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Title: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: gumbaloom on June 18, 2006, 05:31:14 pm
Taken from the Home page

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Live-Evil regretfully announces that both Tsubasa Chronicles and Nana are dropped.

First, for Tsubasa, Live-Evil will discontinue their participation in the project. Tofusensei, who was the only person from Live-Evil working on the project has been unable to keep his promises regarding getting things done on a reliable schedule. Dattebayo is willing to continue the project alone if a suitable translator can be found. For more details on this you can see Dattebayo’s press release on their site.

Second, It deeply saddens me to announce that Live-Evil is dropping Nana, a project that I personally enjoyed working on very much. Again, this is due to Tofusensei’s lack of participation in the project, for which he comprised 1/2 of the staff along with myself and Vash. Similar to Tsubasa Chronicles, Live-Evil does not have the resources to continue the project at this time. If you happen to be an extraordinarily skilled translator, contact interactii on rizon or etg, and we’ll see if perhaps we can work something out, but I’m not very hopeful.

I wish to apologize to all the fans who have wanted, in earnest, for our releases on these projects, and let me tell you I’m very disappointed in Tofusensei, who made continuous promises on these series, only to break them.

Meanwhile, I encourage you to check out our other projects, there’s some really exciting stuff going on, so stay tuned!

–interactii

DB is giving a 1 week grace period for new translators to volunteer to continue both projects as DB solo projects. See interactii on rizon.

Discuss here ->

-gumbaloom
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: interactii on June 18, 2006, 05:42:06 pm
DB's Offical Statement:

Press Release - 6/18/2006

DB to Drop Tsubasa Joint

Dattebayo decided today that it would tentatively drop "Tsubasa Chronicles Second Season" after several bumpy releases and three weeks without script delivery.

Tofusensei of Live-Evil, who was responsible for episode translation as well as episode encoding, did not deliver scripts to Dattebayo for the third consecutive week, after making numerous promises to deliver scripts prior to that. He was also the only member of the Live-Evil staff involved on this project, other than interactii, who is involved in both groups.

The original agreement with Tofu-sensei was to have scripts to us by Saturday Mornings, and episodes released late Saturday Nights, in the same way we very successfully conducted the first season of Tsubasa Chronicles.

At this time, Live-Evil is officially dropped from the project, as they do not have the resources to fill out the project, and DB is opening the project to other translators for a period of one week. If no suitable translator is found within one week, the project will be permanently dropped.

Any translators wishing to apply should have moderate prior fansubbing expirence (completion of at least one complete season of a 26 episode show) and will be subject to a test episode. They must be available to deliver a completed script no later than 12 PM Eastern Time, Saturday with the delivery of a 6 AM Eastern Time Raw. DB would also be willing to consider a new joint on the project.

DB would like to reiterate, that the failure is entirely the responsibility of Tofusensei, and not Live-Evil. They worked hard with us to the best of their resources and should the opportunity come up again, DB would be happy to work with Live-Evil.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 18, 2006, 05:43:37 pm
Uhhh, some tips for people wanting to volunteer.  Make sure you have a very reliable and high speed net connection and you don't have to bother about school and such daily responsibilities.  But people who are willing to help, please contact interactii....you're willingness to volunteer wil be truly appreciated by us Tsubasa fans.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: ShinnenNoHane on June 18, 2006, 06:19:09 pm
Most sad of news!! I hope someone with enought talent on subbing comes soon, I am missing so much the show.  :'(
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: ace1262 on June 18, 2006, 07:28:56 pm
*sigh* Never mind, perhaps tofu's workload had caught up with him...*sigh*

Well, i have to wait for Tsubasa to appear in my country, which is definitely not within this few years..I am sad to hear it though...but me try to pick up on Yawara as well...

A Tribute to TSC...

Farewell Dear Sakura,
Your Innocence and Memories will always be us
Goodbye Friendly Syaoran,
Whose fiery spirit burns brightly with each passing wind
Adieu, White Fye D. Flowright,
Your flamboyance unparalleled save Brazil's
Goodspeed Swift Kurogane,
May you find your Path home,
Also our Manju Bun Mokona, Soel,
Your cuteness we will dearly miss

May all find happiness
In their unforgiving worlds
May the elusive feathers be with them
As they traverse across Earths
Even when we are gone
We hope for the best
For your quest

Oh, Noble Travellers
We will rest
But in Our Hearts
We Attest
We Convict
We Confess
We're behind you
All the way
Till the end
Of Your weary quest
And days....

All the way...
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tofusensei on June 18, 2006, 08:14:50 pm
O_O;

-Tofu
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: ace1262 on June 18, 2006, 08:26:30 pm
nice of you to drop bye TOFUSENSEI!!!! ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: ShinnenNoHane on June 18, 2006, 08:44:12 pm
Yay!! Tofuー先生!! Nice seeing you came back, even though I'm new here I could sense everyone were deadly worried  ;)

It comes the time to thank you for all your hard work done on TC! It was just great!! :D
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: ShinnenNoHane on June 18, 2006, 08:57:16 pm
By the way: Ace, excellent poem, just what I feel putted into words...
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: ace1262 on June 18, 2006, 09:00:45 pm
Your most certainly welcome! ;)
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: mamochan on June 18, 2006, 09:02:50 pm
Well well well, look what the cat dragged in >_>
*gets out the rope and ties up Tofu*
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: ace1262 on June 18, 2006, 09:04:44 pm
Well, you will have to forgive him...they did this for us for free ya know...
If he's paid then that's a different story altogether....
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 18, 2006, 09:15:07 pm
I still haven't lost hope...
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: ShinnenNoHane on June 18, 2006, 09:20:19 pm
I haven't either... hope is the last thing you ever lose, and I haven't lost it yet...
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: ace1262 on June 18, 2006, 09:22:04 pm
Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. ~ English proverb
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 18, 2006, 09:51:15 pm
I think banania needs a break. (Now don't ask who she is...)
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Yunie on June 18, 2006, 10:33:58 pm
That tribute is so sad... ;-;
As for Tsubasa, I don't have my hopes up because you guys have many other series to sub and not just special treatment to Tsubasa and NANA
(I think that was obvious... o.o)
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Shadic on June 19, 2006, 02:58:56 am
Sad news, but I will get over it. The anime is still simply gorgeous to watch with or without subs. With would be nice but beggers can't be choosers.

Can't really complain because anime fansub has gotten a lot more advance it was back in the day lol. Had to actually place orders for video tapes and they were genlock made too -.-. And Fansubs the whole reason anime came over to America so Thank You guys for introducing good anime to us ^^.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tala on June 19, 2006, 05:17:10 am
............... aiiight kiddies its been fun thanks for season one and yea whatever. guess we all gotta learn japanese or wait for the dvd's = =
n00bism at its high point was displayed here today.

peace
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: archangel on June 19, 2006, 06:07:27 am
Well, I am just relieved that Tofusensei is all right and there is nothing serious.  It's called Fansub love Tofusensei. ;D  Anyway, I hope whatever existing issues  do get worked out to everyone's satisfaction.  I'm sad that a good and happy thing will not continue but I look forward to new projects.  Thanks for the fansubs.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: b4k4ni04 on June 19, 2006, 07:56:15 am
nuuuuu ... not nana too T__T I loved how L-E was doing the ending Karaoke, oh well at least there is still a group on it, and i still have the first 5 eps that were done by L-E ^_^!. guuuuuu i wish i Had a) a better net connection b) experience in translating c) more confidence in my japanese and i'd prolly be sucker enough to attempt to volunteer. then again I understand the raws well enough as is >> << >> ^^; hehe suckers :3;;
I look forward to more works by L-E :D!

~b4k4
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Kaishi Zero on June 19, 2006, 09:13:22 am
Dattebayo is crazy.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Masakari on June 19, 2006, 09:38:09 am
Just becasue I dissapear from IRC doesnt mean Im dead....it means my comptuer is  :( :-\ :'(

I want to belch out an enthusiastic HELL yes for L-E dropping the two biggest steaming turds it has ever subbed.

[retreats to the cave of trolls]
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: MazoneMayu on June 19, 2006, 09:49:36 am
[retreats to the cave of trolls]

 ::)
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Shadic on June 19, 2006, 03:51:23 pm
Yep I just knew Masakari was going to leap for joy soon and was waiting for it lol.

I'm still going to watch it subbed or not heh.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: blueknight on June 19, 2006, 05:01:47 pm
Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. ~ English proverb

well said ace.
hope is the one thing no one can take from you.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED (BULLSHIT...hopefully)
Post by: Tsubasa on June 19, 2006, 05:18:33 pm
Just becasue I dissapear from IRC doesnt mean Im dead....it means my comptuer is  :( :-\ :'(

I want to belch out an enthusiastic HELL yes for L-E dropping the two biggest steaming turds it has ever subbed.

[retreats to the cave of trolls]

You're the biggest, most retarded and most CURRENTly the least productive ass we've ever had.  ::)  Not that I know much about your history...but just know that I'm not the only one who thinks so.  ;)
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 19, 2006, 05:22:22 pm
That tribute is so sad... ;-;
As for Tsubasa, I don't have my hopes up because you guys have many other series to sub and not just special treatment to Tsubasa and NANA
(I think that was obvious... o.o)

Uhhh, are you referring to ME or Tsubasa Chronicle?  ???
And it's not that we don't have the time to sub them, it's Tofusensei's IRL issues, which we must consider as he obviously has a life of his own.  It's not that once Tsubasa or Nana is dropped, he will just forget about them and concentrate on the other projects.  When he gets the time to do it, he'd do it no matter what...thats how he is.  As we all know, these two projects were is personal preference.

 
Dattebayo is crazy.

I'm not saying this as a fansubber/L-E staff but just a personal opinion I had from the time I started watching fansubs...

Well, DB is rather renowned for their super high-speed subbing and taking fansubbing more seriously than probably any other group.  This I do appreciate but again I think DB is just too concerned about their reputation and they should cool down and try to see the big picture.  They don't realize that this is doing nothing to improve their 'reputation' which is already on the negative side from their other acts.  Yes, even I was impatient, but that doesn't mean they would just declare dropping it.  And they're losing it day by day...it's as if they think it's better to drop a famous project than actually be a few weeks late with the release.  In my opinion, they've totally forgotten what's fansubbing about...it's not some big business with deadly deadlines, but you can take it easy, because fansubbing is supposed to be fun.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: archangel on June 19, 2006, 08:31:12 pm
I know what you are speaking about Tsubasa.  As I have said in past posts, I don't often make comments in the forums, but I like to read them (mostly I pick up other interesting anime this way.)  I was a bit stunned by DB's site and commentary etc.  They seem really..."intense"  But who I am to question anyone.  I am after all a lowly leecher with substandard Japanese.   :-\  Anyway, I really like Live Evil's subs, along with a few other fansub groups, and these groups always seem to be the slowest. ;)  But it's worth the wait because the quality is ssssssoooooo good, it just makes the anime experience that much more enjoyable.  I guess it just depends on who you want to cater to at the end of the day and, in my humble opinion, DB caters to those who need the weekly fix.  *shrug*  I do hope at some time, when is most convenient for Tofusensei and other involved individuals, that they do finish the fansubbing of Nana and Tsubasa Chronicles.  Cheers.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Cheez on June 19, 2006, 09:02:10 pm
I do hope at some time, when is most convenient for Tofusensei and other involved individuals, that they do finish the fansubbing of Nana and Tsubasa Chronicles. Cheers.

Ditto What Archangel said ;D ;D ;D  I do think Tofusensei is one heck of a good translator! But I also understand he has a life too!
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Sindobook on June 19, 2006, 09:17:33 pm
When active team members are going to disappear or go away for a period (for any reason) they need to communicate that with anyone and everyone who would need to know, maybe even give a reasonable idea of how long they'll be gone and when they can be expected to return.  I know I always do that; I can only think of one case where I didn't b'cos I was basically abandoning a bunch of bozos and I wanted to leave and never return without saying anything at all.  It is most troublesome when someone who has an active or ongoing role in a project disappears without some kind of acknowledgement or statement as to if or when he will return. 
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 19, 2006, 09:26:18 pm
I suppose he could have at least spared 10 secs in the last 2 weeks to come online and just say that he would be away, even if he didn't tell us the reason.  I mean taking into account whats been happening for so long now...his constant disappearance without giving us any lead has finally done the harm.  Well, at least he is back now, and healthy.  Hopefully, he won't disappear anytime soon. (*sigh*)
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: TsubasaSeraphina on June 19, 2006, 09:47:29 pm
well, I don't know why so many Tsubasa fans are freaking out, since #Yugioh! is taking up Tsubasa (apperantly anyways, I havn't been able to get alot of details, since their doing somthing with their site right now and I don't do IRC) most people ought to have figured that out by now, being as it's not exactly hard to find.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Sindobook on June 19, 2006, 10:01:19 pm
The reason does not really matter, it is irrelevant.  For all it matters he could be in another group and another project in that group was taking up all his time.  It's very simple to say "I will be gone for about 3 weeks, should be back after that, if not I'll contact you guys again".  Even if one does not know when one will be back, a simple message can help other team members know how to proceed (like when our Astrologer was adversely affected by Katrina). 
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 19, 2006, 10:05:25 pm
well, I don't know why so many Tsubasa fans are freaking out, since #Yugioh! is taking up Tsubasa (apperantly anyways, I havn't been able to get alot of details, since their doing somthing with their site right now and I don't do IRC) most people ought to have figured that out by now, being as it's not exactly hard to find.

Cause some people actually care about Tofusensei's translations and us doing the subs and not only about Tsubasa Chronicle...(which I consider selfish).
And nobody has freaked out really.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Vash on June 20, 2006, 12:25:03 am
Well I would like to thank all the people who download are version of Nana and Tsubasa. I would also like to thank everybodys help that worked on both of these series.

I am kinda disappointed in Tofu but I can understand that RL takes up alot of time.

Thank you for the fun times on this series cause I really loved working on something new and being part of the team.

So tofu does this mean we should RETIRE???
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 20, 2006, 12:34:26 am
I doubt Tofusensei would give up.

Go Go Tofu!  ;D
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tala on June 20, 2006, 05:47:11 am
ygo have released 32
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Syaoran-kun on June 20, 2006, 06:05:22 am
X_X
Keep up the hope!
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 20, 2006, 12:09:55 pm
ygo have released 32

Thanks but everyone knows that already.  ;D

Anyways, I appreciate that unlike us, YGO seems to have some real Tsubasa fans amongst their staff.  ::) They did a really good job with it, although I don't really like their ending karaoke.  But still their karaoke stylist is rather cute, because the opening karaoke changes style according to the way the line is sung which I found pretty awesome.  The overall quality of YGO's releases are good...quality sub...and I am impressed with their translator, Shiroro, as well (people you guys should read the credits are not just leech!).  But they did make some errors with their timing of the ending sequence.

Then episode 32 is also a really warm episode and besides Chii looking very pretty and having a cute voice (uhhh, too cute actually) and Fye looking handsome in those tuxedo, the song Dreamscape, sung by FictionJunction KAORI, is rather nice.

Have you guys noticed one thing though, you know there is a lady sitting with a sleeping cat and Mokona at the end of the ending sequence with long black sleeves?  I am pretty sure it's the same lady we got to see a portrait of in episode 32...the one with long black hair...the greatest magician of that country who creates life.  I suppose we will get to see her in a very important role in the future.  ;)

Lets hope for the best. :D
~Cheers.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: kayryn on June 21, 2006, 01:18:44 am
I dunno if we should really be discussing it here, but that "life creating" magician was the person who created Chobits, with her husband, if I'm not mistaken. can't remember what her name was, though.

Also, jsut a quick note I've picked up on, YGO (or however we're abreviating) seems to have fastened the pace on Tsubas a bit. I mean, they released what? 4 episodes in about a week?
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 21, 2006, 02:34:26 am
As for YGO's releasing 4 episodes at once it's because they took a long time after show started to start subbing season 2, took a break again, and then released 30-33.  I am sure by the time they catch up with the broadcast, we won't get the 'it's Saturday night, Tsubasa XX out' like it was with L-E and DB's sub.  They're porbably gonna take a day or two to release.  Then if they do take a break for about a week, I guess we can expect a doube release the following week.

And really someone should take care of the ending karaoke, the font for the subtitles, karaoke style and timing it's so not right.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Cheez on June 22, 2006, 06:45:58 am
And really someone should take care of the ending karaoke, the font for the subtitles, karaoke style and timing it's so not right.

Hey! I ain't complainin' darlin' cuz us Japanese language noobs don't have that kinda luxury ;)  I'm just glad somebody's gettin' em out!   In other words, short of dragging my friend (Japanese native speaker who detests anime of any sort), making this person sit on the coach so they can perform simultaneous translation as  we watch the raw...

Complaining is a luxury...

Having said that, I do hope Tofu and L-E resolve their differences, because together they produce very high quality material...

As for fixes, I'm actually catching up now to past episodes of Galaxy Express  ;D
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 22, 2006, 04:01:27 pm
Tofu and L-E TOGETHER do not produce Tsubasa Chronicle high quality fansubs.  Although L-E resources are used, it's Tofu and DB.  So it should be Tofu and DB, and not L-E, who has to resolve their differences.  ;D As for L-E, as you know, most people here don't care the heck about what happens to their most popular show,  ::) unfortunately. :(
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Sindobook on June 22, 2006, 06:49:38 pm
B'cos we got more important shows like Mami to worrey about.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Dapprman on June 22, 2006, 08:27:54 pm
From my point of view, I would never have thoguht about watching Nana if L-E had not done the sub.  I'd really like to think Tofu and L-E would get time to caryr on with it, but even if it does not (as is likely) happen, cheers guys  ;D
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 23, 2006, 10:18:13 am
Gosh Mami is just....  :-\ It killed le staff practically. :o

Anyways, if L-E didn't care about Tsubasa Chronicle ever, they shouldn't have begun subbing it in the first place. >:(

I personally joined L-E thinking I'd get access to the http link before the actual release is made so no bothering about BT, hence great advantage  ;D ...after all TC is what got me introduced to something called BT and fansubbing.  :) It comes before everything for me...in terms of priority in the weekly download list. :D

And doesn't it mean anything to L-E that they've become more famous due to Nana and TC and that these shows hit high every week?  It's definitely worth subbing them.  I mean what's the point of subbing a series if you get less than 30 downloads.  I mean yes, the people who download them are happy but still doesn't it feel better when the show is actually popular?  I think we need to recruit more staff so that we can get along with projects like Mami as well...I mean yeah Mami is surely taking FOREVER.  :( If I was one of the leechers I'd have given up about getting the entire series subbed on my hard disk by now.  ;D Lucky that I watched the shows on TV before back in Japan.  ;D
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: mamochan on June 23, 2006, 10:39:28 am
Just face the fact that they are dropped.
It ain't coming back.

....and Tsubasa we did care about subbing it. We just can't help life getting in the way.

A shame for Nana though.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: bastard-sama on June 23, 2006, 11:11:29 am
Just face the fact that they are dropped.
It ain't coming back.

....and Tsubasa we did care about subbing it. We just can't help life getting in the way.

A shame for Nana though.


We cared? when did this happen?
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 23, 2006, 11:24:23 am
We cared? when did this happen?

Uhhh...not everyone is a bastard Mr. Bastard.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Shadic on June 23, 2006, 04:43:08 pm
wow it's amazing how some can still bicker about it even after it's been dropped. -.-
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 23, 2006, 09:14:51 pm
The more time passes, the more thoroughly pissed I get about it.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Nao on June 24, 2006, 12:22:47 am
B'cos we got more important shows like Mami to worrey about.
I'm really sorry that I'm too busy to get involved in it for now (won't be available before the end of the summer at the earliest... at least for doing several episodes in a row), but you'll finish the show for sure--if only because it's being released on DVD in France right now, the 26 first episodes are out, the rest is coming soon, I'm pretty sure someone will end up ripping the French subtitles, converting them to SSA and translating them to English. Will save you a lot of hassle... Or, of course, there's also the good old French dub.
I suppose I'm not the only one speaking French here, right? I'm also not the only one who understands Japanese. These two factors can be split among two people, doesn't have to be only one ;)
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 24, 2006, 12:50:54 am
No, you're not the only one who knows Japanese, I am also a translator.  But subbing from a sub reduces accuracy doesn't it?  You seem to really like French subs, dubs...maybe subs but dubs o_O is a no no I think.  Anyway, I think I'll be doing the OVAs from Mami unless you want to.  With Mami actually...there is an urgency of getting it done as soon as possible, so I hope you can return soon.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Sindobook on June 24, 2006, 01:01:14 am
A show could get 10 downloads, it could get 100,000; no one would know the difference. 
Recent polls show that, today, the majority of downloaders do not actually watch the show in question after downloading it, nor do they ever plan to watch it.  For shows with larger download numbers, the ratio of watchers to non-watchers is even worse. 

The downloaders I talk to irl, when I mention a live-evil show like Tsubasa; they admit downloading it but cannot tell me the name of a main character or even the basic plot / premise.  Common reasons given for downloading a show are (1) trading it with friends (for something non-anime they want), (2) selling on e-bay or online, (3) just to collect / archive it, (4) because a lot of other people they know are downloading it. 
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 24, 2006, 01:47:11 am
I realize that I haven't watched over 50% of the stuff I've collected so far...just meant for collection he he.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Nao on June 24, 2006, 02:21:22 am
No, you're not the only one who konws Japanese, I am also a translator.  But subbing from a sub reduces accuracy doesn't it?
Depends on the way you work. I remember my first pro translation back in '94 was for the AD Police manga. There was already a really good English translation available for it (from Studio Proteus IIRC), so I took my Japanese volume, my English volume, translated from English and checked, word for word, from the Japanese text. It allowed me to avoid browsing through my dictionary everytime I stumbled upon a problematic word. (And believe me, AD Police is not far from Shirow stuff in terms of complexity sometimes.)
Well, I still believe it to be one of my best works. And I'm not ashamed to say I borrowed help from the English version. In the end, it's not like I made an inaccurate translation: I did translate it from Japanese.
The Creamy Mami French dub is really not bad at all. There are issues here and there, but it's quite a good text to use as a basis for an English translation. Then, you just need to check the Japanese version for potential mistakes, and, obviously, for the actual way of saying the things.
Today I was reading through a manga translated to French from English. I didn't have the Japanese original under the hand, but it was a blatant example of how bad the French community can be at translating from English (which is something like ten times easier than translating from Japanese). This was in the second or third sentence in the manga: "(I'm very busy with my job) And that job would be... voice actress". He translated that to "Et ce job serait... actrice". Or something like that. It's a litteral translation. You all realize "would" is not used in its usual context here. Well, he translated it as if someone had said, "If I could have a job, then that job would be voice actress".
It's not a flaw to translate with help from a language that is not the original text. It's a flaw when you're a bad translator or you simply don't care at all about doing your job seriously.

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You seem to really like French subs, dubs...
I don't watch much anime, actually. And I only watch them in Japanese with English or French subs. Except for older anime, which I sometimes watch in French, for nostalgia reasons. (French dubs used to be *really* good in the 70's and 80's.)

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maybe subs but dubs o_O is a no no I think.  Anyway, I think I'll be doing the OVAs from Mami unless you want to.
There's an Italian dub available for them (no French dub, though). I don't speak Italian, but I could doublecheck your work against the Japanese version if you'd like.

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there is an urgency of getting it done as soon as possible, so I hope you can return soon.
Do you plan to do the OVAs before actually finishing the TV show? That sounds strange to me.

PS: I'm very tired tonight, sorry if I made any English mistakes in my post.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED, but DAQ26 released today.
Post by: Tsubasa on June 26, 2006, 10:57:26 am
He he, long post Nao. ;D

Interesting though. To tell the truth I'm not a big Mami fan and I'm working on it only so that I can start my own project which is not 'allowed' to start Mami is done.

The TV series is all translated but the OVAS still need it.  Are you still interested in translating those?  Anyway, I'll post the rest of the info in the Mami thread...

It's so lonely..the forums...ever since these two darlings got dropped...people have stopped visiting us.  :'(

But good news today,

DAQ 26 is finally here!!!!
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Now back to Tsubasa Chronicle, Tofusensei is gone AWOL again.  So my hopes are currently down -.-

- Tsubasa


Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: ~caiyu~ on June 26, 2006, 10:20:19 pm
its so lonely cause most people came for NANA and TC..but now since there gone ..i think many people just turned to the yugioh subs .. :-\ i guess they don't see a need to come vist :( i like to come here and just read whats up ..even though my fave show is gone i guess once a L-E fan always a L-E fan ^^
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 27, 2006, 12:30:14 am
I get it, most Tsubasa fans are just greedy and selfish wimps who just care about the their weekly feed and not L-E or DB and don't give a damn to us.  So whatever they're saying about 'OMG! I love L-E' was a complete lie as they said it only for self gain.  It reality they don't care about L-E or wtf happens to it.  Otherwise, they'd never abandon their once beloved forum.  'YGO YGO!  Forget about L-E, it may rot in hell!' huh?

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Shadic on June 27, 2006, 01:47:20 am
I don't think EVERYONE left. Me, personally, I took a leave of absense to focus on studying Japanese. And also for some unknown reason I just felt like watching my old animes, I'm up to .Hack//Sign now.

And Also my Sakura Book Set finally came in the Mail today so I'm watching that again too ^^.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: archangel on June 27, 2006, 10:45:58 pm
There's love still.  I still do hope Tofusensei is all right as you said he's gone again.  Either that or he has some serious drama issues.  :D  I wish L-E still did Nana at least; I miss that one the most.  *sniff*  Still reading and still a L-E fan.   ;)
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Darner on June 28, 2006, 01:46:40 am
it has nothing to do with lack of love for groups its just kinda sorta the nature of how it works.  Just like how at your job, its all the complaints you hear about, and hardly ever do you actually hear the compliments, since people are more willing to gripe rather then thank.


L-E, Thank You!!! ;)

If Nana is ever picked up ill definately snag it, but for now I have another group that I like doing it so I can start watching that again, and as for other stuff you guys are doing, more Yawara for me and mabe a little dipping into Miami when I decide watching another new anime is the right thing to do ( aka. I get tired of playing games on my computer when not working and out with friends, which is pretty often, what can I say, anime is awesome lol, and L-E ranks up there as one of my favorite subbing groups for the stuff that has been done, and the quality of the work you do. )

ok now all im doing is rambling, so Ill just say Thanks, and dissappear again..... *Poof*
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 28, 2006, 02:01:19 am
Yay ^^ Yay^^ I can post now.  Thanks guys for visiting us,  :D, I was beginning to feel very lonely  :( .  The dramatic news of Tsubasa and Nana being dropped did drag the cat back to our channel that day but our most precious translator seems to be AWOL again.  Any one willing to translate for L-E??? 
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Cheez on June 28, 2006, 08:35:12 pm
Hello!  ;D

If I were you, I would not feel abandoned or lonely...  It's just the time of year in some parts of the world called SUMMER!!! ;D ;)  People want to be outside, instead of being cooped up in front of a computer terminal!
 
Also... 2006 is WORLD CUP time! (Go Brazil!)  So my eyes (and probably those of others) have been glued more to the tv set than anywhere else!

On the anime side, many people visited this thread to discuss their favourite show, so when that disappeared, they naturally went to other places where they could talk about it...  Unless you rather people just drop by and write about unrelated topics such as "yesterday I bought this great pair of sandals that so match my pink toes..."

As for me, I've started bying the TC manga (which is beautifully drawn!), and have become hooked on xxxHOlic.

Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 28, 2006, 08:55:02 pm
Hmmm, I also read the TC raw manga of-course, but I've decided I will slow down reading them so that I don't end up knowing what will happen in the anime before even watching it...in other words...the manga kind of spoils it.  To tell the truth I am not a big fan of the anime series as I am a fan of the manga, but now i've begun to feel it's related with the spoilerage the manga brings.  As for the art, nor do I like the anime art nor the manga art...same goes with  xxxHolic.  It seems CLAMP has chosen to change their art so that it's less time consuming and more shounen style (CRAP), but I would rather have the pretty looking character designs and background art that we had for MKR or CCS.

Yeah summer vacation, but no vacation for me I've got lots of work to do now and even after this so called one month vacation is over.  Just a little far from 'welcome to hell'  ;D.

Hmmm, I don't support any of the teams that naturally win like Argentina or Brazil.  You might be surprised to know that I've had the oppurtunity to get one-to-one soccer coaching from the all famous Brazilian soccer star (who played for Japan, actually, he was famous there) Roy Ramos. 

But I'd rather support a country I cared for in general...not only in terms of soccer...and especially if the team is weak and it's worth supporting them.  Teams like Brazil don't even need the support...they'd win anyway...so it's not worth wasting my energy on them.  At any rate, I don't enjoy soccer as much as I used to do before.  If there were three or four teams who played equally well and they had equal chances of getting the cup, only then it would have been exciting for me.

-Tsubasa
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Cheez on June 28, 2006, 09:15:17 pm
It seems CLAMP has chosen to change their art so that it's less time consuming and more shounen style (CRAP), but I would rather have the pretty looking character designs and background art that we had for MKR or CCS.

Hmmn, I don't agree.  Granted, you don't like them as much as their earlier work.  As for me, the style chosen or the style CLAMP has embraced for both TC and Holic suits the theme, which for me is an exploration of desire; therefore the flowing, intricate style so characteristic of Art Nouveau adds an extra layer to their visual narrative.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 28, 2006, 10:16:59 pm
Hmm, but so far only Ashura and Chii looked pretty. Sakura is far from looking cute and Syaoran hot.  In fact, I'm ashamed of CLAMP for such a poor character disgn for TRC and xxxHolic, I really dislike it and thinks it totally sucks.  But I guess it would be appealing to those who like more shounen style. They didn't really put much effort to the art as much as they did with the previous work and to tell the truth, having never read a high level of action-content manga before, I find it hard to follow the manga sometimes.

Of-course the art of CCS/MKR doesn't sui the plot of Tsubasa but at least they would have made Sakura and Syaoran look hoter. Kuro and Fye are okay the way they are...Yuuko is better with this new design.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Shadic on June 28, 2006, 11:35:15 pm
Personally I prefer Sakura and Syaoran to look cute more than hot. I like to think of them as the innocent couple, who's relationship is more about the relationship they share rather than it being a hormone based relationship which usually that's what to me a hot character usually leads to.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 29, 2006, 12:05:03 am
Personally I prefer Sakura and Syaoran to look cute more than hot. I like to think of them as the innocent couple, who's relationship is more about the relationship they share rather than it being a hormone based relationship which usually that's what to me a hot character usually leads to.

I mean Syaoran looked hot in CCS, thats exactly how I want to see him in TC too.  And Sakura did actually look cute in CCS, I want her that way too.  In Tsubasa Chronicle, they don't look cute at all.  Only Sakura's voice is cute.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: TootsiePop on June 29, 2006, 05:19:00 am
I came back to check to see if there were new episodes  for these and found this. Yes, I'm saddened. Tsubasa was the first anime I downloaded, L-E being one of the first fansub places I downloaded from. Nana, well, to me the music was just amazing. It also showed how there could be a connection between two people who share the same name, age, and house, but seemingly have completely opposite personalities from each other. I'm glad, though, that I at least got to see as much of the anime as I saw, and the Nana live-action was also good. I hope the series is continued, but I don't have much of it when some of the other things I watched on here were also discontinued. I am, however, thankful to L-E for trying hard to get the episodes for this out. Sure, Tofu has let us down, but I'm sure there are reasons behind it. Reasons most of us don't have the right to pry about because, let's face it, most of us (maybe even all of us, I'm not sure) don't know Tofu in person.

And as for the World Cup... what about Wimbledon? :-[
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on June 30, 2006, 10:29:35 am
I came back to check to see if there were new episodes  for these and found this. Yes, I'm saddened. Tsubasa was the first anime I downloaded, L-E being one of the first fansub places I downloaded from.

Same goes for me. *sigh*

And Wimby, uhhh not my thing.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Kaishi Zero on July 02, 2006, 05:14:41 am
Ashura-o and Yasha-o look awesome. Can't wait for the 10th episode raw. The music is good too. Brings the manga to life.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on July 02, 2006, 05:34:08 am
Ashura-o and Yasha-o look awesome. Can't wait for the 10th episode raw. The music is good too. Brings the manga to life.

Especially Ashura.  They look a LOT better than they did in the manga,
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED, but DAQ26 released today.
Post by: Nao on July 05, 2006, 02:39:20 pm
He he, long post Nao. ;D

Interesting though. To tell the truth I'm not a big Mami fan and I'm working on it only so that I can start my own project which is not 'allowed' to start Mami is done.
Why don't you do it by yourself? I didn't wait for anyone to "allow" me to start my MushiKing project... (Which, by the way, isn't dropped for now, in the end. We're working on episode 2. It still will be in French only, though.)

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The TV series is all translated but the OVAS still need it.  Are you still interested in translating those?  Anyway, I'll post the rest of the info in the Mami thread...
Yes, I'm still interested. But I really have no free time for now. Still have three contracts to deal with, a new work project is underway, and other things waiting for me. I won't be available before next autumn (although I can still discuss here and show I'm still alive). Anyway the OVAs were all released after the TV show, so it's not really a problem that they're translated after the show is over. Actually, it would be best: since the first OVA uses about 30mn worth of footage from the TV show, it would be good to re-use the exact same translation as in the previously released fansubs. (I'm especially thinking about the last episode...)

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It's so lonely..the forums...ever since these two darlings got dropped...people have stopped visiting us.  :'(
Is it really a problem?
One day L.E will start working on another commercial show, people will come back, will try the other shows, and will stay for these, even after the commercial shows have been dropped. See how many people still enjoy the Berubara releases now.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on July 05, 2006, 03:42:15 pm
Why don't you do it by yourself? I didn't wait for anyone to "allow" me to start my MushiKing project...
Actually this project is an L-E project which was supposed to start quite a while ago, in fact Tofu did translate a bit of the 1st episode.  but then he disappeared and Gum said we can't start that till Mami is done..and so I should help around with translating Mami instead.  So I ended up stuck to Mami.  Unless we get rid of this one, it's no use for me to begin translating my new series...which I practically inspired LE  to continue with instead of dismiss the idea since Mami wasn't finished.

One day L.E will start working on another commercial show, people will come back, will try the other shows, and will stay for these, even after the commercial shows have been dropped. See how many people still enjoy the Berubara releases now.
Well as forthat, we're not allowed to take a a top draw show till we've got the TL power to do so, since Tofu is practically dead as a fansubber.  A greatly anticipated series which will attract a high leecher count and where weekly releases will be expected...you need a 100+% reliable TL for that.  And we just don't have that at the moment.  Besides Tofu who's AWOL, the only non-Matsumoto translators we have are Gumba (trainee translator, first project Trapp) and me (translator for DAQ (first project) and a few future projects, translation checker for Mami), who is also new with an experience limited to tling only DAQ26.  Teppei does TL checking sometimes like he is doing with Aniko now for Trapp.  And then Aniko is the translator for Sailor Moon stuff.  So we really don't have a high experienced, fully reliable, usually available and totally dedicated translator (all 4 together) at the moment.  See the problem?  Hence no 30 000+ downloads show for us T_T.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Nao on July 05, 2006, 04:48:16 pm
So we really don't have a high experienced, fully reliable, usually available and totally dedicated translator (all 4 together) at the moment.  See the problem?  Hence no 30 000+ downloads show for us T_T.
I'll just answer this, because there's really no point.

There is NO problem. L.E has a lot of translators, and they're doing shows they want to see fansubbed. This is the whole point. These shows can be OLD, L.E doesn't care, as long as it's great. 99% of all fansubbers do recent shows and you can be sure all of their works are already being done by other fansubbers.

I'm not interested in even half of L.E's shows, but I'm still very impressed by the fact that it's the only major group that does old shows. And I commend you for that. Do not look at the download numbers. Look at what you've done in the past. (I'm talking to all L.E members, including Tofu!)
Ultimately, you will be judged by your past productions. And you don't have to be ashamed of them!
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on July 06, 2006, 01:32:43 am
All in all, we have only 2 real translators for now, Gum (trainee)and me, willing to work on multiple shows and not just one, besides that, we've got:

Aniko - Sailor Stars, Seramyu
Momoironeko - new TL for GE999


thats all

Now where's Tofu????

And really I want LE to be doing at least 1 new show along with the old ones so that the younger lot---like me???---at least know there is a fansub group out there called live-evil who do some other awesome classic stuff too.  Newer shows are needed for publicity.

Look how many fans have LE gained by doing TC, Nana and ID4---fans as in some of them actually trying out our other older stuff.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Masakari on July 06, 2006, 06:54:53 am
Don`t you learn? Looking for Tofu....Why don`t you go looking for some other mythic beast?

I only TL shows I think Rock. Theres a CHANCE I`ll Do SSX when the time comes, or any other show thats awsome. If BJ wasn`t getting such a thorough Job over at F-B, I would simpy shout オペの準備だ! and off I would be TLing.

Simply put, its wrong to group me soley with the Mastsumoto Peeps. I am an autonomous Troll Unit. I am free to come and Flame as I please.

Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: bastard-sama on July 06, 2006, 07:03:51 am
I am an autonomous Troll Unit. I am free to come and Flame as I please.


Not without my permission :D
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Masakari on July 06, 2006, 09:05:00 am
Not without my permission :D

But if it pertains to....less than desirable projects, surely that permission goes without saying, ye bastard-op?
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Nao on July 06, 2006, 09:17:10 am
I only TL shows I think Rock. Theres a CHANCE I`ll Do SSX when the time comes, or any other show thats awsome.
You do realize half of the SSX episodes suck, don't you? ;)
I mean the middle of the show. The first episodes are really good (up to episode 5 approx.), then the last 3-4 episodes are heartbreaking and fascinating, but the rest is a bit dull... "Been there, done that", you know...
Still, it's one of my top 10 shows, mostly because of the penultimate episode... Probably Kei Tomiyama's best performance ever. (Okay, I didn't see most of his early 60's-70's appearances!)
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on July 06, 2006, 01:00:08 pm
But if it pertains to....less than desirable projects, surely that permission goes without saying, ye bastard-op?

Masabaka, you son of a bitch!
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Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Kaishi Zero on July 14, 2006, 01:55:22 am
Anyone seen last week's one? It's hilarious. Watch this little clip: http://media.putfile.com/Tsubasa-Chronicle-Chibi

The part where Robo-Mokona appears:  ;D
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: Tsubasa on July 29, 2006, 10:19:33 am
Oy, minna doko da???  :o

Have people forgotten the forums?!
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Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: mamochan on July 30, 2006, 10:06:41 am
God.. I wish this thread never existed. Someone kill it now.
Title: Re: Tsubasa & Nana = DROPPED
Post by: DeadAlready911 on July 30, 2006, 10:07:56 am
Ya done son. Ova