of people- the ones who see no value in anyone's life.

Regarding the death penalty and recurring crimes, I personally feel the death penalty is not used often enough.  At least not here in NY (I know in Texas they do make more use out of it, although I'm not sure of statistics there).  In my mind, the death penalty accomplishes a few things:
1. If people fear the death penalty, they may avoid committing the crime (which wouldn't really help with the type of people described above, because most of them don't even think of consequences, but it may help some others hold themselves back from committing the crime).
2. If the death penalty gets used, it frees up room in prisons and lessens the cost for taxpayers, who won't have to provide that criminal with food and shelter for the rest of his life.
3. It often eases the burden on the victim's loved ones to know that the criminal who stole the victim's life lost his own as a consequence.
4. It properly punishes the criminal for his crime, in my opinion.
5. It ensures that the criminal will NEVER be on the streets again.  This is the most important point, in my mind, because you'd be surprised to see some of the criminals that manage to get back out into civilization, whether it be through escaping, mistakes in paperwork, or actual, legit release. 

With building more prisons, the problem isn't just money to build it.  It's also money to keep it running, provide staff, provide food to criminals, etc.  Also, there are space issues.  The places that need the prisons are the same places that have no room for more prisons.

My point with the fraction of a second thing is that it requires forethought and intent.  Planning, in other words.  That's not just a split second thing- that's a major difference.  In the time that it takes to plan, that criminal did not stop and think about the morals and consequences of the act.  So yes, s/he should be punished accordingly.  Failure to think about consequences is NOT an excuse.

(Regarding Norway's gun laws, I do believe you.  Upon further reading I'm seeing contradictory information, so I'm still researching it.  Finding info about Norway is rather difficult- almost everything is either the US or Britain. :P)
(Oh, I should add: the majority of guns that are used to harm or kill others in the US are illegally owned.  They are smuggled in usually from other areas and distributed illegally.  Many of the types of guns are not even legal at all in the US.  So stricter gun control laws don't even seem to help, because they affect only legal channels of distribution, while the criminals generally don't use legal means.  Just thought I'd add that for clarification- I'm not trying to start a gun control debate here.)
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Post by: kayryn on December 13, 2006, 01:10:35 am
In the UK, gun crimes are almost unknown. Over this summer, a police officer was shot when pursuing some criminals, and it made the front page, as it was such an infrequent event. I don't know about murder rates here, but I know that guns aren't what cause murders that do happen here.

However, we also don't have the death penalty. Maybe, in countries where it applies, the severity of punishment is proportional to the access to the ability to murder? If that makes sense?
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Post by: hostghost on December 13, 2006, 12:37:51 pm
In the UK, gun crimes are almost unknown. Over this summer, a police officer was shot when pursuing some criminals, and it made the front page, as it was such an infrequent event. I don't know about murder rates here, but I know that guns aren't what cause murders that do happen here.

However, we also don't have the death penalty. Maybe, in countries where it applies, the severity of punishment is proportional to the access to the ability to murder? If that makes sense?

It makes a lot of sense.

I see that keepergirl and I come from completely diffrent places here, when you list reasons for the death penalty I only see reasons why not to have it. And the last point is quite intresting, all though completely nonsense. The main point after catching criminals is to get them back into civilization. If you look at murdercases, how many murderes actually commit another one? A tiny persentage, and they are mostly part of organized crime. Which i said earlier is something to strike hard down on.

Anyway, I think most of your points are based on ignorance, no matter how much facts you cough up. I don't think I will ever understand the death penalty, even if someone would rape my girlfriend I would not want to see them dead. Better with a lifetime of regret than a few years of martyrdom.

This has gotten quite off topic so I will let this be for now. We could talk more on IRC if you want  ;)
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Post by: xjapan on December 13, 2006, 12:43:41 pm
This has gotten quite off topic so I will let this be for now. We could talk more on IRC if you want

T_T i know its the wrong forums to post this. but i keep getting autokilled at enterthegame. but i seem to be able to join other servers ~


As for gun crimes. the city of singapore does not permit gun ownership. after all we,re but a tiny red dot on the map. i,ve seen some murders in the papers but their mostly bandits who prey on people who are travelling to malaysia on the causeway
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Post by: kayryn on December 13, 2006, 06:45:36 pm

Anyway, I think most of your points are based on ignorance, no matter how much facts you cough up.

I would advise against calling people ignorant. It's often thought of as an insult. ¬¬

Oddly somehow related crime that's happening in England right now: five prostitues have been found dead over the last ten days in the Ipswitch area. Police are searching for a mass murderer.

Somewhat like Light's need to clean up the area, perhaps? Police were chacking for sexual abuse a few days ago, when there were only three, but haven't really reported any confirmation, or otherwise on the matter.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6175669.stm

Newspapers in other countries, including papers from New York and Los Angeles are saying there's " shadow of the 'ripper'"

My dad also believes this case to be similar to that of Jack the Ripper.

Of course, it anyone tkes offence or believes this to be unsuitable for the forum, I'll delete this post...
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Post by: Sindobook on December 13, 2006, 06:45:54 pm
The problem with questions like this (murder, guns, death penalty, if you had a death note..., etc.) is that questions like 'is it a good thing' and 'is it a bad thing' can't be answered at the moment of knowing.  A wise man knows that things that seem good at first sight can in truth be bad, and things that seem bad at first sight can in truth be good.  Like in the old tale told by Lao-Tsu of a wise farmer and his neighbor.

"Once there was a farmer whose horse ran away. His neighbor came over to tell him he felt sorry for him, only to be told in return: "Who knows what is good or bad?" It was true. The next day the horse returned, bringing with it eleven wild horses it had met during its adventurous escape. The neighbor came over again, this time to congratulate the farmer on his good fortune. Only to be told once again "Who knows what is good or bad? True this time too; the next day the farmer's son tried to tame one of the wild horses and fell off, breaking his leg. His neighbor came back again one more time to express how bad he felt But for the third time all the farmer had to say was: "Who knows what is good or bad?" And once again the farmer was correct, for this time, the king of that land had started a war and the following day soldiers came by to draft young men into the army, but because of his injury the son was not taken."

Since we don't know what is good and what is bad, it is entirely possible to commit a 'good' or 'beneficial' act with 'evil or malevolent' intent and to commit an 'evil or absolutely reprehensible' act with the best intentions.  In either case, does the one who committed the act deserve to be punished?  (Surely not in either case.)  Would punishment a good or bad thing?  (Who can say.) 

Oh and when it comes to death in a modern society, look at the statistics on this page:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm
If you follow the links, you'll see that things like "Assualt (homocide)" is pretty far down the list, generally around #15.  Politically charged issues like 'guns' are often overblown.  A madman with a gun can kill 20-or-so people before he is stopped, but a madman with an explosive can kill more, and a madman with a poison or toxin can kill even more.  Yet the gun is often illegal, and the latter two are legal (explosives are used for mining and demolition, and toxins are avaliable over-the-counter in supermarket and hardware store shelves).  And even many places where guns are allowed often had oddball laws... in the US many states guns are legal but nunchaku, double-edged blades, brass knuckles, etc. are illegal (a gun is clearly more dangerous than any of these other archaic weapons).
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Post by: xjapan on December 14, 2006, 03:47:07 am
The problem with questions like this (murder, guns, death penalty, if you had a death note..., etc.) is that questions like 'is it a good thing' and 'is it a bad thing' can't be answered at the moment of knowing.

You,ve said it Sindo. I agree with ya. Its prolly the most legit answer to the is killing good / bad thing.
You,ve also provided an excelent reference in the form of that fable.

And even many places where guns are allowed often had oddball laws... in the US many states guns are legal but nunchaku, double-edged blades, brass knuckles, etc. are illegal (a gun is clearly more dangerous than any of these other archaic weapons).

This is most probably because of the other uses for guns besides killing , hunting , sharpshooting as a sport. etc.
Therefore there are other uses for guns besides hurting people.
I doubt you could bring a numchuck and say that you,re going deer hunting
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Post by: keepergirl on December 14, 2006, 03:52:57 am
I see that keepergirl and I come from completely diffrent places here, when you list reasons for the death penalty I only see reasons why not to have it. And the last point is quite intresting, all though completely nonsense. The main point after catching criminals is to get them back into civilization. If you look at murdercases, how many murderes actually commit another one? A tiny persentage, and they are mostly part of organized crime. Which i said earlier is something to strike hard down on.

Anyway, I think most of your points are based on ignorance, no matter how much facts you cough up. I don't think I will ever understand the death penalty, even if someone would rape my girlfriend I would not want to see them dead. Better with a lifetime of regret than a few years of martyrdom.

This has gotten quite off topic so I will let this be for now. We could talk more on IRC if you want  ;)
Did you really think I would let this die with your post in which you imply I'm ignorant? 

You and I do come from very different places, geographically, culturally, and mentally. 
As for your belief that our main goal in catching criminals is to rehabilitate them and release them, I completely disagree (and this is the root of our entire disagreement).  I feel the main goal in catching criminals should be to make society safer for the innocent people.  Rehabilitation as a goal has continually failed in US prisons, which is a cause of repeated offenses.  Some people can NEVER fit into a civilized society.  It's something I said earlier and I still believe it.  And yet, these people are allowed back on to the streets to commit the crimes, and more innocent lives are shattered. 
It is true that murder has a lower repeated offense rate than most other crimes, even in the US.  This is simply because (in the US) most murderers get life imprisonment, so they are kept out of society. 
Regarding your 'lifetime of regret' line, do you really think most people who commit crimes worth the death penalty feel regret?  I can assure you that most do not.  Reading some last lines before death from criminals really demonstrates how cold to the core these people are.

It appears, hostghost, that you and I are just too different in our fundamental beliefs to ever come close to agreeing on this topic.  It seems to me that you are an idealist, and hold optimistic views regarding other people.  I, on the other hand, am a realist for the most part.  I think our (the US's) penal system is too lax on people who commit felonies and on people who are repeat offenders.  I also feel the entire system needs an overhaul, but I know that that will probably never happen.  Regardless, I think we should just agree to disagree here.  Much like the offer given to me, if you would like to discuss this topic more, feel free to PM me on IRC.

If you follow the links, you'll see that things like "Assualt (homocide)" is pretty far down the list, generally around #15.  Politically charged issues like 'guns' are often overblown.  A madman with a gun can kill 20-or-so people before he is stopped, but a madman with an explosive can kill more, and a madman with a poison or toxin can kill even more.  Yet the gun is often illegal, and the latter two are legal (explosives are used for mining and demolition, and toxins are avaliable over-the-counter in supermarket and hardware store shelves).  And even many places where guns are allowed often had oddball laws... in the US many states guns are legal but nunchaku, double-edged blades, brass knuckles, etc. are illegal (a gun is clearly more dangerous than any of these other archaic weapons).
I agree 100% with all this.  These issues are often overblown, particularly gun control.  That's actually why I did not want this discussion to turn into a debate about guns, because there is no conclusive evidence for either side of the argument (although the same can probably be said about the death penalty).
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Post by: twik on December 14, 2006, 06:50:26 am
"Once there was a farmer whose horse ran away. His neighbor came over to tell him he felt sorry for him, only to be told in return: "Who knows what is good or bad?" It was true. The next day the horse returned, bringing with it eleven wild horses it had met during its adventurous escape. The neighbor came over again, this time to congratulate the farmer on his good fortune. Only to be told once again "Who knows what is good or bad? True this time too; the next day the farmer's son tried to tame one of the wild horses and fell off, breaking his leg. His neighbor came back again one more time to express how bad he felt But for the third time all the farmer had to say was: "Who knows what is good or bad?" And once again the farmer was correct, for this time, the king of that land had started a war and the following day soldiers came by to draft young men into the army, but because of his injury the son was not taken."

Interesting tale, but it doesn't quite fit.  The discussion is about good vs evil.  In this case, what you refer to as "good" or "bad" could be more accurately translated as "fortune" or "misfortune."  I challenge anyone to assign a value of inherent evilness to a horse running away or a kid breaking his leg while riding.  On the other hand, using the Death Note (<= feeble attempt at staying on topic) to commit murder strikes me as belonging to another category.  Still, it's a great story that gives us something to remember when we are faced with adversity.  Thanks for posting it.

Anyway, I think most of your points are based on ignorance, no matter how much facts you cough up.

Whoa, bad form there buddy.  Let's keep it civil.
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Post by: Sindobook on December 14, 2006, 05:33:54 pm
You can say that, but again, which does society judge harshly, and which favorably?  One who, with evil intent, commits an act that brings about great fortune, or one who, with good or benevolent intent, commits an act that brings about great misfortune?  And not just society's judgement, but which person does more good?  And how will history judge him?

One of the roles of advanced society and culture is to channel the 'evil intent' in this manner.  For instance, with capitalism, a despicable, greedy, power-hungry, evil man can start a business with the intent to become filthy rich with more money than he can spend.  Even if he gives nothing to charity or cares to help others, his business provides livelihood to thousands, with employment, and his extravagant lifestyle and purchases of luxury items help other businesses.  Though he has never committed a single act out of 'good' intent, or a single 'good' act, much good has come about because of him, and the world is a better place b'cos the evil man was born, and allowed to live. 

苍天已死,黄天当立,岁在甲子,天下大吉
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Post by: twik on December 14, 2006, 08:34:49 pm
Though he has never committed a single act out of 'good' intent, or a single 'good' act, much good has come about because of him, and the world is a better place b'cos the evil man was born, and allowed to live. 

One could argue that even though this hypothetical person is without good intent, he has in fact committed many good acts in your example about capitalism.  On paper this guy is no different than someone who does all the same things as him out of love.  Just as the worst of things can come from the best of intentions, it looks like the opposite case is true here.

Are intentions thus irrelevant?  Obviously not.  You and I can both tell the difference when the intentions are known, but practically speaking, the intentions behind any act committed by someone other than yourself may be unknown and can often only be inferred.  Fiction is a rare case in which all the intentions behind a given act may be known, but in real life this just isn't the case.  I like to believe that good intentions most often lead to good outcomes, just as bad intentions lead to bad, but as you've pointed out there can be exceptions to this.  Thus, society must judge based on actions and not intent. 

This disconnect between actions and intentions can lead us to trouble.  In Light's case, we know not only what he is done, but the reason for each action.  I won't go so far as to say it is easy to judge him, but at least we have all the facts.  However, take a real life case and what do you do?  Since we most often do not know 100% what someone who commits murder was thinking at the time, at best society can only project what the original intent was in deciding a punishment.  Some might reason that the only way murder could be committed is if the perpetrator has no respect for life.  Others might see a circumstance in which it was unpreventable, and thus the person should have a second chance.  There is bound to be clashing as we've seen here already in the debate about the death penalty.
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Post by: xjapan on December 14, 2006, 09:20:08 pm
hmm we,ve really talked about justifying killing here.
Well but we need to focus on justyfing Light's killing
Looking from Lights point of view. He looks at himself as God / Justice.
But from an outsiders point of view, hed be a smart pyscho abusing his unjust power.
As for intentions. he intends to do good but obviously hes not.
So, even if my intenions are good, what i,m doing might be bad. Yet can i be called evil?
I believe that theres a thin border to that. something like baking a cake for your moms birthday
but messing up the kitched couldnt be called evil.
Yet i feel that what Light is doing can
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Post by: Michael on December 14, 2006, 10:44:50 pm
Ok, I generally find philosophy pretty boring, however how I see it is that whether or not a person sees Light 's actions as justified depends on whether or not you agree with the belief that "the ends justify the means" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_ends_justify_the_means).

Really, this whole argument/stance boils down to this philosophical question.
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Post by: Sindobook on December 14, 2006, 10:52:20 pm
Actually when it comes to murder, intent and/or malice is the main differentiator between Murder, Voluntary Manslaughter, and Involuntary Manslaughter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter

"The law generally differentiates between levels of criminal culpability based on the mens rea, or state of mind. This is particularly true within the law of homicide, where murder requires either the intent to kill, or a state of mind called malice, or malice aforethought, which may involve an unintentional killing but with a willful disregard for life."

And in the case of fiction you typically only see surface thoughts.  This is often an incomplete picture.  If the subconscious wants to kill out of malice, the conscious mind can find 'logical' or 'permissible' reasons to justify the killing, in order to please one's character and conscience.  This conscious reasoning doesn't automatically make (him) a good character or one with, at least, good intentions. 
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Post by: twik on December 16, 2006, 08:49:21 am
I won't get into details since many people will not have seen #11 yet, but I have to say, I really like where the show is going.  As always, job well done by LLE.
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Post by: MorgothErmis on December 16, 2006, 02:31:24 pm
damn,all of the sites hosting Direct Download of DN are down  :-\
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Post by: xjapan on December 16, 2006, 04:01:08 pm
WOO 11 is out. kudos to LLE for another speedy and quality release.

erm even though this has nothing to do with DeathNote. Check this out especially if you,re a NANA fan.

http://www.myspace.com/tianzi
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Post by: tlynnec on December 21, 2006, 07:28:46 am
Whoa.  I ignore the thread for a week and I have four solid pages of long intelligent posts to read!  *note to self: keep up with the thread!!!* 

I want to reply but so many points were made!  Plus I just read volume 8 of the manga and now i'm afraid i'll spoil something  ;)  guess i'll jsut have to wait and join in on the next point  ::)

Oh, and thanks for the assorted compliments folks! *bows*
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Post by: xjapan on December 23, 2006, 04:11:39 pm
T_T no deathnote. o well i wont whine but tlynnec whay do ya read the manga? DN movie 2 : the last name comes out in singapore in 4 days time
i wont watch it though for spoilers. the anime is best = )
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Post by: woonie on December 24, 2006, 04:26:06 am
Watching the movie won't be that spoilerific, coz it has a rather different storyline compared to the anime, though the main idea about deathnote is still there.

wahaha yeah i can't wait for dec 28 XD
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Post by: tlynnec on December 25, 2006, 01:33:18 am
tlynnec whay do ya read the manga?

Because I started reading the manga long before the anime started, so I'm thoroughly hooked on the manga . ;D 
Good thing too, since L-E would never have picked up DN if I hadn't wanted to do it and talked everyone else into it  :P
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Post by: twik on December 25, 2006, 05:49:11 am
Because I started reading the manga long before the anime started, so I'm thoroughly hooked on the manga . ;D 
Good thing too, since L-E would never have picked up DN if I hadn't wanted to do it and talked everyone else into it  :P

That's interesting.  Do you feel that your work on the series is influenced by your experience with the manga or are you treating it one episode at a time?
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Post by: tlynnec on December 25, 2006, 10:28:34 pm
just taking it one episode at a time. Fortunately, the storylines and even the dialogue are almost identical, so its easy to enjoy both without feeling like one is "wrong" or "right." 
And I know someone's going to ask: no, we do NOT copy dialogue from the manga, the show is entirely translated by ear... though I do check the manga to make sure names are spelled right! ;)
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Post by: xjapan on December 26, 2006, 04:19:46 am
Fortunately, the storylines and even the dialogue are almost identical, so its easy to enjoy both without feeling like one is "wrong" or "right." 

Ah thats nice to hear. There are times where the Manga is more in depth than the anime
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Post by: tlynnec on December 26, 2006, 11:03:30 am
yeah, i've been really impressed with the adaptation to anime so far. ^_^
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Post by: MorgothErmis on December 27, 2006, 12:48:58 am
i can't wait for 12 to be released  :o >:( >:( >:( :o
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Post by: Tsubasa on December 27, 2006, 12:56:08 am
no  >:( always  ;D

-Tsubasa
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Post by: MorgothErmis on December 27, 2006, 01:05:48 am
excuse my impatience  ::)
but i want to see it!
Death Note is my favourite anime...
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Post by: xjapan on December 27, 2006, 08:53:59 am
Death Note is my favourite anime...

Dont get me wrong here. Death Note is an awesome anime and everyone has their own favourites. in my opinion death note is really nice but definitely not my favourite.
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Post by: MorgothErmis on December 27, 2006, 01:02:52 pm
Well it's your opinion .I guess you're more into the traditional anime style.I prefer modern anime.
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Post by: kayryn on December 27, 2006, 08:26:52 pm
I actually find it genuinely hard to find a favourite anime. I just can't label one, as I know so may great ones. Death note is most certainly top 5, maybe even top 3.

And yus, the anime adaption is really good in comparison to the mnaga. They're kinda rushing it, yet not leaving out any details. I think they left out somethign a while back, or put something in a different oder, but it was somethig hardly noticeable...and I can't even remember what it was, jsut thinking it.

I'm currently listening to the OST (which was released today) and the music is pretty darn dramatic. When watching the episode, I hardly noticed the music, though it probably brought out certain elements of scenes without even really being noticeable, if that makes any sense. I remember when Light wrote in the 'Note, the music made it seem much more...evil? for lack a better word.

I'll presume we're not allowed tog ive details as to where the OST can be found?
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Post by: tlynnec on December 27, 2006, 08:45:31 pm
hehe, since the main anime ost mp3 group has released it, i think we all know where to find it ^_~

Yeah the musicc awesome.  I noticed it in the first ep and then later, especially during the tennis match and I've been waiting for it to be released too.

*huggles her mp3s*
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Post by: Amane on December 27, 2006, 10:28:24 pm
I'm listening to OST now and it's really great. Especially L's Theme is awesome. I believe that I missed most of the music while watching the episodes so now I can appreciate it even more.

I hope my neighbours won't call the police because of the deafening music  ;)
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Post by: Tfphoenix on December 27, 2006, 11:00:00 pm
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I'm listening to OST now and it's really great. Especially L's Theme is awesome. I believe that I missed most of the music while watching the episodes so now I can appreciate it even more.

I hope my neighbours won't call the police because of the deafening music 

Yeah the OST is awesome =D
I like L's Theme B  :P


I actually find it genuinely hard to find a favourite anime. I just can't label one, as I know so may great ones. Death note is most certainly top 5, maybe even top 3.

I haven't watched much anime yet as ive started watching 1 year ago, but i do know i already have the same problem as you  :D
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Post by: kayryn on December 28, 2006, 02:31:34 am
I started watching a couple of years ago. There are a few series' that I thought to be my favourites, such as Gravitation, which I watched about a million times, all at once, until i read the manga and realised how shit it actually was, save for the voice actors (kazuhiko Inoue <3<3). And its actually so difficult to pick one one top one out of all of them, as they all have their good points and bad points. So far, Death note, for me, only has good points. however, I know there'll be bad points coming up, so I can't claim it as a favourite.
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Post by: twik on December 28, 2006, 02:41:40 am
So far, Death note, for me, only has good points.

I feel the same way.  Can't say anything bad about this show, but there are other shows I might consider my favorite.  Still, Death Note is definitely in my top 5 and certainly no other anime has made me think as much as this one.
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Post by: Michael on December 28, 2006, 10:45:42 pm
My faves from the OST

Jiken
Light's Theme
L's Theme
Kitai
Tokusou Kira han
Taikutsu
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Post by: MorgothErmis on December 29, 2006, 10:37:30 pm
I just saw episode 12 (I waited sooo long for it)
The episode was great!Too bad I have to wait again to watch the other one..I know I am acting weird but it's because I like death note a lot..
 ;)
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Post by: kayryn on December 30, 2006, 02:00:23 pm
Have jsut seen epsiode 12 and most certaily haven't been let down! I'm so glad to see they've made Misa-Misa blonde. In the opening, it looked like she was a brunette. And that bit where L goes "if you don't take out the part that says 'I don't mind if you kill L', I'll die" and then peered over at Light was like....ultimate fangirl for me. One ofn my favourite bits in the manga, I msut say. It's so brilliant they left it in.

Along with L freaking out about the Death Gods. I suppose if I hadn't read the manga, I'd have thought he was having a heart attack.... How many of you thought he was?
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Post by: twik on December 30, 2006, 11:40:26 pm
When I saw "Asahi Light" go across the bottom of the screen my first thought was whether Asahi had come out with a new light beer and if this was some play on words.
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Post by: Satsujin on December 31, 2006, 07:52:56 am
Just dropping in to give you all kudos for your work.  :-*
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Post by: Lust on December 31, 2006, 11:53:44 am
Along with L freaking out about the Death Gods. I suppose if I hadn't read the manga, I'd have thought he was having a heart attack.... How many of you thought he was?

my initial thought was that he was over-reacting because in the first moment it seemed like one of those reactions where you're in the process of eating something and you get a surprise.

as several seconds passed and he fell i changed to, "there's no way he can be having a heart attack this early"

the episode left me with a distinct craving for strawberry sundae.
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Post by: Cougar on December 31, 2006, 08:03:47 pm
The episode was really good. I like how it explained more about the other Kira (the girl). I liked the ending too when Light and the girl are wondering about each other. They are closer than they think  ;)

Can't wait for the next episode.

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Post by: tlynnec on January 02, 2007, 05:39:49 am
yeah, it did look a bit like a heart attack at first.  i think they overdid that reaction a little, but otherwise it was a great ep!

FYI, there is no episode airing this week, so it'll be two weeks between episodes again :(
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Post by: Michael on January 02, 2007, 05:42:30 am
Bah.  I want more Misa.
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Post by: Iusty on January 05, 2007, 05:36:35 am
I've seen enough Misa and her ,,creativity" to last me a life time :D Her letter, her intent, her story, hell even her job are just random accourances, and her mind is just... NOT there. I didn't even imagine that that girl would actually complicate the fight between Light and L with all those direct references to Death Gods and their eyes. Light managed to pull it off for a while with the whole ,,code" idea, but I wonder if his little game won't fall appart from that stupid joke that almost burned him during the camera incident, as in telling L about Death Gods (eating apples, lol).
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Post by: KAX on January 05, 2007, 07:33:30 pm
a few things i noticed about this episode.

Light made a loud gasp when she mentioned the eyes, how did no one see that?

agreed on L's overacting display, to have such a calm and collected guy fall out of his chair is too much

and last but not least, when the girl showed up to get her sundae, wouldnt the two death gods see each other? Im assuming they would, but then the next question would be, would they tell their human friends about it?


and why no death note this week?!?!?!!!!!1?11/
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Post by: Michael on January 05, 2007, 07:55:33 pm
I've seen enough Misa and her ,,creativity" to last me a life time :D Her letter, her intent, her story, hell even her job are just random accourances, and her mind is just... NOT there. I didn't even imagine that that girl would actually complicate the fight between Light and L with all those direct references to Death Gods and their eyes. Light managed to pull it off for a while with the whole ,,code" idea, but I wonder if his little game won't fall appart from that stupid joke that almost burned him during the camera incident, as in telling L about Death Gods (eating apples, lol).
Well, it's not her personality or intelligence that makes me want more Misa per se... it's that she's fking HOTTTT.

Other than that I think she's one helluva crazy dense chick.  Still... seriously though until Misa was introduced, Death Note has given only the female watchers someone to swoon over, Light and L.

Of course Misa would be more attractive to me if she were smart and beautiful, but I'll settle for crazy hot chick if that's all Death Note gives me. :P
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Post by: Nyaz on January 05, 2007, 09:40:26 pm
Hello everyone on this forum, you probably haven't seen me before, but Death Note demands my attention here.

Because it rules.

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a few things i noticed about this episode.

Light made a loud gasp when she mentioned the eyes, how did no one see that?

agreed on L's overacting display, to have such a calm and collected guy fall out of his chair is too much

and last but not least, when the girl showed up to get her sundae, wouldnt the two death gods see each other? Im assuming they would, but then the next question would be, would they tell their human friends about it?

About the gasp, I was thinking about it too, I was just waiting for the people around him to turn toward him and ask "What is it?". But no such luck... or unluck.

I honestly thought L was being killed by Misa when he fell out of the chair like he did, wondering how the hell it had happened.

I wouldn't go as far as saying that Light and Misa are 'friends' to the Death Gods. I mean, seriously... they are mostly there to watch the show :)

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and why no death note this week?!?!?!!!!!1?11/

Although it is rude to ask hard-working people what the hell they are doing, I'm so excited to see the next episode I'm almost asking that myself :)
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Post by: Michael on January 05, 2007, 09:47:25 pm
There is no Death Note this week because no episode aired in Japan this week.

You can't fansub what doesn't exist.
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Post by: Nyaz on January 05, 2007, 11:22:05 pm
Augh! The horror!
We must make them see the wrong in their ways. There must be Death Note.
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Post by: twik on January 05, 2007, 11:35:11 pm
Other than that I think she's one helluva crazy dense chick.

That's what makes her dangerous.
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Post by: tlynnec on January 06, 2007, 09:36:28 am
aaarrrggg... reading these last couple posts it has been SO hard to keep my mouth shut.  Curse you manga spoilers, curse you!  I'll just say that Misa has more than her looks to make her interesting...
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Post by: Kyouya on January 06, 2007, 03:40:49 pm
this show is gonna be hella sad later. that guy is so gonna die. man just thinking about it is hella sad. well when that guy dies it'll be all over. we should vote who thinks that smart guys gonna die. this not gonna be a good ending.
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Post by: tlynnec on January 07, 2007, 04:27:08 am
"that guy" ... wow, that was elucidating
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Post by: Michael on January 07, 2007, 04:39:27 am
aaarrrggg... reading these last couple posts it has been SO hard to keep my mouth shut.  Curse you manga spoilers, curse you!  I'll just say that Misa has more than her looks to make her interesting...
Is she not as dense as she seems?  Please tell me it's true.  Looks + brains = ultimate sexy.
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Post by: tlynnec on January 07, 2007, 04:50:26 am
guess you'll just have to wait and see  ;)

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Post by: kayryn on January 07, 2007, 12:58:38 pm
...I didn't see ANY other qualities in Misa....at all in the manga. Message me to tell me what you're thinking of??

And to whomever asked of the two Death Gods could see eachother, in the manga, the scene on the cafe doesn't happen.

You'll just have to keep watching to gain any furthur insight.
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Post by: tlynnec on January 07, 2007, 10:15:35 pm
yeah, the scene in the cafe does't happen in the manga. but the manga also makes it clear (later) that a death god can't tip off their human to the presence of another death god; so the scene in the cafe could happen without revealing light and misa to each other, though obviously Rem and Ryuk would know.

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Post by: mikala on January 08, 2007, 12:00:19 am
i would like to add that people can use the spoiler tag to add spoiler if needed :
use it like this : [ spoiler ] your spoil [ /spoiler ] .
Just be sure to remove the space
exemple :
[spoiler]The Spoiler[/spoiler]
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Post by: Michael on January 08, 2007, 12:23:38 am
i would like to add that people can use the spoiler tag to add spoiler if needed :
use it like this : [ spoiler ] your spoil [ /spoiler ] .
Just be sure to remove the space
exemple :
Could always use the code tag instead of having to add spaces.

Code: [Select]
[spoiler]your spoiler[/spoiler]

^_^
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Post by: KAX on January 08, 2007, 04:54:54 pm
There is no Death Note this week because no episode aired in Japan this week.

You can't fansub what doesn't exist.

well thats obvious.  my question was more along the lines of, why didn't it air in japan?

yeah, the scene in the cafe does't happen in the manga. but the manga also makes it clear (later) that a death god can't tip off their human to the presence of another death god; so the scene in the cafe could happen without revealing light and misa to each other, though obviously Rem and Ryuk would know.


ah, i never heard that rule before, just that Ryuk said he wouldn't help Light in getting someones name.  And I also havent seen the manga, i prefered to wait for the episodes, makes them more exciting.
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Post by: syprate on January 08, 2007, 11:07:40 pm
ya when does it air because i want to watch it so badly. Go Youtube where there is an amzing number of fans. One person posted episode 13 and got 18,000 hits thought they lied and it was jsut junk.
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Post by: Cougar on January 09, 2007, 04:18:13 am
ya when does it air because i want to watch it so badly. Go Youtube where there is an amzing number of fans. One person posted episode 13 and got 18,000 hits thought they lied and it was jsut junk.

I clicked it too. That was such BS. He just took the opening theme and then took a couple pictures just to make it look like an episode. Such a waste of time on his part.
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Post by: Tsubasa on January 09, 2007, 08:18:43 am
Episode 13 airs this week so we'll sub it like we do every week it airs. No more stressing on this please.

-Tsubasa
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Post by: kayryn on January 09, 2007, 09:43:10 pm
They usually show other stuff around christmas. It happens with most shows. Naruto's stopped for the week, too.
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Post by: CaptainRandom77 on January 10, 2007, 06:32:57 am
Hey I just started on DN, and am caught up to ep 12 now.  Ive got the routine down of Bleach on Wednesday, and Naruto on Thursday, and Id like to know what day the DN eps usually show up, thanks in advance. :)
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Post by: ArchShanker on January 10, 2007, 06:37:50 am
I think like thursday or friday
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Post by: enzi on January 10, 2007, 01:58:03 pm
omfg cant wait on the new episode :D
me and all the other stoners are just waiting on it for 2 weeks and can bearly hold it :D
good to c it's almost there :D

and i just started on this forum but i want to thank the live-evil staff cuz deathnote from this team is always top notch :D thx u guyz :D <3
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Post by: DragonboyVNY on January 10, 2007, 06:49:35 pm
I am passing to voice my concerns...

That your work is AMAZINGLY good! n_n

I just started the manga, and decided why not try out the anime since my brother in law taught me about torrents a lil and port forwarding and the like.

I was so addicted to the project so far, I watched all the 12 episodes in a row last night! I was up till 5 in the morning, and wanted MORE!!! heh, and Im supposed to be studying.  Why couldn't we all be like Light!

( some may secretly say they are more wishful wanting to be like L (O_o))

Keep up the great work! Some of the official english subbers in some Hong Kong anime box sets have alot to learn from you!
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Post by: kyu on January 10, 2007, 06:51:30 pm
I also think your work on Death Note is exceptional

keep it up -  ;D
Title: TOPIC LOCKED: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
Post by: Tsubasa on January 11, 2007, 10:52:34 am
It has been confirmed that Death Note has been officially licensed by Viz. Visit http://www.animeondvd.com/news/pr.php?pr_view=915 (http://www.animeondvd.com/news/pr.php?pr_view=915) for details. So sorry guys, we are having to drop this series permanently. TOPIC LOCKED. Thanks for all the support you've given us.

-Tsubasa