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Title: Initial D 4th Stage comments... - Archive Topic (Locked)
Post by: Shift_ on April 22, 2004, 11:04:16 am
Whyyyyyyyyyy did you not do subs for the opening :(  The song is soooo awsome.

Oh yea...when they say "Hatchi-roku" you should leave it as "Hatchi-Roku" because that's what they're reffering it to as :)

86 looks wierd.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Natsus on April 22, 2004, 12:05:48 pm
but that's exactly what hachi-roku stands for... I don't see a reason to leave it as "hachi-roku"

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on April 22, 2004, 12:17:09 pm
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Whyyyyyyyyyy did you not do subs for the opening :(  The song is soooo awsome.

Oh yea...when they say "Hatchi-roku" you should leave it as "Hatchi-Roku" because that's what they're reffering it to as :)

86 looks wierd.

Dogfight, like many of move's songs, is rather difficult to translate (even transliterating it is hard.) Rather than put together a poorly-translated OP, we'd rather just omit it until official lyrics come out. And seeing as how the single is due out May 26th or so, we'll have those lyrics in time for episodes 3 and 4.

As for "hachi-roku", Natsus already answered that. I suppose "eight-six" could be used, but it's not like one way is really better than the other. It's just a matter of personal preference.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vash on April 22, 2004, 12:47:48 pm
I have to agree with Yoten.

I was gonna do a forum on initial D but people beat me to it.

I just wanted to see the feed back on how the ep was.
The more the better so we can improve the next eps for your needs.

Thank you for downloading Ide & L-E initial D.
I hope you all enjoyed it as much as we did.

Thanks
Vash
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: MrHyperactive on April 22, 2004, 02:43:01 pm
Thanks for putting this out, I didn't even know they were gonna do a Fourth Stage... this is grea. Thanks
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Berlkut on April 22, 2004, 09:06:07 pm
Hello,

I don't know if I should be posting this here but here's the question:
I downloaded the RAW episode of initial D and I wanted to know if there's any way to get only the english subtitles without downloading the whole episode again. ???

P.S.- Nice forum
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vash on April 22, 2004, 09:20:04 pm
Sorry Berlkut u will be downloading it again cause we dont give out our scripts.

Sorry man.

Thanks
Vash
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Berlkut on April 22, 2004, 09:45:35 pm
Ok, thanks anyway,  ;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: pacman99 on April 23, 2004, 01:36:21 am
Just a small question....Is it true that Initial D 4th stage raws will be airing only once a month in Japan? or is it gonna be like most anime where they come on every week? Cuz if it's going to take 12 months to air the whole series, well that's gonna really suck :) heh

Thanks
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Syn- on April 23, 2004, 02:19:37 am
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Just a small question....Is it true that Initial D 4th stage raws will be airing only once a month in Japan? or is it gonna be like most anime where they come on every week? Cuz if it's going to take 12 months to air the whole series, well that's gonna really suck :) heh


Oh no, its MUCH WORSE then just once a month.... we get 2 every other month.  So we got 2 in April (back-to-back) and they will air another 2 in June, then another 2 in August, etc.  I believe it will take all year for it to get done so yea, bring on the frustration because thats what this series is going to produce for alot of us who really like it.

Thanks for the fansub Live-evil!

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: rectri on April 23, 2004, 02:19:40 am
ahh... LIVE-EBIL! YOU GUYS ROCK! FoB2k4... AHHH... all the ebil things i can say.. but... =P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Natsus on April 23, 2004, 02:44:58 am
I'm sure this will get asked sooner or later but I figured I'll be the one to ask and take all beatings  ;D

when will ep 2 be out?  One thing I remember about initial d was how cliffhangery it was... so when can we  expect the next installment?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: epox_999 on April 23, 2004, 03:54:36 am
I have a comment on the subbing for ep. 1

I don't know if this was a translation error or a factual error in the original japanese script.

when the guy with the Miata ('90-'93 Eunos Roadster) is talking about his engine mods, the subtitle says
"this time, I bored out the 1600 v6 to an 1800"

The engine in those cars was an I4 not a v6.

also the displacment could be noted as 1600cc or 1.6L for none car knowing fans.

Don't mean to nitpick, as I said it might be a mistake in the original script.

Thanks, great job guys!

EpOx
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: piopio on April 23, 2004, 01:16:29 pm
I noticed the V6 comment as well since the image on the shot is the engine w/ the quad throttle body setup.

I have a question:
Is the original source from Japanese satellite TV?  I'm wondering because for example directv can get the original streams (w/ directivo)and I think you can transfer them to a computer w/o generational losses
I'm wondering if such a thing exists for the Initial D series (mpeg2 no generational loss streams)  that way you guys can prep some vobs w/ your subtitles in the vob and make dvds!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on April 23, 2004, 04:40:31 pm
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I'm wondering if such a thing exists for the Initial D series (mpeg2 no generational loss streams)  that way you guys can prep some vobs w/ your subtitles in the vob and make dvds!

::)
i hope i misread ...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DeadAlready911 on April 23, 2004, 09:42:15 pm
Why do we need to make dvds?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: piopio on April 23, 2004, 09:56:35 pm
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Why do we need to make dvds?



Don't misunderstand, I'm not being unappreciative or saying you need to.  Just thought it would be a neat idea since it might be less work to produce (ie no reencoding), and people could watch it in their dvd players ^_^
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vash on April 23, 2004, 10:36:16 pm
After the ep was released we realized the mistake about the V6 part.

The saying is shit happens and nobody is perfect.
Ep 2 will be out soon.

Thanks

Vash
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on April 23, 2004, 11:24:25 pm
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Don't misunderstand, I'm not being unappreciative or saying you need to.  Just thought it would be a neat idea since it might be less work to produce (ie no reencoding), and people could watch it in their dvd players ^_^

i  wondering why but i'm sure i don't have the same opinion as you regarding fansub ....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on April 24, 2004, 01:36:49 am
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I have a comment on the subbing for ep. 1

I don't know if this was a translation error or a factual error in the original japanese script.

when the guy with the Miata ('90-'93 Eunos Roadster) is talking about his engine mods, the subtitle says
"this time, I bored out the 1600 v6 to an 1800"

The engine in those cars was an I4 not a v6.

also the displacment could be noted as 1600cc or 1.6L for none car knowing fans.

EpOx

Actually, it's something else entirely. Someone on IRC brought this up, and got the idea to check the engine code. Mazda Miatas from roughly 1990-1993 used, as you pointed out, a 1.6-liter, 4-cylinder engine. The engine code used for this engine is "B6ZE". The B6 designate it as a 1.6-liter engine, and the rest are for more detailed parameters ('Z' for high-performance and 'E' for electronic fuel injection, put simply.)

Anyway, Tohru was saying that he bored out his 1.6-liter B6 to a 1.8, using the engine code. Since B-sounds and V-sounds are indistinguishable in Japanese, this got translated as "V6". We're not mechanics or MX-3 nuts, so this very technical detail slipped by. Oh well... "the more you know," and all that. We'll try to keep on our toes with things like this in the future. :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Red_Suns_FC3S on April 24, 2004, 02:30:25 am
I just wanted to thank you guys for the wonderful job you did releasing a qaulity sub. Everybody makes mistakes. And engine codes are endless. Keep up the good work and I look foward to seeing episode 2.

Thanks,

- Slade ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: felixtan on April 24, 2004, 03:58:04 pm
When will eps. 2 get release???? Please do let me know....I have downloaded the eps. 1.......also have finished watch it as well.... ;D

Thanks....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on April 24, 2004, 10:27:58 pm
Episode 2 was just released about an hour ago. Enjoy. :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Shenanigans on April 25, 2004, 12:16:52 am
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Anyway, Tohru was saying that he bored out his 1.6-liter B6 to a 1.8, using the engine code. Since B-sounds and V-sounds are indistinguishable in Japanese, this got translated as "V6". We're not mechanics or MX-3 nuts, so this very technical detail slipped by.


you all are my heros.  that was the most straigtforward description of a translation error i have ever seen from a fansubing group.

thank you for being up front with everyone and for putting out such a great release.   ;D

--
Shenanigans
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: BOZZY on April 25, 2004, 12:20:44 am
I was wondering if you guys are gonna release the DVD-subbed versions as well or just the ones from TV?

Anyways I just noticed an error in episode 2 when the new character (Daiki) appears at the end of the episode... He is on his cell phone talking to a former member of his racing school (Toudou Juuku) and refers to him as Tomo-san, not father as is the case in the sub... I don't mean to rag or anything... Just thought I'd point it out...

With the errors in the episodes are you guys thinking of releasing fixed versions much like some other groups do?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: BOZZY on April 25, 2004, 12:21:46 am
Oh and if you guys need clarifications on technical stuff I am more than happy to help out...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Red_Suns_FC3S on April 25, 2004, 01:17:13 am
Did anybody have an error when they were watching the end of the intro song of the second episode right at the part when it say project D. It's get pixely for me and than windows medial player crashes. I think mabey the download get messed up or something. Can anybody verify this? I was able to get around it by scrubbing ahead... but...

Thanks
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Shift_ on April 25, 2004, 01:18:17 am
Well I can understand your car lingo, I think Initial D will be a VERY hard anime to fansub if you're not upto date with your cars and their lingo.

There were a few places that didn't make any sence when it came to cars, but I just thought about it and it made sence.

There's one last comment I have, you reveresed the names in the fansubs, to make them like "surname" then "familyname" like it is in european cultures, however asians always put family name first.  It wasn't a big deal, but it did bug me more than the car terms.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: epox_999 on April 25, 2004, 01:49:52 am
Good spot on the engine, it's a 1.6lit b6p (non-turbo ver. of the '89 323gtx engine)

lots of mazda 4cyl engine info here.
http://members.aol.com/solomiata/MX5Engine.html

I've had a 2.2 FE in my old 626
and a 2.0 FZ in my new protege 5

Test drove a RX-8 yesterday, pretty fast...

Also does anyone know what YEAR 4th stage takes place in?  I think I remember that the earlier seasons took place around 1994-1995?  I think it was directly mentioned in an eariler show, that is why in Second Stage EMPEROR's LanEvo were only up to the EVOIV ('96 model).

BUT... in episode 2  of fourth stage, Keisuke's FD3S RX-7 goes against a R34 Skyline GT-R (you can tell by the taillights).  The R34 did not come out till '99.

Did the story skip a few years?

EpOx

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Actually, it's something else entirely. Someone on IRC brought this up, and got the idea to check the engine code. Mazda Miatas from roughly 1990-1993 used, as you pointed out, a 1.6-liter, 4-cylinder engine. The engine code used for this engine is "B6ZE". The B6 designate it as a 1.6-liter engine, and the rest are for more detailed parameters ('Z' for high-performance and 'E' for electronic fuel injection, put simply.)

Anyway, Tohru was saying that he bored out his 1.6-liter B6 to a 1.8, using the engine code. Since B-sounds and V-sounds are indistinguishable in Japanese, this got translated as "V6". We're not mechanics or MX-3 nuts, so this very technical detail slipped by. Oh well... "the more you know," and all that. We'll try to keep on our toes with things like this in the future. :P

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Red_Suns_FC3S on April 25, 2004, 02:28:48 am
Fixed my problem. Make sure everybody you have the latest XVID codec. It will solve a lot of problems.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on April 25, 2004, 03:20:29 am
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I was wondering if you guys are gonna release the DVD-subbed versions as well or just the ones from TV?

This is something we haven't given any thought to yet.

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Anyways I just noticed an error in episode 2 when the new character (Daiki) appears at the end of the episode... He is on his cell phone talking to a former member of his racing school (Toudou Juuku) and refers to him as Tomo-san, not father as is the case in the sub... I don't mean to rag or anything... Just thought I'd point it out...


Hmm... I just checked on that and it looks like you're right. Thanks for letting us know.

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With the errors in the episodes are you guys thinking of releasing fixed versions much like some other groups do?

I don't think so. I sort of think that v2's are more trouble than they're worth. Mistakes happen, but there's no sense in fracturing the episode over some corrections. The fewer versions of an episode there are floating around the internet, the better, in my opinion. If we re-released our episodes using DVD raws in the future, though, that'd be a prime time for any corrections to take place.

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There's one last comment I have, you reveresed the names in the fansubs, to make them like "surname" then "familyname" like it is in european cultures, however asians always put family name first.  It wasn't a big deal, but it did bug me more than the car terms.

That was a conscious decision on our part.

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BUT... in episode 2  of fourth stage, Keisuke's FD3S RX-7 goes against a R34 Skyline GT-R (you can tell by the taillights).  The R34 did not come out till '99.

Actually, Keisuke says in episode 2 that while he at first THOUGHT that it was a GT-R, he was pleasantly surprised to find that it was a GT Turbo (which is an FR car.) No idea when those were made, though, so I can't help you with your timeline question.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: epox_999 on April 25, 2004, 04:42:49 am
Ok Skyline Gt-turbo is still a '99 model, it is like you said, FR, with the same engine, less one turbo.

Also, I think that I have identified Bunta's car from the intro.  It's a WRX STI, but no normal STI to be sure.

It's a 1998.3 WRX 22B STI Coupe 2-door.  Only 400 were ever made, they sold out in 48 hours.

More info from j-garage.com:
http://www.j-garage.com/4110.htm

<img border="0" src="http://www.j-garage.com/subaru/wrx/4-2.gif">

http://www.j-garage.com/subaru/wrx/4-2.gif


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Actually, Keisuke says in episode 2 that while he at first THOUGHT that it was a GT-R, he was pleasantly surprised to find that it was a GT Turbo (which is an FR car.) No idea when those were made, though, so I can't help you with your timeline question.

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: ragnarrok on April 25, 2004, 05:15:04 am
From Initial D Arcade Stage, Bunta's car is a Impreza WRX Type R STI Version V (GC8V)

http://www.hitmaker.co.jp/game/INITIALD/ac_ver03/car05.html
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on April 25, 2004, 07:08:12 am
ragnarrok is correct about Bunta's car in the game. I'd imagine that it's the same car for the series as well... I'm sure someone who's read the manga can confirm this.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on April 25, 2004, 07:19:37 pm
I enjoyed watching ep1.  Just a few comments, I'm sure a lot of the technical specifics will go over the head of a lot of the people who watch these eps.  It's nice if it's correct, but if things are a touch hazy it certainly won't kill my enjoyment.  Everything else seemed rather nice, the main ep font could have been a little larger if I were to nitpick.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: edicol on April 25, 2004, 08:17:35 pm
THANK YOU VERY MUCH

Hello...first of all i have a the about the guy wanting to change that hachi-roku to just sayin hachi roku.  Please don't that would be so gay.  It's 86 in all the fansubs out for initial d 1st 2nd 3rd stages.

AND YOU ARE AWESOME.  Thank you for the timely release of the episodes.  Keep up the good work.  You don't need to change a frilling thing.  It's all good, my expectations was met and surpased.  And if I send you a compliment take it your doing something very right.

Couldn't be better.  

Don't change a thing....keep up the good work.
:D  :D  :D  ;D  ;D  ;D   :D  :D  :D  :D  ;D  ;D  ;D  :D  :D  :D       ;D  ;D  :D  :D  :D  ;D   ;D  ;D  :D  :D  :D  ;D  ;D  ;D  :D  :D  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Chapel on April 27, 2004, 08:10:25 am
excellent work. Easily one of the best animes I've ever watched.
The subtitling work is better than any professional work I've ever seen.
The font was perfect, the timing was spot on. Excellent work!

As for Bunta's Subaru... it is a Impreza WRX Coupe STi Version VI Type R (GC8G2FD) which came out in 1999.
(http://www.supercars.net/servlets/PW/garagePics/ImprezaBuff/25car0.jpg)
thats one long ass name... but its the correct name.

However, I have heard the car in the manga was a 22B...

I need to see a good shot of the front of the car in the manga to be 100% sure though
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Chapel on April 27, 2004, 08:14:20 am
minor differences between the Version 5 and 6:
(http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/product/impreza/image/p-ver5.jpg)
Version 5

(http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/product/impreza/image/p-ver6.jpg)
Version 6
slightly deeper front valence on the Version 6.

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Chapel on April 27, 2004, 09:50:17 am
did some more research
(http://i22.ebayimg.com/03/i/01/72/23/d1_1_b.JPG)

Its a Version 6 with an 22B bumper and wing.
it almost looks like it has a 22B fenderset, but it does NOT have a 22B hood and its grey (not offered in the 22B)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mechazawa on April 28, 2004, 02:58:39 am
First off you guys are my favorite group, and thanks for doing such a nice job on this show, and many others.

I have anouther nitpicky comment about the description of the engine in the roadster, that had me wondering if the translation was absolutely correct.

The MX-5 started out with a b6, 1.6l and later became available with a 1.8l bp engine.  although the engines are nearly identical, the block castings are diferent with diferent bore spacing.  I beleve it is imposible to bore out a b6 to 1.8l displacement.  So my question is did they actualy say "bore out" or something else?  Because the natural way to make a 1.6 miata into a 1.8 miata would be to swap out the b6 for a bp.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my silly question.  I would not be at all suprised if the discrepancy is with the original writers rather than you guys, since this is such an obscure thing.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Chapel on April 28, 2004, 07:17:06 am
B6 and BP are the same basic engine
both the 1.6 and 1.8 DOHC have the same 221.5mm block deck height and 134mm head height.

you can actually take a BP bottom end (block, pistons, crank, etc...) and put it on a B6 head.
This is commonly refered to as a 'bore out' even though you are just doing a short block swap.

I know alot of guys that do that with their Eunos Roadsters. You can get the 1.8L BP block from a variety of cars (90-98 Protege, 91-96 Ford Escort GT, 94+ Miata, 91-96 Mercury Tracer LTS, 94-97 Kia Sephia GS)

Most guy I know get them out of BP equipped Proteges though.

Rather than bore the hell out of alot of people here, just read this (http://members.aol.com/solomiata/MX5Engine.html)

You know the best swap I've seen. My boy Cam took his B3 engined (1.3L) Ford Festiva and transplanted a B6-T engine from a 323 GT into it :)
(http://www.fordfestiva.com/gallery/images/cwfestside2.jpg)
Festiva with rims?

(http://www.fordfestiva.com/gallery/images/cwsideengine.jpg)
Surprise! B6T!

I heard the NEW owner transplanted the full 323 GT-R driveline into that Festiva though... AWD Turbo 1.8!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mechazawa on April 28, 2004, 07:42:03 am
Chapel, I am already familure with that site.  Here are a couple of quotes from the page you link to.

"The 1.6 liter version has as large a bore as the block can accommodate and cannot really have it's displacement increased much more, in fact, enlarging the bore beyond +1mm is not advised."

and

"the 1.8 is really just a stretched 1.6...has a longer bore spacing to accommodate the larger 83mm pistons."

Note that bore spacing refers to the distance between centers, not the size of the bore.

This proves my point, you can't get 1.8l out of a bp block, at least not with out building a stroker.  The heads are not interchangable.

BTW: I love that Festiva!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Chapel on April 28, 2004, 06:24:18 pm
so, when they are doing the 'short block swap' they are using the BP head?
I know guys who have done the 'short block swap' but I always assumed it was just the bottom end. When I did a short block swap to my Rabbit, I just swapped the old 1.8L bottom for the 2.0L bottom out of an Audi.
and the 'short block swap' for my BMW is just the bottom end from a 2.8L
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mechazawa on April 28, 2004, 09:48:30 pm
well, I hate that I am turning this into so much of an engine building discussion, but I guess I need to explain.

You can interchange bottom ends on a lot of engines.  I have a BMW M20 mill myself so I know you can do that one.  In that case, BMW increased the displacement from 2.5 to 2.7 by lengthening the stroke, it was not necesary to change the block casting.  Also, if there is enough thickness to the cylinder walls in the original design you really can bore an engine out for a substantail bump in displacement.

Conversions like this are posible with lots of engines from Honda, BMW, VW, Toyota, Nissan, Volvo, Ford...and even Mazda, its just that it doesn't work with the B6.

With the B6 the stroke was already quite long, and the cylinder walls too thin to simply increase bore.  So Mazda chose to cast a whole diferent block with more space betwen the bores.

Anyone who tells you that they are going to put a b6 cylinder head on a bp is full of it.

Miata owners, at least here in the US, always swap the entire engine--call it what you will.

All this complexity is why I wanted to ask about the translation.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Chapel on April 29, 2004, 12:58:56 am
more an issue with the series writers than the translation probably.
it probably translated into boring it out, even though thats not possible. I could bring F&F into the equation :D

hey, if you've got a BMW, head over to http://www.mwerks.com

Its a BMW site I help run. I'm the BMW Technical Supervisor there.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vash on April 29, 2004, 02:37:11 am
IT has begun.

All the car posting and showing who has the bigger cock.

Shakes his head

Vash
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Chapel on April 29, 2004, 08:58:41 am
I don't think that comment is necessary...  ::)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vash on April 30, 2004, 12:21:17 am
if u cant take a joke then dont be here.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Chapel on April 30, 2004, 01:27:42 am
I can take a joke, but I don't know you yet to know if you are serious or not...  :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mechazawa on April 30, 2004, 01:49:10 am
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I could bring F&F into the equation  
lol

true, at its worst, initial D looks like a carroll smith book next to that crap.

I bookmarked that bimmer site--looks cool.

I am still hopeing someone involved with the translation will confirm that the mistake about roadster engines was made by the original writers.

I just want to be able to bitch about it.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vash on April 30, 2004, 01:52:29 am
its all good.
I meant it as a joke and not to be a$$.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Chapel on April 30, 2004, 03:17:50 am
ok, cool.

oh, and dont forget the Mwerks forum... Im the master of the BMW ;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Chapel on April 30, 2004, 06:28:34 am
(http://home.comcast.net/~chapel976/chapjdm.jpg)
;D ;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: wmwoon on May 02, 2004, 08:54:51 am
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BUT... in episode 2  of fourth stage, Keisuke's FD3S RX-7 goes against a R34 Skyline GT-R (you can tell by the taillights).  The R34 did not come out till '99.


Erm....my guess is that it's not a R34....It's a sister of R34...meaning It's a GT-t (FR) it has the looks of an R34 but does pack the power of it....should be the pre version of R34...if i remembered correctly....
8)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Shouji_Shingo on May 02, 2004, 11:20:25 am
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Erm....my guess is that it's not a R34....It's a sister of R34...meaning It's a GT-t (FR) it has the looks of an R34 but does pack the power of it....should be the pre version of R34...if i remembered correctly....
8)


Whether it is a GT-R or not, its still an R34. Thats the generation of Skyline. Just like the R30, R31, R32, and R33 before it, and the KPGC-10, KPGC-110, and KPGC-210 before those(and still more before those). Each generation changes when each new significant body change comes in. The R32's in 1989 were the re-debut of the GT-R, something that hadnt been seen since 1973 in the KPGC-110. The first GT-R debuted in 1969 in the KPGC-10 generation.

The engine in the GT-T is a NEO6 RB25DET Inline 6. RB being the engine series, 25 = 2.5L, D denotes Dual Over Head Cam, E denotes Electronic Fuel Injection, and the T denotes Turbo. In R33 models it was the GTS25-t. The GT-R engine is the RB26DETT. 2.6L and Twin Turbo.

In any event, the release was a superb job. Better than the raws, and much much better than those other clowns that put out that BS sub(Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?). I swear, if Id have seen "riced it up" substituted for racing one more time before you guys came along...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Chapel on May 03, 2004, 02:29:27 am
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Erm....my guess is that it's not a R34....It's a sister of R34...meaning It's a GT-t (FR) it has the looks of an R34 but does pack the power of it....should be the pre version of R34...if i remembered correctly....
8)


yeah, GT-R is normally preceded by 'BN' to designate a GT-R. Ala BNR32, BNR33 and BNR34
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: greenkabbage on May 05, 2004, 08:30:04 am
vash has too much time on his hands. we should get more work for him so that he doesn't have time for these random forum posts anymore  :P

and wow, initial D got a LOT of new forum members here.
welcome all of you :)

/me is impressed by your tech savvyness   :o

keep it up

-greenkabbage
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: RX8 on May 10, 2004, 02:25:55 am
hey.. anybody knows when Initial D 4th Stage gonna be release in cantonese?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on May 14, 2004, 10:02:40 pm
initial D simply rocks =p

its cool man MAZDA RX7 WOOO haha

but i am waiting for the news of dear boys act II too
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Shouji_Shingo on June 07, 2004, 01:55:16 am
Does anyone know, since its June...when the thrid and fourth episodes are coming out?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Tofusensei on June 07, 2004, 04:02:09 am
Well eps 3-4 air on 6/19 so expect them within a week after that ^^

-Tofu
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on June 08, 2004, 12:19:20 am
A week!  But I want it now!!  Talk about slacking off.  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on June 11, 2004, 07:52:00 pm
so long -_-
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: SiL-080 on June 11, 2004, 11:53:04 pm
Sorry if this has already been posted but i couldnt find it in the 5 pages of text already. If anyone knows the opening song id please reply. I couldnt find it by randomly getting songs.  :-/
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Shouji_Shingo on June 16, 2004, 06:45:22 am
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A week!  But I want it now!!  Talk about slacking off.  


Quality takes time. I can wait.

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Sorry if this has already been posted but i couldnt find it in the 5 pages of text already. If anyone knows the opening song id please reply. I couldnt find it by randomly getting songs.  :-/


IIRC, its Dogfight by Move. But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on June 16, 2004, 10:23:28 am
okie
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Rhythm-Master on June 19, 2004, 02:51:05 pm
I'd just like to say THANKS to L-E for subbing my favorite anime.  It's very much appreciated :).

[shadow=red,left,300]keep up the great work :)[/shadow]

looking forward to the rest of stage 4 w/ bated breath.

A L-E fan
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on June 20, 2004, 10:03:00 am
its the fourth stage already i missed 3rd and 2nd stage i finished watching 1st stage already its quite nice ..
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Iron on June 21, 2004, 03:33:04 am
Wow I'm so lucky.. again. First of all I happened to find about stage 4 at the end of april when it was just being released. Now that I suddenly thought hmm next ID stage 4 parts are propably already released I find that they're just coming.

I really liked the first two parts it's really awesome work. Heh yeah the car discussion also comes with this series. Great stuff anyways. Usually been really exact too. Gee anxious to see Bunta in action though :)

Keep up the good work. I guess you might already be working on them.  That's cool!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: judd_sandage on June 21, 2004, 11:30:03 am
I love the subs keep them coming, you guys do good work

I got 2 questions tho... about how long does it take for you Live-eviL guys to do a sub (as in when are ya going to release the next subbed 4th stage episode) and Rhythm-Master where did ya get the vid cap from the DI thing?

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on June 22, 2004, 12:35:06 am
i belive L-E ish gonna release it quite soon cause it stated june mid june its already mid june already just wait awhile dude and it will be out ^^
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: judd_sandage on June 22, 2004, 12:28:23 pm
I know... I just got the l33t-raws... but I cant under stand but a few words, and I am bearly able to wait... but I must wait
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on June 22, 2004, 11:55:49 pm
thats cool ^^ but than you have to wait though keke ^^
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Paddy on June 23, 2004, 06:16:29 am
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I know... I just got the l33t-raws... but I cant under stand but a few words, and I am bearly able to wait... but I must wait


Where did you get the raw file from??? I'm so desperate I wont mind watching it in japanese :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Shenanigans on June 23, 2004, 06:25:32 am
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Where did you get the raw file from??? I'm so desperate I wont mind watching it in japanese :D

l33t-raws (http://www.l33t-raws.com/) used to have it, but their site appears to be down.  I still have the torrent files for it, but the tracker is not there anymore either.

gomen...   :-/

--
Shenanigans
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on June 23, 2004, 08:28:17 am
wow i am despo for it too hehe
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Shenanigans on June 24, 2004, 08:34:50 am
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Where did you get the raw file from??? I'm so desperate I wont mind watching it in japanese :D

hey hey!  check out initial d world (http://www.geocities.com/go2initiald/)!  there *might* just be some new trackers for the raw episodes listed there...

...but you did not hear that from me!   ;)

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shenanigans
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on June 25, 2004, 12:39:14 am
Why do that when you'll have the fansubs sometime rather soon?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Shenanigans on June 25, 2004, 05:21:28 am
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Why do that when you'll have the fansubs sometime rather soon?

just passing the information along . . . for those who are in "need".  ;)

--
Shenanigans
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on June 25, 2004, 09:24:24 am
when will initial-d episode 3 and 4 be out any ideas ?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on June 26, 2004, 11:14:15 am
Well, sure, we have an idea. :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: F1Racer on June 26, 2004, 08:08:52 pm
That’s just cruel!  Give us some idea so that we aren’t burning bandwidth checking this site everyday; it’s really frustrating.  Either I need to speak Japanese or I need fansubs; the latter is easier by far!  Feed my addiction…

Love your work, by the way.  Great stuff!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: jtam101 on June 26, 2004, 08:58:42 pm
i was just wondering, will L-E be subbing both episodes 3 and 4? or is this just for episode 3?

???

anyways, i know many people have asked, but is there an approximate time you can give us as to how long this will take?

thanks a bunch!
<<Superman>>
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on June 26, 2004, 11:38:26 pm
I don't know if 4 will come out.   I heard they weren't gonna do anymore.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on June 26, 2004, 11:39:41 pm
impossible initial d just simply rocks like dear boys i don't think they will stop it bahx =]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: senna on June 27, 2004, 01:20:36 am
Well, it's out now! This is going to be good  :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: jtam101 on June 27, 2004, 04:23:08 am
finally!!!! u dont know how happy i am that this has come out. im crying right now cuz im so happy.

anyways, if L-E stops subbing initial d, im gonna be really sad....so please, staff of L-E, dont stop subbing this excellent anime!!!!  :'(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: F1Racer on June 27, 2004, 04:37:31 am
I think I'll cry if L-E stops fansubing Initial D.  

If they do desist, will Ideology continue?  

Makes me feel lost and abandoned.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mrgeoff on June 27, 2004, 08:29:37 am
The only fourth stage episodes I get are from you ppl.... keep up the excellent work. BTW... when is episode 4 coming out? I loved the suspence at the very end  ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: judd_sandage on June 27, 2004, 02:01:00 pm
I dont mean to pic a nit but I did notice a little color bleeding in the video in spots... but other then that it was good.... keep up the good work guys. oh and when is the 4th one coming?....... inquiring minds want to know 8)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Qlash on June 27, 2004, 05:28:22 pm
Wow... I love Initial D and the Fourth Stage is so awesome. I just finished watching Ep 3, and the end leaves you hanging hehe :) Gosh I can't wait until Ep 4! I love L-E subs, Condor Hero / Dear Boys are both in my favorite list ^-^ Can't wait until ep 4! Keep up the good work, and thank you for subbing this great serie!

/qlash
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: F1Racer on June 28, 2004, 01:23:32 am
Great work with episode three, guys and gals.  I can't communicate how thankful I am for your hard work.

Watched the fourth episode today (in japanese, which i speak very little of) and if you thought that the suspense was great at the end of three, watch four then remember that it will be another two months before five and six come out.

Is it just me or are the producers of this wonderful series evil, or are they drawing out the releases for advertising reasons?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Celicafreak on June 29, 2004, 02:56:24 am
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I don't know if 4 will come out.   I heard they weren't gonna do anymore.


I hope this isn't true. I just found this place and it has the best ID fansubs i've seen.  :-[

Any confirmation as to whether or not this statement is in fact true?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Klogon on June 29, 2004, 05:53:53 am
I hope that isn't true. Please continue subbing Project D...!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Evoluti0n on June 29, 2004, 06:25:57 am
You guys are awesome, I love Initial d. I want to be like you guys when i grow up. Thanks for all the hard work.

When is the next ep coming out??? Im addicated!!!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Celicafreak on July 02, 2004, 06:07:46 am
Ep 4 is out now...too bad i have to wait almost two months to see ep 5 and 6...

http://a.scarywater.net/live-evil/
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on July 02, 2004, 11:55:26 am
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I hope this isn't true. I just found this place and it has the best ID fansubs i've seen.  :-[

Any confirmation as to whether or not this statement is in fact true?

He was just taking advantage of the fact that you guys are gullible suckers. :P

The project lives on.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: sol on July 02, 2004, 06:13:45 pm
ofcourse it lives on, ID is fucking rad :]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on July 03, 2004, 07:37:23 am
yay !! Fujiwara won again wee haaa ^^ Initial-D Rawks !
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mecajoe on July 04, 2004, 12:42:48 am
I'm new and had to say what a great job L-E is doing with Initial D.  I  have enjoyed all the eps. very much. I wouldn't change a thing and want to say thank you for offering your skills so that I can enjoy my favorite anime.

Spoiler:

Also, I really look forward to eps.6-7 in August. I am just  prognosticating but I think they are going to show the race with the ITR, real fast, in the beginning, then move on to the race with the other Todou guy. What I am really looking forward to is seeing Bunta in his WRX STi type R kicking butt on Takumi with some real skill. I love to see that car in action.
Thank you again L-E for the great job. :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on July 09, 2004, 09:33:03 am
keke kwel job that L-Evil done wee
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Zash on July 13, 2004, 10:00:25 am
I read where someone was asking about a timeline on the first or second page of this thread.  4th Stage takes place right after 3rd Stage.  I know this because at the end of 3rd Stage, Itsuki starts working full time at the Gas Station.  In episode one of 4th Stage he is just getting his first paycheck since he started working full time.  Man the art in 4th Stage is so much better.  My only problem with the new are style is that Takumi looks significantly older...  He also looks a lot like Ry lol.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on July 27, 2004, 07:58:16 am
when will initial-d come out i have been waiting till my ass can't be bothered ne more =x
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on July 28, 2004, 12:50:56 am
Is it that time again already...

/me dies

[smiley=violon.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Klogon on August 09, 2004, 03:30:08 pm
Anybody know the exact August date the episodes air in Japan?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on August 09, 2004, 09:37:56 pm
http://avexmode.jp/animation/initial/initial.html
;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on August 11, 2004, 04:27:48 am
whens episode 5 and 6 coming out !?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on August 11, 2004, 07:26:26 pm
when it's ready ?  [smiley=chacal_one333.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GilliamII on August 11, 2004, 07:50:32 pm
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whens episode 5 and 6 coming out !?


If one goes to the link that was provided you can see that the schedule looks something like this:

Episodes 1 & 2 - April 17, 2004
Episodes 3 & 4 - June 19, 2004
Episodes 5 & 6 - August 21, 2004
Episodes 7 & 8 - October 16, 2004
Episodes 9 & 10 - December 18, 2004
Episodes 11 & 12 - February 19, 2005
Episodes 12 & 14 - April 16, 2005

Bear in mind I can't read a lick of Japanese, but you don't need to be able to read it to use common sense.  Much as this schedule is going to annoy me and plenty of others, that's how it has to be.  Don't expect any new episodes before these dates.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: MrFrustration on August 15, 2004, 02:50:36 pm
Way back when, there was a query about the translation of Dogfight.
Now I don't speak Japanese. Period. But I am very good at finding things. Like an ENGLISH version of Dogfight.

(Garbled) Bring the Noise
(Garbled to death.)
Are you psyched(?)
He's so fast oh my god like a meteorite.
It could be only one shot that is it alright.
(Garbled)
Don't wanna make a big wreck so I'm gonna roll and roll
Cause it's a dogfight!
(Whatsherface is replaced.. here's the chorus.)
Way way way too garbled for quite some time.
Realize that you are the victor, ???
(Garbled.)
(End Chorus)
This is your ecstasy.
Yeah, ha ha, this sound is everywhere.
Left to (Garbled) - like a heavyweight.
(Garble/Distortion) Like a show - more distortion/garble.
Yo!
Hey learn to run, baby this will make you fly.
Get down a love just a move into (Garbled)
Get down a (Garbled). So the (Garbled - Heavy Distortion)
Selling me fear the vibe and corrodity??
What's up (Too Garbled/Fast)
And you think no matter what it's possibility.
It's only once by a way, so I wanna run and run, cause it's a dogfight!
(Garbled)
Listen to the (Garbled) on fire, (Garbled)
Dogfight!
(Garbled) Realize that you are the victor, count down(?)
(Corruption / Distortion) This is your ecstasy.
You memorize (garbled) That's my dream that's my goal.
(Garbled/Distortion)
Remember this time, is never ending, woah. As long as you can take (DISTORTION).
(Totally garbled to me, heavy distortion.)
Everybody here say yeah, yeah yeah, say yeah.
Somebody will find ya everybody respond c'mon c'mon scream.
(Chorus)

Better than nothing.. :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on August 23, 2004, 05:49:35 am
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If one goes to the link that was provided you can see that the schedule looks something like this:

Episodes 1 & 2 - April 17, 2004
Episodes 3 & 4 - June 19, 2004
Episodes 5 & 6 - August 21, 2004
Episodes 7 & 8 - October 16, 2004
Episodes 9 & 10 - December 18, 2004
Episodes 11 & 12 - February 19, 2005
Episodes 12 & 14 - April 16, 2005

Bear in mind I can't read a lick of Japanese, but you don't need to be able to read it to use common sense.  Much as this schedule is going to annoy me and plenty of others, that's how it has to be.  Don't expect any new episodes before these dates.


well its already past 2 days already can't wait for it to come out man !!!!!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GilliamII on August 23, 2004, 12:00:42 pm
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well its already past 2 days already can't wait for it to come out man !!!!!


True, but bear in mind that as someone said earlier in the thread, quality takes time.  Fansubbing is not a very fast process, or so I should think.  Besides getting a high quality video/audio track the script needs to be translated and checked, the subtitles need to be timed properly and once everything is what it should be when it should be the video can be rendered and compressed and such.  Plus, as this thread has shown, I'm sure the translators are checking the script thoroughly now to keep from repeating any of the previous errors they have made.

Patience is a virtue.  As you say its only been two days. I'm sure the L-E crew will have some eye candy very soon for us to drool over.  ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on August 23, 2004, 05:46:01 pm
ohh okie dokie sowwie heh ^^ cause i just missed another great anime like dear boys act II well keke i will wait on for the great initial-D hee
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 23, 2004, 11:54:20 pm
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 Plus, as this thread has shown, I'm sure the translators are checking the script thoroughly now to keep from repeating any of the previous errors they have made.



I am a very meticulous person when it comes to spelling, yet I haven't seen any typos or mistakes in these translations.

Some might argue about the V6/B6 error, but I sympatize with Live-Evil since I agree that some Japanese have awful english pronunciation :)

That woman that sings in the intro drives me nuts! It's been years since Initial D season 1 aired and she still hasn't figured out how to pronounce fi-re. Since episode 3 showed me the lyrics of the theme song, I realized that she is even worst than I imagined. I'd prefer it if she sticks to singing in Japanese, which I think she does very well. But still, the initial D soundtrack isn't nearly as engrish as that awful hack sign intro...

Anyway, I agree with others who have said that Live-Evil does a very professional job with these translations. Plus their group name is nice. I didn't realize that it was a palindrome until I came to this place!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on August 24, 2004, 11:07:52 pm
The ID4 eps were nice to qc as well since there were very few in any clear errors.  Differences in opinion yes, but nothing you could point at and say was just plain wrong.  I'm looking forward to getting my hands on the new eps!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: crazysmoke on August 26, 2004, 01:49:16 am
well "Fire" is a hard word for non english speakers. ever think about it its strange kinda , its not "Fi-re" cuz that makes "Fi" then "re" which is more like the "re" in "remember". Its more along the lines of "F-ire" with the ir making a kinda "y" sound. Also japanese don't have a "R" sound they replace it with "L" go figure.

So when is the next subs coming out? From what i noticed it comes out usually 5 days after the Japanese release.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mr_Nice_Guy on August 26, 2004, 03:43:37 am
 ;)I wonder when episode 5 & 6 are gonna come out ??? ???
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 26, 2004, 07:16:14 am
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well "Fire" is a hard word for non english speakers.


English is my 3rd language and I don't find the pronounciation of the word fire hard at all. I assume any human (aside from people like Forrest Gump) can hear any word in any language and mimick it after a few tries. If I were to travel to Russia, China or India, I'm sure I can come up with good interpretations of their local greetings expressions very quickly.

That ignorant woman probably practiced her song many times before recording it, so she had plenty of opportunity to brush up on her pronounciation. And fire is not the only word that she screws up, her renditions of "gambler", "backfire" and "ecstacy", among others, are very shitty too. Prior to seeing the lyrics, I thought those sounds weren't supposed to be english.

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ever think about it its strange kinda , its not "Fi-re" cuz that makes "Fi" then "re" which is more like the "re" in "remember". Its more along the lines of "F-ire" with the ir making a kinda "y" sound.


In many ways it is fi-re. Take tire, mire, dire, wire, etc... The 2nd part of all those words are pronounced in the same manner. Nothing irrational there.

But I have to concede that there are people like Georges W. Bush who probably say fiya. So if that woman was genuinely trying to mimick a rancher, then I retract this one part of my criticism. However, in Canada, UK, Northern US, they do not say fiya.

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Also japanese don't have a "R" sound they replace it with "L" go figure.


You've got it in reverse. Ever heard a Japanese talk about elections? :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: crazysmoke on August 26, 2004, 09:00:04 am
i guess she messes up on all the english words. if she got fire wrong, she gonna get backfire wrong too.  i don't think she's tryin to copy Bush tho... well i hope not. well i guess she can say 'blast" pretty well in the outro. but i've heard an english version of the intro. now thats really bad i thought it was still in japanese. ;D

Wait now that i think about it if you were in Japan and there was a fire and a japanese person wanted to tell you there was one in english and they didn't know english that well. they probably yell "Fi-ya fi-ya".

Since I had it backwards someone go figure how the "L"s are "R"s. :) well its more like they use 1 sound for both cuz i noticed it alot when my japanese teacher talks.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GilliamII on August 28, 2004, 12:41:42 pm
I would be curious to find out how many of the native English speakers that find fault with this woman's English singing pronounce their English perfectly.  I would surmise very few.  I know for a fact that in my nearly 24 years of speaking the language I do NOT have perfect pronounciation and even at times spelling and punctuation.  Accents, lisps, drawls and other such speech variances change from person to person and region to region.  And that's just native speakers.  This woman's primary language is Japanese, a language sharing extremely little with the English language.  I'm sure those whose primary language is not english can attest that part of your native tongue stays with you in every language you speak.  My father, as an example, moved to the States from overseas in the 1970s able to speak some but hardly perfect english.  After more than 30 years of speaking it every day he still retains some small part of his native tongue pronounciation of letters and words.  For her to retain some of her Japanese speaking habits even while speaking in English would be only natural.

What I also find amusing is that some of the same people criticizing a Japanese woman's english do not have a firm grasp of the language in the first place.  In just the few posts between this and my last there are several instances of people using incorrect words and/or spelling.  Spelling is forgivable as typos do indeed happen, but to use a completely wrong word while mocking pronounciations and speaking to "QC" is, for lack of a better word, rather laughable.  To me, if one is going to quality check something one should have some mastery of said thing.  At least that is what makes sense to me.

What I am getting at here is take in some understanding of the situation and don't ardently criticize something so minor given the facts of that sitution.  Even those mistakes that I ahve pointed out are really no big deal at all.  As long as you can be understood or your intended meaning interpreted from what you have said then you have succeeded in your communication.

Try to ease up and just enjoy things for what they are.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on August 28, 2004, 03:44:44 pm
i am still waiting for initial-d to come out man so long haix
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 28, 2004, 09:16:05 pm
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I would be curious to find out how many of the native English speakers that find fault with this woman's English singing pronounce their English perfectly.  I would surmise very few.  I know for a fact that in my nearly 24 years of speaking the language I do NOT have perfect pronounciation and even at times spelling and punctuation.  Accents, lisps, drawls and other such speech variances change from person to person and region to region.  And that's just native speakers.  This woman's primary language is Japanese, a language sharing extremely little with the English language.  I'm sure those whose primary language is not english can attest that part of your native tongue stays with you in every language you speak.  My father, as an example, moved to the States from overseas in the 1970s able to speak some but hardly perfect english.  After more than 30 years of speaking it every day he still retains some small part of his native tongue pronounciation of letters and words.  For her to retain some of her Japanese speaking habits even while speaking in English would be only natural.


She is a professional singer, is it too much to ask that she memorizes the sound of a few words? Is it that hard? You don't even need to attend a class, just your brain and a few minutes of practice should suffice.

Nevermind the fact that sometimes the lyrics themselves (with the addition of random english words) make little sense. Are we supposed to admire and praise that?

It seems some Japanese have this inferiority complex towards the Americans. So much so that they feel the need to insert mispronounced english words into their otherwise fine Japanese lyrics to sound 'cool'. What's wrong with authentic Japanese culture? I find it very interesting. And personally, I find that songs that are sung in Japanese are more beautiful than songs sung in French.

I live in a predominantly French area, and while I do not listen everyday to French music, I have never heard my compatriots put in a cheap mix of mispronounced English to sound more hip. They are too proud of their own language.

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What I also find amusing is that some of the same people criticizing a Japanese woman's english do not have a firm grasp of the language in the first place.  In just the few posts between this and my last there are several instances of people using incorrect words and/or spelling.  Spelling is forgivable as typos do indeed happen, but to use a completely wrong word while mocking pronounciations and speaking to "QC" is, for lack of a better word, rather laughable.  To me, if one is going to quality check something one should have some mastery of said thing.  At least that is what makes sense to me.


Feel free to point out my spelling mistakes. Unlike others, I am not averse to learning.

Edit: I have finally understood how to spell mimic :)
I thought I saw it spelled with a K in Hordes of the Underdark, but turns out it wasn't.

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What I am getting at here is take in some understanding of the situation and don't ardently criticize something so minor given the facts of that sitution.  Even those mistakes that I ahve pointed out are really no big deal at all.  As long as you can be understood or your intended meaning interpreted from what you have said then you have succeeded in your communication.


But in some cases I can't understand :)
YOU try to understand Obsession from See-Saw :)

Here is a recap of a real-life situation :

me: Let's have Xavier listen to Obsession and see how many words he can make out.

B: OK.

[music starts playing]

Xavier: Rewind. Rewind. Rewind Again. Wait, did she just say snore?

B: Nope.

Xavier: ...

[Music keeps playing]

Xavier: Oh she's just humming now.

B: No, those are supposed to be words too.


Some things are indeed minor and understandable, like your 2 typos in the previous quote. Despite them, I still know that you can spell situation and have correctly. But personally, I find the horrible mispronounciation in a professional work to be ridiculous, as well as the addition of foreign words for the purpose to sound cool.

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Try to ease up and just enjoy things for what they are.


An example of people that accept to wallow in mediocrity. (Just to make myself clear, I was talking about the engrish singers, not you.)

By the way, there is a whole website dedicated to laughing at English mispronounciation:

engrish.com

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 28, 2004, 10:03:55 pm
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i am still waiting for initial-d to come out man so long haix


Maybe if you volunteered to be a distributor (in the case that Live-Evil is still looking for some), you might have the chance to view the eps earlier.

If you really need something to kill time, there is a website containing translations of Chinese martial arts literature, if you are into anime like Condor Heroes. I would recommend Sentimental Swordsman Ruthless Sword (Xiao Li Fei Dao), which in my opinion is much more interesting that Condor Heroes.

http://www.spcnet.tv/gulong/glreadingroom.shtml

Most translations do not have the same level of quality as Live-Evil's. It is understandable since they work alone. But the texts are still very well translated, especially considering that they are doing so on their free time.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on August 29, 2004, 02:26:13 am
I love how you people (and by that I mean mostly jizz-mopper there) are expecting a JAPANESE singer, singing a (mostly) JAPANESE song, for a JAPANESE show, to have perfect English pronunciation without any kind of accent. Why the hell SHOULD she do it "perfectly"? The English lyrics are just there to sound cool, not for your personal benefit. That's EXACTLY how you pronounce the English words "fire", "ecstasy", and whatnot with a Japanese accent.

Showing how you're all missing the point, if she pronounced everything with "perfect" pronunciation, there's a good chance that those English lyrics would be HARDER to understand for the Japanese viewers. It's a Japanese show, and Japanese viewers are all they care about. If you're going to bitch and moan just because she doesn't sound like Bobby Bumfuck from Oregon then please keep the whining to your livejournals. Sheesh.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 29, 2004, 03:44:39 am
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I love how you people (and by that I mean mostly jizz-mopper there) are expecting a JAPANESE singer, singing a (mostly) JAPANESE song, for a JAPANESE show, to have perfect English pronunciation without any kind of accent.


If you're fluent in Japanese and work for a Japanese show, then sing in Japanese.

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Why the hell SHOULD she do it "perfectly"?


I would expect no less from a professional. If the people that work at Live-Evil can do a nearly flawless translation while working only during their free time, shouldn't a singer achieve a comparable level of excellence, especially while working full-time?

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The English lyrics are just there to sound cool, not for your personal benefit.


Some people might find it cool, but I find mispronounced words that do not make sense by being there absurd.

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Yeah, let's be copy the Americans, and do it
That's EXACTLY how you pronounce the English words "fire", "ecstasy", and whatnot with a Japanese accent.


Words spoken so poorly can't really be considered english anymore  :)

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Showing how you're all missing the point, if she pronounced everything with "perfect" pronunciation, there's a good chance that those English lyrics would be HARDER to understand for the Japanese viewers.


You are absolutely correct. The reason for that is because the fans have been learning bad engrish from their idols for years. And I'm not just talking about the pronunciation, the logic and structure of their songs are also bad.

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If you're going to bitch and moan just because she doesn't sound like Bobby Bumfuck from Oregon then please keep the whining to your livejournals.Sheesh.


If you feel that her superb music is worth defending, go ahead. I was just giving legitimate arguments why there are people, not just me, who find engrish music to be silly. Currently, such people are numerous enough to fill a very large forum, but I'm sure their numbers would soar if Japanese artists decided to bring their engrish goodness to MTV and the mainstream radio :)
Title: *snippets borrowed from Eclipse since I'm lazy :P*
Post by: Yoten on August 29, 2004, 05:07:22 am
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If you're fluent in Japanese and work for a Japanese show, then sing in Japanese.

That would be the point, yes. Yet, who's to say that Japanese music can only use the Japanese language? You seem to be awfully stuck up on homogeneity, and that's completely wrong when it comes to Japanese culture. Despite some of its aspects that seem to point to such, incorporating aspects of foreign culture, including its language, has been central to the development of Japanese culture since the Meiji Revolution. A lot of the newer inventions, like say "chocolate", don't have a native word for it. The Japanese just use the English word "chocolate" for it. And since English is taught in every Japanese middle and high schools, it's expected that any Japanese adult will know English words and phrases here and there and that's why English words in Japanese songs are more prevalent.

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I would expect no less from a professional. If the people that work at Live-Evil can do a nearly flawless translation while working only during their free time, shouldn't a singer achieve a comparable level of excellence, especially while working full-time?

I think she's doing an excellent job, myself. What you're failing to grasp is that speaking with an accent does NOT make it "wrong". Pronounciations aren't something you learn from a book... it's a carry-over from whatever language you first learn to speak. For someone who speaks multiple languages, you're pretty negative on something that's a natural product of multilingualism.

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Some people might find it cool, but I find mispronounced words that do not make sense by being there absurd.

Ah, here's the problem: You seem to think that you matter. Trust me, you don't. We all have our own tastes, sure, but taking yours on a crusade and using it to lambaste someone, especially in light of things like reason and reality, is pretty dumb.

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You are absolutely correct. The reason for that is because the fans have been learning bad engrish from their idols for years. And I'm not just talking about the pronunciation, the logic and structure of their songs are also bad.

Oh sure, the structure/logic of English in mainstream Japanese culture is often pretty bad (like the stuff on engrish.com), but reaching 100% perfect pronunciation and intonation between languages as different as English and Japanese is extremely difficult. I know I sure as hell speak Japanese with a heavy accent, and like I've said before -- an accent doesn't make it WRONG. Once again, that "bad pronunciation" that you keep harping on is nothing more than English with a Japanese accent born from their language system.

Oh, and the use of English words in Japanese music isn't always as random as you think. In many cases, even in Dogfight itself, it meshes and flows very well with the Japanese to form something that makes perfect sense.

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If you feel that her superb music is worth defending, go ahead. I was just giving legitimate arguments why there are people, not just me, who find engrish music to be silly. Currently, such people are numerous enough to fill a very large forum, but I'm sure their numbers would soar if Japanese artists decided to bring their engrish goodness to MTV and the mainstream radio :)

Your arguments seem pretty biased, actually, in that you expect everyone that speaks another language to speak perfectly and without even the slightest accent. It's just not realistic, regardless of whether someone's a "professional" or not. Oh, and whoop-de-doo about the "very large forum"... you can find forums equally as large about child pornography.  ::)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 29, 2004, 06:41:26 am
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That would be the point, yes. Yet, who's to say that Japanese music can only use the Japanese language? You seem to be awfully stuck up on homogeneity, and that's completely wrong when it comes to Japanese culture.


I have always heard that Japan is one of the most homogenous societies in the world, as opposed to America which is often referred to as a melting pot.

I wouldn't mind that much if the added english words didn't sound so horribly different from their original sources. the Japanese are free to use any mix of language they want in their songs, but I think a song is more interesting when ALL the words are sung correctly. The opposite just sounds stupid.

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Despite some of its aspects that seem to point to such, incorporating aspects of foreign culture, including its language, has been central to the development of Japanese culture since the Meiji Revolution. A lot of the newer inventions, like say "chocolate", don't have a native word for it. The Japanese just use the English word "chocolate" for it. And since English is taught in every Japanese middle and high schools, it's expected that any Japanese adult will know English words and phrases here and there and that's why English words in Japanese songs are more prevalent.


If you're going to call it english, then say the word the same way you heard it from the people who taught it to you. Otherwise it becomes a japanized word and can no longer be considered as english. For example, the english word city comes from the french word cité. City is less different from cité than astasi is different from ecstacy, or snore from know. However, city is not a french word.

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I think she's doing an excellent job, myself. What you're failing to grasp is that speaking with an accent does NOT make it "wrong". Pronounciations aren't something you learn from a book... it's a carry-over from whatever language you first learn to speak. For someone who speaks multiple languages, you're pretty negative on something that's a natural product of multilingualism.


When the accent distorts a word to the point that the literal representation of the accentuated word is different from the literal representation of the original word, it becomes wrong.

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Ah, here's the problem: You seem to think that you matter. Trust me, you don't. We all have our own tastes, sure, but taking yours on a crusade and using it to lambaste someone, especially in light of things like reason and reality, is pretty dumb.


Lambaste, nice word, 1st time I've heard it and I'll certainly remember it :)

And yeah, I don't matter to people that I have no interest in buying music CDs from.

As for me, it's the fact that people appreciate the poorly sung and absurd engrish music that I find silly. And the reality is that some of these singers cannot speak correct english, yet insist on adding it to their songs.

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Oh sure, the structure/logic of English in mainstream Japanese culture is often pretty bad (like the stuff on engrish.com), but reaching 100% perfect pronunciation and intonation between languages as different as English and Japanese is extremely difficult.


Not as difficult as you think. My old supervisor was Russian, yet the way he says hello in Cantonese is very similar to the way my friend says it. Same goes for an Algerian colleague I had.

One time I was saying rice in Filipino to my friend (rice is bigas in Filipino). I was pronouncing it big-ass  the 1st time. He corrected me, telling me not to put too much emphasis on the g, after a few tries I got it right.

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Oh, and the use of English words in Japanese music isn't always as random as you think. In many cases, even in Dogfight itself, it meshes and flows very well with the Japanese to form something that makes perfect sense.


"You're big time gambler"

"Rocket dance (DOGFIGHT)"

In Move's defense, the male singer is a good english singer. Beat of the Rising Sun was nice, plus all the lyrics seem to make sense.

However, I saw the clip of another song called "supersonic dance", which didn't seem to make a lot of sense.

And of course, this:

http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/hacksign/obsession.htm

and especially this:

"I want to throw my brain of a half,
I want to throw my brain of a half,
wanna throw it away."

Brain song by the pees
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 29, 2004, 06:41:49 am
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Your arguments seem pretty biased, actually, in that you expect everyone that speaks another language to speak perfectly and without even the slightest accent. It's just not realistic, regardless of whether someone's a "professional" or not. Oh, and whoop-de-doo about the "very large forum"... you can find forums equally as large about child pornography.  ::)


It's possible, Utada Hikaru is one of them, and there are others as well. I don't know the following singers but others say they have good pronounciation: Ken Hirai, tatsuro yamashita. It's not that difficult, and certainly not unrealistic, given my own experiences.

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It's just not realistic, regardless of whether someone's a "professional" or not. Oh, and whoop-de-doo about the "very large forum"... you can find forums equally as large about child pornography.  ::)


Whether or not people are into child porn has nothing to do with the fact that there is a lot of people out there laughing at the Japanese's horrible pronounciation of english. And, like I said earlier, there would certainly be more laughs if the engrish artists had more exposure in the west.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Evolution on August 29, 2004, 08:00:26 am
I can accept that you are annoyed about the pronunciation of certain words but I think you are being a little harsh.
After a certain age it gets harder and harder to pick up new languages. It also becomes harder to learn new pronunciations and get rid of ingrained accents. Engrish exists because they just plain do not have the 'l' sound and the closest equivalent sound to make is 'r'??. English is apparently one of the harder languages to learn because of all the rules for different pronunciation and spelling that exist, (although America removed some of the spelling rules :( eg colour vs color)
I really don't think that her singing is that bad. The only Engrish song that annoys me is the Sonic anime song "look alike"
http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/sonicthehedgehog/lookalike.htm
This is an example of using English because it may sound good but makes no sense what so ever in some parts.

Learning another language is made harder or easier depending on how often you are exposed to that language and correct pronunciation. What really matters is that sense can be made out of lyrics and that it sounds good. If it is so Engrish it does not make sense then that is another issue. Yeah the Hack Sign theme song is really Engrish but at least is sounds good :D
She probably does not have much impetus to fix up her pronunciation, it would require a rather large effort. It really depends what sort of pronunciation problem it is, eg Xiao and Shiao is different from English and Engrish.
English is my first language and the only other languages I have learnt are European languages, Italian and German, which are quite compatible, but even then my Australian accent affected what I said, not as much for Italian because I was younger.
You can pretty much tell how old somebody was when they learned a language by their pronunciation but their are other factors. Basically I would say that after 12 years of age it becomes increasingly difficult to learn a new language perfectly.
Within a country  also the pronunciation can be very different depending on the region where you live, in Australia you can tell sometimes the exact suburb someone lives in, eg there was a lady on television who said, "he hurted my boy". That is just one example I can think of right now.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 29, 2004, 09:46:36 am
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After a certain age it gets harder and harder to pick up new languages.


Completely agree with that. When I was in primary school I've heard people say that they did a research and that kids that took multilingual courses at a very early age can master 7 or 8 different tongues. Kids that start 1 year later can learn 1 less, etc.

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English is apparently one of the harder languages to learn because of all the rules for different pronunciation and spelling that exist, (although America removed some of the spelling rules  eg colour vs color)


Learning english is a cakewalk compared to learning French :). 4 different accents é è ê ë, words have a sex, either masculin or feminin, and articles also have a sex. There is a ton of grammatical rules, I don't remember all of them, I just write by instinct and it works fine for me.

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The only Engrish song that annoys me is the Sonic anime song "look alike"
http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/sonicthehedgehog/lookalike.htm


Yes I've heard other people label that song as bad.

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Learning another language is made harder or easier depending on how often you are exposed to that language and correct pronunciation.


Yeah, it helps if you have friends that know the language. Right now, I think the most difficult language that I could learn is Chinese, mainly because every word has their own character, although some words are a combinations of other characters. But I'm fairly confident that I could handle the pronunciations pretty well. I'll test it out next time I talk to my Cantonese or Mandarin friends. Memorizing a sound and reciting it isn't nearly as hard as memorizing a character and associating a meaning to it.

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Yeah the Hack Sign theme song is really Engrish but at least is sounds good
 

Some like it, others abhor it. The friend that tried to identify the words was not familiar with anime and labeled the song as garbage.

The friend that introduced me to that song wasn't into it at 1st because of the "decrepit" pronounciation. But as he watched the series the song stuck in his head, and he ended up listening to it for hours straight. Considering that this person is writing his 1st book and pays a lot of attention to his style, it is quite a paradox :) He considers the Japanese pronounciations to be cute, even though he thinks that they are wrong.

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She probably does not have much impetus to fix up her pronunciation, it would require a rather large effort.


I've heard that all of the other english songs found in hack sign were sung by western performers. Personally I feel that they should expand on that :) Outsourcing can be a good thing.

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Within a country  also the pronunciation can be very different depending on the region where you live, in Australia you can tell sometimes the exact suburb someone lives in, eg there was a lady on television who said, "he hurted my boy". That is just one example I can think of right now.


The pronounciation might be slightly different, but not nearly as different as some of the things I'm hearing in the songs. Although Australian English sounds different from what I'm used to, I consider it to be proper english as opposed to English spoken with a heavy French Canadian accent. An American that does not know any French will probably have an easier time speaking with an Australian or a British than a Quebecer. As for the hurted expression, I don't think it would be considered grammatically correct if someone were to write it down.

But anyway, although the pronounciation is poor, and sometimes the lyrics do not make sense, the songs sell, at least in Japan, so from a business perspective, the only one that really matters, engrish is useful.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GodZilla168 on August 29, 2004, 11:10:51 am
I just want to say many many thanks to live evil with the hard work that they do at translating the anime especially Initial D 4th Stage.

I know the show was released last week or so, any idea on when you guys are ready to post 5 and 6.  I know it takes time to translate and get everything right. Just curious that is all.  Because I don't have access to the internet all the time so I wanted to know when it comes out so I can grab it.

THanks
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Evolution on August 29, 2004, 01:57:19 pm
Yes but with Languages such as English there is no real constant rule there are exceptions and sub rules everywhere.

*I thought I would edit to note that this has nothing to do with anything*
its like what I wrote on my friend's birthday card, "Merry year of passing day. May this year be of constant value to you"
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Post by: xiaochefy on August 29, 2004, 08:04:49 pm
oh thats cool
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Post by: crazysmoke on August 30, 2004, 01:13:00 am
well if i look at it this way its easier for ppl who know a latin based language to learn another latin based language.

its different for eastern cultures cuz the languages have nuthin in common at all. even the sounds and pronuncing of the words are different. but it easier for them to learn languages similar to them.

i hope in the future the world will have 1 main language or have universal translators.

oh yea the english words are there for fun. cuz it doesn't even fit in to the song. also the words don't flow with the song if the are pronunced correctly i think cuz the music is written for japanese words its like how dubs suck.
it be crazy hard for an english speaker to sing japanese words in a song too.

other then that i don't mind the intro. its all good were just over analyzing the situation.
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Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 30, 2004, 02:04:59 am
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well if i look at it this way its easier for ppl who know a latin based language to learn another latin based language.


True.

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its different for eastern cultures cuz the languages have nuthin in common at all. even the sounds and pronuncing of the words are different. but it easier for them to learn languages similar to them.
 

The Eastern and western languages may come from different roots, but it is still possible for a single person to master both. I have 2 uncles who came to Canada when they were in their 20s, and both speak French without an accent.

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if the are pronunced correctly i think cuz the music is written for japanese words its like how dubs suck.


Some of the worst engrish songs were written entirely in english. Take Hack Sign's Obsession and Sonic's Lookalike for example.

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it be crazy hard for an english speaker to sing japanese words in a song too.


Correct. That is why there are no westerners releasing Japanese music CDs. Something like that might happen someday, but I'm fairly certain that such an artist would have mastered Japanese pronounciation beforehand.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Evolution on August 30, 2004, 03:44:30 am
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its all good were just over analyzing the situation.


We are just passing time till the next Initial D release lol
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Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 30, 2004, 04:06:23 am
hehe good one    :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: MAD_MAX on August 30, 2004, 04:15:28 am
Is there any sign of life for the eps 5 & 6!!!?? >:( A lot of people including ME are waiting. I don't want to push the subbers (Maybe a little) but at least, give us a date of realese or something. ??? Initial D fan are soooooo bored to wait and there is some of them that are even worried (like me). When they are coming out! Its the only thing I want to know. :'(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 30, 2004, 05:00:52 am
Just a suggestion, maybe if you went to their IRC channel and ask them nicely they might tell you how far they are on their translation.

Judging from what happened with eps 3 and 4, Live-Evil releases their work as soon as it is done. So you might get your hands on ep 5 soon enough, and might need to wait 3 more days until you can view ep 6.

Now, do you really want to wait 3 days for ep 6 after ep 5 probably left off with a cliffhanger?  :D

I think it would be a good idea to wait a bit longer for the possibility to view 5-6 back to back.
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Post by: Shouji_Shingo on August 30, 2004, 07:36:16 am
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Correct. That is why there are no westerners releasing Japanese music CDs. Something like that might happen someday, but I'm fairly certain that such an artist would have mastered Japanese pronounciation beforehand.

You, sir, are wrong. There are plenty of westerners that have released Japanese albums. First on the top of my head is none other than football superstar Warren Sapp's brother Bob Sapp who is very big in Japan right now.

Now, the problem here is that youre arguing a subject you dont know. In Japan, it is very commonplace for a lot of things to have english in them. Advertisments, commercials, products, everything. No matter how bad it is. Hence Engrish.com. Its funny to us, but they dont know any better. Aisu Kurimu. What did I just say? Here is another one, how many of you have been to Disuni rando? There is a nice place in Japan called Supesu Warudo. Daiyamondo's are forever. Anyone own a pair of Aisu Suketo's? I bet there are a lot of people here who like basukettoboru, and are big Lakers fans. How many Ranpu's do you have in your house? After a long hard day at work, I like to sit down with an aisu cold biru. Ive never owned a car that was painted gure. Need I go on? Or do you get the fucking idea yet?

You may be trilungual, but you sure are ignorant.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Hex on August 30, 2004, 08:27:35 am
After reading all this I felt I had to sign up and make a post. Judging by your comments I take it none of you have ever tried learning Japanese in great depth. Part of the cause of “engrish” is down to the Kana (One of the Japanese alphabets, A mixture Hiragana of and Katakana) these alphabets determine pronunciation of written words. Have you ever heard a Japanese person trying to use an English name for instance, Watson as in Dr Watson from Sherlock Holmes.  They would pronounce Watason, Wa-ta-so-n as the alphabet dose not have a “ts” sound other than “tsu”, so they must use the closest sounding syllable they have, in this case, "ta".

Now I admit I don’t have that much knowledge of Japanese, having not long started studying it, but this is the insight I can give you.
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Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 30, 2004, 08:36:42 am
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You, sir, are wrong. There are plenty of westerners that have released Japanese albums. First on the top of my head is none other than football superstar Warren Sapp's brother Bob Sapp who is very big in Japan right now.


Point taken. But personally, I think he barely qualifies as a "japanese" artist. There is 1 Japanese man singing in the background, with Sapp singing mostly in english, with the occasional grunting. I don't like it as much as I don't like the engrish songs.

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Now, the problem here is that youre arguing a subject you dont know. In Japan, it is very commonplace for a lot of things to have english in them. Advertisments, commercials, products, everything. No matter how bad it is. Hence Engrish.com.


Apparently, you don't know that all of the above is explained in engrish.com


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Its funny to us, but they dont know any better.


That has been my position from the beginning. But concerning the singers, don't tell me they can't afford to hire a translator to check their english structure or correct their pronounciation. Again, I have complete respect for people like Utada Hikaru who sings in both Japanese and english and does a good job at both. Aside from Utada, there are other J artists that have good pronounciation, so some do know better.

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Aisu Kurimu. What did I just say? Here is another one, how many of you have been to Disuni rando? There is a nice place in Japan called Supesu Warudo. Daiyamondo's are forever. Anyone own a pair of Aisu Suketo's? I bet there are a lot of people here who like basukettoboru, and are big Lakers fans. How many Ranpu's do you have in your house? After a long hard day at work, I like to sit down with an aisu cold biru. Ive never owned a car that was painted gure. Need I go on? Or do you get the fucking idea yet?


Why do you hate America?

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You may be trilungual, but you sure are ignorant.


I am just an occasionnal anime fan, and i admit that I do not know everything about Japanese pop culture or all the Japanese equivalent of simple english words.  I don't try to use mispronounced Japanese words at work, home or anywhere in between to further my gains. I don't add Japanese words to my emails titles for extra spice either.
Forgiveness please!

After all, why say basketball when I can say basukettoboru? I could be different from my peers and be as cool as the Japanese who mix in poorly pronounced english words in their music.


Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 30, 2004, 08:56:49 am
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After reading all this I felt I had to sign up and make a post. Judging by your comments I take it none of you have ever tried learning Japanese in great depth. Part of the cause of ?engrish? is down to the Kana (One of the Japanese alphabets, A mixture Hiragana of and Katakana) these alphabets determine pronunciation of written words. Have you ever heard a Japanese person trying to use an English name for instance, Watson as in Dr Watson from Sherlock Holmes.  They would pronounce Watason, Wa-ta-so-n as the alphabet dose not have a ?ts? sound other than ?tsu?, so they must use the closest sounding syllable they have, in this case, "ta".


You are saying that Japanese and english are different. I agree with that.

But when you're a professional with plenty of cash and refuses to hire a translator, instead choosing to emit funny sounds, that's just silly.

Some Japanese singers aim for excellence, others choose to wallow in mediocrity.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on August 30, 2004, 09:55:08 am
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Is there any sign of life for the eps 5 & 6!!!?? >:( A lot of people including ME are waiting. I don't want to push the subbers (Maybe a little) but at least, give us a date of realese or something. ??? Initial D fan are soooooo bored to wait and there is some of them that are even worried (like me). When they are coming out! Its the only thing I want to know. :'(

And if we give you all a release date, and then miss it... what then, huh?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on August 30, 2004, 09:56:19 am
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Why do you hate America?

Ah yes, it's wonderful tidbits like this that kept me laughing throughout the past page or two of posts.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Chapel on August 30, 2004, 10:24:19 am
looking forward to the next two.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: lifesaver on August 30, 2004, 11:25:51 am
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And if we give you all a release date, and then miss it... what then, huh?


how about just an update on where its at? like how far along you guys are with 5 and 6.  no release date need to be given

and about this japanese artists singing english in their songs.  maybe it's meant to make sense, maybe it's not, maybe it's meant to be sung the way they did, or maybe it's because they are lazy to hire someone to teach them how to say it properly.  it is still THEIR music, i dont see why people are just making assumptions on why the words are there where it is or why they sing it the way they do.  if you really care about it that much, shoot, write a threatening email to the artist or something.
and personally i think most engrish happen because they just translate the original language literally, and for whatever reason, they dont make it gramatically correct.  maybe they are lazy, or maybe they just dont give 2 ****s about it.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: lifesaver on August 30, 2004, 11:39:31 am
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You are saying that Japanese and english are different. I agree with that.

But when you're a professional with plenty of cash and refuses to hire a translator, instead choosing to emit funny sounds, that's just silly.

Some Japanese singers aim for excellence, others choose to wallow in mediocrity.


how do you know that they REFUSE to hire a translator? do u know this artist personally? and excellence could mean many different things to different people.  maybe they'd rather spend their time on writing better lyrics, maybe they'd rather spend more time on composing better music, why do they have to care about one little english word that they happen to use in their song.  it doesn't hurt the song, unless i guess you are one of those people who just likes to nitpick everything they see/hear.  in that case, please by all means, write your own songs (or pay people to write them for you) and sing them yourself with the right pronouciation.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 30, 2004, 07:06:02 pm
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How do you know that they REFUSE to hire a translator?


The pronounciation would not be way off if they did. And the english lyrics can be ridden with mistakes, even on paper.

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do u know this artist personally? and excellence could mean many different things to different people.


To me, it just means that if you are using foreign words, use them in the right context and pronounce them correctly.

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maybe they'd rather spend their time on writing better lyrics, maybe they'd rather spend more time on composing better music, why do they have to care about one little english word that they happen to use in their song.


There is usually more than 1 english word, sometimes they even make up the whole song. Sure, they can choose not to care if they want to, but then the end result just sounds silly.

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it is still THEIR music, i dont see why people are just making assumptions on why the words are there where it is or why they sing it the way they do.  if you really care about it that much, shoot, write a threatening email to the artist or something.
and personally i think most engrish happen because they just translate the original language literally, and for whatever reason, they dont make it gramatically correct.  


That's why a translator would be useful.

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and about this japanese artists singing english in their songs.  maybe it's meant to make sense, maybe it's not,


I would agree with the latter.

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maybe it's meant to be sung the way they did, or maybe it's because they are lazy to hire someone to teach them how to say it properly.


I agree.

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in that case, please by all means, write your own songs (or pay people to write them for you) and sing them yourself with the right pronouciation.


My point all along was that it is silly to sing words that you can't pronounce correctly, why would I do that myself?

It's not like there is no remedy for their poor grasp of english. They could learn English and concentrate on singing in a language they excel at (Japanese) in the meantime. There are J artists that are good at both english and their native tongue. Or, do like Hack Sign who chose a western performer to sing most of their english songs.

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it doesn't hurt the song, unless i guess you are one of those people who just likes to nitpick everything they see/hear.


I praise what I think is well done and criticize the opposite.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: lifesaver on August 30, 2004, 10:32:06 pm
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The pronounciation would not be way off if they did. And the english lyrics can be ridden with mistakes, even on paper.

of course, you are assuming that they didnt

To me, it just means that if you are using foreign words, use them in the right context and pronounce them correctly.

exactly, but excellence might mean differently to them.  so this is a pointless argument.

There is usually more than 1 english word, sometimes they even make up the whole song. Sure, they can choose not to care if they want to, but then the end result just sounds silly.

dont take everything i said literally, when i said one word, i meant that it takes up only a fraction of the song.

That's why a translator would be useful.

i was directing that at the screenshots of games that i saw on engrish.com.  those games were pretty old, im not sure if japanese games nowadays still do that.

I would agree with the latter.

of course, you are assuming again that the latter is correct.

I agree.

same as above.

My point all along was that it is silly to sing words that you can't pronounce correctly, why would I do that myself?

my point was for you to sing an english song with proper pronounciation yourself. then you could sit back and listen to THAT instead of japanese artists singing english word with wrong pronounciation.

It's not like there is no remedy for their poor grasp of english. They could learn English and concentrate on singing in a language they excel at (Japanese) in the meantime. There are J artists that are good at both english and their native tongue. Or, do like Hack Sign who chose a western performer to sing most of their english songs.

why should they limit themselves to one language? just because u happen to not like the way they sing their songs?

I praise what I think is well done and criticize the opposite.


so u dont think anything of the song is well done? cause all i've seen you do is criticize. personally i think no one should criticize someone else unless they can do it better. (in this case, singing japanese songs with english words in them, and not just pronounciation)

all in all, i think this argument is and will go nowhere because there are too many assumptions made.  we could argue all day and still be saying the same thing cause we've already assumed what we dont know.

well that quote thing didn't go too well, but at least it's still readable.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 31, 2004, 12:46:28 am
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so u dont think anything of the song is well done? cause all i've seen you do is criticize.


What song are you talking about exactly? If you are talking about Dogfight, then I liked what I hear from the male singer, but not the female. Again, I do enjoy songs sung entirely in Japanese, or english songs performed by people who can pronounce the words correctly (like Beat of the Rising Sun). But I abhor songs like Hack's sign's Obsession or Sonic's Lookalike.

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lifesaver says:
maybe it's meant to make sense, maybe it's not,


Have you checked some of my previous quotes:

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You're big time gambler"

"Rocket dance (DOGFIGHT)"

In Move's defense, the male singer is a good english singer. Beat of the Rising Sun was nice, plus all the lyrics seem to make sense.

However, I saw the clip of another song called "supersonic dance", which didn't seem to make a lot of sense.

And of course, this:

http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/hacksign/obsession.htm

and especially this:

"I want to throw my brain of a half,  
I want to throw my brain of a half,  
wanna throw it away."

Brain song by the pees

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Not only is the sound way off (in the case of Dogfight and Hack Sign at least, couldn't find an audio of The Brain song so I'll be generous and give them the benefit of the doubt for now) but the structure is wrong as well.

And about the lyrics not making any sense, to me that's clear enough.

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exactly, but excellence might mean differently to them.  so this is a pointless argument.


Well yes, to be fair, some might consider that as long as they don't sing off-key, that's excellent.

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my point was for you to sing an english song with proper pronounciation yourself. then you could sit back and listen to THAT instead of japanese artists singing english word with wrong pronounciation.


No, I do not have a beautiful female voice like Utada Hikaru to properly replace the Move woman :)

I was working on a version of dogfight that silences out the female singer via Advanced MP3 WMA recorder. I cut off the "Baby is ecstacy" part at the end. Whenever they get to the "You're big time gambler" part I turn the volume down.  At 1st I did not realize that there was more engrish to that part than just gambler. Now that I've found the complete lyrics, i might be able to do a complete non-engrish version, but I don't feel like listening to dogfight right now :)

Hey and if I really wanted to , I suppose I COULD use the monotonous wave files they offer at dictionary.com to drown the engrish, instead of settling with silence.

Of course, the result would not correspond to my definition of "excellent", but the result would still be slightly better from my perspective. Anyway this particular song will still have some structure error, and listening to it no longer appeals to me. If the only error was in pronounciation, then my technique could change the song to something acceptable to me, but such is not the case.

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why should they limit themselves to one language? just because u happen to not like the way they sing their songs?


What I wrote before:

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But anyway, although the pronounciation is poor, and sometimes the lyrics do not make sense, the songs sell, at least in Japan, so from a business perspective, the only one that really matters, engrish is useful.
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So basically they are free to add poorly sung english to their repertoire, since their target audience actually finds it cool, but that in case don't be surprised that:

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there is a lot of people out there (engrish.com's huge community) laughing at the Japanese's horrible pronounciation of english. And, like I said earlier, there would certainly be more laughs if the engrish artists had more exposure in the west.
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all in all, i think this argument is and will go nowhere


You're right, as a summary of my position:

-All the J artists that I've heard in anime sing exceptionally well in Japanese
-Most that add english to their J songs do so incorrectly, and their pronounciation is bad, making the end product sound silly
-Some J artists sing well both in Japanese and english
-I do like some english songs sung by J people that are proficient in eng
-Many people in Japan like engrish
-Many people elsewhere laugh at it, although, to be fair the like group probably outnumber the other group. But, as I said, if engrish artists had more exposure in the west, the number of people laughing at their horrible pronounciation would increase.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on August 31, 2004, 01:03:07 am
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all in all, i think this argument is and will go nowhere because there are too many assumptions made.  we could argue all day and still be saying the same thing cause we've already assumed what we dont know.

That's why I stopped bothering... he's using three or so examples, exceptions at that, to justify his entire argument, ignoring the rest of the subject. He justs wants to whine for whining's sake, so like I said in my first post... just keep it to your livejournal page, okay?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: lifesaver on August 31, 2004, 01:09:24 am
seems to me "you're big time gambler" is just missing an "a", making it "you're a big time gambler". that makes sense to me, its not horrid like
"I want to throw my brain of a half,  
I want to throw my brain of a half,  
wanna throw it away."  
but i think i can still manage to understand that verse. (they only have half of a brain and they want to throw it away? weird thoughts but hey, not everyone is normal.)

now........... how about some ep5/6 updates?!  :-X
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on August 31, 2004, 01:45:43 am
I replied to everything you posted point for point, even giving an example of mistakes in dogfight, I'm not dodging anything.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Shouji_Shingo on August 31, 2004, 02:41:46 am
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Why do you hate America?

I am just an occasionnal anime fan, and i admit that I do not know everything about Japanese pop culture or all the Japanese equivalent of simple english words.  I don't try to use mispronounced Japanese words at work, home or anywhere in between to further my gains. I don't add Japanese words to my emails titles for extra spice either.
Forgiveness please!

After all, why say basketball when I can say basukettoboru? I could be different from my peers and be as cool as the Japanese who mix in poorly pronounced english words in their music.




I do not hate america. I was trying to show you an example of english words that are commonly used in Japan.

Youd be about one of the only people Ive met that likes anime that doesnt do any of the things you listed(some of the rest of you may not, but this is the first time Ive been in this kind of discussion on this board).

To counter your last statement, you obviously didnt listen to hex. Its just as hard for them to learn a foreign word as it is for you and I and everyone else here. His statement is true, it is all because of the written language they use, not only that, but we make sounds that they do not.

Hex:
Up until recently when I began to take classes, I was doing a fine job of teaching myself Japanese, so yeah, I have been taking time to learn it in depth.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Chapel on August 31, 2004, 03:19:52 am
this thread has degraded to an argument over unimportant shit...

Is there any way we could get a small progress update on the next two episodes
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Hex on August 31, 2004, 03:56:41 am
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Hex:
Up until recently when I began to take classes, I was doing a fine job of teaching myself Japanese, so yeah, I have been taking time to learn it in depth.


Glad to hear it, Its a very interesting language to *try* to learn, I don’t have much time for classes atm, so for the most part I'm doing as you where, self taught through books, software, and of course watching anime when i have the chance.  :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on August 31, 2004, 06:29:00 am
haha what for all quarrelling man no pointless over just an small small thing keke don't quarrel already quit itt @
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on September 01, 2004, 02:15:09 am
If it's not banned, dropped, cancelled and live-evil decides not to quit fansubbing it should be on its way soonish.

Oh, and don't mess with Yoten, you probably won't win!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on September 01, 2004, 07:12:34 am
so what your saying is that "Live in Tokyo" is the best initial D track on the initial d sound track.

Well i like "Heartbeat" a little bit more.  

How bout yall whats your musical pleasure from the series...?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Hex on September 01, 2004, 07:37:47 am
Of the Initial D/Eurobeat albums I have I'd have to say I like the tracks "Wings of Fire" and "Night of Fire" (I knotice Fire is a very popular tital for them) the best. The CD's sit happily in my car's CD player, well it is driving music after all. ;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: streetdraggr on September 01, 2004, 10:55:26 am
I think we're gettin' a lil of topic here people.  I would like to say I appreciate the works you folks are doin'.  I've gotten the actual DVD's for Ep. 1-4 and have to say Live-Evil's versions of Subs are way more understandable than the JDM DVDs

Looks like Chapel as well as myself would like to know the progress of the new Episodes.  I can only speak for myself, but I'm jus' askin'...not tryin' to piss anyone off in anyway.  I'm jus' a big fan of Initial D as well as you all's work.  Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanx in advance
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: crazysmoke on September 01, 2004, 11:39:04 am
anyone know whats taking more time for the subs to come out? Are they busy with other projects?

About the music thing. man u guys are funny. i forgot about it already till i check on this post. just leave it alone man. everyone one has their own opinion.

my opinion is that its taking some time for ep 5 & 6.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on September 01, 2004, 05:19:52 pm
they say their in progress with 5 & 6 so thats gotta be good enough.  im sure they saw the other five people ask for it and they'll post them soon enough.  

ive got the raws for 5&6 and dont need them.  but i need it subbed and dont have it.  i guess id rather the previous that the latter but it probably doesnt matter cause it always works out both ways.  

so change the subject and lets be patient... naw wait everyone was pretty much always on topic... except the language thing.  

Q: how can you get a FF to drift, like if say you were in the toudou school?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: medowance on September 01, 2004, 07:58:18 pm
when is the fan sub for ep 5 & 6 is comin out??
the chinese fansub version is already out....
not to piss anyone but keep up the good work Live-Evil.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: lifesaver on September 01, 2004, 09:30:11 pm
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when is the fan sub for ep 5 & 6 is comin out??
the chinese fansub version is already out....
not to piss anyone but keep up the good work Live-Evil.


where's the chinese fansub for 5,6? and if it's in rvmb format, forget that i asked
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GrayGhost on September 02, 2004, 04:00:00 am
FF dont really drift... its just a powerslide as its impossible to link successive corners together with FF... to powerslide just shift the weight to the front and use the e-brake ;). Depending on how your car is balanced you can use left foot braking to get the back end out as well.

PS great job on the fansubs live-evil... I am impatiently waiting for 5&6  :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Red_Suns_FC3S on September 02, 2004, 09:36:43 am
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Q: how can you get a FF to drift, like if say you were in the toudou school?



::)FF's cannot drift. It's what is called an Ass Drag. Since you cannot produce natural oversteer in an FF like in a FR or MR, their is no way to really keep it in that position without a loss of traction to the rear wheels. The best thing you can do is pull the hand-brake and ass drag or slide.

I goto a show over the summer over here and its a dirft meet and I see alot of civics and Integras' trying it. But to tell you the truth they look really dumb trying to do it. You can't make real oversteer without the rear wheels spinning so whats the use of trying? The thing that kinda anoys some of the purists is guys out there who can think a Civic or some sort of other FF can go out there and play with the rest of the rear driven boys... it's just pretty lame if you ask me. Your wasting your time. If you want to do it... go put some milk trays under your real wheels and try it like that. Thats about the ony way you'll get an idea of what it's like. I'd say save up for a starters drifters car and learn the right way.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GrayGhost on September 02, 2004, 10:29:29 am
ass drag lol very techical term... lol. I like FF cars... tho not for drifting. But I do think that can be faster racing touge partially because of the lack of throttle caused oversteer.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: MrFrustration on September 02, 2004, 12:12:01 pm
 ::) ::)

You're both wrong. First off, FWD can oversteer. However, there aren't any FWD cars that do oversteer. Secondly, oversteer is overrated. It's an easy way for your typical wannabe to get in serious trouble. (See Dale Earnhardt Jr., who can't frigging drive.) The reason FWDs understeer is to keep the newbies out of trouble. Or into trouble, more frequently.
If I am going racing, and I am serious about it, I want -neutral- handling. I do not want oversteer or understeer, I want the car to go where I point it. At most I want a very very small and finite amount of oversteer if I need to power through certain turns.
If you guys wnat to see some real drifting, watch the WRC guys. Now here's an interesting fact for you - those cars are 4WD, and have very neutral handling under throttle, generally speaking. Yet they can swing a hairpin going through the whole thing sideways. How? Braking. WRC cars have three pedals, and none of them is a clutch. One throttle, then front and rear brakes are split. The slides they pull are induced purely by braking either heavily in the front or rear to produce the desired effect. If I'm going for a left hairpin, I'll want to brake hard front to get the car into a nosedive. If I hit a spot with no traction, I'm in trouble. So I get off the brakes after the nose is down, start swinging the wheel, and mash the rears to break traction. They pull straight with the front wheels before the rear wheels start putting power down.
So can a FWD drift? Yes. The thing is that it requries two major components; very specific suspension geometry, and a lot of torque. Anything made by Honda lacks both. Especially torque. How do you do it? You point the wheels the direction you wanna go. Brake hard to nose dive, snap the ebrake to dump your rear traction, and get hard on the throttle right away. Only one problem - you need equal length half shafts. Otherwise you're going to dorksteer into the nearest (ditch,wall,car.) If you're looking for equal length half-shafts, the list is short. Dodge Daytonas with 2.2 Turbos, Dodge Chargers, Shadow VNTs, and the Shelby mutants. And no, a differential does NOT make up for equal length half-shafts, despite what Daimler-Chrysler claims.
Title: My patience is wearing thin.
Post by: Yoten on September 02, 2004, 02:58:52 pm
Episodes 5 and 6 are on indefinite hiatus until certain people decide that they should show up and do the work they originally promised to do. They're pissing off the people who worked hard to get a "fast" release for once this time.

How's that?
Title: arg
Post by: DARCnarc on September 02, 2004, 08:30:20 pm
seriously, am i like the only one who's checkin this site like every couple of hours?, coz i dont wanna b obsessed but as days are rolling on im becoming a nervous wreck.  Im even checkin bw classes at uni and its kinda gettin ridiculous :-P    

i know so many otha ppl already asked this but sum kinda indication in days would b really great just to alleviate these feelings and compulsions
Title: Re: arg
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on September 02, 2004, 08:35:02 pm
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i know so many otha ppl already asked this but sum kinda indication in days would b really great just to alleviate these feelings and compulsions


Please understand that it's impossible to give an estimate in days when some of their team members are not present.

No matter how long it takes, I think it will be worth the wait.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: thork on September 02, 2004, 08:57:00 pm
New to the forums, and probably won't post often, but I thoroughly enjoy the fansubs of the new season/Stage of Initial D.

I am eagerly awaiting the 5th Act, but will wait longer for it, I hear from some friends in Japan that it is going to be awesome.

To the people who create these great pieces of translation, thank you.

*waiting patiently*

(FWD can not "drift" in the traditional form, though they do compete and win drift competitions sometimes. But FWD performance driving=grip. Drift is a show of the skill of the driver with his control of oversteering, as well as other skills/factors/techniques while controling his slide. Just do a little research on drift competitions/theory for the answers.)
Title: Re: Re: arg
Post by: DARCnarc on September 02, 2004, 08:58:41 pm
still.. i dunno how long i can hold out, im losin sleep and already forgot to feed my dog once, next... who knows
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on September 02, 2004, 11:10:43 pm
ok so are the FF truly faster for the average driver on a course like special stage #11 than FR?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GrayGhost on September 02, 2004, 11:42:42 pm
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::) ::)

You're both wrong. First off, FWD can oversteer. However, there aren't any FWD cars that do oversteer. Secondly, oversteer is overrated. It's an easy way for your typical wannabe to get in serious trouble. (See Dale Earnhardt Jr., who can't frigging drive.) The reason FWDs understeer is to keep the newbies out of trouble. Or into trouble, more frequently.
If I am going racing, and I am serious about it, I want -neutral- handling. I do not want oversteer or understeer, I want the car to go where I point it. At most I want a very very small and finite amount of oversteer if I need to power through certain turns.
If you guys wnat to see some real drifting, watch the WRC guys. Now here's an interesting fact for you - those cars are 4WD, and have very neutral handling under throttle, generally speaking. Yet they can swing a hairpin going through the whole thing sideways. How? Braking. WRC cars have three pedals, and none of them is a clutch. One throttle, then front and rear brakes are split. The slides they pull are induced purely by braking either heavily in the front or rear to produce the desired effect. If I'm going for a left hairpin, I'll want to brake hard front to get the car into a nosedive. If I hit a spot with no traction, I'm in trouble. So I get off the brakes after the nose is down, start swinging the wheel, and mash the rears to break traction. They pull straight with the front wheels before the rear wheels start putting power down.
So can a FWD drift? Yes. The thing is that it requries two major components; very specific suspension geometry, and a lot of torque. Anything made by Honda lacks both. Especially torque. How do you do it? You point the wheels the direction you wanna go. Brake hard to nose dive, snap the ebrake to dump your rear traction, and get hard on the throttle right away. Only one problem - you need equal length half shafts. Otherwise you're going to dorksteer into the nearest (ditch,wall,car.) If you're looking for equal length half-shafts, the list is short. Dodge Daytonas with 2.2 Turbos, Dodge Chargers, Shadow VNTs, and the Shelby mutants. And no, a differential does NOT make up for equal length half-shafts, despite what Daimler-Chrysler claims.


hehe I have mentioned that previous.. 'lack of oversteer' - in otherwords 'balance' in my last post. I'm not sure about the equal lenght half shafts but I know I can get my cars ass out with a little left foot braking to transfer weight to the front. NO EBRAKE... I know lots of cars cant do this but w/e. o I drive a mazdaspeed protege. and yes I'm eagerly awaiting the next releases! but they are super quality so I dont want a rush job ;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: thork on September 03, 2004, 02:39:18 am
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... yes I'm eagerly awaiting the next releases! but they are super quality so I dont want a rush job ;)


Exactly, better to wait longer and get the same amazing quality fansub job as they have been doing.

Patience is virtue!  :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Importkitz on September 03, 2004, 06:30:28 am
I've downloaded the RAW version of episodes 5 & 6. I've watched it about 20 times now. I want to know what they are saying... :'(

I watch the 6th episode everynight now before I go to bed.

Whats taking so long? Is there anything I can help with?

Just to let you know...I dont speak or understand Japanese. I wish I did... :(

BUT besides that...I love your work and keep it up.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Hex on September 03, 2004, 08:16:51 am
/me twiddles thumbs whilst waiting for the staffing problems to sort themselfs out, then goes and re-watches ep's 1-4 again to remind my self its high qualty work and worth the wait. :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: medowance on September 03, 2004, 05:19:36 pm
hey! livesaver

the chinese fansub can be get on http://bt1.btchina.net/

they have 3 version; avi, rmvb and mpg.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: water_313 on September 04, 2004, 01:38:22 am
when i click the link, it just tell me to download this thing, but won't load the page, can you tell me why this is happening?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: scotty305 on September 04, 2004, 02:00:34 pm
Live-Evil, is there anything relatively simple that you need help with, like editing or timing?

Regarding FF drifting, if you look at certain groups of rallycross (not the WRC-spec guys, but lesser ones like SCCA ProRally GT class, and european 1600 classes) you will see this. True motorsports drifting, like that depicted in Initial D, is controlled oversteer in order to carry speed through a corner, rather than slowing down enough to keep traction and accelerate out using the traditional 'grip' technique. A front-wheel drive car can do this, it is not as simple as steering with the throttle however, they need to use a lot of input to the both the handbrake and the footbrake. FF cars have the advantage of being able to begin accelerating earlier in the corner, and also less drivetrain loss vs. FR vehicles, but I'm sure most of you already know that. FR is a lot more fun to drive though, I wish they would show the uphill races, there isn't enough rotary action in Stage 4.

Does anyone else feel that the AE86 shouldn't have been able to beat the Miata in a downhill race? Not only is the Miata lighter and more powerful, but it's got a better suspension and significantly lower center of gravity.

Another thing, for nighttime racing, they sure don't emphasize the importance of good headlights, that should have been mentioned by now.

-s-
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: medowance on September 04, 2004, 04:33:42 pm
the chinese fansub is at a chinese bt server. the link is ok........ or you can try to connect this link. they are the same.

http://bt.btchina.net/
http://bt1.btchina.net/
http://bt2.btchina.net/
http://bt3.btchina.net/
http://nycz.btchina.net/

this server/host are extremely slow to load... i dunno why..... all i know is that there are lots... i mean lots! of movies, series, cartoon, game show, games.....etc (eng/chi).

possible that's the reason.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: makakazo on September 05, 2004, 02:03:06 am
Hi there, new in the forums.

I hope there are no big problems with the series, at least not as big as to drop it. I'm going to download the first english fansub to come out at this pace as i'm beginning to watch the raws and just understood Iketani telling Itsuki he was slower than a turtle in his 85 :D But i had already decided that i liked the ide-LE version the most and i want to burn all the series with your work.

Also i'm using your version for the Spanish subs edition i'm preparing as i don't understand much Japanese, but i've just done chp 1 so far - no need to hurry as it's an independent fansub not announced and no one is going to take me the head cause they're still on 2nd stage chp 10 or so.

Great job guys, and keep it up!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: FC3S on September 05, 2004, 08:40:06 am
does anyone know where i can download episodes 5 and 6?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: archerz on September 05, 2004, 08:48:26 am
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Does anyone else feel that the AE86 shouldn't have been able to beat the Miata in a downhill race? Not only is the Miata lighter and more powerful, but it's got a better suspension and significantly lower center of gravity.

I don't think so IMHO. Lighter? maybe but powerful? takumi's engine can rev up to 11000 rpm and has 250 horses at least
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on September 05, 2004, 09:38:08 am
talking about losing nah i don't think so takumi's AE86 is good hidden power heh ^_- cause of its drifting skills thats why he owned ^^
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: scotty305 on September 05, 2004, 10:02:50 am
I've driven both Miatas and AE86 GT-S , stock for stock the Miata is a good amount faster, it's obvious that the CG and suspension geometry are better, and the Miata has more low-end torque (esp. 1.8L versions). I guess in the series, the 4A-GE has been better prepped and tuned. Plus yes, Takumi is the best driver in the world, blah blah blah. Great fun, it's too bad lots of kids hurt themselves trying such advanced maneuvers on public roads. Keep it on the track guys, www.scca.com

-s-
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vash on September 05, 2004, 12:04:37 pm
Yes keep it on the track and dont think your a pro. Cause you will never be like Talumi or myself XD

ID4 soon to come out so watch out what L-E releases
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Iron on September 05, 2004, 06:34:06 pm
Well IF you have been watching initial D (2nd stage especially) you should know that Takumi's car has Bunta's superb suspension etc and has that very very special racing built engine which has some 250 horsepower and can rev over 10krpm.. So I kinda think the developers cut themselves some slack with that since now you cant compare the car to anything normally street driven.

I also think that all the other subbers have given up after they saw LE was making so good subs and now there's no sub at all compared to the earlier "bad subs available day after it's out".. This is getting mean..
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Hex on September 05, 2004, 10:06:49 pm
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ID4 soon to come out so watch out what L-E releases

Do you mean it, is it true, not some cruel practical joke....

Finaly these withdrawl symptoms can be suppressed for a little while longer before the next 2 episodes.   ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 06, 2004, 04:44:56 am
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I've driven both Miatas and AE86 GT-S , stock for stock the Miata is a good amount faster, it's obvious that the CG and suspension geometry are better, and the Miata has more low-end torque (esp. 1.8L versions). I guess in the series, the 4A-GE has been better prepped and tuned. Plus yes, Takumi is the best driver in the world, blah blah blah. Great fun, it's too bad lots of kids hurt themselves trying such advanced maneuvers on public roads. Keep it on the track guys, www.scca.com

-s-


Takumi's 86 has a heavily tuned suspension... they tell us that when Itsuki bought his 85... on top of that their weights are both quite low... under 2k lbs... whats different is that new engine isn't your normal stock engine =.=... the stock engine pulls 128hp at the flywheel... and this one is atleast 210hp...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage
Post by: azndvl on September 06, 2004, 09:08:18 am
Hey, im just curious to know when initial d ep's 5 & 6 are out? iv been actively looking consatantly for it but none with subtitles :( anyone know when L&E will release them?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 06, 2004, 11:51:50 am
there's 2 things in this world you dont' do for sure... one is ask when a release is gonna happen... and the other is drinking Ramune through your nose _(._.')_
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on September 07, 2004, 12:34:29 am
There's a small chance the episodes might come out when people stop asking for them.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on September 07, 2004, 06:26:07 am
I really don't mean any disrespect at all, But I'm curious, is it just me or did the subbing for 5&6 take longer to get out than 3&4 or 1&2? Any particular reason, something new about them or are they done in a new way?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 07, 2004, 06:30:29 am
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I really don't mean any disrespect at all, But I'm curious, is it just me or did the subbing for 5&6 take longer to get out than 3&4 or 1&2? Any particular reason, something new about them or are they done in a new way?


" Episodes 5 and 6 are on indefinite hiatus until certain people decide that they should show up and do the work they originally promised to do. They're pissing off the people who worked hard to get a "fast" release for once this time.

How's that?"


do you guys not read the previous posts? atleast 2 pages back? [smiley=halalala.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Shouji_Shingo on September 07, 2004, 07:21:56 am
The engine in the AE86 in question is a Toyota Formula Atlantic engine out of a formula atlantic car. In real life, it is a highly modified 4A-GE with 13.75:1 compression, 304 degree cams, individual throttle bodies, the works. The car is mad tuned. If you could reproduce the work, and thats a big if, it would be very un-streetable. So therefore, it looks good as a work of fiction. Now, if in fact you could get one of these engines(fat chance, unless you build it from either the closest HKS parts you can find or you happen upon the real TRD parts...) and shoe-horn it into an AE86(its hard enough getting a 20 valve 4A-GE into one, but it can be done) and you had anywhere near the suspension tuning needed, it would be hard for a lot of cars to beat you. 250hp, 11k rpm redline, who could beat you? That is if you didnt get pulled over first from all the noise. Deafeningly loud. So loud that they are about one of the only formula cars that have to run a muffler of some sort.

So, do I find it hard to believe that it beat the Miata in the downhill? No, because the Miata, while a great car, did not have HALF of the engine that Takumi had under the hood. And neither did the EK9 CTR. Though, in terms, the EK9's engine is about the closest to Takumis tune wise out of all of them so far.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: epox_999 on September 07, 2004, 08:25:13 am
First time posters...

Please don't keep asking when the episodes are coming. They will be out when they come out.

Translation, Timing, Subtitling, Encoding, Distribution, ...etc... is time consuming, and difficult.  And they are doing this all free of charge.

Remember that these fine people (the Live-Evil group) are providing you with hours of free entertainment.

Enjoy the episodes when they come out, and help out by Seeding some torrents for the Group!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: krisbsirk on September 07, 2004, 09:52:40 am
Shouji_Shingo, I have seen a drifting video with AE86 setup the same way that they have in the series.  Actually, they have more work done to it, since it is used as a race car.  But it was amazing, I saw the car and thought it was interesting, then the guy popped the hood and I couldn't believe it.  The engine was identical.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: azndvl on September 07, 2004, 12:35:49 pm
eh, my bad, didnt know:) first time posting. But i just can't wait, initial d is too good :(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: azndvl on September 07, 2004, 03:56:47 pm
man im so desperate for initial d rite now, im gonna dump my g\f if she dont stop nagging me to go out, i just say to her fuck off im waiting for initial d lol. Iv been consatanly searching kazaa every 10 mins for it, but none have subs:(
But i do prefer L-E subs, as then are the best round at the mo:)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on September 07, 2004, 07:03:27 pm
i live in NY and lately ive been seeing alot of S14s around.  whats the deal ithought they were japanese exclusives. Or maybe theyre just 240s with silvia badges.  i thought it was too expensive to import and convert the steering wheel.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Red_Suns_FC3S on September 07, 2004, 08:28:31 pm
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i live in NY and lately ive been seeing alot of S14s around.  whats the deal ithought they were japanese exclusives. Or maybe theyre just 240s with silvia badges.  i thought it was too expensive to import and convert the steering wheel.


Well you could get a front clip which includes everything most of the time including trans. You get the engine, ECU, wiring harness... various other needed equitment console, dashboard gauages in kilometers... trans so, its basically a drop in... dont know what the price would be it varys. It's alot fo trouble IMO to make it right handed... of course... it could be some 240's with the badges like you said. But, I've talked to a kid in Florida who has an imported 180sx... so IDK... unless they dropped major cash for one... it could be badged.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 07, 2004, 09:12:07 pm
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man im so desperate for initial d rite now, im gonna dump my g\f if she dont stop nagging me to go out, i just say to her fuck off im waiting for initial d lol. Iv been consatanly searching kazaa every 10 mins for it, but none have subs:(
But i do prefer L-E subs, as then are the best round at the mo:)


u really need to get ur priorities straight if u let ID get in the way of your women [smiley=antp.gif]

now that, that's out of the way... hippopotomoose odds are all the silvia's u've been seeing are just silvia body kits with a simple sr20det swap on 240s
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Shouji_Shingo on September 07, 2004, 11:27:28 pm
I agree with the above two, they are likely just 1995-1998 S14 240SX's. All you would really need to do is change the badges. Converting to RHD is not hard either, if you bought a front clip. Im contemplating buying a single-cam Integra front clip and converting my Integra to RHD.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Gideon on September 07, 2004, 11:42:52 pm
I think if any of the fansubbers who sub ID just post the status once in the forum, there would be much less arguing about the next episodes. Just "expect it in about a week/ 2 weeks" would be a good answer. I dont think any of us who asks you (fansubbers), want the exact date and time.
Or maby you just want us to drool ourselfs crazy in the desire for the next eps :)

Thank you L-E for all the great subs you´re doing!! Keep up the good work
                                    Quality before Quantity
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on September 08, 2004, 12:32:07 am
Expect it in about three months.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Red_Suns_FC3S on September 08, 2004, 01:55:51 am
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Expect it in about three months.



lol  [smiley=mrbrelle.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on September 08, 2004, 03:27:57 am
That's not very funny at all :(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Hex on September 08, 2004, 03:38:24 am
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Expect it in about three months.


Thats just cruel.  :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vange on September 08, 2004, 05:21:42 am
Well depends what you mean by S14, S14a is a 95-96 nissan 240SX which was offered in US then there was S14b which was the 97-98 model of the 240SX in the U.S. the only one not offered in america was the S15. Unfortunately the S14 (all the 240's in actuality) were all offered with a Natural aspirated 2.4L 4 cylinder 155hp motor. YOu can do the Jspec motor swapr prob for about 5,000 at a shop or about $3,000 you do it yourself :)

*proud 1997 240SX S14b owner*
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Evoluti0n on September 08, 2004, 06:24:40 am
i need to watch the new eps of initial d, im starting to watch porn more frequently! i need to stop getting back to that habit, anyways my next car gonna be a 240sx. im considering getting a 91/92 or 98. My question is 91-92's 240sx couples lighter then the hatchbacks?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on September 08, 2004, 06:37:30 am
Though I don't believe there should be a car discussion in the middle of the Initial D thread, to set the record straight there's no such thing as an S14a.  The two models are an S14 ( 95-96 ) and an S14b ( 97-98 ).  It's a common misconception though.

*Proud 1995 240sx S14 owner*

Keep up the good work, Live Evil, I can't wait for the new episodes to come out! ^^

Edited to get rid of that stupid smiley that was put in after the 98. -.-'
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 08, 2004, 06:51:27 am
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Expect it in about three months.


[smiley=hotshot.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: azndvl on September 08, 2004, 02:19:12 pm
that's not funny man :(
is L-E dead or something now? cause they haven't seem to have updated their news on the home page??
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: lifesaver on September 08, 2004, 02:28:06 pm
episode 5 and 6 is amazing
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Evolution on September 08, 2004, 05:57:45 pm
I don't think L-E is dead, as it says they were recently busy at Otakon and there were news updates since then. As mentioned people have educational commitments starting around this time of the year as well.
L-E has already issued a statement (I think) reguarding eps 4 + 5 in this thread and it has quoted a few times too.  I am reminded of the expression, the watched pot never boils. Its all good, as far as I know, L-E is still fansubing initial D so we just need to step back and chilax and let the good people at L-E do their thing :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: scotty305 on September 09, 2004, 01:20:35 am
Again, if there is any help needed that doesn't require one to be fluent in japanese, I'd like to throw my hat in the ring: editing , distributing, a quick $5-10 to someone's paypal address...
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re: AE86 vs. MX-5 Miata, you guys bring up a good point: tuning a car is much different from throwing parts at it. Hats off to person who mentioned that Takumi's car has better suspension setup.  The 250hp Formula Atlantic motor has too narrow of a powerband to be of much use, in my opinion. In one of the previous episodes (near the end of stage 1, I believe), the guy with the turbo levin mentioned that Takumi's motor was a 'race engine tuned for street-racing,'  I seriously doubt it would be making 250hp in street trim, you'd kill your midrange power.

For all of the aspiring drifters out there (personally I'm not willing to risk breaking my beautiful car) there are tons of safe environments to learn car control at, especially in SoCal: www.driftday.com is one of them, and I'm sure fellow fans can chime in with more.


PS, anyone who's watched the 5&6  eps raw, notice that Keisuke's motor is back to stock? No more chrome bling in there, compare it to stage 1's engine bay shots.

-s-
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Busta_K on September 09, 2004, 07:08:36 am
Please read the previous posts before posting a comment such as that...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mudda on September 09, 2004, 07:12:52 am
Does anyone happen to have subs for Ep. 5 & 6?.

Thanks
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mudda on September 09, 2004, 07:27:33 am
What comment??
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on September 09, 2004, 07:33:44 am
Mudda....THESE type of comments....

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Does anyone happen to have subs for Ep. 5 & 6?.

Thanks


ESP when they are answered OVER and OVER again....take the time to skim at LEAST one or two pages back

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Episodes 5 and 6 are on indefinite hiatus until certain people decide that they should show up and do the work they originally promised to do. They're pissing off the people who worked hard to get a "fast" release for once this time.

How's that?


::) ::)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mudda on September 09, 2004, 07:35:59 am
Thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: icecold on September 09, 2004, 12:58:15 pm
if im not mistaken also...takumi's dad bunta besides tuning the car himself also has i believe an APEX-integration exhaust also. i could be wrong though. but you are right that the car has an 11k redline and that  it pulls out 240 bhp but the thing that i want to know is how much torque that badboy is pulling out and that is it 240bhp on normal pump gas, racing gas, or methanol.
just a question
-cold
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: icecold on September 09, 2004, 12:58:40 pm
o and reading up on the old posts...i was looking at the ff post to be exact. some companies convert integras to rwd by using an identical i believe hona pilot rearend and everything so it makes it able to drift but its not to good. like for the ultimate drift machine in the states get a 240sx but if you are in japan get an c33 laurel i mean for a four door car this drifts better than ive seen some skylines and 240's drift.
maybe its the different weight distribution but im not sure. got to research it.
-cold
p.s. this car has got the skyline rb20det motor in it so its got enough juice.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: azndvl on September 09, 2004, 01:46:38 pm
you say that  this c33 laurel that you've seen drifts better than some skylines and 240sx's, and that it's got a rb20det motor? i rekon that a car is as good as the driver, and to master drifting you have to master the car itself.  Just look at the AE86 that Takumi drives :D beats everything and anything :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Evolution on September 09, 2004, 03:15:12 pm
Now whenever one of my friends is driving and they ask if there are speed cameras in the area, I just say yes lol, otherwise they will go 100km over the speed limit lol

Relevance of this post: Zero
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 09, 2004, 03:25:34 pm
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is it 240bhp on normal pump gas, racing gas, or methanol.
just a question
-cold


in the anime... it runs on premium fuel... which is 108 octane... but in japan they run on a different octane scale so i would think it is anywhere between 94-100 octane fuel here... in other words... its normal pump if it is rated 94 octane... and its racing gas if its above 94...

*note 94 octane can be found in VERY few states... east coast gets lucky with 93 but sadly west coast gets 91  :'(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sokaris on September 09, 2004, 09:01:30 pm
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Though I don't believe there should be a car discussion in the middle of the Initial D thread, to set the record straight there's no such thing as an S14a.  The two models are an S14 ( 95-96 ) and an S14b ( 97-98 ).  It's a common misconception though.

*Proud 1995 240sx S14 owner*

Keep up the good work, Live Evil, I can't wait for the new episodes to come out! ^^

Edited to get rid of that stupid smiley that was put in after the 98. -.-'



Umm.. yes there is... it's refered to as the S14a (96.6~) sometimes in Japan. The whole S14b came from Americans to denote order in the alphabetical order. While in Japan S14a  is short for S14 After Manufacter Change. I've also seen S14 M/C used more frequently.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on September 09, 2004, 11:13:17 pm
They were talking about the 240sx, not the Silvia.  In the US (240sx, not Silvia) they are not referred to as S14a and S14b, that's just how it goes, but as I said it's a common misconception.  You don't need to believe me, I don't care. :D

Different terms are used in different parts of the world and it really depends on how "JDM" you want to be...

Meh, I'm not going to post on the topic of 240's anymore, this is not a debate for cars, it's a thread for the wonderful show Initial D.  Want to debate some more?  Take it up with me in a PM.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DeFCoN on September 09, 2004, 11:24:45 pm
THANK YOU Live Evil!!!!

I LOVE Initial D and without you guys and the fansubs all i'd have to watch is the first few episodes of the first stage that are still being released by TokyoPop here is the US. Keep up the awesome work!! I can't wait til the fansubs for Project D episodes 5 and 6 are released!!

- DeFCoN
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: crazysmoke on September 10, 2004, 03:06:44 am
i thought the 240sx was the 2nd best drift car in the states and the Silvia S15 was better. i could be wrong.

i have a theory about initial d. live evil has ep 5 and 6 subbed and everything. but wount release it cuz we asked for it too much.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on September 10, 2004, 04:19:06 am
heh thats cool ~
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: crazysmoke on September 10, 2004, 04:41:31 am
man alot of ppl signed up for the forum waiting for initial d. :) i'm one of them.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Red_Suns_FC3S on September 10, 2004, 07:10:22 am
patience everyone, patience. I'm just as antsy as you guys. Just gotta hold out. Never know maybe one of the mods could give us an update if they have some time. But, I'll just wait a little more patiently. A lot of you sound like your on withdrawl from crack or something... yikes. Just relax. In alll good time will have it.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mr._Bunta on September 10, 2004, 07:40:13 am
I just joined to let the mod's and editors of this live-evil site(that rocks by the way) that your did a great job with Episode's 1-4 of the Initial D 4th stage.... BUT PLEASE hurry and Sub ep5-6 I am going insane, like red-suns said.. it's like we are having a withdrawl from crack.. and thought I have never done it, I think this could be like it.  PLEASE HURRY, not trying to be an ass, but I can't take it! just work on initial D.. hahaha.


Useless Ranting post#1
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: SiL-080 on September 10, 2004, 11:31:24 am
you all need to just chill out, it will be out when its out, its just a tv show, its there to bring joy :) like it does for me. im sure they are not sitting in a chair with their thumbs up their asses or anything. have a beer and watch the old ones like i do :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on September 10, 2004, 01:55:32 pm
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i thought the 240sx was the 2nd best drift car in the states and the Silvia S15 was better. i could be wrong.


I know I know I said I wouldn't post on this topic anymore, but the Nissan family runs through my veins and I just can't help myself sometimes...

The 240sx is considered by many to be the American Silvia.  The true Silvia, however, was never sold domestically.  The S15 (which was never offered in a 240sx equivalent version) did look very nice, but it is not generally considered the overall best of the Silvia line.

Anyways, it's late and I'm slightly tipsy atm so I"m going to stop while I still (hopefullY) make a little bit of sense.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sokaris on September 11, 2004, 01:46:03 am
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They were talking about the 240sx, not the Silvia.  In the US (240sx, not Silvia) they are not referred to as S14a and S14b, that's just how it goes, but as I said it's a common misconception.  You don't need to believe me, I don't care. :D


S14 is an S14. Besides engine options, steering wheel position and a few aestetic differences it's basically the same chassis.

Everyone today has pretty much adopted the Japanese naming system.  There use to be people who were confused about the whole Japanese naming system before the wide spread adoption. The whole "S14B" thing stems from "S14A" in the alphabetical sense. A is followed by B.


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Different terms are used in different parts of the world and it really depends on how "JDM" you want to be...


To say it's only a matter of local terms between American and Japan means the term S14B is totally irrelevent. It's clearly a creation based on the confusion of the Japanese naming system. Heck back then 240SX owners didn't even used chassis codes. It was Japan who solely used chassis codes to identify cars.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on September 11, 2004, 04:36:32 am
No...but I won't go into it, as I said if you want to debate it PM me.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: firebert on September 11, 2004, 05:19:18 am
I'm pretty sure LE gave up on subbing Initial D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on September 11, 2004, 05:48:05 am
I highly doubt that.  It takes a lot of time to sub episodes and they are going to release two episodes at once.  People that release episodes in under a day after the RAW have large groups that work endlessly through the night, meaning that they have a lot of time on their hands.  Some people have school, jobs and lives outside of subbing episodes for other people.  Cut them some slack. ^^
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Hex on September 11, 2004, 05:48:17 am
I think its more likly they are just quite busy. If you havent knoticed its been a fair few days since their last release of any anime, not just Initial D thats suffering.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: icecold on September 11, 2004, 07:43:58 am
ya going back on the thing about the octane and stuff for gas. here on the west coast(namely cali) we have 87 89 and 91 but we also have racing fuel here that is rated at 103 or 104 i forrgot which but only SOME gas stations carry it.
and ya also about the c33 laurel i understand taht its all about the driver its just for a 4 door car that is pretty heavy drifting like any silvia or skyline is just amazing.
-cold
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: lifesaver on September 11, 2004, 08:09:28 am
dunno if i am allowed to talk about other fansub releases or not, but nanashi has started on episode 5, they do FMA pretty fast, so i would expect IDep5 to come out soon.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xyz on September 11, 2004, 08:13:12 am
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the car has an 11k redline and that  it pulls out 240 bhp but the thing that i want to know is how much torque that badboy is pulling out.
-cold


At 240bhp, at 11000 RPM, Torque can be calculated by the formula T=(30xWatts)/(RPMxPi) - 1Hp = 750W.

240BHP ~ 180000 Watts.

So, that's about 157Nm.

That's not a lot, but if you can get the engine revving that high, you can do other stuff like reduce the diff ratio to get more torque at the wheels.

Remember that normally aspirated also... So don't compare it to a turbo vehicle torque at much lower RPM

xyz.

p.s. I came to this forum to see when the next release of the fansub might be... I was hoping someone may have posted the expected release of Ep 5 & 6. :( I guess I'm not going to find out.  Still, I'll take a moment to thank LE for the great job they are doing :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GilliamII on September 11, 2004, 10:21:06 am
*sigh*

I'm getting this feeling that by the time L-E has 5 & 6 for us people in Japan will be watching 7 & 8.  I think I read somewhere back in these many many pages that they were waiting for people to do "what they promised to do" or something of that nature.  I don't so much care what or why it is, but I do wish that they would at least fill us in on what all is happening with the delay.  I haven't read all 247 previous posts so if it has been said earlier somewhere feel free to point me in the right direction.

Delays I can handle.  I am a patient person but I'd really love some communication from the L-E team on what is happening.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on September 11, 2004, 10:25:42 am
chassis and numbers and letters.
R32, R33, R34.  R35?  G35.  

whats the link between the R- thirty series and the G35 that everyone and their baby's babies seem to own round here?

PS.  This forum is bout initial d and the cars being talked about are considered drift cars so we're not off topic.  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mr._Bunta on September 11, 2004, 11:23:58 am
Im with you GilliamII, I would much rather have some info on the situation instead of sitting here wondering what's going on.


I can't take this for granted though, it is free, they are doing it out of their own will, and I we should be patient as possible.... But if your company is based on customer reputation's and great success I don't think there would be a reason to slack. I do appreciate what they are doing in a big way.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DARCnarc on September 11, 2004, 11:57:32 am
does it seem like to everyone else that for all the otha episodes heaps of different fansubbers released episodes within a couple of days and as soon as they gave up coz every1 was dl'ing live-evil, there was suddenly this drought where its been close to a month and no fansub of even one episode has come out

conspiracy anyone?  -- strangely reminiscent of big business flooding the market with cheap prices, forcin smaller more vulnerable opposition out of the way, then hikin up the prices,  leading to the misery of all
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: scotty305 on September 11, 2004, 12:20:57 pm
what are you hoping to accomplish, DARCnarc?

College classes are more important than fansubbing, I'm glad live-evil realizes this.

-s-
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DARCnarc on September 11, 2004, 12:33:18 pm
missin the point here scotty, its all about liberating the downtrodden, rectifying past mistakes and the sweetness which comes to everyone hearts from watching anime

oh and ps, all u need is lecture notes, goin to the actual "college" is unneccessary.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 11, 2004, 01:39:49 pm
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chassis and numbers and letters.
R32, R33, R34.  R35?  G35.  

whats the link between the R- thirty series and the G35 that everyone and their baby's babies seem to own round here?

PS.  This forum is bout initial d and the cars being talked about are considered drift cars so we're not off topic.  


In Japan Skylines are not only produced in the form of a GT-R or most commonly known here as the R32, 33, and 34...

an example would be the ER34... it is a rear wheel drive Skyline with the same body as a R34... it is also a 5 speed car compared to the 6 on the R34...

Nissan officially ended the era of the strong RB series of engines and cars as soon as the gentlemen's agreement of cars not exceeding 276hp if i remember correctly... was ended... which means the termination of the Skyline GT-R R34...

then in 2002 i believe they released the new heir of the RB series.. the VQ... which is in the Infiniti G35's here in america and in the Skylines in Japan... which really actually is a mix of the 350z and G35 body if i remember right...

the New GT-R is slated to be released in 2007? with the VQ under its belt... it will have atleast 450hp and be mean competitors to Porshes
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GrayGhost on September 11, 2004, 01:40:29 pm
I dont agree with that post... in person a professor can explain things to you in greater detail if you do indeed have questions... skipping class is overrated, especially for a fansub.

PS I'm patiently waiting for an awesome release.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DARCnarc on September 11, 2004, 01:52:36 pm
yeh but how often would u actually go up to a proffessor anyway, + most places have audio online if you really want to listen to it, but I find i learn much more if i just spend 10minutes studying the lecture than having some guy go on raving about stuff that will never be on the exam

i spose i should stop goin on bout this as entirely unrelated to initial d, well if I go into uni I can go to the anime club and watch sum stuff, even if all the ppl stop what they doin and look up at the white boy coming in the room
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Gideon on September 11, 2004, 04:52:25 pm
Man, it´s never gonna come out! Now i starting to go crazy about this. It´s meaningless to ask questions here cuz L-E don´t read the forums, obviously...??!!
I´m going to ask about the progress on the irc channel!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Gideon on September 11, 2004, 04:55:58 pm
Just posted a little something on the irc channel so hopefully someone will read it
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: LonelyDriver on September 11, 2004, 06:57:56 pm
well despite some people ::cough:: Gideon ::cough:: , I actually appreciate the fact that Live Evil is actually doing the subs, because they are just that damn good. So unless you are paying rheir rent you can sit back and wait for the bloody episodes.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Gideon on September 11, 2004, 11:16:02 pm
I do not want to stress L-E to do a early release. As i posted before, it would be good if they just entered here once in a while and tell whats going on. Now we dont hear anything from them. That would be great. And i to appreciate their work. Anyone know when the raws where released?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: sbaf on September 11, 2004, 11:52:32 pm
Could the people holding back Live Evil please get their act together.
I know I shouldn't be complaining, considering I don't pay for this, and it's free.
I know I should be grateful - and I am.
I know some of you have other, more important things to do.
And I know some people in this forum will tell me off.

But seriously.. There are THOUSANDS of people waiting for these episodes to be subtitled so they can watch it, THOUSANDS. Maybe even TENS OF THOUSANDS. Not just the people who download it, but also the friends of the people who download it, who are just as eager to watch them.
By volunteering to subtitle these episodes I think some of you should remember that you now have a responsibility which you really need to attend to. If you can't do so, then perhaps you should have someone else take your place in this Fan-Sub group, because this really will just give Live-Evil a bad name.

I hope I haven’t pissed anyone off. Like many of you, I’ve been regularly refreshing sites on an hourly basis, and I’ve been checking this forum thread 3 or 4 times a day. Basically, if L-E does not subtitle it soon, then I will continue to wait for them to subtitle it.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: radagast on September 12, 2004, 12:02:33 am
I don't understand why a different fan-sub group couldn't sub it themselves. Is Initial-D exclusive to Live-Evil?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on September 12, 2004, 01:36:46 am
I read the forums practically everyday so live-evil people do read them.

Asking on IRC only slows things down since it annoys the few people that are working on it.

All of the people working on the project want to get it out as quick as they can, this time things have been slower.

Having only a very limited role in ID4 I can't accurately say anymore.  

I'm sure it'll be out sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Gideon on September 12, 2004, 03:20:18 am
Ok... somehow i got a little calmer, hoping for it soon!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Evolution on September 12, 2004, 04:12:53 am
How much would it cost to import a Lan Evo 5 to Australia?
I think it gets painful because 4wd drives have to be a certain age or something before they can be imported here these days :(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrEVOIII on September 12, 2004, 04:58:58 am
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I don't understand why a different fan-sub group couldn't sub it themselves. Is Initial-D exclusive to Live-Evil?


OMG I agree with you.  Initial D Fourth Stage is a really big and highly anticipated anime.  I dont really understand why there arent other groups subbing it.  And Live-Evil should have Initial D episodes as their top priority because if you guys take a look at their tracker, Initial D episodes are still full of seeds to this very day, heck, they have the most seeds and DLers of any other anime that are up.

Since the fourth stage DVD from HK has already came out, why dont you guys juss rip it now?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on September 12, 2004, 05:40:42 am
We're not posting updates since there's not exactly a lot to post. "We're working on it." isn't all that much to say, you know?

I leave the country for my study abroad trip to Japan on Tuesday. With luck, I'll be able to do so with this particular burden no longer on my mind. No promises.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: firebert on September 12, 2004, 08:27:39 am
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OMG I agree with you.  Initial D Fourth Stage is a really big and highly anticipated anime.  I dont really understand why there arent other groups subbing it.  And Live-Evil should have Initial D episodes as their top priority because if you guys take a look at their tracker, Initial D episodes are still full of seeds to this very day, heck, they have the most seeds and DLers of any other anime that are up.

Since the fourth stage DVD from HK has already came out, why dont you guys juss rip it now?



indeed, alot of the people who watch initial D arn't even into anime (car guys).. incld me, only anime I watch is ID and I dont have any plans to dlin any others..

But I have taken a liking to yugioh.. thats on the WB so sall good. I also watch that one with the yellow gerble once in a while when i have nothing better to do.. ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: SiL-080 on September 12, 2004, 09:58:05 am
i do remember someone from live-evil once saying to not ask about release dates, i could be wrong, but if im not all of you stfu about the release. all you release dater's are getting anoying, if you have something to write about say it if not dont post.

i would like to know if its expensive to import cars like the sil-080 or an s13. and if anyone here is from canada :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DARCnarc on September 12, 2004, 11:53:25 am
pfft, canadians...... just joshin, u guys are k, not like u american or anything.  lol

*spoiler*
hey anyone know whereabouts in the series bunta is sposed to be going head to head with his son
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 12, 2004, 12:02:27 pm
to start off... guys... stop asking the live-evil guys to give you updates... they don't owe u a damn thing...  y do they have to give you updates? y do you feel that you're entitled to an update? ur not... the only thing you need to know is whether the series is dropped or not so you could get on with ur lives... other then that... chill and wait...

ok for the people asking about import's... for Canada its a 15 year limit for importing cars meaning the cars have to be atleast 15 years old to be imported or you cannot import it into the country besides cars from the US... with that said... you could possibly import an s13 and not a sil-80... sil-80's are rare anyways so its almost impossible to find one in the first place =X

as for fees... ok lets put it this way... for a R32 its $16000 just to make the car legal to drive in the states... that doesn't include shipping/price of the car yet... now granted the R32 is an expensive sports car... but still it should be around $10k to legalize an imported car from Japan...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on September 12, 2004, 03:00:44 pm
It's more like 25K to street legal an r32 and motorex is the only company that does it. anyone selling a u.s. street legal r32 got it from motorex. and to be plain, Skyline are the new porsche -  hyped a lot, honestly good but not without it's better's. Take RC Developments 930hp EvoVI, or even a boosted B22 Subie is comparable. Skyline's are overrated. and definitely overpriced,.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: NullZero on September 12, 2004, 04:38:19 pm
Alright, I am new here but I can not pass up good car talk (since I am a chronic gear head). And I saw some things posted recently trolling the boards that I thought I would clear up.

First off is a Nissan engine series clarification. The V* Series engine is now a 20 year old design that Nissan loves and keeps regularly updated, first appearing in the 4th generation Z car in 1984. This was the first Z to utilize a V style 6 cylinder layout opposed to the traditional linear six used in the previous models (240, 260, and 280). The first incarnation is the base VG30. The VQ30 was later added however I do not believe it ever rested in a Z car.

The important changes is the timing method. VG series (84-96 300ZX, and if you must know the exact engine models in that line it is the VG30, VG30D, VG30E, VG30DE, VG30DET, VG30DETT) is belt driven SOHC (1 cam per head). The VQ variant was added as the Maxima engine. These are the VQ30DE. The difference between the VQ and VG is that instead of using belts, it uses chains. There is also some minor eletronic differences in the ignition if I am not mistaken.

The VG and VQ lines are all pretty much the same. There are also VG33** out there as well. This was the Frontiers engine and I am sure used in other models of truck and SUVs since Nissan loves that VG/VQseries. The new 350Z uses another more modern VQ. The only real differences is the bore, stroke, and the funky intake manifold they came up with. If I am not mistaken this is the VQ35. My more recent Nissan knowledge is more limited since I sold off my Z and went back to old school Mopar muscle for a while.

Next, the Sileighty. Getting a factory original Sileighty is almost like winning the lotto. Nissan started making them because tuners were making them themselve and it became a very popular car. The easiest way to get a Sileighty is to make it yourself since this is how they were made before Nissan ever made them. For US/Canada builders, take the 240SX fastback and add a S13 front end. Really isn't a lot of work to it. However, if you want to add some spice, there is a company in Florida that sells RB25DETT (R33 GTR and back) conversion kits (engine and everything else you need) ranging from around $11,000 USD to a more performance oriented kit just under $14,000 USD complete and available for all 240SXs. I am sure if you looked around the net or went to some decent tuner shops you could get your hands on a set of Sileighty badges as well.

If I still had the site for the RB swap I would post it, if anyone wants it just ask and I will get it off a person who I know still has it.

As for the R35 GTR. The only rumors that I have heard not stated here is that it will be the first GTR sold state side and the concept debuted was a North American legal car. Same as the 350Z debut. I was kinda hoping for a V8 in them myself. That M45 engine is niiiiiicceee.

Anyways, theres my rambelings about cars for now.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on September 12, 2004, 10:51:07 pm
to the people who were asking about importing into canada, well there is not much u have to do, I went to the nearest MTO(motortransportionOffice), and asked the expert what I have to do to import the skyline, as long as they are 15 years old to the month u register them, they should be fine, the strick bumper rule does not apply to these vehicles (thats why the evo7or8 is not allowed), just think as if they were a 89 civic,cav,camry and u get the idea.
Unlike america, were they DO allow new vehicles in the states, however they prove costly, since the windshield has to be changed, and a DOT device installed and the speedometer changed to MPH(not hard to do),and a bunch of other stuff I wont get into. however america has the same law as Canada, but the only difference is the car has to be 25 years and older. so that leaves only the Prince Skyline if u dont want to go to Motorex. u guys should really study Transportation Law if are into tuning and importing, it will really help u when the cops are harrasing u for exhaust. Here in Toronto, we have lax tuning laws, and as long as u show papers in court or hire a legal assisstant, u can pretty much win any ticket, as long as the said conversion,products pose a safety risk or are outlawed(NOS). oh and as long as ur not speeding,racing.
sry for the long post
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 13, 2004, 06:58:11 am
lol for exhaust all you really need is to keep the db's low and if u live in a carb state have a cat... thats all =p there aren't many laws in the US regarding tuning atleast that i know of... well... considering that i live in cali... we dont' have much of a choice... we only buy carb legal products... and that keeps us from cop harrasment... since all we need to do is show them the sticker... and they'll be off my case for about a month...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on September 13, 2004, 08:58:54 am
The next GT-R will not be an R35.  Unfortunately the R chassis is dead. :(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: RacingManiac on September 13, 2004, 10:30:59 am
btw, there are more difference between VG and VQ(as one was designed to replace another). VG were cast iron block while VQ are all aluminum. VQ are all oversquare engine, as in they have larger bore than stroke, aiding the engine response characteristic, VQ also were all throttle by wire. Also a key dimentional and design difference is that VG is 90 degree V angle, while VQ is 60, the main reason for the narrower angle is to allow the easy application of mounting it both transversely for FWD application(a la Altima, Maxima...etc), and mount it longitudinally(a la Inifiniti G35, 350Z...etc). VQ are available(including JDM spec) in VQ20, VQ25, VQ30, VQ35, in DE(35 and older 20 and 30), DD(the direct injection, in 25 and 30) and DET(in 30) form. While currently in JGTC, the Nissan Z GTR in the GT500 class in 2004, and the last Skyline GTR GT500 in 2003 were powered by a VQ30DETT race motor....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Victor_Vance on September 13, 2004, 11:13:18 am
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The next GT-R will not be an R35.  Unfortunately the R chassis is dead. :(

Well at least with the V chasis you can buy new Skylines or Fairlady Z's with warranty and everything out the door, plus I never liked the R's anyway, except the R30 and R31. I think the V35 looks nicer and more 'grown up' than the R34. And if you want ATESSA AWD, you can get it on the automatic sedan. Better than nothing. But the Skyline has moved up a notch on the luxury ladder anyways, the Z is the way to go. Same chasis, more powerful engine, lighter, and cheaper.

BTW chances are the next GT-R will be the V36... and unfortunately, since our Skyline's an Infiniti, we probably won't get it :(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on September 13, 2004, 12:08:04 pm
Wow you are the first person I've met that hasn't liked the R34.  I saw my first one in person a couple weeks ago, it was a thing of beauty.  Gun metal grey and absolutely mean looking.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on September 13, 2004, 01:18:39 pm
damn had been spending money on initial-d hehehe arcade machine damn it man its too fun heh ^_- wishes for the episodes to be out Live-Evil Jia You ( meaning keep it up ) keke
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: lostbaka on September 13, 2004, 02:23:49 pm
I know what you mean about arcade stage.  I've gotten to the point where I'm seriously looking at getting the PS2 Japanese game, Initial D: Special Stage.  Initial D has gotten me to research my Corolla wagon (Long live the 4AFE).  I wish I had the dough to drop in a 4AGZE engine, I wish even more I had the money for Skyline GT-R (R32-R34).
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 13, 2004, 02:43:28 pm
heh really i dont' like the R34 either... dunno why but i guess i have the same feeling about GTR's as Keisuke does... only i liked the R32 though =p
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GreatDriverMiles on September 13, 2004, 02:54:13 pm
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The next GT-R will not be an R35.  Unfortunately the R chassis is dead. :(


Actually nissan plans to bring back the GTR model of the Skyline in 2007 and sell it world wide.
http://www.freshalloy.com/site/cars/nissan/skyline/r35/concept/home.shtml Right now we will have to go with the GT350 (G35 coupe)

BTW Except for the engine the G35 and the 350Z are completly different cars. Look at them side by side sometime.
http://www.downtownfinecars.com/DFCInfiniti/Images/Wallpaper/Wallpaper-2004-G35-Coupe-800x600.jpg
http://weisusu.typepad.com/weisusu/350z.jpg
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: RacingManiac on September 13, 2004, 09:26:27 pm
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BTW Except for the engine the G35 and the 350Z are completly different cars. Look at them side by side sometime.



Same engine, and same platform, which means shares the basic packaging layout, suspension points a so on. 350Z's platform is slightly modified in the sense that they shorten the wheelbase to make the car more responsive, and the fact that the car does not need a back seat...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: ITR on September 14, 2004, 05:26:56 am
Men....I can't wait any longer....I'm on my knees...

PLEEEASE guys, sub Inisharu Diiiii!!!!!!!!!


[smiley=atsuko.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 14, 2004, 07:14:40 am
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Men....I can't wait any longer....I'm on my knees...

PLEEEASE guys, sub Inisharu Diiiii!!!!!!!!!


[smiley=atsuko.gif]



[smiley=lorilll.gif] haha i just wanted to use this smile... thought this was the perfect timing  [smiley=benjiman.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 14, 2004, 12:36:42 pm
me!!! me me me me me me me me me!!!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on September 14, 2004, 12:43:38 pm
How many people will be online this winter, battling on the tracks in gran turismo 4?  

teams and rivalries...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on September 14, 2004, 04:16:33 pm
GAmbate !
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on September 14, 2004, 06:27:02 pm
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Actually nissan plans to bring back the GTR model of the Skyline in 2007 and sell it world wide.
http://www.freshalloy.com/site/cars/nissan/skyline/r35/concept/home.shtml Right now we will have to go with the GT350 (G35 coupe)

BTW Except for the engine the G35 and the 350Z are completly different cars. Look at them side by side sometime.
http://www.downtownfinecars.com/DFCInfiniti/Images/Wallpaper/Wallpaper-2004-G35-Coupe-800x600.jpg
http://weisusu.typepad.com/weisusu/350z.jpg


I never said they wouldn't, it still won't be an R35 though. :P  A lot is up in the air about it, how it looks, what engine it will have, when it will come out, etc.  Those pictures you posted have been around for a long time and still are very much unofficial despite how professional they look.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: lifesaver on September 14, 2004, 07:35:57 pm
initial d: special stage is pretty fun, there is a story mode and a free mode, haven't played story mode all that much, but free mode u just race pretty much everyone that takumi has raced in order i guess, either way, it's a must get game
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Silvia13 on September 15, 2004, 07:39:40 am
first off the next skyline is out it is a sedan version in the us it is actually a lexus but thats not what we are concerned about the next skyline the R-35 2008 model will have an GT-R its like the integra sedan and a type-R if they dont use the R chasis on the 08 sky then they will use a totally new chasis because the Skyline Silvias and Sentras or Fairlady Z all have different chasis in them each one unique to the cars type the concept drawings and pictures all have the GT-R logo on them so the new sky will probably have an r chasis the Sil-Eighty however  is called the nissan Onevia the official name from nissan it is an S-13 front and chasis and a 180sx back end with a sr20det engine in it
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on September 15, 2004, 09:34:30 am
^  You sir, are a n00b

the US will most likely recieve the new skyline as an infiniti, and not a lexus.  Lexus is Americas luxury Toyota brand.
It probably will not be an R-chassis car because Nissan has moved on from the RB26DETT engines to the VQ30DETT as seen in their JGTC cars.  it will most likely be a V35 GT-R.

Silvia chassis codes are as follows
S13, RPS13, S14, S15  (these run the SR series engines, eg SR20DET)

Skyline chassis codes from 1989
BNR32, BCNR33 BNR34  (these runthe RB series engine, eg RB26DETT)

Fairlady Z chassis codes
Z31, Z32, Z33

The Sil80 and 1via are totally different
Sil80 is a Siliva front and 180sx back.  these were sold by nissan for a limited time
1via is a 180sx front and Silvia back.  these were never sold by nissan.

Also, please use full stops in your post as i have no idea where ur sentences start or finish.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: kazuo on September 15, 2004, 12:42:47 pm
Lots of misinformation here.

- Sileighties were never produced by Nissan. NEVER. They were made by a Japanese tuning shop called KID'S HEART. Very few exist.

- Hachi roku means eight six in Japanese, which refers to the chassis code, which is AE86. Translating it to "86" or "eight six" or "eightysix" is fine.

- The Blue Skyline was a GTS-t. NOT a GT-R.

- As far as the eightsix not being able to beat a Miata... well, doesnt matter which car is "better," what matters is the person behind the wheel. Both cars are good and have advantages but in the end the driver will make the difference.

- In regards to the Miata's power... did anyone else notice that HE WAS RUNNING ITBs? :P

- To the guys that saw S14 "Silvia's"... they were either rebadged 240SX's, unless they were RHD.

And RHD swaps are NOT easy, you need to do a LOT of work or chop & weld the front half of the car... which is not recommended.

- It costs around $20k to legalize a Skyline for USA street use, assuming you bring it yourself. To buy one from MotoRex or RB Motoring it will run you anywhere from $40k-$100k+, depending on model, year, mileage, mods, etc.

- The next Skyline "GT-R" will be released in the USA under the "Infiniti" brand.

Someone sub Fourth Stage!!!  :o
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 15, 2004, 01:06:25 pm
1) the new "GT-R" will be released in the US and its no hoax... there have been reports from Nissan

2) Sil-Eighties were in fact in production AFTER people had made them with body conversions... one-via's and fifteen-eighties were not ever factory produced... there were only 400 produced by Nissan themselves...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on September 15, 2004, 01:34:51 pm
"...in Japan people kept smashing the front ends of their 180SXs when they were drifting... into mountains or whatever. simply put, the S13 Silvia front end was cheaper than a 180SX front so they put the Silvia fronts on as a temporary fix. this caused a craze in Japan and it was basically the look in Japan for young people. Nissan had been observing that many of their 180's have been going around with Silvia fronts, and (for an unknown reason) they built a hybrid and released it in 1994. this hybrid was known as the "SIL-EIGHTY", which is exterior-wise just a PS13 with an S13 front end. changes went further though, with changes to camshafts and the ECU, which gave roughly 16~18Kw more (not sure about how much more torque) than both the Silvia and 180SX. also, the suspension was tweaked for drifting purposes. Genuine Sil-eighty's are snap-tail happy, given too much power thru a corner will result in a drift, maybe a spin if you try too hard... Nissan only made about 400 genuine and documented examples, just about all were snapped up upon their release. now at auctions they apparently go for as much as immaculate R32 skyline GT-Rs"

source http://www.200sx.org/index2.html
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: EmperorX on September 16, 2004, 08:57:17 am
if you do create a sil80 what do u have to register it as, a 180 or silvia
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on September 16, 2004, 02:51:22 pm
as the base car.  most often as a 180sx because sil80s are ususally 180sx with a silvia front cut.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 16, 2004, 04:34:37 pm
heh does it matter? they're still one in the same type of car... a sports car...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on September 16, 2004, 05:06:34 pm
All this anxious waiting for 5&6 is giving me blue ball, I can hardly walk............. AAHHAAHHAAHH, Live-Evil relieve the pain, I'm going bald ............ AUGHAUGH I'm beggin man I know it's free and it's you guys doing a solid for me and those like me, but I'm freak'n out here man, I watched the Raw's, I don't speak a word of japanese but I was desperate, I feel pathetic now, :(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on September 17, 2004, 12:27:06 am
If you watched the raws then you'll know just how ep6 ended >:(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: NullZero on September 17, 2004, 01:56:29 am
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Lots of misinformation here.

- Sileighties were never produced by Nissan. NEVER. They were made by a Japanese tuning shop called KID'S HEART. Very few exist.


Don't go berating till you got your facts straight kazuo.

Straight from a fastfoursvip.com article:

Using the Silvia front body work onto the front of the 180sx, this was known as the ‘Sileighty’. Nissan also caught onto this trend by selling an official version of the Sileighty in 1991 that included a 20hp increase over previous models.

The addy of the article is http://www.fastfoursvip.com/articles_article.aspx?view=276 .

And who cares what beats what. As long as you have fun and don't kill yourself it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Evoluti0n on September 17, 2004, 02:42:29 am
hook it up with the RAWS :o
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 17, 2004, 05:13:41 am
find it ur self... if we could... so can you!  [smiley=antp.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on September 17, 2004, 05:49:18 am
Well no duh, I can guess how every other episode from here to the end of time will end, Takumi will win a race, I mean the dialogue and stuff. Now Chai You seem to lack the community spirit. Here we are waiting around for someone to give us something for free, and you don't want to share a RAW's address. Wow sounds like you need a nap. EvolutiOn... just poke around here for a bit and you'l find'm ... http://www.geocities.com/go2initiald/main.html
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drewb99 on September 17, 2004, 07:23:00 am
Dumb technical point, but the Onevia was built by Nissan in the form of the 240SX Notchback.  Silva body, 180SX front, but the American market KA24DE.

And staying ontopic, WHERE'S ME SUBTITLES?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Evoluti0n on September 17, 2004, 08:40:52 am
Usagi_Yojimbo thanks for the help! really appreciate it.
chAi, good job on making yourself look like an ass. :o
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: azndvl on September 17, 2004, 08:46:25 am
i thought takumi loses the rave against the EK9 witht he carbon fibre bonet? anyone know :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on September 17, 2004, 11:05:57 am
Why would you post such an obvious spoiler?  Not everyone here  is as impatient enough to watch the raws.  I have them but only watched part of 5.  Oh and episode 6 is done.  but by someone else.  im not watching it till i see 5 though.  Ryousuke Takahashi and Bunta are the most interesting character to listen to.  I gotta know what they were saying.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 17, 2004, 11:15:45 am
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Now Chai You seem to lack the community spirit. Here we are waiting around for someone to give us something for free, and you don't want to share a RAW's address. Wow sounds like you need a nap.


no... i'd gladly share the raw's address problem is this guy didn't even try... didn't even lift a finger muscle... to look for it himself... if the poor guy came to the forum and said specifically what he tried to do to get his hands on something and still couldn't get it... i'd gladly help him... this my friends is a dirty dirty leecher...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on September 17, 2004, 01:26:32 pm
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Why would you post such an obvious spoiler?  Not everyone here  is as impatient enough to watch the raws.  I have them but only watched part of 5.  Oh and episode 6 is done.  but by someone else.  im not watching it till i see 5 though.  Ryousuke Takahashi and Bunta are the most interesting character to listen to.  I gotta know what they were saying.


which fansub has already subbed ep 6?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: firebert on September 17, 2004, 01:41:29 pm
i wonder if they dropped the project
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Evoluti0n on September 17, 2004, 02:58:18 pm
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the chinese fansub is at a chinese bt server. the link is ok........ or you can try to connect this link. they are the same.

http://bt.btchina.net/
http://bt1.btchina.net/
http://bt2.btchina.net/
http://bt3.btchina.net/
http://nycz.btchina.net/

this server/host are extremely slow to load... i dunno why..... all i know is that there are lots... i mean lots! of movies, series, cartoon, game show, games.....etc (eng/chi).

possible that's the reason.


I have looked my friend! sorry i dont have the cool searching skills as you chAi
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on September 17, 2004, 06:02:46 pm
Hey Evolution, I tried your links and they work but I can't navigate the site because I can't read the damn thing how about a more specific link or maybe some way to translate??
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on September 17, 2004, 07:06:03 pm
i THINK it's 10th and/or 11th on this page....i simply did a search and used my limited chinese skills....

i think you're better off with the 11th one tho, cuz i think it says chinese subtitle.....no guarantees tho.

http://search3.btchina.net/btsearch.php?query=initial+d&type=0

Or by time/date in the first column
08-25 12:22 <---10th
08-25 13:55 <---11th

hope someone with reliable chinese skills can confirm this
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Evoluti0n on September 17, 2004, 09:18:10 pm
Quote
Well no duh, I can guess how every other episode from here to the end of time will end, Takumi will win a race, I mean the dialogue and stuff. Now Chai You seem to lack the community spirit. Here we are waiting around for someone to give us something for free, and you don't want to share a RAW's address. Wow sounds like you need a nap. EvolutiOn... just poke around here for a bit and you'l find'm ... http://www.geocities.com/go2initiald/main.html




use that link above to download the 5 and 6 raw.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 17, 2004, 11:10:15 pm
1) see now if u woulda said that earlier instead of "Hook it up with teh raws" i woulda helped... but u didn't

2) google is your friend

3) babelfish is also your friend
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: SiL-080 on September 18, 2004, 12:29:37 am
i found ep 5-6 on www.suprnova.org i dont know if the subs are good yet, but at least its better then nothing. :) im sure ill still watch the live-evil subbed ones for a better understanding. this will simply tide me over :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: debchan on September 18, 2004, 02:29:54 am
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i found ep 5-6 on www.suprnova.org i dont know if the subs are good yet


The subber for episode 5 knows no Japanese at all and based his/her sub on the translated mangas, obviously guessing what dialogue might go where.  There were obvious mistakes.  The release of episode 6 has whole chunks of dialogue missing and also, IIRC, had mistakes.  But, as you say, better than nothing.  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 18, 2004, 02:34:59 am
beggars can't be choosers =/
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: firebert on September 18, 2004, 02:51:14 am
alright! our prayers has been answered!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on September 18, 2004, 03:27:45 am
With the spoiler given by azndvl, the excitement of watching the race is already ruined anyway, so might as well download these half-baked translations. Thanks for the info SiL-080.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Evoluti0n on September 18, 2004, 04:34:58 am
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With the spoiler given by azndvl, the excitement of watching the race is already ruined anyway, so might as well download these half-baked translations. Thanks for the info SiL-080.


is anyone having trouble downloading ep 6 from
suprnova.org?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on September 18, 2004, 04:49:23 am
that site is not displaying the list of torrent links at the moment. Try again later.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: SiL-080 on September 18, 2004, 05:04:04 am
like i said debchan i didnt know if they were good or not, just that they were there :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: kazuo on September 18, 2004, 10:33:27 am
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=25983

You might need to register to view the link..

Anyway, the proof is in the pudding.

Kid's Heart, not Nissan.

Quote


Don't go berating till you got your facts straight kazuo.

Straight from a fastfoursvip.com article:

Using the Silvia front body work onto the front of the 180sx, this was known as the ‘Sileighty’. Nissan also caught onto this trend by selling an official version of the Sileighty in 1991 that included a 20hp increase over previous models.

The addy of the article is http://www.fastfoursvip.com/articles_article.aspx?view=276 .

And who cares what beats what. As long as you have fun and don't kill yourself it doesn't matter.

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: firebert on September 18, 2004, 11:08:12 am
look like we can make do without LE!!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on September 18, 2004, 11:36:50 am
But I gurantee that LE's subs are going to be like 1000 times better.  It is so incredibly rude to post a link to another groups torrents on LE's site. ><

I know it has been a while, but still...

All of this complaining is going to discourage them and make them not want to sub the series for us, that's right, us.  They aren't doing it for themselves people, they already know Japanese.  Settle down and let them take their time. :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: lifesaver on September 18, 2004, 11:58:59 am
haha, how is that even considered a spoiler since it doesn't even happen that way
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: crazysmoke on September 18, 2004, 01:37:59 pm
man i finally saw the eps with subs! now i  need to see them with correct subs.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 18, 2004, 03:59:32 pm
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http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=25983

You might need to register to view the link..

Anyway, the proof is in the pudding.

Kid's Heart, not Nissan.




Kazuo we're not saying Nissan was the original nor the only maker of the Sil80... we're saying Nissan did in fact produce a few Sil80's from their factories... 400 to be exact... maybe a little more from private buyers =p

yes Kid's Heart did sell Sil80's but so did Nissan =p
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on September 18, 2004, 10:44:27 pm
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man i finally saw the eps with subs! now i  need to see them with correct subs.


I thought the subs were well done. I can understand all the strategies, and I didn't notice any chunks of unsubbed dialogue. They did a more than decent job.

Anyone that has trouble viewing the subtitles of eps 6 should refer to this thread.

http://www.thewirdsdomain.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=63
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrEVOIII on September 19, 2004, 06:51:47 am
I have found subs for frouth stage episodes 5 and 6

its subbed by a group called tremek.  The quality is good but not dvd quality good.  The only problem is that the video has "interlaced" frames.  And the subs are pretty good.

http://isohunt.com/latest.php?mode=bt


P.S. Whats happening to you guys Live Evil??!!!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: firebert on September 19, 2004, 11:05:53 am
alright.. we dont need LE anymore!

Thank buddah that we dont have to rely on them! Who knows how much longer they would take.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on September 19, 2004, 11:49:12 am
Thanx DrEVOIII watched the subbed eps and atleast I know what all the dialogue was, Let's not go dissin L-E though, There subs are exponentially better than anyone else's the translation wasn't that great on tremek's and the timing was horrible different characters dialogue's running together and splitting sentences
in the middle just ruined the context. Anyway still waiting Live-Evil sure would appreciate an update but I understand you've got other obligations
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: makakazo on September 19, 2004, 06:13:41 pm
Hi. I'm preparing my first release ever, Initial D 4th Stage Act 1 with Spanish subs. I've done all the job myself but i'm having a lot of trouble with the encoding. After reading all the stuff i've found about xvid and talking to some spanish subbers i have got bad results. I keep trying new settings and testing all the time, but my computer is not very fast and it's just wasting time cause i won't get it.

The main problem i'm having is not having a smooth motion of the cars when racing. The L-E-IDE releases are awesome. I don't expect to get such fine results, but the races are the main part in Initial D so there's no point in releasing it that way.

I'm not too familiar with encoding, but a litlle help such as the main settings i should use for xvid to do a good job with moving objects, and/or appropiate filters to use would be highly appreciated.

I'm using:
VirtualDubMod
XviD-1.0-05042004 _Release Candidate 4 (i think)

Greets from Spain.  I can't wait for 5 & 6!!! :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: debchan on September 19, 2004, 07:40:39 pm
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alright.. we dont need LE anymore!

Thank buddah that we dont have to rely on them! Who knows how much longer they would take.


If you honestly feel that way, why are you here in their forum?  I'm sorry if this comes off as rude, but it's fans like you that make people who provide stuff for free stop providing.  

This attitude of entitlement just boggles me.  You're not paying L-E to provide a service.  No one owes you a free fansub.  You are not automatically entitled to get what you want, when you want it.  Unless you've ever provided something on the internet, you have no idea what a thankless job it is.  People grab your product (screen captures, vids, scanlations, subs, whatever), use and abuse your bandwidth, and do they ever say thank you?  Rarely.  More often they complain, whine, bitch and moan that you're either not providing new stuff fast enough, that the quality sucks, or that you're not providing the content they want.   It's a wonder to me that any group bothers to stick around and still provide after a few months of this crap.  

I'm sure everyone here is eagerly waiting for the L-E subs to drop.  I know I am.  However, it's clear that something is holding the project in check.  I don't know what, and I don't care.  L-E will release when they are ready.   I would rather wait for quality, especially since I watch the episodes more than once.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Gideon on September 19, 2004, 10:43:54 pm
Man it really takes long. I was away this weekend and i did really think that it should be out by now. Whats the problem guys. Is it private life or the eps that are hard to translate. Cause private life i can understand, its important.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Paraviper on September 19, 2004, 10:56:27 pm
Hi, i'm new here but i would like to know if someone knows where you can find the music ? or the names of the music
thnx
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Bukkake-Kun on September 20, 2004, 12:18:38 am
for the names:
http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/initiald/

to download:
http://emule-project.net/
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Red_Suns_FC3S on September 20, 2004, 12:21:56 am
An Album is out sometime soon. As for songs... I know one can be found on the JGTC cd... anyway... I've seen 6. And I've more than been patient and continue to wait for another stellar release from you guys. If you could share with us an update that would be great, if not I totally understand that perhaps you guys have your hands tied right now. The true L-E sub fans will wait it out for your hard and free** work.

Thanks so much again,

- Slade
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on September 20, 2004, 01:46:50 am
For those  of you who venture over our IRC channel  you would have noticed the recent change of topic.  If people keep complaining we'll just lock the topic, or maybe someone will get annoyed enough to drop the project.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 20, 2004, 03:45:34 am
As for Music for Initial D, I found 21 albums that cover the first two seasons as well as the movie and battle stage.  Thus I only lack the fourth stage currently.  If you are interested you should check out www.suprnova.org for it.  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: fisher on September 20, 2004, 03:57:39 am

Hello Spymon,

I dont know what to think of your words.

L-E always said that they would like more people to sub anime.Look at the condor hero topic people where always complaining.Now somebody or groups have started to sub anime because they wanted to do something with there favorite anime.

I am still waiting for L-E  release of epp 5 and 6, even if i have to wait more time.

Can you not understand that people get a strange feeling when a group has not released anything in a few months?

I normaly would have not said anything, but thx to L-E and some other groups,Anime is finaly a word that western people understand.

I hope to see many new titles in the future by L-E or other groups.But never forget we animators are also watching your forums.

Thx for reading my advice..
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on September 20, 2004, 04:23:49 am
well the answer could be soon . (well very soon or in one week )
so join our chan to stay tuned .



(well maybe i'm just kinding but who knows ...  [smiley=coch.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: kimbo on September 20, 2004, 07:03:04 am
Hi all i am also new here..

i love what L-E been doing.. i always appreicate quality more then anything else..

my friend told me that 5 and 6 were very good... so i couldn't wait and downloaded it from another site.. man you guys.. ep6 is sooooooooo gooodddddddd...  :o

so good i just watched the ep like 4 times in a row. right after each other...

i will still get L - E version because i know for a fact they will translate it 100X better..

Thanks for the great work L - E.. i will be waiting for it.. LOL and probally hundereds of others..

-Jason
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 20, 2004, 08:07:50 am
I have episode 5, and I keep trying to not open it because I really want to have the L - E version because I have loved all their subs above and beyond other groups so far.  I have all the Detective Academy Q episodes from here and I only get new ones from here because other groups have slightly different versions, which don't follow the characters the same way.  

Thank you L - E for your hard work, I can not translate worth anything, but I help anyway I know how to.  Like leaving my torrent open for at least 2 times more than I download.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: firebert on September 20, 2004, 08:45:52 am
anyone know the name of that song on eps6? that music was pretty tite!

also damn that was some luck how takumi won wasnt it? cant wait till 7&8
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: kimbo on September 20, 2004, 09:54:01 am
haha i am too also trying to find that song.. been looking for the past couple of hours...  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 20, 2004, 10:04:38 am
I'm still trying not to spoil myself watching 6 before L-E puts it out with wonderful subs.  But I'm hearing so much good info about it I'm dying here!  what are a few of the words to the song you are wanting?  I might have it somewhere in my anime music junk drawer.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: kimbo on September 20, 2004, 10:10:23 am
up beat song kind trancy kinda ravy..

"Forever together"
"Forever love will find"
"Come on baby light my fire, ready for the show"
"Now i feel your love desire"
"all I need is you"

something like that,  those are some of the lyrics

Thanks
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 20, 2004, 10:43:17 am
I dug around and I don't have that yet.  If I come up with it I'll make sure to post here and let you know kimbo.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrEVOIII on September 20, 2004, 10:57:23 am
Im posting this again, I know some of you people dont like to bother reading through the whole topic and only reading about people whining for L-E subs.  Here are subs for episode 5 & 6 from a group called Tremek.  

http://isohunt.com/latest.php?mode=bt

In another forums called http://idforums.net someone there is also currently making subs for it.  

===DrEVOIII representing IDW Forums (idforums.net)===

ADDED: If you goto the forums that I linked for you guys, you guys can also find all Initial D songs if you post in the Music section of the forums.  There are members there like myself who is willing to help you guys out. (Note: You must register and become a member in order to view the Music part of the forums)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 20, 2004, 11:23:08 am
I found a link to the CD that will be coming out with the sound track for this season.  It is not due out till the 29th of this month. It should have 27 songs from this season on it which means it will have songs from episodes not  broadcast yet.

Anyways here is the link:
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=AVCA-22088
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: kimbo on September 20, 2004, 12:38:39 pm
Ok so a friend told me the title of the song and artist

"Symbol - Forever Young"

going to try to find it tomorrow.. need sleep got work tomorrow morning  :o
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: firebert on September 20, 2004, 01:21:27 pm
i have it thanks to the guys at idfourms.com!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 20, 2004, 06:34:20 pm
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Im posting this again, I know some of you people dont like to bother reading through the whole topic and only reading about people whining for L-E subs.  Here are subs for episode 5 & 6 from a group called Tremek.  

http://isohunt.com/latest.php?mode=bt

In another forums called http://idforums.net someone there is also currently making subs for it.  

===DrEVOIII representing IDW Forums (idforums.net)===

ADDED: If you goto the forums that I linked for you guys, you guys can also find all Initial D songs if you post in the Music section of the forums.  There are members there like myself who is willing to help you guys out. (Note: You must register and become a member in order to view the Music part of the forums)


[smiley=lorilll.gif] o man... you really take the cake... 2 large blows on LE with one post... one you post a link to other persons/groups subs... then u post another forum's link... i could probably let the forum link since its there to help with music... but really now... linking to another group's subs?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 20, 2004, 08:01:31 pm
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Ok so a friend told me the title of the song and artist

"Symbol - Forever Young"

going to try to find it tomorrow.. need sleep got work tomorrow morning  :o



:D rock on.  I know I do not have that, but I'll let you know as soon as I find it.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on September 20, 2004, 11:59:03 pm
Please don't drop the project. :(  Just know that you guys have lots of fans out there and the ones being bastards are the minority of them.  MOST of us appreciate what you are doing and are patiently waiting the release.  I wish there were some way we could help though.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 21, 2004, 01:46:28 am
Viva la L-E Initial D.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: loafmaster on September 21, 2004, 04:56:21 am
hello, im new here and i would like to know where do you guys get initial d music?  such as symbol - forever young and that other song in episode 6.  is there an FTP site? or do u guys use winmx or something like that. please help me out i really want to get these songs!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Red_Suns_FC3S on September 21, 2004, 05:24:32 am
Im posting this again, I know some of you people dont like to bother reading through the whole topic and only reading about people whining for L-E subs.  Here are subs for episode 5 & 6 from a group called Tremek.  

http://isohunt.com/latest.php?mode=bt  

In another forums called http://idforums.net someone there is also currently making subs for it.  

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ADDED: If you goto the forums that I linked for you guys, you guys can also find all Initial D songs if you post in the Music section of the forums.  There are members there like myself who is willing to help you guys out. (Note: You must register and become a member in order to view the Music part of the forums)  
« Last Edit: 12:03am Yesterday by DrEVOIII »



pays to read back a few pages.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: thewird on September 21, 2004, 07:18:13 am
Also I have subbed episodes 5 and 6 and you can find the link at http://www.thewirdsdomain.com .  These are much better quality then all the other current subs and if you don't agree just watch them and you will see. Also the video/audio quality is much better, to tell you the truth it looks exactly like the raw.

thewird
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on September 21, 2004, 10:46:03 am
Anyone know why takumi has had 4 different aftermarket tachometers?
In Second Stage, he installed a black SMITHS 12 000 rpm tachometer
In Third Stage, he changed it to a red Omori (i think) tachometer
In Fourth Stage ep1,2 he had a green tachometer
in Fourth Stage ep3,4,5,6 he had a black tachometer
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on September 21, 2004, 03:56:56 pm
That's easy:

Marketing/Sponsership
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 21, 2004, 06:16:37 pm
Project D is supposed to be changing somethings on his car all this time he has been with them.  If you notice now his car stopped making the dinging noise once it goes over 100km.  Was that to make it go faster?

Has anyone noticed other things change about the car from season to season?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DashRattleWRX on September 22, 2004, 06:06:14 am
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Also I have subbed episodes 5 and 6 and you can find the link at http://www.thewirdsdomain.com .  These are much better quality then all the other current subs and if you don't agree just watch them and you will see. Also the video/audio quality is much better, to tell you the truth it looks exactly like the raw.

thewird



The video quality is excelent.. I wish I could say the same for the subtitles ::).  Anyhow, it's better than nothing.

**patiently awaiting l-e's release**
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 22, 2004, 06:29:08 am
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The video quality is excelent.. I wish I could say the same for the subtitles ::).  Anyhow, it's better than nothing.

**patiently awaiting l-e's release**


Don't you have to install extra codecs to even see the subs? Sounds like a waste of time when I can wait for a great release from L-E.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Red_Suns_FC3S on September 22, 2004, 06:35:57 am
The dinging noise was on the stock tachometer to indicate the car is traveling 100km or 60 mph... it's an idiot bell basically to warn you your going that fast.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: firebert on September 22, 2004, 06:40:36 am
speedometer.. tachometer reads RPM

BUT I would like to say thank you for everyone who posted links to where we could get eps 5 & 6!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DashRattleWRX on September 22, 2004, 06:46:55 am
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Don't you have to install extra codecs to even see the subs? Sounds like a waste of time when I can wait for a great release from L-E.



Yeah, it took me about twenty seconds to download and install the codecs.  How long do you plan on waiting?  do you even know for sure that L-E is going to release 5&6 before 7&8 air?  I'm not saying that I'm no longer waiting for a great release from L-E (which I'm sure it will be).  The only time I could have wasted was the time spent watching the episodes, and to tell you the truth, they were both awseome!!  I wouldn't even consider watching the raws to be a waste of time  :P.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 22, 2004, 06:56:32 am
Well I can watch a raw easy. I just like to have a good translation to enjoy more than the action.  One of the things I love about Initial D is how it at least in earlier seasons had stories going on behind the main one to conflict with his progress.  Such as a girlfriend who dates older men, a bad translation would have made you think she just had some conversation with her dad.  Context is everything sometimes.  

Besides they just posted on the front page they would have another release soon.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 22, 2004, 07:00:40 am
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The dinging noise was on the stock tachometer to indicate the car is traveling 100km or 60 mph... it's an idiot bell basically to warn you your going that fast.


I realize that it was to let you know you are going over the speed limit for Japan in the early 80's (still today as well I think) of their major expressways.  The point is how something changed as the show progressed. In season one that dinging was very much there and a part of giving you a feeling for just how insane his driving is.  

Later on in season 2 we realize he is an amazing driver and we do not need that dinging as a constant reminder of how he drives to the limit and beyond.  Again another context moment I guess. Besides it cuts into the music everyone loves to hear.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Red_Suns_FC3S on September 22, 2004, 09:00:45 am
i ment Speedo... i know the difference.

As for live-evil Thank you for finally releasing to episodes. We all waiting a long time. But the wait made it a sweet victory. Thanks again. now everybody SEED.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 22, 2004, 09:05:48 am
I feel stupid because I was too busy posting elsewhere to notice it came up.  Part of my reason for posting around here so much is that it reminded me to check for updates.

I'm going to leave my connection open for a week after I get them so everyone say thank you for my crappy 30k upload contribution.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: 4th_Survivor on September 22, 2004, 09:19:15 am
Long live Live-Evil!! *bows*
Much much thanks for ep.5 & 6!! Nothing beats Live-Evil subs. 8)
Keep up the awesome work!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 22, 2004, 09:26:08 am
Perhaps I should make another topic for this, but how many downloads to you think Initial D 5 and 6 will get in 24 hours?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 22, 2004, 09:26:50 am
i think i know why he has different tacho's from until the 5/6'th one...

for stage 2 right after he got the engine the tacho was added hastily and was not the one his father had intended to add (atleast that's my reason behind it but some may dispute it because it says that it's the same one that bunta had held in reserve but not too sure of that part of the sub)

for third stage his dad probably set it up correctly and with a different tacho...

and for 4th stage... project d probably added a better tacho...

still can't figure out why the new one though... maybe it's an upgraded model that allows rpm restriction for the 9000 rpm trick( then again i know the car's ecu does this but eh maybe the trueno's ecu can't do that =p)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 22, 2004, 09:48:28 am
A trueno has a very primative ECU as I have driven the Corrolla-GTS (american version) and I don't know if there is even an easy way to piggy back a computer on the ECU like you can with newer cars to trick the ECU into working with information beyond its orginal scope of understanding.  

An example is when you add your own processor in front of an ECU to handle 30lbs of boost from your turbo charger when the car only handles up to 8lbs by ECU alone.

This could all end up being much like the question of why GIR's eyes are red in one epsides and not others for Invader Zim. Most times the case is they just made a mistake when rendering and it costs too much to go back and repair even if they notice.

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 22, 2004, 10:42:07 am
Here is a pix showing the progress to the first 100 downloads of episode 5 & 6 from Live - Evil on http://a.scarywater.net/live-evil/

(http://img53.exs.cx/img53/3922/first100foreach.jpg)

This is a pretty impressive release I must say.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on September 22, 2004, 10:54:09 am
oh btw the files are on usenet so  .
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 22, 2004, 11:09:06 am
which article group?  I looked under alt.birnaries.anime
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 22, 2004, 11:17:55 am
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oh btw the files are on usenet so  .


Woot.  I found the usenet group you were talking about!

alt.binaries.multimedia.anime

Less than 30 minutes till it is here, and as I said before I will be sharing it by Bit Torrent.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on September 22, 2004, 11:55:59 am
 [smiley=xx_xx.gif] thk :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 22, 2004, 12:19:18 pm
I'm already sharing, have been for 20 some minutes as I started uploading while I watched the 5th episode.  I doubt anyone will feel the 30k upload boost to episode 6, but it is up for a week anyways as I said it would be.  If 5 slows down and becomes the one with less bandwidth I'll flip over to it,  but for now 6 is way behind on the  megs per second mark.

current numbers are 1.09GB/s for ep. 5 and only 398.85MB/s for ep. 6.

that sounds like a lot but when you realize there are over 6600 downloaders vs 800 uploaders it is all pretty laggy.  

Again I must thank L-E for wonderful translations they are perfect (or close enough since I can't speak japanese).

And a special thanks to Mikala for the usenet hint.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on September 22, 2004, 12:28:56 pm
YAY

THANKYOU LE!! :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: kazuo on September 22, 2004, 12:53:47 pm
Man, the transfer times are out of control...

1k a sec but 20k upload... yick

I get the feeling people are using clients that restrict/turn off their UL speeds. Or simply aren't sharing once they're done.

I'mma go get it off usenet.. fuck this bittorrent shit

Thanks L-E for the rls.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: kimbo on September 22, 2004, 01:00:01 pm
I knew you guys would pull through..

THANKS!!!

*note i got the song from a friend... man when i listen in the car makes me want to corner faster  :o .. LOL.. but i am safe drivers so not too fast
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: makakazo on September 22, 2004, 03:02:17 pm
Hehe, thank you guys, i just got up and you already made my day :) And today Keroro Gunsou 5 was also released from a long break since the last one, so I'm too impatient to do anything else than waiting.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on September 22, 2004, 04:55:44 pm
Hizoly fizuckering shizack, Thank you Live-Evil, the day finally came, all this waiting made it a sort of surpise, Big smile on my face, hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mirage on September 22, 2004, 06:30:30 pm
before I begin educating the younger ones here about ecu's and such I would like to thank live-evil for all their hard work...I'm gettin ep 5 right now, I didn't see it yet because like many others waited for the guaranteed quality we always get from these guys, so *salute* thanks a lot guys...you're work though uncompensated is very well appreciated by many...ignore the idiots that bitch and whine

chAi - about the Tach's...it has to be the same one Bunta had on reserve because they got it from the same dude, they called all sorts of auto stores and what not and couldn't get an aftermarket tach that went past 9k..you'll note Bunta didn't tell Takumi how far he could rev it until the work was done, and Takumi felt one thing, 'that the car was making power right when he had to shift' so they had to go shopping for a tach that goes past 9k...which, at least stateside, is very expensive and must be special ordered...also, the fact that they ended up calling Bunta's mechanic implies thats what Bunta was going to put it in the car, go back and watch the ep and you'll see them try to get it from other places, and end up getting this guys "last one"...at least thats what I think, maybe these tachs are readily available in Japan and the sub I watched was really bad...but more than likely if you correllate it with real life he got the same one his dad ordered...

about the rev limiting....go watch episode 4 again, Ryosuke tells him not to look back for many reasons.  Among those reasons one is so he can focus on his driving, he has to focus on his driving because he has to shift up at 9k, no tach will stop you from going to the redline...esp not an aftermarket tach so rev limiting is something Takumi did with his right foot, which is why he is still so freaking amazing, thats really hard to do especially when your opponent is right on your ass...

finally we get to the topic of ECUs...first and foremost when they CHANGED THE ENGINE out of his car they HAD to install a new ECU.  Basically the ECU has maps for what the engine needs at what speeds and it monitors if something is going wrong (knocking, etc.).  I'm pretty sure there is always some stupid electrical trick you can do to piggyback no matter how old the technology is (maybe instead of piggy backing you add a standalone instead, who knows) but Killjoy, when you say "I know as I have driven one"....what the hell did you find out about the car's ECU by driving it??
Really I want to know what you found out...or do you have any idea what the hell  you are talking about, I want to know what you found out about the car's electronic management by driving it...
Some of your other posts sounded understanding and all and you seem like a very competent person but don't post about stuff you don't know, thats just ignorant..

Enjoy the new eps, I know I will thanks to Live-Evil very much for still posting them, its greatly appreciated...

final note: I don't hate either of you  (killjoy or chai) I'm just pointing things out to you guys that way next time you will have a better understanding of things, if you have questions about stuff feel free to reply here or PM me, I just don't like when people talk about stuff they clearly don't know...in this case with the ECUs
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on September 22, 2004, 06:31:48 pm
thank god thanks to live-evil.org to sponsor us this anime thanks alot for your hardwork ... am now downloading it heh hope it finishes it by 10 so i can watch it just nicely inorder to go and work tomorrow in the noon heh ^^ good night guys cheers !
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 22, 2004, 08:09:53 pm
I just meant that I drove the car and looked at the guts of the ECU and saw how primitve it was. It was a friend's car and I noticed it wasn't very good at knock control with the orginial ECU and he was wanting to know if he could get a piggy back to fix that and I told him at the time I didn't know anyone that was selling a unit to fool it.  It was on par with a VW digifant from the early 80s.

as for the motor in the new 86 I found some info on it for everyone.  I'm guessing He has the actual race motor but here is a detail set up of the silver top 5 valve toyota motor:

THE 4A-GE 20 VALVE

The 20-Valve 4AGE replaced the 4AGZE Supercharged engines. Just like the early and late 16 Valve 4Ges, they also underwent revisions.  The Silver Top was introduced in the Corolla AE101 (1992), and the Black Top in the Corolla AE111 (1997).  Both engines used Toyota’s version of Variable cam timing- VVT.  Bore and stroke remained as in the original 1st and 2nd Generation 4AGEs (early) big port (TVIS) and (late) small port (non-TVIS).  Similarly compression was upped in the later models.  The blocks are identical to the late model AE92 generation blocks (and naturally the SC blocks too).

The 20-Valve engines never came officially into the US (and many other foreign markets where the old 4AGEs were available- and of course it imparts a very exotic presence.  The individual throttle bodies look like they came off the fabulous 503 race engines.   Think about it, no Toyota factory RACE Engine had 5 valves per cylinder!!  Yamaha- who works with Toyota on cylinder head design (and manufacturing), have been a very avid pioneer and supporter of the 5-valve design.  The short-lived Yamaha Formula 1 engines had 5 valves per cylinder.  In terms of maximum valve to surface area- the 5 valve design cannot be beat- theoretically and geometrically.

Aside from the obvious 5-valve and variable timing cylinder head design- the difference from the 4-valve is the dramatically reduced weight of the internal components.  Pistons, connecting rods, and to a lesser degree, crankshafts have all been updated with lighter weight design.  The good news is that it remained an iron block- the engines were still on solid foundation for heavy and serious modifications.

Between the Silver and Black top- the later Black models came with still lighter rotating components.  Laying out the engine components side by side…there are miniscule differences, Toyota was tuning the engines to a higher degree by rotational mass reduction, a lesson advanced from the earlier lightweight block design (of the pre-multi-valve engines).   The difference in the connecting rods between 16 and 20 valve engines is dramatically surprising.   However for purposes of radical modifications a Silver top will probably be a better engine to work with (slightly stouter rod).

In Japan these engines were used in Formula Toyota, a series much like Formula Atlantic where there is only one SPEC engine available to all competitors.  The magic of 20-valve is apparent on the ability to attain and sustain a high RPM threshold.  The addition of variable cam timing allows the engine to surpass both low-end torque and high RPM horsepower figures of the older 4AGEs.  This is the closest to race spec engine Toyota has ever produced.

In terms of Toyota technology, the twin versions of the 20-valve engine- out specified any previous offering in naturally aspirated form.  This is the last true iron block with the ultimate head design and intake set-up.

here http://www.toysport.com/Technical%20Information/4ag_tech_notes.htm
is the link for the full scoop on toyota motors for performace.

I've read that the race version makes more like 230hp, but I can't find anything to really back that yet.  Ao till I find out we can assume that if he is running the race motor instead of the silver top he is pushing more than 170hp which is decent for a 4cylc with no turbo or super charger.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on September 22, 2004, 09:00:21 pm
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo it's realeased!!! and i'm at work :( *phooey to work*

=) but in anycase :) Thanks L-E!!!  I LUVZ YOUSSSSS :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Marky_Baby on September 22, 2004, 09:06:36 pm
finally got a new keyboard, as i have been meaning to reply to this thread since it was like 8 pages long haha

anyway, great to see the latest of episodes of 4th stage to be released, hopefully that'll silence the doubters...

a couple of things i think i wanted to hit on, if i can remember, i didnt like seeing links to other groups fansubs on this thread, i thought it was a bhit disrespectful to L-E, whose subbing we all know has been head and shoulders above the rest, as well as some of the comments that followed along the lines of who needs L-E!!!

Anyway i think that was my only little rant i'd been wanting to make,

And also, props to Live-Evil and their work on the subbing, as i'm sure there is plenty of time and effort that go into these, especially when the most you ever get is the odd little shout out like this, which for ll the expectancy of you, isn't very much. But on behalf of myself, girlfriend :p and everyone who doesn't sign up to these forums but wuld like to say something, THANK YOU!!!


ps, i'm moving house soon, but once i get my connection installed i'm willing to seed episodes for you :) i know its not much, but hit back if your interested.

Cheers ^_^
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Gideon on September 22, 2004, 09:37:46 pm
I just want to thank you LIVE-EVIL. Gonna watch it tonight. U rule
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 22, 2004, 10:55:41 pm
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chAi - about the Tach's...it has to be the same one Bunta had on reserve because they got it from the same dude, they called all sorts of auto stores and what not and couldn't get an aftermarket tach that went past 9k..you'll note Bunta didn't tell Takumi how far he could rev it until the work was done, and Takumi felt one thing, 'that the car was making power right when he had to shift' so they had to go shopping for a tach that goes past 9k...which, at least stateside, is very expensive and must be special ordered...also, the fact that they ended up calling Bunta's mechanic implies thats what Bunta was going to put it in the car, go back and watch the ep and you'll see them try to get it from other places, and end up getting this guys "last one"...at least thats what I think, maybe these tachs are readily available in Japan and the sub I watched was really bad...but more than likely if you correllate it with real life he got the same one his dad ordered...

about the rev limiting....go watch episode 4 again, Ryosuke tells him not to look back for many reasons.  Among those reasons one is so he can focus on his driving, he has to focus on his driving because he has to shift up at 9k, no tach will stop you from going to the redline...esp not an aftermarket tach so rev limiting is something Takumi did with his right foot, which is why he is still so freaking amazing, thats really hard to do especially when your opponent is right on your ass...

finally we get to the topic of ECUs...first and foremost when they CHANGED THE ENGINE out of his car they HAD to install a new ECU.  Basically the ECU has maps for what the engine needs at what speeds and it monitors if something is going wrong (knocking, etc.).  I'm pretty sure there is always some stupid electrical trick you can do to piggyback no matter how old the technology is (maybe instead of piggy backing you add a standalone instead, who knows)


heh did you read the stuff in the paranthesis? i kinda stated everything u said to me but cliff notes style =p

*btw job well done LE
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on September 22, 2004, 10:59:22 pm
Sooooo how long before we can start clamoring for episodes 7 & 8?...  joking

Dont care when as long as i eventually get to see 14 great episodes from stage 4.  

Holy cow, you mean that girl was dating that old guy?  Because of bad subs, at first i thought her dad was some perv, then i figured that it was some sick thing where japanese hookers treated tricks like their fathers.  I think she was a hooker though, even if its translated that they were dating.  Its one of those things where you gotta read between the lines.  The guy was like dont leave me i'll give you more money.  And then she gets a "real/legal" job.  As funny as that is, thats real.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on September 22, 2004, 11:01:46 pm
Oh yea and props, mad love, and mo fire to all the Live eviL fam.  Puttin in work OT, stay grindin... ya heard!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 22, 2004, 11:49:15 pm
Mistresses are a tax deduction in Japan I think?  like a company expense because everyone is expected to have one.  and the old guy that she called dad, was actually the father of the guy driving the 4wheel drive celica in 3rd stage on the snow.  At least I think that is right as I'd have to go back and check it out more closely to make sure I haven't forgotten that already.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: LightMyShadow on September 23, 2004, 01:29:54 am
omg thanks live-evil, eps 5 and 6 is super exciting :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: crazy1graphicx on September 23, 2004, 07:46:46 am
where do u DL the Initial D 4th stage episodes?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: crazy1graphicx on September 23, 2004, 07:48:38 am
Ive watch other initial D 4th stage eps and all the subtitle sucks compare to Live-Evil... there subs are on the point it reallies translates wat da characters are saying, not like the others ive seen some of them dont even make any sense!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Evolution on September 23, 2004, 04:47:49 pm
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Mistresses are a tax deduction in Japan I think?  like a company expense because everyone is expected to have one.  and the old guy that she called dad, was actually the father of the guy driving the 4wheel drive celica in 3rd stage on the snow.  At least I think that is right as I'd have to go back and check it out more closely to make sure I haven't forgotten that already.


Rofl is that true about a tax deduction lol. I didn't think that the guy in third stage was the son of the old guy, I though that he was an old boyfriend, that would just be dirty if he was the son of that guy. I thought she was calling the guy dad because he was a pervert lol
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on September 23, 2004, 07:12:35 pm
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Mistresses are a tax deduction in Japan I think?  like a company expense because everyone is expected to have one.  and the old guy that she called dad, was actually the father of the guy driving the 4wheel drive celica in 3rd stage on the snow.  At least I think that is right as I'd have to go back and check it out more closely to make sure I haven't forgotten that already.


Oh man~ i hope you're joking right? the old guy she called dad was just some guy paying her to acompany him -_-" in no way did anyone say that he was related to the guy in the 3rd stage....(and i don't think it was a celica)

the guy in the 3rd stage was an old bf and the guy she was calling papa, was jus some guy paying her for her "time".

Maybe your information came out of bad dubbing/subbing??? O_o
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: da_jon on September 23, 2004, 07:57:25 pm
The guy in 3rd stage was driving a Celica 4WD and he was the guy that Takumi punched in the face in the locker room for talking about Natsuki. I do remember someone saying he was the old mans son. I'd have to check.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DeFCoN on September 24, 2004, 12:59:19 am
i want to say da_jon is right... not sure either though.

anyways, about EP 5 & 6... OMG!!! i'm not even into animie but i've been hooked on ID since i saw my first episode! the characters and plot is amazing not to mention the driving and car talk.

I've still got my Torrents open for those of you still downloading. about 5 and 6 Gigabytes uploaded so far!!! looking on L-E's torrent list page it looks like there's like 500MB/sec worth of Project D and Live Evil flying around the net right now. haha that's amazing!!

i really think i can speak for everyone and give huge PROPS and THANKS to L-E&IDE for once again pulling off what would be impossible for many of us!!! you guys doing the subs will never know how much we all appreciate it because of the few that are negative about the wait.

p.s. setting up a paypal donation fund like BitTorrent might not be a bad idea... i'm sure quite a few of us have an extra couple of bucks to knock Initial D towards the top of the pile on your to-do list!! haha
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 24, 2004, 01:57:10 am
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Oh man~ i hope you're joking right? the old guy she called dad was just some guy paying her to acompany him -_-" in no way did anyone say that he was related to the guy in the 3rd stage....(and i don't think it was a celica)

the guy in the 3rd stage was an old bf and the guy she was calling papa, was jus some guy paying her for her "time".

Maybe your information came out of bad dubbing/subbing??? O_o



As I recall at least in the manga the son when he is in the locker room talked about how he dated her when she wasn't seeing his dad?  

anyways I'm pretty sure he is the son of the guy she called Papa.

As for the tax break I think that might have been in the 80s because you could expense the girl's apartment and otherthings.  Not always that you actually sleep with her as much as she is a status symbol that you can attract younger women while being a powerful man in the world (Instead of it showing that you are a tool like it often proves here).

I did find an article on Geishas though if that would help clear up the biz of how Japan sees things like this.

http://As I recall at least in the manga the son when he is in the locker room talked about how he dated her when she wasn't seeing his dad?  

anyways I'm pretty sure he is the son of the guy she called Papa.

As for the tax break I think that might have been in the 80s because you could expense the girl's apartment and otherthings.  Not always that you actually sleep with her as much as she is a status symbol that you can attract younger women while being a powerful man in the world (Instead of it showing that you are a tool like it often proves here).

I did find an article on Geishas though if that would help clear up the biz of how Japan sees things like this.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Paddy on September 24, 2004, 05:47:19 pm
Hmm is it just me but the series is still kinda doesnt feel as good as the past series? Even tho the quality of it is better its lacking the X factor in the usual Initial D series?

Anyways hope the stroyine will pick up soon. Hope Tak's Dad will get his subaru soon and kick ass! Think they need to make Tak lose more... Might actually make it more interesting. Also the races feel samey samey...

Anyways heres an question. In real life do the Japanese really take street racing that lightly as in, in the cartoon it doesnt really show that the law is trying to prevent it etc. Like fast and furious?!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 25, 2004, 05:39:12 am
i'm guess the "X" factor you're refering to is the underdog feeling... since we know the power that the new engine can give out a lot of power and possibly more, the fact that Takumi's joined with the best amatuer street race team, and the fact that he just beat a pro on a fluke... that may toss the series a bit... but we still gotta remember... he semi races Bunta next =D

newayz... refering to your question about if the japanese take street racing seriously or not... well... actually... here in the US there's been like no enforcement on Street Racing done in Canyons... Mountainous runs like you see in Initial D are done here in the US with very little to no enforcement either to my knowledge... its when wannabes street drag on public streets in major cities where the crack down happens...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Paddy on September 26, 2004, 08:40:56 am
Yer now that hes in the team it kinda made it less fun. At first I thought it be good but now not too sure. Also in the past when there was a race against other racing teams would spectate but now its just the local people. Except the last race where the Emperors went. They made Tak the underdog against the pro but it didnt really bring back the X factor. Think its because they are spending less time building up to the races. Also they made Tak into some kind of super street driver yet he worships Ryosuke.(sp) Giving me the feel hes his lap dog :D Anyways hope it picks up and get better.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on September 27, 2004, 10:16:40 pm
I know most people would complain in the other direction, but I wish there was more going on with his life outside of racing such as I think they might be doing soon.  But this shorter season of episodes has compounded the issue of rushing story telling.  I still love and will be devoted to watching the episodes though.  As with all other art forms the show most evolve or die in a stagnation of perpetual reruns instead of having new and inventive story lines.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 28, 2004, 01:24:39 am
heh... Takumi doesn't really have a life outside of racing... Mogi's in Tokyo and I wouldn't like to listen to Itsuki brag about his turbo...(*side note... that turbo on the 85 levin is awesome!!! try it in Ver3...) basically he won't have a personal life till maybe Project D reaches to Tokyo... which is not happening this stage... since it's being drawn up as we speak in the Manga  ;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DeFCoN on September 28, 2004, 05:05:23 am
is the story line or plot for 4th stage already created? (i.e. manga or comics)

i'm not into animie at all, just been watching initial d for about a year or two.

so i guess my question is... can we know what to expect to happen in 4th stage? i'd like to know if he races bunta... i'm sure he does, but it would kinda ruin it if i found out what happens...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on September 28, 2004, 10:07:01 am
heh we'll see Bunta's new "Blue Comet" some time in the next 2 eps... and yes he will sorta race takumi with it...

also yes the plot for 4th stage is pretty much covered already with how far the manga has reached... at the speed its going right now... i'd say it will probably end with the EVO's if u've played Ver3 u'll know what i'm talking about...

(you can see that i'm trying to build up some hype for people that are kinda going ugh)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 04, 2004, 03:10:04 am
we haven't seen bunta's car yet because I stole it... I'm sorry, i'll return it soon

(no, really, i have a 2000 GME impreza 2.5RS, and it's blue, picture http://www.linuxdrifter.com/images/Subaru001_small.jpg)

Anyway, back to the point, I would say that the one thing that I find different from 4th stage than the other stages is the fact that its giving more screen time to actual racing, and less to his personal life.  Example, you used to go for half the show at the gas station talking to iketani or itsuki.  Now, he's talking with the other racers and tuning his car.  

Also, re-post any actual "why do cops not crack down on drifting in japan" or other actual racing questions now, I was a car guy before I learned of Initial D.

The cops actually have put in "speed bumps" on the exit and entry to some of the faster corners to kill any chance of going quickly around them. If you were to hit one of these 40' long sections of bumps at moderate-high speed, you'd kill your car. You can see what these actually look like if you watch the extras on the Tokyopop DVD (#5 i beileve) where they finally find where actual street racers race.

Also, cops in japan understand that some street racers are irresponsible (think you average american Honda Civic driver) and cause crashes, whereas some are more responsible, and actually take safety measures to counteract the danger (having people parked on the outside of corners, and flashing their headlights to warn of oncoming traffic, etc.).

go bunta
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on October 04, 2004, 07:01:04 am
I think project d might end up in tokyo later in the series.  In arcade stage ver 3 there are 2 guys from tokyo driving an s15.
I might be wroing though
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on October 04, 2004, 07:03:27 am
<--------   why do i have a "i love yabb 1g -sp1" thing here and how do i get rid of it
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 04, 2004, 07:46:37 am
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<--------   why do i have a "i love yabb 1g -sp1" thing here and how do i get rid of it



top of the page, there's a thing that says "profile" (on the home...help...search...members... bar) Click on that and remove all evidence of newbishness.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sokaris on October 06, 2004, 10:02:45 pm
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As I recall at least in the manga the son when he is in the locker room talked about how he dated her when she wasn't seeing his dad?  

anyways I'm pretty sure he is the son of the guy she called Papa.

As for the tax break I think that might have been in the 80s because you could expense the girl's apartment and otherthings.  Not always that you actually sleep with her as much as she is a status symbol that you can attract younger women while being a powerful man in the world (Instead of it showing that you are a tool like it often proves here).

I did find an article on Geishas though if that would help clear up the biz of how Japan sees things like this.

http://As I recall at least in the manga the son when he is in the locker room talked about how he dated her when she wasn't seeing his dad?  

anyways I'm pretty sure he is the son of the guy she called Papa.

As for the tax break I think that might have been in the 80s because you could expense the girl's apartment and otherthings.  Not always that you actually sleep with her as much as she is a status symbol that you can attract younger women while being a powerful man in the world (Instead of it showing that you are a tool like it often proves here).

I did find an article on Geishas though if that would help clear up the biz of how Japan sees things like this.


It's clear she was engaged in enjokosai, whether that lead to sex or not we don't know for sure. If you watch 2nd stage there are brief neon reflections in the Benz window for Love Hotels.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on October 07, 2004, 08:34:55 am
Does anyone know the japanese release dates for episodes 7&8 ? Thanx
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Hex on October 09, 2004, 01:59:10 am
16th of October, The release dates are on this (http://avexmode.jp/animation/initial/initial.html) page.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on October 10, 2004, 09:57:51 am
Well thanx for the info, but that link isn't very useful at all. The whole "other language" thing is the whole reason I'm here in the first place.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 10, 2004, 10:03:57 am
(cough cough babelfish cough cough)

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?url=http%3A%2F%2Favexmode.jp%2Fanimation%2Finitial%2Finitial.html&lp=ja_en
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on October 16, 2004, 07:44:26 am
hey, ID airs today, YAY
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 16, 2004, 08:51:58 am
December 15th...

October 20th...

go read it again, and then wait 5 days.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Tofuboi on October 16, 2004, 10:29:18 am
nah, you got it wrong, Oct 20th is when the dvd for ep. 5&6 comes out; if you look on the japanese above it, it says 7&8 comes out 2004/10/16
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on October 16, 2004, 10:56:07 am
babelfish is great.  Thanks Douglas Adams, ooh and of course google.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on October 16, 2004, 01:26:53 pm
i read the characters on the real site. yay for me.  anyways, it airs today. yay
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on October 17, 2004, 11:00:37 am
So 7 & 8 released in Japan today. Anybody know where you can DL the Raw's??
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DARCnarc on October 17, 2004, 03:50:36 pm
im not getting my hopes up anyway, the last wait for the episodes to be subbed has already crushed my spirit
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: debchan on October 17, 2004, 07:16:15 pm
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So 7 & 8 released in Japan today. Anybody know where you can DL the Raw's??



http://l33t-raws.org/bt/
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on October 18, 2004, 05:34:15 pm
it was well worth the wait though
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DARCnarc on October 18, 2004, 06:39:36 pm
in a sense, tho i reckon i could've probs made it thru the second one without subtitles, thats just coz im willin to b a lil confused for the sake of awesome drivin
would have to watch it later with sub's tho of course but it would stem my short term needs
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 18, 2004, 09:47:07 pm
Holy C**p that "race" between bunta and takumi was kick a**.  Granted, I enjoy it more because it's a GM8 (WRX STi coupe, V5) doing it, but it's still cool.  And can someone who understands the raws please tell me what's up with those 2 in the black RX-7? and the S15 guy too.

Definately cant wait for the subs, and need to watch #8.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DeadAlready911 on October 18, 2004, 10:28:49 pm
Everybody dies at the end, huge car crash. The shows true meaning is to teach you want happens when you race.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on October 18, 2004, 10:35:38 pm
takumi owned episode 7 and keiske owned 8.  the way it should always be.  8 is a classic as well as 6.  Music is an  awesome change from what we usually get but i dont want the fast paced music to ever stop.  No spoilers anymore please... lets be considerate of the other half that can wait and dont understand japanese.  PEACE!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on October 19, 2004, 04:35:31 am
Its weird, but 4th Stage ep 7-8 is out for raw? I hope the Live-Evil is gettin to work cuz ep 7 is showin Bunta's car racin TAK! I thought the eps wouldn't be out till Dec but oh well I bet all Initial D fans are lovin it=)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on October 19, 2004, 05:30:27 am
Maybe you guys know something I don't, and you're "probably" right, but we don't actually see Bunta in the STI, only the driver's mouth, and the previous conversation between Bunta and his mechanic didn't say a specific model only mentioning AWD and that he doesn't like the Wing, and while the intro shows Bunta in a Scooby, we still can't say for sure it's him.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: jtam101 on October 19, 2004, 05:35:24 am
read the manga, played the game, the STI is bunta. no doubt about it
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 19, 2004, 05:41:43 am
Yes, the STi is bunta, I know it only showed his mouth, and no it didn't have a cigarette in it, but still, it was bunta.  Notice how after the racing shot they showed the tofu shop and it was empty?

Besides the only other AWD  cars would be the GTR skyline (which he says is too heavy) the Evolution, which has already been beaten, and the scooby WRX STi Type R (2-door = type R).  

It's either a v5 or v6 STi too, you can tell from the front bumper.


Now i just wish I knew what the hell they were saying.  It's amazing how much of the story you can follow just by watching the animation, even though you dont understand the words.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on October 19, 2004, 08:37:07 am
hey but did anybody know why Japan view ep 7 & 8 so early?  I mean ep 5-6 was only shown in Sept or late Aug, and its only Oct rite now, shouldn't the new eps be viewed around Nov or Dec?  lol or maybe ppl in Japan made complaints how they waited too long for just 2 eps every other month
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on October 19, 2004, 10:41:44 am
august plus 2months = october

from memory 5 and 6 were aired on the 21st august, and 7 and 8 aired on the 16th october
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: SiL-080 on October 19, 2004, 11:49:41 am
anyone know what what kind of car that grey one was that takumi raced. it looks quite familiar but i just cant quite put a finger on it :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 19, 2004, 07:16:55 pm
the grey/silver car was an S-15 Nissan Silvia.  Iketani's/kenji's car plus 2 models (theirs are S-13 and RPS-13 respectively)

(http://www.showcars-bodyparts.com/240SX%2095-Up%20S15%20T%20kitBC.jpg)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on October 19, 2004, 07:59:36 pm
Were all 180sx, 240sx Sylvia's in japan. and again your probably right about the scooby, but  I was thinking Bunta would go with a decked out RS because he said he didn't want a wing (thus no STI)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on October 19, 2004, 10:58:15 pm
The 180sx was just that in Japan...a 180sx.  It came with a CA18DET engine (1.8 litres) as opposed to the Silvia's SR20DET (2.0 litres).
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: SiL-080 on October 19, 2004, 11:23:48 pm
awesome thanks guys :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 20, 2004, 03:16:56 am
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The 180sx was just that in Japan...a 180sx.  It came with a CA18DET engine (1.8 litres) as opposed to the Silvia's SR20DET (2.0 litres).



dont forget about the 240sx's KA24DE motor here in the US
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on October 20, 2004, 03:40:46 am
later model 180sx were sold with the sr20det
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on October 20, 2004, 04:35:04 am
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dont forget about the 240sx's KA24DE motor here in the US



Yeah but he was talking about Japanese Silvia's. :)

Supra_Saiyan, yes you are right as well...really unfortunate too as the CA18DET is arguably a much more advanced engine.  Of course because of that it cost more to produce, which led to it being discontinued.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: fallout on October 20, 2004, 06:42:21 am
does anyone know the english names of the episodes released so far for stage 4
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on October 20, 2004, 07:05:02 am
okay so the 180sx is not a Sylvia, but is the 240sx only a Sylvia in Japan
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on October 20, 2004, 08:25:32 am
Hey does anyone live around the Bay Area in California??  Or specified, around Hayward/Castro Valley?  Cuz I will be hostin an Initial D tournement around late Jan so I wanna see if any ppl are interested in it?  Note its location will be in Castro Valley in California.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on October 20, 2004, 09:00:47 am
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okay so the 180sx is not a Sylvia, but is the 240sx only a Sylvia in Japan


Australia imports Silvia's as well the Silvia.  They don't re-badge the cars or anything like that.  I image most countries that are right hand driver groups can import the Silvia with much more ease than here in the U.S.

I have a 1997 240SX which is the S14 body style in Japan, and while in Australia I saw it badged both as a 200SX and as a Silvia depending on what was under the hood.  Now I think they have 200SX and Silvias with slightly different bodies though I would have to check.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 20, 2004, 09:07:53 am
The 180sx is not a silvia, your talking RPS13 (180sx) VS S13 (silvia).  The difference is in the front end, the hatch, and the engine.

Now, the 240sx is basically a one-via (front end of 180sx and rear end of a silvia).  Much like the Sil-Eighty, which was the exact opposite combination (front of a silvia, rear of a 180).  

Some Japaneese car guys/drifters first came up with these 2 cars (onevia and sileighty) because when they crashed their cars into the mountain side, it was cheaper to replace the expensive pop up headlights with the silvia's front end.  From this, some guys did the opposite to be different and replaced the front end of their siliva with the 180sx's pop up front.  Nissan saw this and apparently thought it was a good idea, and they produced the 240sx and the sileighty (although the sileighty was sold in very small numbers and is now a collectors car, you can tell a real sileighty because it's printed on the rear quarter glass and on the center between the tail lights).

The difference of the 240sx being that the motor was the 2.4L KA24DE.   (essentially a truck motor)

Now, these three cars are completely different, except for the base unibody and some interior pieces.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on October 20, 2004, 09:18:08 am
At least it is a tuned truck motor.  It does have more bottom end torque for it too.  The route few people bother to take yet gives more hp than a silvia conversion is to take your 2.4L and supercharge it with the guts redone to take the abuse.  There is a guy running almost 500hp out of his and the torque is more.  best of all you don't have to wait for parts to come in from Japan.  

The silvia is still a traditionally wonderful car with perfect balance and poise.  I want one if I get the chance, but I doubt I would build one out of my 240, as I can do so much with the 4 grand I would spend on motor, tranny and frabrication time to get it to work with my wiring.  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 20, 2004, 09:26:38 am
RB26DETT + RB25 Transmission = BEAST

Anyway,  you said you had a 97, that's the S14A correct (round headlights?).  Ever gotten a little sideways in it? (evil grin)

In all actuality, my statement about the truck motor was wrong, the truck motor is made in mexico and the 240 motor is made in japan.  There are a few other differences (such as the truck motor being single cam, and the 240 motor being made in both a single and dual cam setup).  I'll also agree that when done correctly, a KA can be a very strong motor.  The only thing about a KA that makes most guys swap in a SR is that the SR or even the CA or RB motors were all meant to be turbocharged, and therefore have internals to support it.  The KA was an N/A motor and as such needs a lot more put into it to be reliable under boost.

...yeah, i have a nismo shirt and hat...

...and i drive a subaru... lol
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on October 20, 2004, 09:39:20 am
australia never got the s13 series silvias

we had the s12s sold here as nissan gazelles
skipped the s13s
had the s14s badged as 200sx with the sr20det
had the s15s badged as 200sx with the sr20det

however, s13s are one of the most common imports.  i have a friend with a 1990 ca18det 180sx and another friend with a 1993 180sx with a red top sr20det.

http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_content.private_vehicle?vehicle_id=1958948&current_rec=1&total_rec=2&sort_type=&make_id=5&model_id=266&state_id=1&search_distance=25

^ my friends 180 with the ca18 making roughly 180kw at the rear wheels. (around 240rw hp)

too bad he is selling it soon. :(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on October 20, 2004, 10:15:23 am
yeah my girlfriend's father has a S13 down there as well.  He got it cheap because it was an Automatic.  After fixing that he has had a decent little machine.  he is thinking about putting a turbo or maybe a whole new motor in the thing.  such as the RB25.  Then again that might have been my fault since I said it is what I would do if I could get my hands on one easy and extra parts as needed from a salvo yard. (Which he can)  The only place better than Australia for importing Skylines would be NZ because they have lower taxes on imports.  I almost bought a skyline in NZ for 5,600 U.S. at the time.  

It had a 4 point belt system and everything.  But you know buying a car I couldn't import back state side is just silly.  

Just wait till I'm rich.  I'll have a skyline, with a matching paint job to my silvia.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Cov on October 20, 2004, 06:09:44 pm
Hey everyone- Just (finally) finished reading this little lot! Some of the knowledge displayed, is frankly, scary. But hey, i am not complaining!

Just a note to ask LE if they have an ETA on the subbed versions of eps 7 & 8, and also to congratulate them on their subbing- the best i have come accros. I found there subbing made more sense than even the DVDs did! Only niggle is i, like many others prefer the term hachi roku to 86, but hey, if that's the worst thing i can find to complain about, thats great! Keep up the good work LE!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: TerraRoot on October 20, 2004, 06:19:02 pm
hi guys, i was just wondering, how much are 86's going for in your area? here in ireland it's a bout €10000 avg ($12500) and if i saw one for less then €6500 it's either an 85 with ML's or about to blow!
i'm thinkin of importing an 86, probably from US,
btw whats your favorite part? i love the battle with the 85 in stage1.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DARCnarc on October 20, 2004, 08:29:56 pm
favorite part? takumi's kamikaze downhill run when he's crazily pissed off
initiating the drift from the impact-----gold
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: TerraRoot on October 20, 2004, 08:52:46 pm
the battle with Shingo? yea that was the best serious battle yet, including the fourth stage, i love the fourth stage but only cause i'm drooling
at the beautiful cars :D. Takumi seems dull, faster but dull, in the newest episodes. i loved it when he got a little outta shape, like the above
mentioned battles and when he found out about Moji and raced the emperors. i was moved (sniff) when bunta showed up.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DARCnarc on October 20, 2004, 10:04:16 pm
oh and btw im in Aust and theres this guy who goes to Monash University Caulfield campus who seriously drives around in a done up 86 with the tofu sticker, cup holder, bucket seats and everything, i think he got the import for fairly cheap, but yet again coz it is here...
yeh well afta he got it here he did all the conversions himself and depending on ya luck u can drag him off at the lights, kinda surreal experience, mb coz i just like initial d wayy too much
and oh yeh, watcha think of the new way they doin episodes with first related to story and second entirely to drivin?  i think it's good coz u c way more drivin but limits the development of the story a bit
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on October 20, 2004, 11:12:49 pm
Yeah, I love the fourth stage but I truly hope that they spend an entire episode on character development.  I know they only have 2 episodes every other month, but still, I'd love to see what's happening in his life outside of racing.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on October 20, 2004, 11:19:55 pm
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hi guys, i was just wondering, how much are 86's going for in your area? here in ireland it's a bout €10000 avg ($12500) and if i saw one for less then €6500 it's either an 85 with ML's or about to blow!
i'm thinkin of importing an 86, probably from US,
btw whats your favorite part? i love the battle with the 85 in stage1.


I have found it hard to find an 86.  Most of all someone willing to sell.  Before Initial D you could have grabbed one for a grand or so.

J Square Auto
Pasadena, CA 91107
is selling the cheapest one I can read about so far lately for 1200.

you can check out http://www.autotrader.com to do a search.  Since nothing is close to you when it asks for a zip just up in what ever you like such as the 91107 listed for Pasadena.  The hard part for you is getting someone willing to ship for you.  

I also saw a guy swearing his 86 is stock and wants 8,000 for it which is STEEP.
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Post by: TerraRoot on October 20, 2004, 11:49:23 pm
hmm mental prices everywhere i look... new plan methinks
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on October 21, 2004, 01:06:27 am
What kind of prices are the cheap cars over there going for? I hear you can get free insurance on some new cars in england? Do they give similar potions over your way?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Cov on October 21, 2004, 03:06:20 am
Yes, you are right- although that is only on Brand new (from dealer) cars.

86 is sold here as Toyota Corrola GT - but only early mks, later ones are FWD. WE do have 200SX as well, and MX and RX around, although quite rare.

Unfortunately, for a person of my position (20 in age, no no claims bonus) the insurance premium is what puts those type of cars out of range. (although 86s go for silly money still)

Put it in perspective, my insurance premium on a 35 BHP Fiat Seicento was going to be over 1K sterling- about $1600US.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Cov on October 21, 2004, 03:10:10 am
Oh- and regarding the price of the cars.....

i spoke to a friend whose borther imports jap sports cars for a living, he said he could source and import a jap spec 86 for....

25000 Sterling! (over $30000US i am certain)
Still, it would be an exact trueno, in good confition.....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: TerraRoot on October 21, 2004, 03:17:00 am
pfft please this is ireland, THE highest insurance rates in the worlds.
yea free insurance if your over 25 and spendin €15000 on your new shiny shopping trolley.
cheap 86's? bout €6,500-7000, i''ve seen em going for €20000. ya know ireland is'nt so expensive a place but if it's got any use for rallying
the price goes trought the roof! lately to i've been seeing lots of s14....
lol i saw some american rallying once, the roads ye race on... tut tut.. like a three lane highway over here  ::)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on October 21, 2004, 03:38:48 am
Does anyone know wat stage Keisuke is racing against Kyoko?? Since im not japanese and I only have the raw eps I dont know wat stage it is. Plus I think the stage they raced was pretty short
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on October 21, 2004, 09:01:09 am
looks like this anime is going well heh ^^ but its quite nice though heard that fujiwara is gonna lose the next battle issit correct cause his dad asked to rather have thier lost first time inorder to keep on winning right ? inorder to let someone improve a defeat is needed ^^
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on October 21, 2004, 09:09:33 am
well Bunta's quote maybe true but it ain't workin for me yet haha, Im training so hard in the game yet I do better on the new last course than on course Akagi.  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: ITR on October 21, 2004, 04:35:18 pm
GRRR...I don't wanna watch the raws without subs...but it's so hard stain' away from the link....
...so I started to go to a Japanese school.... [smiley=biggrin.gif]

...but for now....I'm waiting....
It won't takes as much as ep 5e6, right?  :-X
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Cov on October 21, 2004, 08:23:16 pm
I hope not ;-)
Can we also keep the spoilers to another topic please? It is most irritating....

Thanks people.

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: firebert on October 23, 2004, 07:33:36 am
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Hey does anyone live around the Bay Area in California??  Or specified, around Hayward/Castro Valley?  Cuz I will be hostin an Initial D tournement around late Jan so I wanna see if any ppl are interested in it?  Note its location will be in Castro Valley in California.



hey yo, i live in oakland, I think I know the arcade you're talking about.. I usually go to castro valley via redwood rd.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: SiL-080 on October 23, 2004, 10:08:16 am
does anyone know if the turbo 85 has better suspention now, and better tires is it just turbo now?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: iDeology on October 23, 2004, 11:30:57 pm
MUST...  HAVE... NEW... SUBBED... EPS....

[smiley=crying1.gif] [smiley=crying1.gif]
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Post by: tooocool49723 on October 24, 2004, 03:07:00 am
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MUST...  HAVE... NEW... SUBBED... EPS....

[smiley=crying1.gif] [smiley=crying1.gif]



Dude, give it some time, it's been what? a week!!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: TerraRoot on October 24, 2004, 03:54:12 am
@ Sil-080
don't think so, he don't seem the type that would notice or bother with suspension/tires
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Post by: Victor_Vance on October 24, 2004, 03:58:18 am
I couldn't understand a lot but I'm pretty sure from how he was talking that the car indeed has better tires. Actually I think he originally got better tires after he got new wheels way back when he races those 180SX punks. But that's just my opinion [smiley=biggrin.gif]

By the way guys, keep up the great work... I didn't mind the long wait last time as it was well worth the time. I just *hope* that they're subbed befroe 9 and 10 comes out, that's all [smiley=biggrin.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on October 24, 2004, 12:10:23 pm
i dun think he's got suspension upgrades yet... those things kinda get expensive... and all he's been saving up for is a turbo since he started working full time... maybe new tires and thats about it...

and yes... it is insanely ridiculous that 86s are goin for what they are goin for these days... of course someone else on another forum that i know would argue otherwise >.>
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on October 24, 2004, 08:03:23 pm
I think certain people on the team for ID4 will be cracking down on those who pester for releases.

12:21PM -!- Topic (#live-evil): .: Live-eviL :.: NO @FIND/XDCC LIST :.: WEBSITE: http://forum.live-evil.org/ :.: http://xdcc.live-evil.org :.: Don't ask for raws | 7 Delayed since A01_k4iz3 asked..
12:21PM -!- Topic (#live-evil): set by Mamo-chan at Sat Oct 23 02:51:12 2004
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on October 25, 2004, 01:06:37 am
spymon, what do you mean ?

and does anyone know if another initial d game is coming to the ps2.  The other one was fun although the graphics could have been better(road width, car models), and the 3rd person is unreasonable.  I still like it though.

Anyone else notice how well the 3 battles in episode 7 & 8 linked together?  Im still wondering what Takumi said about Itsuki's turbo... that part has me in the dark.  

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Post by: angelan on October 25, 2004, 01:21:49 am
spymon means the more people ask when the release will be out...the longer the delay which means the later the release will come out.  

Come on guys they're doing their best, it'll come out when it's nicely subbed and went through QC so that us fans can have a perfectly subbed product =)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on October 25, 2004, 02:49:40 am
make sense, I guess its true
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 25, 2004, 03:32:39 am
I'd slow down too if everyone was constantly badgering me about hurrying up.

Long as their out before 9 + 10 air, it's O.K.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on October 25, 2004, 05:17:36 am
I'm guessing Tak is considering puttin' a Turbo in the Hachi Roku
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on October 25, 2004, 07:32:02 am
No... i dont think takumis putting in a turbo because his style is best suited for his NA monster's formula 1 like revs.

o, and i dont think keiuske hitting that girl's car seemed bad at all.  The skill it took to displace her at high speed corner, remain in the same line and still be in full control.  beautiful!
that girl is just too slow coming around the bend.  Damn I love the FD.  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 25, 2004, 08:12:59 am
(http://linuxdrifter.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/images/FunRun/normal_fun_run%20016.jpg)

Bunta on akina?



Or me on M119?

haha, Yeah, i'm incredibly bored right now.

and you have no idea how dirty the car was when I took that picture, lol.
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Post by: Shouji_Shingo on October 25, 2004, 09:36:08 am
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I'm guessing Tak is considering puttin' a Turbo in the Hachi Roku



Likely not. The engines compression ratio wouldnt allow for it. Remember, this is a fully built high compression engine. Id guess the ratio to be around 12.5:1-13.75:1.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 25, 2004, 09:46:02 am
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I'm guessing Tak is considering puttin' a Turbo in the Hachi Roku



Itsuki is turbocharging the hachi-go

Takumi is (i think) happy with his car for the time being

If you use the tokyopop names again, well, umm. you have been warned!!!! lol.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on October 25, 2004, 12:51:52 pm
^tokyopop is gay
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on October 25, 2004, 01:44:42 pm
Sorry guys... I'm in Japan for a year. That wouldn't be so bad, but my laptop is broken and my dorm's internet access is so badly firewalled/proxied that I wouldn't be able to do anything but browse the internet anyway... no games, IRC, FTP, nada. So I'm sorry to say that my not being able to edit this time around will induce a bit of a delay. :\

I'm still working on trying to fix things, though... somehow...
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Post by: KillJoy on October 25, 2004, 08:36:42 pm
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Sorry guys... I'm in Japan for a year. That wouldn't be so bad, but my laptop is broken and my dorm's internet access is so badly firewalled/proxied that I wouldn't be able to do anything but browse the internet anyway... no games, IRC, FTP, nada. So I'm sorry to say that my not being able to edit this time around will induce a bit of a delay. :\

I'm still working on trying to fix things, though... somehow...


how about loading into a website that acts as a proxy that would load the pages for you?  Thats what people usually have to do when they want to get somewhere from work etc.

thats just one idea though
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on October 26, 2004, 12:59:06 am
NOOOOO! that means dealing with less that good fan subs.
not again.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on October 26, 2004, 01:10:42 am
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Sorry guys... I'm in Japan for a year. That wouldn't be so bad, but my laptop is broken and my dorm's internet access is so badly firewalled/proxied that I wouldn't be able to do anything but browse the internet anyway... no games, IRC, FTP, nada. So I'm sorry to say that my not being able to edit this time around will induce a bit of a delay. :\

I'm still working on trying to fix things, though... somehow...


>.< sucks to have dorm connections....i feel your pain tho~ i'll be in your position in two months time.  

Can you try and ask them to open some ports? I had a friend who couldn't even update her website thru the host site or ftp or whatnot and they were nice enough to open up certain ports for her after a ...LOT of pestering. It's worth a try ;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on October 26, 2004, 02:04:00 am
I think he has to do something for more power if he's gonna compete with Bunta in the Scooby.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 26, 2004, 04:33:25 am
Not necessarily more power, but more along the lines of ryousuke's weight saving.

Saving weight not only helps acceleration, but all aspects of the car's handling, braking, etc.  Especially if it's unsprung weight (I.E. lightweight rims/tires).  Also, lowering the center of gravity helps a lot, along with corner weighting the car (to acheive a 50/50 weight distrobution not only front/rear but also left/right).  I think he's got a long way to go before he needs more power.  Keep in mind, he's got a race engine under the hood.

As for competing with Bunta, Takumi's got a long way to go before he can even hope to compete. (driving style/tecnique wise, not car wise)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrEVOIII on October 26, 2004, 04:42:07 am
EPISODES 7 & 8 SUBBED!!!!
Thanks to one of our members.

Episodes can be found at:  http://thewirdsdomain.com/anime.htm

In another forums called http://idforums.net someone there made subs for it. But also we are all anxiously awaiting for L-E's premium quality release of Initial D.

===DrEVOIII representing IDW Forums (idforums.net)===

ADDED: If you goto the forums that I linked for you guys, you guys can also find all Initial D songs if you post in the Music section of the forums.  There are members there like myself who is willing to help you guys out. (Note: You must register and become a member in order to view the Music part of the forums)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Shouji_Shingo on October 26, 2004, 05:16:04 am
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Not necessarily more power, but more along the lines of ryousuke's weight saving.

Saving weight not only helps acceleration, but all aspects of the car's handling, braking, etc.  Especially if it's unsprung weight (I.E. lightweight rims/tires).


I dont think that there are too many more rims that are as light as the Watanabe/Panasport/Mini-lite.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 26, 2004, 05:50:05 am
true, but there's always suspension pieces that could be lightened, brakes, etc.  the rims and tires were just an example.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on October 26, 2004, 04:37:18 pm
I've already wasted hundreds of dollars in Arcade Version for initial-D already and i am getting bored of the game already i decided to quit the game though hope for version 4 for it to come out in singapore and maybe i will make a come back with my eVo-4 keke :p cheers initial-d and please man the anime is taking too long already months and months only 2 each coming out damn my patience is already dieing subber please make it fast as possible dude keke ^^ but anyway you guys did great gambate yoo !!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on October 27, 2004, 12:23:00 am
Just cause Yoten's busy doesn't mean the rest of us can't get you your fix of cars.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on October 27, 2004, 05:29:35 am
I would go into saying we are all doomed doomed doomed.... but I've lost my voice so my invader zim impression sucks.

So everything is tip top hunky dorey in the outlook of getting another Initial D episode soon.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: doodlekent on October 27, 2004, 08:22:17 am
I'm sure you guys would have already known these stuff to help you out of firewalls....

Free - http://www.nocrew.org/software/httptunnel.html
Paid - http://www.http-tunnel.com/html/

Posting it  just in case you forgot.
Also, most of the time port 443 out going (https) can be used to do an outgoing connection.  Am sure you could get a machine on the internet to run SSH on port 443.  That should be another way.

Hope it helps you help everyone here come up with a release soon :-)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: firebert on October 27, 2004, 08:32:15 am
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EPISODES 7 & 8 SUBBED!!!!
Thanks to one of our members.

Episodes can be found at:  http://thewirdsdomain.com/anime.htm

In another forums called http://idforums.net someone there made subs for it. But also we are all anxiously awaiting for L-E's premium quality release of Initial D.

===DrEVOIII representing IDW Forums (idforums.net)===


sweet thanks man.. that should tie me over until LE release theirs (by my estimates, another 5 1/2 weeks or so) idfourms.net has been very helpful as well.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on October 27, 2004, 10:50:48 am
I think tokyopop sux just for Initial D cuz they ruined their anime style and not to mention puttin on rock musics instead of Eurobeats, com on now eurobeats go well w/ Initial D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on October 27, 2004, 09:01:53 pm
So yea... I just registered, since I check this forum almost daily. I'm a car nut, and another Subaru driver (GC6) so yea.

So um... hello fellow Initial D fans. :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 27, 2004, 09:48:48 pm
welcome to the board!!! now post your 4-door and go join nasioc
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on October 28, 2004, 12:32:04 am
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welcome to the board!!! now post your 4-door and go join nasioc



I'm already a member of nasioc actually. ;) Been there for a while.

Here's my car after a bath ;) :
(http://www.just-j.net/images/dirtside.jpg)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on October 28, 2004, 12:35:52 am
duh, maybe I should post my nasioc name, it's Jewbaru. I rarely post much anymore tho.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on October 29, 2004, 12:50:38 am
for a tag line...  I can say my other car is a pair of sketchers?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: makakazo on October 29, 2004, 01:31:09 am
OMG i did it again, i just watched a little of 4th Stage episode 7 from the RAW and i can't wait to watch them!

I'm also doing a spanish fansub version of ID 4th stage based on LE-IDE releases -you got credit in the opening- and i'm beginning to worry about the leechers starting to spam mi inbox :D

Live-Evil rocks, Initial D rocks, having the RAWs before the fansub doesn't rock at all!!! :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on October 29, 2004, 05:03:23 am
So I downloaded the MVk files of ID 4 Ep7-8.  It plays but there are supposed to be subs but they dont show.  I saw seven subbed already from avi.  How do i get the subs to show.  Im signed on for too many forums.  Please answer me here im tired of typing/remembering all those names/pass.  Please...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Tofuboi on October 29, 2004, 05:38:09 am
Download the playback pack from here: http://ld-anime.faireal.net/guide/mkv-eng install and you can see the subs
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on October 29, 2004, 10:33:46 pm
Thank YOu Tofuboi.  much appreciated.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrEVOIII on October 30, 2004, 09:35:40 am
EPISODES 7 & 8 SUBBED!!!!  
Ok, I know that you guys will not read back up the posts so Im posting this again, until L-E releases their version.
Thanks to one of our members.  

http://thewirdsdomain.com/anime.htm
 
In another forums called http://idforums.net someone there made the subs for it. But also we are all anxiously awaiting for L-E's premium quality release of Initial D.
 
===DrEVOIII representing IDW Forums (idforums.net)===  
 
ADDED: If you goto the forums that I linked for you guys, you guys can also find all Initial D songs if you post in the Music section of the forums.  There are members there like myself who is willing to help you guys out. (Note: You must register and become a member in order to view the Music part of the forums)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hippopotomoose on October 30, 2004, 10:05:33 am
I read it earlier like everyone else.  I got tired of waiting for LE.  where are those songs on idf Dr.guy?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: firebert on October 30, 2004, 10:14:41 am
wasted my time downloading it.. damn mkv! cant get it to work on win 98SE nomatter how many codecs i download. and no i will not upgrade. well unless somebody give me a free upgrade disc.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrEVOIII on October 30, 2004, 02:50:06 pm
hippopotomoose, you need to register and then log in.  Then you will be able to view the music section of the forums and then you could either post there and ask if anyone there has that song. There are ALWAYS members there to help.  And dont forget to mention who introduced you there!! ---> DrEVOIII <---
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on October 30, 2004, 03:26:08 pm
u don't need to download codecs =.=

just download VLC Player... damn it i wish forums would stick this... go dl VLC Player it plays MANY MANY different media files without the need of dling codecs...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on October 31, 2004, 02:19:32 am
For those of you who are patient enough to wait for our subs things are moving along a little.  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on October 31, 2004, 02:50:23 am
thats good to hear spymon... thanks for the work =D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on October 31, 2004, 03:32:20 am
So, any ROUGH ESTIMATE on when we can expect to see them? (1 week, 3 weeks? no, we wont hold you to it)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: firebert on October 31, 2004, 07:48:08 am
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u don't need to download codecs =.=

just download VLC Player... damn it i wish forums would stick this... go dl VLC Player it plays MANY MANY different media files without the need of dling codecs...


Thanks man, I finally got to watch it after having the files in my comp for 4 days not knowing what to do with them...

Man eps 7 is freakin incrediable, non-stop action till the end!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on October 31, 2004, 10:28:03 am
Lets bet, I say within the next 2 weeks, that eps 7-8 r out in eng sub
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrEVOIII on October 31, 2004, 02:53:22 pm
EPISODES 7 & 8 SUBBED!!!!  
Ok, I know that you guys will not read back up the posts so Im posting this again, until L-E releases their version.
Thanks to one of our members.  

http://thewirdsdomain.com/anime.htm
 
In another forums called http://idforums.net someone there made the subs for it. But also we are all anxiously awaiting for L-E's premium quality release of Initial D.
 
===DrEVOIII representing IDW Forums (idforums.net)===  
 
ADDED: If you goto the forums that I linked for you guys, you guys can also find all Initial D songs if you post in the Music section of the forums.  There are members there like myself who is willing to help you guys out. (Note: You must register and become a member in order to view the Music part of the forums)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: debchan on October 31, 2004, 05:52:34 pm
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EPISODES 7 & 8 SUBBED!!!!  
Ok, I know that you guys will not read back up the posts so Im posting this again, until L-E releases their version.


I do, actually.  3 notices are more than enough, don't you think?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: debchan on October 31, 2004, 05:53:59 pm
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For those of you who are patient enough to wait for our subs things are moving along a little.  


Thanks for the update, Spymon!  It will be worth the wait. :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on November 01, 2004, 08:34:28 am
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Lets bet, I say within the next 2 weeks, that eps 7-8 r out in eng sub


i'll bet $500 they won't be (hey spymon wanna tell the team to hold the subs for 2 weeks... i'll split the money with u guys... 20:80)  ;D

who's more goowak now?  [smiley=biggrin.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 01, 2004, 11:09:30 am
^

LOL
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on November 02, 2004, 12:29:54 am
I'm not too worried about it as I'll have to move in a few weeks and be unable to download them till then.

laters
Jeff
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: icecold on November 02, 2004, 06:52:03 am
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1345&item=5930675603&rd=1
i was just searching around and look what i happened to find.
isnt that weird though
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on November 02, 2004, 07:00:49 am
not really...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on November 02, 2004, 09:01:15 am
damn man is the team workin? I mean the DVD is out already too
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: xiaochefy on November 02, 2004, 07:36:54 pm
hey guys initial-d 4th stage dvd is out issit really true than i wanna go purchase it than please notice it here and than may i know 1st 2nd 3rd is all out issit really true ? so that i can go get it all thanks alot please someone here help me and notice it all out thanks alot love you guys and especially L-E THANKS
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on November 02, 2004, 10:22:33 pm
goowakjai meant the e-bay item a few posts up.  

It IS a dvd, but it's not the official thing, its a quick eng/chinese sub job by some people who wanna make a buck off of fansubbing.  I wouldn't trust it tho those things can get quite "ugly" =P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on November 02, 2004, 11:06:10 pm
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hey guys initial-d 4th stage dvd is out issit really true than i wanna go purchase it than please notice it here and than may i know 1st 2nd 3rd is all out issit really true ? so that i can go get it all thanks alot please someone here help me and notice it all out thanks alot love you guys and especially L-E THANKS




one word... PUNCTUATION

it can turn incoherent ramblings into shakespere...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on November 03, 2004, 12:45:41 am
well he did have a single..."?" =P i had more prob with the "issit" but who's counting? hehe.....
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Post by: KillJoy on November 03, 2004, 06:31:10 pm
how many episodes are left again?  is it 6?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 04, 2004, 12:28:32 am
It will be six as soon as we get Ep7. & 8.  Six is certainly not enough, I wonder how long they'll make me wait for 5th stage. and the live action movie.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on November 04, 2004, 07:38:14 am
I think 5th stage is going to come sooner than 4th did because they are getting so much attention is why 4th got picked up to start with.

lots of story left to go in the Manga right?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 04, 2004, 10:21:49 am
Is there anyway of reading the manga's stateside short of going to a comic shop?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DiSoNeAzNfLiP2o9 on November 04, 2004, 01:32:52 pm
aye people just checking out this site and a newbie here. haha. aye initial d 4th stage Episode 7 and 8 just came out but i wonder when u guys gonna put the english subs on 7 and 8 though just let meh knoe whenever aight then peace.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on November 04, 2004, 07:05:12 pm
welcome, yeah~ LE is busy subbing it as we speak.  They're trying to put out quality stuff here so it might take a little while longer......

but I warn you now, DON'T ask when releases will come out.  If they do they set the release date back more...so just DON'T ask. jus keep checking back and chat with everyone :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on November 04, 2004, 08:00:06 pm
I love social hour here anyways as you can see by the number of posts I have.

I'm very happy with the quailty of subs from L-E and it makes up for any feeling of waiting. I always suggest grabbing another series from their list.  Honestly there are other anime besides just Initial D and you can enjoy all their series with wonderful subs.


If anyone hasn't noticed there is hope that sucking up helps too.  j/k
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: crazysmoke on November 05, 2004, 02:24:05 am
i just saw ep 7 and 8 subbed by someone else. Still waiting for the live-evil version tho.

Dude!!!! ep 7 kicks ass. u get to see uphill racing finally in 8.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: makakazo on November 05, 2004, 02:16:47 pm
Do anyone know if there is a manga scanlation of Initial D and who do it? I don't plan on reading the manga before watching the anime, but i like to keep mangas of my favourite animes.
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Post by: Spymon on November 06, 2004, 12:54:02 am
Our ID4 eps are coming slowl but surely.  Just a few more stages left to go in the process.
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 06, 2004, 02:01:12 am
What a guy, looking out for the fans like that. You rock Spymon!!
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Post by: angelan on November 06, 2004, 04:24:42 am
yay! hehe....Spymon, our inside connection :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: KillJoy on November 06, 2004, 04:40:08 am
Soon is good.
Later is o.k.  
Never would be a shame.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Love_Eun_Hye on November 06, 2004, 09:35:35 pm
I'm still waiting patiently for LE's ID4. ;D
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Post by: GooWakJai on November 07, 2004, 10:21:26 am
dude im waitin......Im waitin.....its been a long time....but im still waitin :-/
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Post by: chAi on November 07, 2004, 04:23:13 pm
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dude im waitin......Im waitin.....its been a long time....but im still waitin :-/


lies!!  :P
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Post by: DrEVOIII on November 08, 2004, 02:26:14 am
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Do anyone know if there is a manga scanlation of Initial D and who do it? I don't plan on reading the manga before watching the anime, but i like to keep mangas of my favourite animes.

Yea, Inane. You can find it in their IRC channel.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: firebert on November 08, 2004, 02:35:36 am
it'll take less time just learning japanese, lol
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Post by: DARCnarc on November 08, 2004, 04:53:06 pm
hey how many days did it take last time afta it was realeased, coz i gotta theory that the times are increasing exponentially, just gotta figure out a model,  start at 5 (or wateva) add a couple of days for next, month or so for next.......... mb a yr for this 1?

(i just figure that, like in naruto, if i purposely think against wat i really want, i'll trick the system and it will b opposite!!)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: ITR on November 08, 2004, 07:44:39 pm
In Italy we say "che due palle!"...litterally "two balls"

L-E are the best...and there's no doubt about it, but when you are the best and you get a job, you MUST finish it.

It's a nonsense that another Funsub makes its release before L-E...or maybe L-E has given us a bad habit, releasing the first episodes in 3 days.... :-/

;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on November 09, 2004, 12:28:32 am
all you whiners need to chill out, they have a life to you know. you got to stop bitching and wait, if you dont like then go find another sub or see if you can sub it yourself, if you can"t sub it then shut the hell up and be patient. God, these impatient little kids these days, chill out, go outside or something, maybe talking to the opposite sex won"t hurt iether.
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Post by: herbstnebel on November 09, 2004, 03:13:57 am
Hi Live-Evils!

I just read through the whole 38 pages of this thread and now I'm really exhausted and appreciate your work and patience even more than before...

I really really like the work you've done with Initial D so far and I hope you just as much enjoyed it as I do!
All Editing is very accurate and the translation is fantastic, because I actually understand all this car-talk-thingies :-*

I'd like to share this wallpaper with the fans of Initial D and the staff working on it, since this is the only thing I can do to cheer you on ^_^
Hope, you'll like it.

(http://de.geocities.com/herbstnebels/ac/initiald02b_th.jpg)
http://de.geocities.com/herbstnebels/ac/initiald02b.jpg

Wish you good luck and fun with everything you do!

And to your fans: Have fun anticipating the real thing   [smiley=biggrin.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on November 09, 2004, 03:51:34 am
nice wallie kittenjoy!!!!! :D ooh and welcome!! ;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: ITR on November 09, 2004, 05:17:07 am
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God, these impatient little kids these days, chill out, go outside or something, maybe talking to the opposite sex won"t hurt iether.


You're right....I'll warm up the engine [smiley=biggrin.gif]

(http://homeritr.supereva.it/DeskDrft.jpg)
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Post by: chAi on November 09, 2004, 07:17:04 am
does that look like a toy car to neone else? *note the miata reference*
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Post by: hellbent on November 09, 2004, 07:27:29 am
I really cant tell, sorts looks like a toy, but note the driver and the hands, so I'll just say thats one hellva pic, very nice and decieving
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on November 09, 2004, 10:47:05 am
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all you whiners need to chill out, they have a life to you know. you got to stop bitching and wait, if you dont like then go find another sub or see if you can sub it yourself, if you can"t sub it then shut the hell up and be patient. God, these impatient little kids these days, chill out, go outside or something, maybe talking to the opposite sex won"t hurt iether.



My my, look who's talkin bout chillin down huh?  dude im mature enough to wait, but all im sayin is that its been a while now and there process r slower than before, thats ALL im sayin, im not complainin or sueing ok so U chill k?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on November 09, 2004, 07:42:35 pm
ya both chill :D

yeah that looks a little like a toy car, but I highly doubt it's a toy unless the guy took lots of time to PS this photo together ;) In which case, kudos to him for that :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: ITR on November 09, 2004, 10:22:17 pm
Ehr ehm....it looks like a toy but it's REAL ehehhehe

That is me last week on Varano Circuit in ITA...It was a very very very rainy day.... :cool

...I'm a little Dorifto student ;)
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Post by: chAi on November 09, 2004, 11:05:16 pm
he haX0rz the track and put a giant RC Miata there =p
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 10, 2004, 03:50:53 am
It's a real Miata. They just look like that; cheap plasticy crap.
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Post by: makakazo on November 10, 2004, 08:19:34 pm
The grass on the pic looks fake
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Post by: ITR on November 10, 2004, 10:12:53 pm
Are you really talkin about the realism of the pics???

Geez....what a suspicius guys........ ::)


[link]http://gipsyna6.altervista.org/varanodriftday/[/link]


Satisfied?  ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on November 10, 2004, 11:51:06 pm
Yay, someone sent us a wallpaper.  Being friendly goes a long way!
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Post by: Vryel on November 11, 2004, 03:46:35 pm
Only difference between men and boys is the size of their toys...  [smiley=biggrin.gif]

Ciao Gla, pure qui?  ;D





Whoops, wrong way.  ::)

(http://gipsyna6.altervista.org/varanodriftday/images/DSCN6922.JPG)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 11, 2004, 09:53:29 pm
:( ..........so ogly!
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Post by: tooocool49723 on November 11, 2004, 10:28:10 pm
understeer is bad mmmkay??

(http://www.cardmagnets.com/SouthPark/SPK17%20.JPG)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sun_Tze on November 12, 2004, 04:09:56 am
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:( ..........so ogly!



I would prefer 10 times a MX-5 (aka Miata) to a Civic... but I'm biased, sinced i drived once a RX-8... can't believe it? Here's the proof:

(http://img38.exs.cx/img38/3963/IM000585-2.jpg)

Left: MX-3 V6 from a friend, Right: Brand New RX-8 that came to a guy that lives near me.  [smiley=46249910.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: phoker on November 12, 2004, 11:03:57 am
maybe u guys have forgetten but ideology does this shit with Lie Evil too....maybe u should thank them as well
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Post by: ITR on November 12, 2004, 05:39:41 pm
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Ciao Gla, pure qui?

Ciao Nik...si ma ti dirò che mi sembrano un po' cazzoni sti qui...devono essere ragazzini  :-/



anyway, it's true, L-E is working with Ideology for ID4....so I'm going stress them too....eheheheh  ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vryel on November 12, 2004, 09:40:13 pm
Lascia stare, ce ne sono un paio che si salvano; certi altri sono qui per fare pubblicità ai loro gruppi (vedi il tizio che propone ogni 10 post la sua versione degli episodi che i L-E non hanno ancora finito di subbare)...  ::)

Ma noi siamo qui per le fansub, no?  [smiley=biggrin.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 12, 2004, 11:09:50 pm
Civics AND Miata's SUCK!!! Scooby owns all. BOW DOWN to Bunta's Ver5 STI
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Post by: Vryel on November 12, 2004, 11:37:41 pm
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Civics AND Miata's SUCK!!! Scooby owns all.


::)

:-X
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on November 14, 2004, 04:45:36 am
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Civics AND Miata's SUCK!!! Scooby owns all. BOW DOWN to Bunta's Ver5 STI

I give you two thumbs...................DOWN! quit being picky kid, get w/ reality
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sun_Tze on November 14, 2004, 07:21:03 am
*mutters something about most STi's being Police cars in Portugal*

I rest my case.  [smiley=biggrin.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on November 14, 2004, 11:39:43 am
Wat police policy??
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on November 15, 2004, 02:48:34 am
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*mutters something about most STi's being Police cars in Portugal*

I rest my case.  [smiley=biggrin.gif]

And in Japan they use Skylines and RX-7s for patrolling the Wangam  ::)

As a MX-5 (formerly supercharged) and FD3 RX-7 owner I must talk about ....

Any news on when episodes 7 and 8 will be out in L-E subtitled format ?  ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 15, 2004, 05:17:21 am
"SOME" civics can pass as fast, more often than not some basshead ricer drives the damn thing and it's no challenge, and Miatas just plain suck sucketty suck suck suck....... sucka. Impreza's own all, hands down... and don't ask me where your thumbs belong... I've heard the stories..... you sicko.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 15, 2004, 01:32:50 pm
^
imprezas dont own all, so stfu.
where u live u will prob see "riced" civics cos america is gay.  all this americanised bs is lame.  u have probably never driven either a civic or mx-5.  u dont know shit, stfu.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: krazykunt on November 15, 2004, 07:45:24 pm
the civic type R and the miata are one of the best fwd drive chassis' on the market today.
theyre great cars for track racing which is what initial D is all about.
You dont see Takumi and his Dad lining em up at a red light.
If initial D was all about drag racing, you think Takumi would be driving an 86 model toyota corolla?

seriously... i bet none of you even drive a half decent car let alone know about cars. your arguments arent based on anything...
"just plain suck sucketty suck suck suck....... sucka."
your a faggot dude. who talks like this cept when theyre scoring a tranny prostitute.

ill keep it simple... i mite get one of you kids confused.

how can you compare a 1.6L 4 cyl naturally aspirated honda motor to a 2.0L 4 cyl boxer motor thats turbo charged?

Most of you would have never even see a civic type R in your lives.
you cant compare a Civic type R to your moms base model civic.
its like comparing an GX impreza to an impreza WRX STi.

so many racer wannabes out there nowadays.
i hate that movie the fast and the furious.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mirage on November 15, 2004, 07:51:38 pm
hey, krazykunt you just lost all credibility...Miatas are RWD, seems to me like you're the idiot   :-*
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vash on November 15, 2004, 08:57:00 pm
This is now longest post on the forums X_X
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on November 15, 2004, 11:17:53 pm
Waaahhh - I'm only after finding out how the work is going so I can get my fix.  I'm only 5 weeks into my beginners Japanese cause so I'm sod all use as a helper.

However ... I've done 25 separate track days in my MX-5 (and 2 in the FD3), 8 or 9 of them with a supercharger on.  I've mixed with all sorts of vehicles in all sorts of stages of tuning, so I am in a reasonable position to comment.  With a tweaked suspension setup, there was little to touch my MX-5 on corner speeds excepting elises and the lotus-7 clones (caterhams, westfields, etc), I used to loose out on the straights, less so once super charged.  Some cars are very good on the track, the Mitsubishi Evo 6, for one, is superbly ballanced (just a shame about the front disks warping very quickly), however other 'performance' cars do not.  Now on gravel they may do well, and in a straight line they may be quick, but on the track, very little under-steers as much as a subaru imprezza turbo/WRX/sti.  We're talking serious under-steer here.  Net result is they are slow, have poor corner exit speeds and have a reputation for crashing as drivers ignore the no-racing rules and trying to keep up with others.

Now you've just reminded me I need to get the FD3 on the track for some serious fun (and yet another set of brake pads), so until then, here's to those volunteer translators we should be harrying ^^
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 16, 2004, 02:23:26 am
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the civic type R and the miata are one of the best fwd drive chassis' on the market today.
theyre great cars for track racing which is what initial D is all about.
You dont see Takumi and his Dad lining em up at a red light.
If initial D was all about drag racing, you think Takumi would be driving an 86 model toyota corolla?

seriously... i bet none of you even drive a half decent car let alone know about cars. your arguments arent based on anything...
"just plain suck sucketty suck suck suck....... sucka."
your a faggot dude. who talks like this cept when theyre scoring a tranny prostitute.

ill keep it simple... i mite get one of you kids confused.

how can you compare a 1.6L 4 cyl naturally aspirated honda motor to a 2.0L 4 cyl boxer motor thats turbo charged?

Most of you would have never even see a civic type R in your lives.
you cant compare a Civic type R to your moms base model civic.
its like comparing an GX impreza to an impreza WRX STi.

so many racer wannabes out there nowadays.
i hate that movie the fast and the furious.


^
I totally agree.  wats all this crap about quarter mile shit.  drag racing on the streets is lame.
as for fast and furious...WORST MOVIE EVER
"RACE WARS MAN!!!  Lets go out into the DESERT and DRAG RACE!!  The HOT air is good for our engines cos we dont know shit!!  i live my life a quarter mile at a time becos im a fag!!"
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on November 16, 2004, 04:25:52 am
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hey, krazykunt you just lost all credibility...Miatas are RWD, seems to me like you're the idiot   :-*


thats not all he's missed... the STi is a 4 cylinder 2.5L TurboCharged Boxer... the Vanilla WRX is the 2.0L... krazy u sure got the idiot part down...

secondly civics are decent... they're not bad and they're not the greatest... don't make them out to be some uber godly shit... yes 9000 rpm's is sekshi...

third Miatas are also pretty decent... its one of the few remaining rwd cars for under 30k... they're weight ratio is awesome...

finally supra sayian u also just lost your credibility as well... the desert = temperate extreme climate zone.... at night the desert is damn cold... and in the winter... it hardly ever goes above 70 degrees faranheit which means average temps are in the low 50's... i dunno what it is in celcius or i woulda converted it...
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Post by: GooWakJai on November 16, 2004, 06:03:39 am
I hope Initial D is not licensed
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 16, 2004, 06:40:12 am
Chai, u do realise that the japanese STis are 2 litre engines?  Correct me if i'm wrong but only the  North American STi models are 2.5 litre.  I know for a fact that Australian STis are 2 litre engines as are the japanese models (other than the 22b)

 



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WRX STi spec C TYPE RA
2.0 DOHC 16&#12496;&#12523;&#12502; AVCS &#12484;&#12452;&#12531;&#12473;&#12463;&#12525;&#12540;&#12523;&#12479;&#12540;&#12508;
6MT

http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/spec_c_RA/05/index.html

(http://www.alwaystuning.com/ita/fastandfuriours/images/race%20wars%203.jpg)

(http://www.alwaystuning.com/ita/fastandfuriours/images/race%20wars%204.jpg)


(http://www.alwaystuning.com/ita/fastandfuriours/images/race%20wars%205.jpg)

(http://www.alwaystuning.com/ita/fastandfuriours/images/race%20wars%206.jpg)


(http://www.alwaystuning.com/ita/fastandfuriours/images/race%20wars%206.jpg)

I understand that at night, the desert is cold and during the day when the sun's out, its hot.  Unless in america there are magical deserts that are always cold
You tell me...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: krazykunt on November 16, 2004, 08:16:26 am
chAi whos the idiot now.. seems like you wouldnt know ur dick from ur ass.
as Supra_Saiyan mentioned, the japanese STi are equiped with an EJ20, a 2.0L boxer motor.
Bunta aint exactly ur redneck yank like yourself is he?
i was defending the civic... as im a Honda driver. But still the point remains that the civic and miata are designed for track use, not drags.

Also, only the civic type R is equiped with the 9k rpm revving B16B. one of the higher power per litre output n/a engines (assuming EK9 chassis) as the new EP3 CTR is equiped with a K series motor.
Most other dohc vtec civics only rev out to 8k. And as i mentioned before, you'd never even seen a CTR in your life. as its not eligible for import to America or even Australia for that matter.
"secondly, civics are decent"
hahahha dont make me laugh, pretending u know shit.

Plenty of rwd cars on the market under 30k in Japan, so stop pullin shit out of ur ass.

Supra_Saiyan is right. looks like theyre running during the day in heat.
Only goes to show how fucked up a movie FnF is. Its bred all these wannabes who live vicariously through movies and anime...

chAi = [smiley=poischich.gif] (you never had any credibility to lose it) you have just OWNED yourself.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: aiya_the_aussie on November 16, 2004, 09:54:37 am
krazy all cars r eligble for imports (not as brand new of course)... it just have to comply to whatever the country's standards the car is arriving at...

for example..in australia we have a few series 8 type r rx7... and a few tommy kaira r33... u be surprise of what car we can get

btw civics and mx5 r great car...if u a girl... its cute and small...



Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: _v0rani on November 16, 2004, 10:31:40 am
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krazy all cars r eligble for imports (not as brand new of course)... it just have to comply to whatever the country's standards the car is arriving at...

for example..in australia we have a few series 8 type r rx7... and a few tommy kaira r33... u be surprise of what car we can get

btw civics and mx5 r great car...if u a girl... its cute and small...





All cars are not eligble for import for all countries and their citizens, ie toyota chasers and honda civic type r are not eligble for import in australia unless you are on a 2 year working visa or via illegal rebirthing methods. Go read your DOTARS before you bother to argue this point for australian cars.

mx-5 is a great car ... if your a girl... or if you have a cams licence and actually do track racing in australia so do more research or actually go to oran park raceway before you talk.

Honda engines actually get more praise from motorcar review magazines because its na engines are better designed than most other car manufacturers who must bolt on turbines to make up for their crappy (and inability to) designed engines.

And yes, lets all compare a smaller capacity honda engine (1.6 litre sohc) to a boxer turbocharged engine 2 litre dohc turbo). there is only a $25,000au difference in their prices and their capacity. Gee i wonder which car would win in a race (if the guy using a ek4 spent that difference in money to tune his/her car  [smiley=biggrin.gif])

If you wanted a true comparison try putting you put a Sti against a Monaro (Pontiac GTO) which only has a difference of $5,000 or a SS which is less than the Sti. The Monaro or SS would smoke the Sti with ease. (FYI the subaru would also breakdown alot more than the Monaro/SS over its lifetime and would probably have a even lower resale value unless you were fortunate enough to score a limited ed handmade wrx)

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 16, 2004, 10:39:44 am
^ You can import chasers now

My friend has imported the first JZX100 Chaser Tourer V in Canberra.  
However we cant import the Tourer S models cos the 1jz-ge doesnt make our power to weight ratio requirements and so can't be complied.
The tourer V is an awesome car

HSV GTO
6 Litre V8
0-100kph Man = 5.2 sec
RRP $78, 690 AUD (base model, no options)

Subaru WRX STi (australian spec..the jap one is faster)
2 Litre Turbo Boxer
0-100kph MAn = 5.5 sec
RRP $56, 630 AUD

Can you really compare a GTO with a STi?  $22, 060 price difference.  you're comparing a SIX LITRE v8 to a TWO LITRE Flat 4.  I'd rather buy an STi, use the $20000 and spend it on suspension mods, possibly some power/drivetrain mods and smoke you at any track.  Besides, you are buying a QUALITY car when purchasing an STi(eg recaro bucket seats, brembo brake callipers, grippy potenza tires).  It's not like its the best car ever made as usagi yojimbo thinks but its value for money compared to local offerings

Dont believe these figures?

go here http://subaru.com.au/explore/impreza/specifications.asp?item=23447

http://www.hsv.com.au

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: aiya_the_aussie on November 16, 2004, 10:54:40 am
vorani what did i said?

"it just have to comply to whatever the country's standards the car is arriving at... "

what im saying is that u can export any car out of japan...the japan government cant stop u from taking it out of japan....

oh yeah theres a few chasers for sale here 2....

y do ppl so eager to flame other ppl...

mx5 is great handling car.... every car got its good points and  bad points... but 120kw for the turbo mx5...no matter how u look at it its way underpower...esp for track....unless all ur cars r na 4 cylc cars...

and how is a 2L 4 cycl true comparison with a 5L v8?? my maths is not that good but aint that more than double the engine size?

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: _v0rani on November 16, 2004, 04:03:32 pm
saiyan and aiya, try this (note all australian prices) as i am comparing purely on price...


STI
$56,630RRP
0-100km in 5.9sec

LA-EP3
$37,336RRP
0-62mph(100km) in 6.6sec

GF-EK9
expect to get at $22,000
0-62mph(100km) in 5.7sec

XR6T MKII
$45,205RRP
0-100km in 6sec

SS VZ
$50,990RRP
0-100km in 5.9sec

Monaro CV8 VZ (which is known as a pontiac gto in america).  
retails for $60,490 RRP
0-100km in 5.7sec

Ok Monaro isnt flash, but when looking at the other comparisons i dont see why your precious sti is so great, with the price differences of all the other cars you could easily work them to be faster, on top of that its pretty common knowledge that you can work a wrx to be faster than a sti..


All in all IF i could have any car out of that lot it would still be the ek9 (not possible unless i steal the one in melbourne/brisbane; get a working visa and go to new zealand to get one; buy every single part and change a ek4), 1.because police arent going to pull them over as much as the sti (and any imprezza that looks like a rex as it has gotten a bad rep over the years by all the tards who think its wrc on the roads), 2. its teh sex. if i could have any car period, i'd take the batmobile  8) with all the batman mods -_-.

aiya, ok point granted you can get some chasers into the country, but not all, which brings me back to the point not all cars can be imported into all countries.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: krazykunt on November 16, 2004, 04:23:27 pm
The problem isnt with getting it out of Japan, its gettin the car through customs in Australia and gettin it road registered.
_v0rani is right, the only legal method of importing a civic type R to Australia is as a personal private import where you've must of owned the car for more than a year in another country.
Most import cars you see in Australia are imported under SEVS, but only a select few cars may be imported under this scheme as cars like the civic type R which share most of its chassis characteristics with a locally produced version deem it non eligible under the SEVS scheme.
Although nowadays in Australia, cars older than 15 years are all eligible for import. Thus, were seeing a current flock of r32 GTR's into Australia.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: krazykunt on November 16, 2004, 04:36:16 pm
Also, i think we may be seeing a different monaro/GTO here, thus explaining the price difference.
Coz the one on that site has a gen4 6.0L v8.
Whereas the one currently on the market in Australia, the same one marketed in the US as the GTO is equiped with a gen3 5.7L v8 and looks different to the one of that site.

but hey, comparing a 2.0L 4cyl FI turbo charged motor to a 5.7L v8 would be more reasonable than comparing it to a 1.6L naturally aspirated motor.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 16, 2004, 05:56:34 pm
^
Yeah, i was looking at the HSV GTO
meh
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sun_Tze on November 16, 2004, 06:43:47 pm
For just 45000 euros, you can buy one of these here in Portugal:

(http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/03/civictyper04_03.jpg)

Last generation Civic Type-R.

Even though it will be head to head this german made one:

(http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2040921.002/2040921.002.Mini1L.jpg)

Stock engines of both cars:

CTR: Power: 200 bhp / 149 KW @ 7400 rpm | Torque: 196 Nm / 145 ft lbs @ 6500 rpm | Top Speed: 235 km/h / 146 mph

Astra OPC: Power: 240 bhp / 179 KW | Torque: 310 Nm / 229 ft lbs | Top Speed:      240 km/h / 149 mph
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chAi on November 16, 2004, 11:52:14 pm
yes... in america there are magical deserts that are always cold.... IN THE WINTER... they don't go over the low 50's on average like i said...

2 i'm pulling numbers from where i can... i can't read japanese and i don't really care for aussie land since it has little to no relevance to me... as for the bunta deal and japanese STi's... no one ever told me which STi's and from where i just pulled whatever i could... as in the 22b and the American STi's from an older article i have...

3 you can import any cars from anywhere if u live in the US... u just have to buy 2 of them, and get the data from crashing one, then use more money to make it streetable using the data u just got and making it into US Standards... this is the main reason why its so fcuking expensive to import a GTR(r32-r34)

4 I don't live in Japan or Europe... and in america... besides the MR2 Spyder, the Miata and the Mustang i can't think of any other rwd car that's under $30k after taxes... although the RX-8 is really really close... this is in new Stock condition... if i wanted a project car sure... there's more to choose from...

5 yes... the EK9 type R's are decent a Mini would be able to have a decent match with an EK9, and lets not mention anything about the DC2 type R, the new EP3's are better thanks to the K series engine... they're an exception...

finally i never watched the first FnF take that into ur bashing... also if u guys wanted to talk about Aussie land imports say so... don't go around bashing people that don't know where the fcuk u live... its not like i have the fcuking time to click each and one of ur profiles and look it up... i was also not hating on Honda's they're great cars but like i said they're not godlike uber shit... and for your information Civic's make great drag cars... the CRX ranks as one of the top 5 in dragging for FF cars...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 17, 2004, 03:45:51 am
Chai,
(http://forumspam.articblue.nl/user_related/n00b/images/0244.jpg)

Your first point

http://groups.msn.com/fastandthefuriousmovie/charactors.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=263
^ ITs LETTY.  She won "TWO LARGE" as a side bet after winning a drag race

http://groups.msn.com/fastandthefuriousmovie/charactors.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=265

^Its JONNY TRAN and his ESS TWO THOU!!  

Neither of them seem to be affected by the supposed cold climate.  50 F = 10 C.  If it was 10 C i'd be wearing more than just a sleeveless top.

2  Do some research.  Not EVERYTHING revolves around america

6. FYI i think australian cars are crap.  Seriously, take holden for example.  All their sedans look the same.  you cant tell a sedan from a ute until u see the back of the vehicle because they share the same front.  the "sports" versions are just large heavy family sedans with the biggest engine they can find.  no engineering nescessay.  just plonk in a 5 litre V8 in the engine bay, and u got urself a "sports car" What about handling?  doesnt matter, as long as its has power. 'nuff said

 If you wanted to build a drag car, an FF would be the last drive layout you would consider.  As Krazykunt said, CTRs and ITRs are great for track racing.  not quartermile bs.  eg, my friend's DC5 ITR is an awesome track monster.

you're 3rd, 4th and 5th point are irrelevant to me
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: aiya_the_aussie on November 17, 2004, 04:07:02 am
All cars can be imported to Australia.

U can imported it via as a "race import only". However u need to hold a lvl 3 or higher CAMS lic...

u be surprise what cars can get through as normal imports... If you really want and dedicated enough... any car can get through as normal imports...


oh yeah btw FF cars make better drag compare to FR cars in lower power end cars cateogry... and better for amateurs
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 17, 2004, 04:10:00 am
^  yes but isnt the point of drag getting fast times using high powered 4wd or FR cars?

And even though u can import it for race only, that means u cant drive it on the street legally,  You can only drive it on the street if u are driving it to the track with a permit.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: aiya_the_aussie on November 17, 2004, 04:26:19 am
ahha if its not street legal.. u cant drive it anywhere.... unless u driving it on the back of the truck =P

well maybe the way im saying its wrong... what im trying to say is that any cars can be imported to australia as a normal import...however some cars will need to be moded to adhere to the regulation...but u be surprise if u got a good engineer of what u can get away with...

well drag is not only just about high powered cars... if takes skills to run consistent time....although its much more fun with high Kw cars...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: krazykunt on November 17, 2004, 05:31:52 am
the 22B STi is a 2.2L not a 2.5L... why dont u have another guess ...?

And with american imports, stop pulling shit out of ur ass again..
you cant even get a jap import through customs to crash it.
the only way ur gettin one is if its already affixed with an american compliance plate or an american emissions tag and most jap cars wouldnt have one.
The method your thinkin of is illegal, otherwise known as "rebirthing". it involves crashing an american built car with american chassis and vin numbers (if your clever you find a wrecked one with a clean title to salvage the numbers) eg. a 3rd gen LS integra. u then import a complete car of the same chassis seemingly for parts eg. a jap spec DC2 integra type R. then u affix the "data" ie. vin, chassis numbers from the local to the import. thus driving around a j-spec DC2R registered as an american LS integra.
Cant use this method for any gen GTR as no american locally sold cars share the same chassis.
U must of heard of this method somewhere, tried to reproduced what you heard and it just came out all wrong didnt it? coz i sure culdnt make any sense of what u said.. ur OWNING yourself.

how bout the Mitsubishi eclipse? im sure your well aquianted with that car regardless of what you say.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: _v0rani on November 17, 2004, 07:48:39 am
Chai, there's no shame to use a atlas. it's spelt Australia.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vryel on November 17, 2004, 12:09:12 pm
Guys, please: don't forget this is a fansub forum.

Let's put a stop to this whole mess (2 pages of OT, and not very respectful).

Yeah, I know, someone said something not very nice about someone else. So there's no need to be nice to the first "someone", answering to his provocation. Period.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 17, 2004, 04:32:00 pm
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chAi = (http://forum.live-evil.org/YaBBImages/smilies/poischich.gif) (you never had any credibility to lose it) you have just OWNED yourself.


How funny is that smiley?  BUAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 17, 2004, 08:50:57 pm
Damn a lot people talking out there asses, The NEWEST USDM STI is 2.5L they were originally 2.0L Second to comment on whoever told me to STFU, suck it poser. I have in fact driven and owned a Civic , I had a 95 HB: b18c5 swap, GSR Suspension, LS tranny, it was decent, but it was also FWD and only about 190 HP. Imprezas do in fact own all, on the street, on the track, rally, even on the strip but that's not saying much, drag racing is for pussy's, quarter mile at a time, please. and lastly when did this turn into a god damn flame-a-thon, it's supposed to be about fucking cartoon and how we (commonly) enjoy it.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: krazykunt on November 17, 2004, 10:39:23 pm
LOL
Usagi_Yojimbo: Bunta is NOT an american u dipshit nor does he drive the latest model STi. man... you yanks arent very intelligent.

Big claim there. 190whp from a standard B18C5?
pretty complete whack setup with a non-vtec gearbox and standard sussy setup from a heavier car.
If you did really own the car you describe, you would have did the swap yourself?
Which engine harness, ecu, injector wires, o2, knock, IAB sensors, dizzy, injectors, alternator did u use?
And engine mounts, need to change any? or did u use all the standard civic ones?

also, let me be the second to tell you to STFU.. for being a blowass kunt.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on November 18, 2004, 02:15:49 am
FFS - this is meant to be a forum for discussion about the anime Initial D, based on the Manga Initial D, based on the arcade game Initial D.

Also there's a huge amount of cr*p here. - I'm not a scooby fan, they are tractors, but at least I know what they are.  With the exception of the latest US model, ALL (note the capitals) the high performance turbo engined Subaru Imprezzas (be it turbo, WRX, sti, 22B,) have a 2.0 litre boxer engine.  ALL of them.
In the US, due to the yanks not liking 'small engines', the latest version got the 2.5 litre turbo engine from the Subaru Forrester instead.

Now can we please get down to discussing the anime and stop insulting each other or talking utter rubbish.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on November 18, 2004, 03:54:00 am
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Damn a lot people talking out there asses, The NEWEST USDM STI is 2.5L they were originally 2.0L


The irony here, oh man.

The USDM STi was ALWAYS 2.5L. Lucky us, we're the only country to get that engine. (Well, it's offered in other cars in other countries, and there is a company that will cram it into over seas Imprezas, but we're the only country where Subaru offers it off the lot in the Impreza.)

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Imprezas do in fact own all, on the street, on the track, rally, even on the strip but that's not saying much,


No they don't, and please, you don't know wtf you're saying. The Impreza SUCKS for Drag Racing and track days, because it's great for autocross and rally. It's gearing is SHORT, my RS runs at about 4K at 70MPH. Fuel cut in top gear is about 135mph. Not to mention it takes 2 shifts to hit 60 (2nd gear barely get's into the 50s), and 3 for most drag strip runs (I think 3rd runs out in the high 70s). It has awesome short distance times, because that's how it's designed. Get back up to speed in a hurry, even if that speed is low.

Let's not forget the driveline drag from the AWD. Not to mention the horrid aerodynamics. Neither help at high speeds.

Of course, if you weren't talking out of your ass, you'd know this. ;)

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drag racing is for pussy's, quarter mile at a time, please. and lastly when did this turn into a god damn flame-a-thon, it's supposed to be about fucking cartoon and how we (commonly) enjoy it.


Jesus, why do these import fanboys have to Bash drag racing like it's simple.

My best when my Impreza (one Z people!) was turbo'd was 13.81, and I averaged low-mid 14s. It's HARD to properly launch an Impreza, STi or not. Too high and you get wheelspin, too low, and you BOG. Not to mention nailing the shifts while keeping the revs in the proper range, without grenading your tranny (or even launching without lunching first). Don't get me started on trying to drag a FWD car (suck for drag racing) or RWD (good drivers on drag radials can hit 1.6s 60' times, which is nuts, most just spin till they're sideways) I have a vid of me racing a Lightning, I win, but what you don't see is him going damn near sideways on the launch. His truck is 12 second capable, easy.

Drag racing is one of the BEST ways to master your launch technique, and master your shift timing. You don't have to worry about skidding off the track, plus since the surface is so abrasive, it's not as forgiving (read, less wheel slip) than the street.

Let's not forget the skill it takes to properly launch a high power RWD car, not to mention keeping it straight. Did you know that most rail cars, and funny cars usually spin their wheels the whole way down the track? Yea, one little screw up, and they're going home in an Medivac.

If you took the time to actually Drag race on a track, instead of street racing, or rice talking, you might know what you're talking about.

Anyway, back to your regulary scheduled flaming. :)

-J (Bonifide car nut)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on November 18, 2004, 03:59:06 am
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Also there's a huge amount of cr*p here. - I'm not a scooby fan, they are tractors, but at least I know what they are.  With the exception of the latest US model, ALL (note the capitals) the high performance turbo engined Subaru Imprezzas (be it turbo, WRX, sti, 22B,) have a 2.0 litre boxer engine.  ALL of them.
In the US, due to the yanks not liking 'small engines', the latest version got the 2.5 litre turbo engine from the Subaru Forrester instead.


#1) The 22b has a 2.2L engine. Look it up.

#2) 1 Z, 1 R ;)

#3) The 2.5L Turbo motor was in the STi first, not the Forester. It's not the "Small engine", it's the "Subaru wanted a way to get loads of power and torque out of the engine without compromising reliability, and pleasing the American taste for low end power". ;) Oh, and it's completley new.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: icecold on November 18, 2004, 07:52:15 am
also as being americans we aren't as lucky as some other countries.
take australia for example. if my memory serves me correct most of the cars that they can import from japan tend to be smaller cars and have smaller engines than the ones in the US yet they are tuned to produce around the same power giving it a better power to weight ratio then ours. also it is actually legal to drive a street illegal car in the US only as long as you are driving it to the track or strip and back.
just my two cents.
p.s. if you want a fast drag car how is a 1969 firebird with a 540ci big block engine that runs 1/4 miles in 7.0s

^^^^
had to say something about your post about americans wanting a lot of low end power.....A turbo doesnt give you the low end power of a na engine so what im really saying is that the sti wouldnt have a shit load of low end power.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on November 18, 2004, 11:17:48 am
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The 22b has a 2.2L engine. Look it up.

#2) 1 Z, 1 R ;)

#3) The 2.5L Turbo motor was in the STi first, not the Forester. It's not the "Small engine", it's the "Subaru wanted a way to get loads of power and torque out of the engine without compromising reliability, and pleasing the American taste for low end power". ;) Oh, and it's completley new.

You show quotes from REAL subaru sites.
The 22B was a limited edition model with a short ratio gear box and blue print engine to celebrate Richard Burns winning the WRC championship in a subaru imprezza turbo, entrant number 22.
The 2.5 litre engine was not new for the US market and it is not in the STi.  I only said I believed it was from the forrester, not that it defiantely was.  It was not a new engine though and is not used else where in the imprezza range (US excluding in this quote).  The tax break has nothing to do with it (not even sure if you can get the WRX based model in Italy where this is the case), it's down to WRC capacity rules.

(modifications were to get the quote function working).
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on November 18, 2004, 08:12:41 pm
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You show quotes from REAL subaru sites.
The 22B was a limited edition model with a short ratio gear box and blue print engine to celebrate Richard Burns winning the WRC championship in a subaru imprezza turbo, entrant number 22.


Wrong, it was built with a 2.2l stroked EJ20, modified gear box, DCCD, expanded track, special "Tarmac" suspension, lighter wheels, a body kit almost identical to the WRC car's (right up to the adjustable carbon fibre rear spoiler), which was designed by the guy who designed the McLaren F1, and some other goodies.

It was built to celebrate Subaru winning 3 WRC titles in a row (many years before Burns won his first) and was named 22b to commemorate their main sponser, BAT/555. 22b is hexadecimal for 555.

Sounds like you're thinking of the RB5, which was built to commemorate Burn's WRC championship. The RB5 was built by Prodrive, and is NOT the same as the 22b.

22b:
(http://www.live2cruize.com/Tech/Subaru/22B/22b_10.JPG)
Info on the 22b, note the Displacement:
http://www.live2cruize.com/impreza_22b.htm

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The 2.5 litre engine was not new for the US market and it is not in the STi.  I only said I believed it was from the forrester, not that it defiantely was.  It was not a new engine though and is not used else where in the imprezza range (US excluding in this quote).


Wrong again. The 2.5L STi engine was SPECIFICALLY designed for the USDM market Impreza STi. The only other 2.5L engine Subaru uses is a bored version of the EJ20, that was in the Forester, and in the US it was in the Impreza RS (which I personally own), Forester, Outback, and Legacy. However, the 2.5L in MY car and the Forester, is NOT the same as the engine in the USDM STi (the only thing they share is rounded displacement, and the external shape pretty much). The engine in the Forester XT (Turbo Forester) is simillar to the STi 2.5L block, but it highly detuned.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 18, 2004, 08:21:37 pm
Krazykunt, no I didn't install it myself, so no  I don't know  all the blablabla about it, I bought it with the b18c5 in there honda's are so commonplace it's to find a civic that isn't modified, and 190hp isn't bad for a 2400 lb car. Now the USDM STI was not always 2.5 litre only the newst Generation, all the new USDM STI are 2.5l but there not the first 2.5l Turbo, in limited amounts there were RS wagons with the turbo and a Legacy turbo that was 2.5L, their not the same block as the STI is using now, and even turboed they weren't much to talk about but they were 2.5L and Turbo, a 13.4 1/4 mile in an Impreza indicates a shitty driver, and why were you 1/4 miling a goddamn RS to start with, You have to go through a lot of work in an RS to make it strip worthy, like swapping in an EJ20 end even than you'd need to SC it or go to a bigger turbo set up, and if not, yes you're going to lose, and no you will not bark the tires,. My comment on drag racing sucking, is based on the fact that a car built for strip is so specialized it's ruined for anything else, and Strip racers ( drag or street ) are so god damn simple all they can do is launch and shift. Now don't anyone try and say I don't know what I'm talking about, or even hint that I'm a ricer ( death to rice ) cause I am not in anyway a ricer. My faith in Suabru, especially on Impreza's is based on the fact that they can be built in any diretion and own in any form of racing. A car, nearly any car in stock form, isn't raceworthy in any class ( and I know there are exceptions w/ high performance cars but we're talking tuners here ) they have to be built and modified engineered to an extent to be competitve. All I'm saying is an Impreza can be built in any direction into a winning competitive car.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on November 18, 2004, 08:25:37 pm
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also it is actually legal to drive a street illegal car in the US only as long as you are driving it to the track or strip and back.


That really depends on where you live. It's usually not legal at all, the cops just let you slide. ;)

It's funny, because the fastest "Street Legal" Corvette is owned by a guy a few miles from me, and he usually trailers it to the strip. :P

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p.s. if you want a fast drag car how is a 1969 firebird with a 540ci big block engine that runs 1/4 miles in 7.0s


:o Awesome!

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had to say something about your post about americans wanting a lot of low end power.....A turbo doesnt give you the low end power of a na engine so what im really saying is that the sti wouldnt have a shit load of low end power.


Eh, it depends on the car and the tuning, can't be so general. A properly sized turbo will give pleanty of boost and low end power. My car had a T3 .60 trim in it, and I was at full boost at around 3K. I could easily do smokey burnouts. :D Let's not forget all the gutless NA cars running around either.

STi's have loads of low end power. Enough to roast all four wheels on a drag strip. The main thing it DOESN'T have, is the throttle response of NA cars (remeber the "Misfiring System" in that Evo in InitialD, yea, that gives Turbo cars the throttle characteristics of an NA car). BUT, it has a Drive By Wire throttle control, so the ECU can work the throttle  to mask the lack of response (and add to the low end power).
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 18, 2004, 08:39:43 pm
I think that whole drive a non-street legal car to the track thing, Around here you have to get like a pass, that shows you're registered to race and take it to the DMV, sometimes you can do it all at the track if they the right stuff, same thing with buying race octane Gas.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on November 18, 2004, 08:50:54 pm
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Now the USDM STI was not always 2.5 litre only the newst Generation, all the new USDM STI are 2.5l but there not the first 2.5l Turbo, in limited amounts there were RS wagons with the turbo and a Legacy turbo that was 2.5L, their not the same block as the STI is using now, and even turboed they weren't much to talk about but they were 2.5L and Turbo


PERIODS!!! Without proper punctuation, it's almost impossible to decypher what you're trying to say.

Will you stop making shit up! If you don't know what you're talking about, don't open your mouth.

The USDM Impreza STI was ALWAYS 2.5L. It was new in 2004. I dare you to find an USDM 03 Impreza STi. YOU WON'T, they DON'T EXIST.

The WRX has always been 2.0L, but don't confuse the WRX and WRX STi. Different cars.

There were NEVER Turbocharged RS Wagons built by Subaru for the US. Hell, the RS wagon didn't EXIST untill 04/05, before then, it was called the TS in the states. The Legacy Turbo was also a 2.2L, the NEW Legacy GT is a 2.5L but that came well AFTER the STi did in the US.

For real, you should stop now. I guarentee you will not win an Impreza debate against me. I hate to sound cocky, but I know my car, and it's siblings inside and out.

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a 13.4 1/4 mile in an Impreza indicates a shitty driver, and why were you 1/4 miling a goddamn RS to start with, You have to go through a lot of work in an RS to make it strip worthy, like swapping in an EJ20 end even than you'd need to SC it or go to a bigger turbo set up


Yup, more babble about shit you know nothing about. I don't know if you're referring to me, but it was a 13.8, get it straight. My car was turbo'd (the 2.5L was turbo'd), don't believe me? Here:
(http://www.just-j.net/images/cleanengine.jpg)
(http://www.just-j.net/images/clearhood.jpg)

Any car can be strip worthy, if you decide to Bracket race.

And if my car were still turbo'd, I'd hand you the keys, and watch you stumble to mid 14 second times, before you lunched my tranny.

Re: The EJ20. Just putting the WRX motor in the car (and you don't supercharge it fool, it has a turbo already) will put the RS deep in the 13s, because of the Power to weight, and the uber short gearing of the RS.

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and if not, yes you're going to lose, and no you will not bark the tires,.


::)

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My comment on drag racing sucking, is based on the fact that a car built for strip is so specialized it's ruined for anything else, and Strip racers ( drag or street ) are so god damn simple all they can do is launch and shift.


You know, you should sell your car, and just catch the bus from now on. You keep talking like you have a clue, when you don't even have a solid grasp on the concept of racing.

It's funny you say Drag strip cars are so specialized, yet Circut racers aren't? You can't do much else but circut race in something like the Audi R8 Prototype racer.

And drag racing is not simple you fool. There's more to driving than launching and shifting. I would pay money to see you drive the 7 second car mentioned above. I'd bet you'd either put it into a wall, or cross the center line before you finished your 12 second run.

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Now don't anyone try and say I don't know what I'm talking about, or even hint that I'm a ricer ( death to rice ) cause I am not in anyway a ricer.


Here, I'll make it easy to read. :) You don't know what your talking about. End of story.

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My faith in Suabru, especially on Impreza's is based on the fact that they can be built in any diretion and own in any form of racing.


Wrong. The fastest straight line Subaru is barely in the 8s. That's far from owning anything. They can hold their own on a race track, but must be HIGHLY modified. The JTCC Impreza is RWD, and it doesn't own either.

Impreza's own Rally, and Autocross, that's it.

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A car, nearly any car in stock form, isn't race worthy in any class ( and I know there are exceptions w/ high performance cars but we're talking tuners here ) they have to be built and modified engineered to an extent to be competitve.


You don't Autocross do you?

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All I'm saying is an Impreza can be built in any direction into a winning competitive car.


And I'm telling you that's fanboy pipedream talk. I love Subarus, and admit I'm biased twords them. But I'm not dillusional twords their abilities. They can hold their own in anything, but they are out of their element in drag racing, and circuit racing events. While they're fun to drive in these events, and will hold up well, they will not own a damn thing.

Put 'em in the dirt, or on an autocross course, and it's a different story.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on November 18, 2004, 08:53:56 pm
Ugh, I get riled up easy when talking cars. It drives me nuts when people spout off bullshit.

Every time some jackoff spouts BS about any car, I tend to go on the offensive, so I apologize for being harsh. But for real:

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't open your mouth.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on November 18, 2004, 08:56:38 pm
Lastly, don't call me a bad driver. I can assure you I'm not.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on November 18, 2004, 10:35:32 pm
ga! don't triple post! there's an edit button.....EDITTTTT :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on November 19, 2004, 01:54:07 am
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ga! don't triple post! there's an edit button.....EDITTTTT :D


lol sorry.... :(



;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on November 19, 2004, 03:16:14 am
I am going to do, what many others here should also do - admit when they are wrong.

Just_J you are right - I was thinking of the RB5.  Took me ages to find suitbale URLs, but here's one http://www.live2cruize.com/impreza_22b.htm.

But hey what do I know - I'm in to the power going through only the correct wheels ;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: aiya_the_aussie on November 19, 2004, 04:32:20 am
ahah y r ppl so work up? maybe it's because ppl r getting impatient for the live evil ID4 eps 7 and 8??? *hinT*hint*

btw... my 4 stroke supercharge ride on lawn mower will own all of u..................... in my backyard....

0-10km in 1.0 sec i got it dynoed @ 30kw @ the wheels...hahaha
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 19, 2004, 04:45:31 am
Yes Just_J is right

Usagi Yojimbo, u dont know shit.  try using punctuation and correct words.  not only are u talking crap, u dont make sense.

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Now the USDM STI was not always 2.5 litre only the newst Generation, all the new USDM STI are 2.5l but there not the first 2.5l Turbo, in limited amounts there were RS wagons with the turbo and a Legacy turbo that was 2.5L, their not the same block as the STI is using now, and even turboed they weren't much to talk about but they were 2.5L and Turbo

^ bla blah blah ... wateva man.  there wasnt even one full stop in the above crap.

Yes, the CUSCO SUBARU ADVAN IMPREZA in the JGTC GT300 series is highly modified and RWD and is not "owning" the competition.  In fact, in 2004 round 1, it finished 14th, 3 laps behind the 1st car.
round 2, it finished 12th, an amazing 7 laps behind
round 3, it finished 18th, 3 laps behind
round 4, it finished 6th, 0'29.368 seconds behind
round 5, it finished 11th, 2 laps behind
round 6, it finished 3rd, 0'05.706 seconds behind
Team Cusco Racing is currently ranked 9th in the GT300 series.  not exactly owning is it?

How about the All Japan Rally Championship?
oooh look, a Lancer Evolution won the 2003 season
http://www.subaru-msm.com/global/local2003/jrc/index.html

And have a look at the points standing after round 6 2004
1 F.NUTAHARA MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION 335
2 H.TAGUCHI(CMSC SAITAMA) MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION 305

3 N.KATSUTA SUBARU IMPREZA 245
4 MASAYUKI.ISHIDA MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION 211
5 MASASI.ISHIDA MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION 170
6 T.KAMATA SUBARU IMPREZA 155
7 Y.NISHIO SUBARU IMPREZA 128
8 M.AYABE SUBARU IMPREZA 128
9 K.KIYOI SUBARU IMPREZA 68
10 Y.SUMIYAMA SUBARU IMPREZA 60

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/motorsports/e/04alljp/rally/r_06e.html

It looks like the Lancer Evolution is owning.  Its not WRC, but it still goes to show that imprezas dont own everything.
http://www.wrc.com/Results/Standings.asp?Year=2004&ChampType=D
These are the manufacturers championship standings for 2004
1.  Citroën
2.  Ford
3.  Subaru

and look. subaru driver Petter SOLBERG is on 82 points, 36 points behind  Citroën driver Sébastien LOEB.
1. Sébastien LOEB
2. Petter SOLBERG

However, subaru has taken the top 2 spots in the Production Car WRC
http://www.subaru-msm.com/global/pcwrc2004/index.html
1 N.McShea SUBARU 35
2 T.Arai SUBARU 30

3 J.Paasonen Mitsubishi 29
4 X.Pons Mitsubishi 27

So do wat Just_J says.  STFU and catch a bus.
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Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on November 19, 2004, 04:28:19 pm
ROTFLMAO

To change the subject slightly, here's me going down to the shops http://www.hippocampus.f9.co.uk/pshop/rx7divx.avi
 ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: denkigrve on November 19, 2004, 06:06:22 pm
So now that you guys have wasted everyone elses time talking about scoobies... when are 7 and 8 coming out? I have them raw so I know they are around...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sun_Tze on November 19, 2004, 06:42:54 pm
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So now that you guys have wasted everyone elses time talking about scoobies... when are 7 and 8 coming out? I have them raw so I know they are around...



Around 95% before it gets released  [smiley=biggrin.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on November 19, 2004, 08:17:49 pm
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It looks like the Lancer Evolution is owning.  Its not WRC, but it still goes to show that imprezas dont own everything.
http://www.wrc.com/Results/Standings.asp?Year=2004&ChampType=D
These are the manufacturers championship standings for 2004
1.  Citroën
2.  Ford
3.  Subaru

and look. subaru driver Petter SOLBERG is on 82 points, 36 points behind  Citroën driver Sébastien LOEB.
1. Sébastien LOEB
2. Petter SOLBERG


LOL, oh man that was a funny post.

In all fairness to my boy Petter, they did win more stages than any other car (by alot 95, next closest was Gronholm with 68, then Sebastian with 65), and had it not been for bad luck in a few events, he most likely would've kept the crown (after restarting a few events, he dominated the field, but his times didn't count). ;) Sebastion won more on the reliability of his car, and his consistancy rather than his overall speed.

I can't wait untill the Monte. :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 19, 2004, 08:17:54 pm
who said anything about a wrx motor and you DO supercharge it, http://www.raptorsc.com.au/subkits.h
http://www.raptorsc.com.au/subkits.h
Turbo lag sucks on the strip, no I wouldn't pull 14's you dumbshit you just don't know how to drive pussy.
No scooby are not the best initial design for strip, but like any tuner they can be helped in that direction http://autos.msn.com/as/minishow/article.aspx?contentID=4022785&s=SEMA2004&src=minishow
No not every competitive impreza on earth is undefeated but they kick a lot of ass for being in so many different forms of racing, and Just_J, you know so little yet you talk so much, a sign of selfimportant prick if you ask me. and I garuntee, that me and my RS could whip your ass soundly in ANY form of racing, you don't know me fool, don't act like you do. You pretentious douchebag!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on November 19, 2004, 08:31:43 pm
Usagi - RS what ?  Lots of manufacturers ahve had lots of models labelled RS, normalyl targetted at 17-18 year old boys who think themselves the greatest driver around.

Just_J made no boast about his drivign prowess, he just pointed out that he does actually own a scooby and knows about the model of car and it's international history.  I don't, but then I own a MK1 MX-5 and a 3rd gen RX-7 (FD3S) and do know about those and tuning options.  I also would probably suck at 1/4 miles runs, but then mine are tuned for the track (you have compeltely different suspension and wheel set ups for rally, road, track and drag strip.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on November 19, 2004, 08:33:44 pm
BTW - turbo lag only comes in to it at low revs, once the car is moving you'll be changing gear in to a spooled up turbo, so it's only moving off the mark that you'll pay the penalty, and even then you can partially get round that with a spool assist or anti-lag ECU set-up.

Now a charge cooler IS far superior to an inter-cooler on the drag strip as it is working all the time (the difference is the former pumps water round the cooling sysem, the latter relies only on cold air moving over the inter-cooler radiator).

Oh and I do know the difference.  My MX-5 was (until a few months after I got the RX-7) super-charged with a charge-cooler, my RX-7 comes with twin serial turbos (and still has) and an intercooler (stock one now replaced with a large full width unit).
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on November 19, 2004, 08:46:54 pm
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You know what, I'm just gonna end this now. Back to the InitialD talk! :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on November 19, 2004, 08:54:22 pm
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BTW - turbo lag only comes in to it at low revs, once the car is moving you'll be changing gear in to a spooled up turbo, so it's only moving off the mark that you'll pay the penalty, and even then you can partially get round that with a spool assist or anti-lag ECU set-up.

Now a charge cooler IS far superior to an inter-cooler on the drag strip as it is working all the time (the difference is the former pumps water round the cooling sysem, the latter relies only on cold air moving over the inter-cooler radiator).

Oh and I do know the difference.  My MX-5 was (until a few months after I got the RX-7) super-charged with a charge-cooler, my RX-7 comes with twin serial turbos (and still has) and an intercooler (stock one now replaced with a large full width unit).


The terminoligy differences from country to country are pretty funny. This is a good example, most people call "Charge Coolers" "Air to water Intercoolers" in the states. ;)

But yea, what he said. :)

(BTW, got anymore footage or pics of that RX-7?)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on November 19, 2004, 09:34:46 pm
No more video - due partly to the change in policy to in-car mounts at some race tracks, else I'd have footage of me at Silverstone GP from inside.

I'll maybe see what suitable pictures I have, might have one of the engine bay from when I got it, and one for now  ;)

The car is tuned for reliability (though that has produced a reasonable increase in performance) and quietness (though this is known to cost me 20-30 BHP).

If I can't get on to the race tracks I want to due to it still being too loud, then off will come the cat back and cat pipe, to be replaced with a nice titanium straight through.  Also when the engine rebuild comes around (60-80,000 miles for a well looked after FD3S 13B-REW engine), I'll get it street ported and dowelled, plus I'll replace the stock twin turbos with a single, such as a hybrid garret T35/40 (the popular choice in teh UK at the moment).
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on November 19, 2004, 09:42:22 pm
Here's one of the car at the dyno being tuned (yes I have a programable ECU as well as other bits).

(http://www.eddie.demon.co.uk/dyno.jpg)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on November 19, 2004, 10:16:12 pm
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Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Red_Suns_FC3S on November 19, 2004, 10:19:51 pm
Nice FD. How's the process going on the show. It was hard for me to read because of all the pollution that was on the last 10 pages, lol.  But yeah. Looking foward for the good news. Thanks
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 20, 2004, 02:56:15 am
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LOL, oh man that was a funny post.

In all fairness to my boy Petter, they did win more stages than any other car (by alot 95, next closest was Gronholm with 68, then Sebastian with 65), and had it not been for bad luck in a few events, he most likely would've kept the crown (after restarting a few events, he dominated the field, but his times didn't count). ;) Sebastion won more on the reliability of his car, and his consistancy rather than his overall speed.

I can't wait untill the Monte. :D


Yep, Solberg is a champ  [smiley=tekways.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 20, 2004, 04:38:05 am
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who said anything about a wrx motor and you DO supercharge it, http://www.raptorsc.com.au/subkits.h
http://www.raptorsc.com.au/subkits.h
Turbo lag sucks on the strip, no I wouldn't pull 14's you dumbshit you just don't know how to drive pussy.
No scooby are not the best initial design for strip, but like any tuner they can be helped in that direction http://autos.msn.com/as/minishow/article.aspx?contentID=4022785&s=SEMA2004&src=minishow
No not every competitive impreza on earth is undefeated but they kick a lot of ass for being in so many different forms of racing, and Just_J, you know so little yet you talk so much, a sign of selfimportant prick if you ask me. and I garuntee, that me and my RS could whip your ass soundly in ANY form of racing, you don't know me fool, don't act like you do. You pretentious douchebag!


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Did you know that the Lancer Evolution can also be tuned for rally/track/drag?

FYI, Tommi Makinen won 4 consecutive World Rally Champioship Drivers Title driving a LANCER EVOLUTION.  The only driver to have ever taken 4 consecutive driver's title

Does the Tsukuba Super Lap Challenge mean anything to you? A modified LANCER EVOLUTION still has the fastest lap time in its class.

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Legendary tuners from all around Japan descended on Tsukuba Circuit in the Ibaragi prefecture of Japan for Video Option's 2004 Tsukuba Super Lap Challenge. Challengers were attempting to take the title HKS has diligently held with their Lancer Evolution VIII TRB-02's (Tsukuba Record Breaker) astonishing time of 55.00 seconds set in late 2003. HKS also returned to Tsukuba Circuit not only to defend their crown, but to prove that the HKS Evo TRB-02's 55.00 second run was just a hint of what their Carbon Fiber Race Car could and would do. In stunning fashion, the HKS Carbon Fiber Track Attack posted a new track record of 54.739.

At 8:30 AM the HKS Evo TRB-02 piloted by Nobuteru Tanaguchi began its warm-up laps along with a few other cars. After two practice laps and one lap at speed, the TRB-02 recorded a 55.5 second lap time.

After pitting for a fresh set of tires Tanaguchi returned the HKS Evo TRB-02 to the course ready to challenge the current record HKS already owned. On this run the TRB-02 tore through Tsukuba Circuit's corners at an amazing pace, pushing the limits of the Endless brakes and the ultra-sticky Yokohama A048 tires. The Carbon Clad Warrior navigated the final hairpin and was catapulted by the HKS GT3037S Turbo down Tsukuba's back-straight.

When the HKS Evo TRB-02 crossed the finish line it stopped the clicker at an astonishing 54.739! No other vehicle in its class has even come close to the 55.00 second record already held by HKS.

http://www.hksusa.com/info/?id=2145

Imprezas dont own all.  Evos can keep up with them easily in  
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ANY form of racing
.  I can whoop ur ass in my Supra on a track as well
For the LAST TIME(i've decided to drop it cos there is no point talking to a loser)
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^ Take the hint. I'm not saying it again

Now back to Initial D.  Fourth Stage D selection was released on the 17th November.  Its available now. yay [:zerod]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Gideon on November 20, 2004, 10:17:53 pm
So wich year do you plan to release episodes 7 & 8 ? Are there only 1 person working on them or whats the prob guys???? Sure quality takes time but it seems like nothing happen. First 2 eps where out in under a week. COME ON!! GIVE US SOM FEEDBACK instead of
-it will be out when its ready
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: dopeboy on November 21, 2004, 12:52:00 am
i'm new here but i would like to say thank u guys for subin the initial d fouth stage and i'll be waitin for the ep 7-8 to come out thanx
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sun_Tze on November 21, 2004, 07:45:13 am
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So wich year do you plan to release episodes 7 & 8 ? Are there only 1 person working on them or whats the prob guys???? Sure quality takes time but it seems like nothing happen. First 2 eps where out in under a week. COME ON!! GIVE US SOM FEEDBACK instead of
-it will be out when its ready


When it's done!  [smiley=biggrin.gif]

Joking... i can tell you it's quite soon the episode will be released.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 21, 2004, 10:55:34 am
Fourth Stage D Selection is quite good.  i like most of the tracks :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vryel on November 22, 2004, 02:22:35 pm
Hey Dapprman, that's one nice FD. ;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on November 22, 2004, 07:45:30 pm
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Hey Dapprman, that's one nice FD. ;)

Hmm, Vyrel you wouldn't per chance, be a fellow FD3 owner who happened to point me here for Inital D Stage 4 after a covnersation about it on another forum ?  8)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on November 22, 2004, 11:19:33 pm
ID4 is coming soon for those that have bothered to wait.  Many of the people working on this project have been very busy.  Afterall they let me loose on the editing.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: pvssr on November 23, 2004, 12:32:36 am
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ID4 is coming soon for those that have bothered to wait.  Many of the people working on this project have been very busy.  Afterall they let me loose on the editing.


wow! i have waited a looong time for this :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on November 23, 2004, 01:11:53 am
it's well worth the wait!!! :)

if you've waited this long....you don't want to give up now ^^
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vryel on November 23, 2004, 02:32:01 am
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Hmm, Vryel you wouldn't per chance, be a fellow FD3 owner who happened to point me here for Inital D Stage 4 after a covnersation about it on another forum ?  8)


Well mate, although I'd really like to, I'm afraid I'm only a Honda and Alfa Romeo driver writing from Italy...
I love FD3S (and FC3S!) but even if it's possible to find at a decent price some LHD FD3Ss with only 60 or 70k km on them, the maintenance work that they'd need would be very expensive, mainly because in our peninsula we only have one workshop capable of performing operations on a rotary. As a matter of fact, this mechanic is near to where I live (about 70 km), but his work is REALLY expensive and takes a lot of time, so I'm looking forward to be happy with VTEC... ;)

As for the imminent release of episodes 7-8, all I can say is : We're all here for you, L-E & IDE guys... =D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on November 23, 2004, 03:32:52 am
FD3Ss are very expensive cars to keep regardless.  You can pick up a decent RHD one for less than a new Civic Type-R, but even with plaes near you, the service costs are high, you need to keep funds back for teh engien rebuild, plus they drink obscene amounts of fuel.  Around town my FD3S uses more petrol than my MX-5 did when super-charged and on the track !

Still replacement engines are cheaper than for a Supra, NSX or a Skyline GT-R (engine rebuilds for tehse are obscene).
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 23, 2004, 05:21:39 am
I am , for the most, uninformed when it comes to rotary's. Do the RX8's run rotaries and are they anymore reliable than the last generation??
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Shenanigans on November 23, 2004, 05:47:05 am
the renesis rotary engine is more reliable, and additionally it is only available na; so that takes away the majority of problem components from the fd.  now the tranny, on the other hand, is the dodgy part of the rx-8.  its just a slightly beefed up miata six speed, so it is typically the first thing to display problems if you do anything serious to the car.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 23, 2004, 06:53:41 am
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I am , for the most, uninformed when it comes to rotary's. Do the RX8's run rotaries and are they anymore reliable than the last generation??


^ are u serious??  thats like asking is the r34 gtr 4wd?

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RENESIS - Mazda's next-generation rotary engine


The RENESIS engine powering the Mazda RX-8, which stands for “the rotary engine's GENESIS”, was carefully prepared for series production as the power plant for the RX-8.

RENESIS - an engine replete with innovative technologies such as side intake/side exhaust porting - is a 654 cc x two rotor unit that generates for the:

Manual transmission engine specification 250 ps maximum power at 8,500 rpm and 22.0 kg-m maximum torque at 5500 rpm
Automatic transmission engine specification 210 ps maximum power at 7,200 rpm and 22.6 kg-m maximum torque at 5000 rpm.
RENESIS also shows substantial improvement over the engine installed in the previous RX-7 in terms of fuel-efficiency and emissions.

By capitalizing on the intrinsic benefits of the RENESIS rotary engine - namely, low weight, compact size and high performance - Mazda succeeded in developing the RX-8, a wholly new concept four-door four-seater genuine sports car.


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RENESIS - New technologies at a glance


The design and development of RENESIS has evolved and employed many new and innovative technologies outlined below:

For higher output, designers used:
   - synthetic intake system for variable valves
   - variable fresh air duct (FAD)
   - straight exhaust system layout.


For improved engine response, designers used:
   - Lightweight rotor with three injectors per rotor
   - long-span engine mount.


For low vibration and distinctive RE sound, designers used:
   - dynamically balanced rotors
   - counter-rotating fixed gear and tuning of the intake sound.


For fuel economy, designers used:
   - newly designed seals
   - jet air-fuel mixing system
   - micro-electrode spark plugs.


For compact size and lighter weight, designers used:
   - thinner engine ribs
   - wet sump lubrication system
   - plastic intake manifold.


Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: denkigrve on November 23, 2004, 08:34:16 am
Blah blah blah... if you want to talk about cars goto another forum can we get back on topic with Initial D. Seriously... I love cars just as the rest of you do. My car is in my sig. I drift it... it's fun... I goto drift forums to talk about cars. I come here to talk about anime... back to the Anime please... Anyone see the raws for 7 and 8 yet? 7 is annoying, but 8 is soo good! I want to know what's going on!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 23, 2004, 04:48:34 pm
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Blah blah blah... if you want to talk about cars goto another forum can we get back on topic with Initial D. Seriously... I love cars just as the rest of you do. My car is in my sig. I drift it... it's fun... I goto drift forums to talk about cars

^

Off topic.  no1 cares about u or ur car or where u go to talk about cars
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Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 23, 2004, 06:35:27 pm
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^ are u serious??  thats like asking is the r34 gtr 4wd?




Well I'm not a "Mazda Guy" I assumed it was, but the RX-8 is a lot different from previous generations of the RX. I wanted to be sure and seeing as I've to check one out close up I thought I'd ask. I'm impressed by the potential of the rotary engine but with reliability issues it's still kind of weak.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: EvoHo on November 23, 2004, 07:24:05 pm
oh no, quick live-evil, release episode 7 and 8 before there's another shouting match about cars.......i just hate it when mom and dad are constantly yelling at each other
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on November 23, 2004, 09:48:35 pm
The 13B-REW Renaris engine in teh RX-8 will last a lot longer than the older engine in the RX-7 FD3S for 2 reasons.
1.  Forced induction reduces the life of any engine.
2.  Mazda had to produce a 100K mile engine for the US>

Now back to waiting for episodes 7 and 8 :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: SiL-080 on November 24, 2004, 01:37:16 am
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Blah blah blah... if you want to talk about cars goto another forum can we get back on topic with Initial D. Seriously... I love cars just as the rest of you do. My car is in my sig. I drift it... it's fun... I goto drift forums to talk about cars. I come here to talk about anime... back to the Anime please... Anyone see the raws for 7 and 8 yet? 7 is annoying, but 8 is soo good! I want to know what's going on!



i got awile ago some subs for 7-8 they are not the best, and although i dont speak japanese i can somewhat understand where they are missing things, but all and all its better then the raws :D let me know if you want them my e-mail is mikelawmikelaw@hotmail.com if you cant get ahold of me :) just make sure you title it well so i dont miss it, and like i said before, of course ill get the LE subs they are the best hehe.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 24, 2004, 04:05:53 am
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oh no, quick live-evil, release episode 7 and 8 before there's another shouting match about cars.......i just hate it when mom and dad are constantly yelling at each other


Har Har ::)
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Post by: ITR on November 24, 2004, 04:57:53 am
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^

Off topic.  no1 cares about u or ur car or where u go to talk about cars

Woooo....this topic would be so boring....thank God we have a funny guy like this one!! (http://digilander.libero.it/bardelweb/ridetanto.gif)
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Post by: angelan on November 24, 2004, 07:21:14 am
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i got awile ago some subs for 7-8 they are not the best, and although i dont speak japanese i can somewhat understand where they are missing things, but all and all its better then the raws :D let me know if you want them my e-mail is mikelawmikelaw@hotmail.com if you cant get ahold of me :) just make sure you title it well so i dont miss it, and like i said before, of course ill get the LE subs they are the best hehe.


argh...traitor AWAY with you!!!!!





J/K  ;D  I'm just very...VERY bored.  and sleepy...mmm...sleep.
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Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 24, 2004, 10:32:04 am
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oh no, quick live-evil, release episode 7 and 8 before there's another shouting match about cars.......i just hate it when mom and dad are constantly yelling at each other


(http://forumspam.articblue.nl/post_related/flamewar/images/0434.jpg)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on November 25, 2004, 04:06:44 am
I finally found the eps 7-8 in eng sub, glad I didn't wait, plus the subs were quite accurate, all I didn't know is wat freakin stage keisuke races against kyoko
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on November 25, 2004, 07:00:12 am
what do you mean what stage??? you mean the place??

oh btw, it's so close i can smeeeellllll it ^^
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Post by: _v0rani on November 25, 2004, 09:32:59 am
as i side note, when is the le-ide id4 ep 7&8 coming out?

i think the "we're taking our time to make sure its perfect" excuse is starting to wear pretty thin. even if it is true le-ide would soon fall into the trap that midway's mortal kombat series did by holding back mk4 for so long to perfect it while capcoms inferrior street fighter series too over their market share.

sure people are loyal, up to a reasonable amount of time.
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Post by: GunsmithCat on November 25, 2004, 10:12:00 am
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as i side note, when is the le-ide id4 ep 7&8 coming out?

i think the "we're taking our time to make sure its perfect" excuse is starting to wear pretty thin. even if it is true le-ide would soon fall into the trap that midway's mortal kombat series did by holding back mk4 for so long to perfect it while capcoms inferrior street fighter series too over their market share.

sure people are loyal, up to a reasonable amount of time.


You do realize that this is not a product for sale, it's free. It's being ported to our language by these nice people out of the kindness of their hearts. Don't criticize them over things they do for you that you don't pay for. These guys have their own lives you know, they don't have to do this but they do because they enjoy the fruits of their labors and want others to enjoy it as well. No more bitching, I am just as hungry as the rest of you over this I am just more patient.
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Post by: EmperorX on November 25, 2004, 02:33:55 pm
i just baught a dvd with subs for 7 & 8, if someone wants i can try and rip the subs of the dvd and upload the saa file
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Post by: angelan on November 25, 2004, 06:08:57 pm
wow....the fact that admins/mods don't get rid of posts where you guys are promoting other subbers or even promoting dvd rips (or even that new ad for smokes)......shows that they're rather busy...working on the subs.

I know they ran into some hurdles with some computer probs but things are getting back on track.  I agree...it's kinda been in the dark of how things are going...but they ARE going.  

If you want it to go faster....offer your help.  Rather than sit around and complain, do something about it.  I know I did.
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Post by: superfish168 on November 25, 2004, 07:54:32 pm
for the ones who cannot wait any longer, you can d/l ep. 7 & 8 at http://turtle55.myftp.org:6969/ which have been subbed by GFS.
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 25, 2004, 10:32:56 pm
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for the ones who cannot wait any longer, you can d/l ep. 7 & 8 at http://turtle55.myftp.org:6969/ which have been subbed by GFS.

Wow, how disrespectful. What a sceevy douchebag.
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Post by: Dapprman on November 26, 2004, 02:54:09 am
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Wow, how disrespectful. What a sceevy douchebag.

Nani !!! I agree with Usagi on something  :o  

Errr sccobies suck, skylines are for wimps, err every oen should race micras   ::)

On a more serious note, I assume the moderators here are some what busy as I know many otrher forums where the above would have been removed.  It is very bad form to post an advert like that.
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Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 26, 2004, 03:33:10 am
^ yeah.  Posting links to other subs here isnt necessary. If they are that desparate for subs, they should search for it themselves.  Like wat i did.  
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 26, 2004, 04:58:43 am
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Nani !!! I agree with Usagi on something  :o  

:o is right
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Post by: firebert on November 26, 2004, 09:21:21 am
I say link away, if other groups care enough to release theirs in a timely manner i say they should be applauded. if some people here are gracious enough to post those links they should be thanked not condemned.. and if other people are too loyal or should i say STUBBORN to click those links to some already subbed initial D goodness, they dont have to.. because as i know, ignorance is bliss.

and i already calculated that this would get some of ur panties in a bunch so flame away. stuff had to be said.
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Post by: mikala on November 26, 2004, 10:28:32 am
we've got a winner ? [:meganne]
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Post by: debchan on November 26, 2004, 04:19:11 pm
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I say link away, if other groups care enough to release theirs in a timely manner i say they should be applauded. if some people here are gracious enough to post those links they should be thanked not condemned.. and if other people are too loyal or should i say STUBBORN to click those links to some already subbed initial D goodness, they dont have to.. because as i know, ignorance is bliss.

and i already calculated that this would get some of ur panties in a bunch so flame away. stuff had to be said.


It might be a gracious thing to do for the people who can't wait, but make no mistake; it's rude to L-E.  

I don't understand the fuss about waiting.  I mean, everyone realizes that it's two months between releases anyway, right?  You're going to end up waiting one way or  another.

It's been said before, but it bears repeating; subbers do this for free.   They are gracious enough to share with us, however, they don't owe us a timely release.  They don't owe us anything at all.  
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Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 26, 2004, 04:42:43 pm
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we've got a winner ? [:meganne]


(http://forumspam.articblue.nl/post_related/flamewar/images/0203.jpg)

I WIN!!!
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Post by: Spymon on November 26, 2004, 11:46:21 pm
What they all forget is that Initial D isn't that great anyway.  It is however a lot of fun.  Our subs are nearly complete we just have a few edits to iron out, that's all.  We're not perfect but if we see there are blatent errors we're not just going to say what the hell and release.
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Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 27, 2004, 04:32:02 am
^  How come LE is releasing 2 episodes at a time instead of one at a time like the release for episodes 1, 2, 3 and 4?
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Post by: skygod81 on November 27, 2004, 05:48:50 am
lalala...
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Post by: Red_Suns_FC3S on November 27, 2004, 09:25:05 am
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What they all forget is that Initial D isn't that great anyway.  It is however a lot of fun.  Our subs are nearly complete we just have a few edits to iron out, that's all.  We're not perfect but if we see there are blatent errors we're not just going to say what the hell and release.


Glad to hear the progress. Wonderful.  [smiley=austin_powaaah.gif] keep up your good work.
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Post by: Gideon on November 27, 2004, 03:44:07 pm
I to think that releasing one ep at a time would be a very good idea. Then u would spread it out a litte
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Post by: angelan on November 27, 2004, 07:47:00 pm
but realize that the way some of these eps are made....they kinda link on to each other.....would you want to be waiting for the second one in suspense? :P

Its not so much for this release but think about the last few...the first of the pair were usually fillers with races in the second ep....i'm not sure why they decided to do it this time tho since....i don't see much link between the two :)
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Post by: Spymon on November 27, 2004, 11:42:28 pm
It's not that we're waiting for both, it's that there's one little thing holding up ep7 and ep8.  We also have a little more work to do on 8.


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Post by: ryot4 on November 28, 2004, 03:20:11 am
why don't you guys have a separate division doing fourth stage only, that way it would be much faster without sacrificing quality... kind of like what dattebayo and anime heaven are doing with naruto.
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Post by: Sun_Tze on November 28, 2004, 05:06:28 am
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why don't you guys have a separate division doing fourth stage only, that way it would be much faster without sacrificing quality... kind of like what dattebayo and anime heaven are doing with naruto.


But DB/AH are huge... have you even a glimpse of how much members we have? the biggest team we have is the QC team :P
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Post by: GooWakJai on November 28, 2004, 06:40:02 am
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^  How come LE is releasing 2 episodes at a time instead of one at a time like the release for episodes 1, 2, 3 and 4?


Its not LE's prob but the directors of Initial D in Japan, cuz they release 2 eps every other month.  So LE just releases 2 eps together everytime.  
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Post by: Supra_Saiyan on November 28, 2004, 09:44:52 am
^ i never said it was LE's prob

i know that 2 episodes are released every 2 months.  But LE subbed and released ep1, then released ep2, 3 days afterwards. same with ep 3 and ep 4.  I was thinking maybe it would be better if they sub one ep at a time instead of 2.  That way we at least have something to watch while waiting for the other one.  You're gonna hafta wait 2 months for the next 2 eps anyway...but i think it'd be nice to watch something...
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 29, 2004, 04:09:25 am
I think it's good enough that Live-eviL does such a good job on their Subbs. I mean if waiting is a priority to some people ( not saying anyone specifically ) than maybe they should focus their attention on other subbers.
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Post by: disoneaznpnoy2o9 on November 29, 2004, 03:52:00 pm
damn whats happening ive been waiting for a long time and still havent finished the nitial d 7-8 episodes..... ive been waiting to download that from u guys but never seemed to get it out yet what happen?
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Post by: boost20l on November 29, 2004, 04:05:23 pm
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damn whats happening ive been waiting for a long time and still havent finished the nitial d 7-8 episodes..... ive been waiting to download that from u guys but never seemed to get it out yet what happen?


Didn't you read the posts above yours?? They are still working on it. No offence but quit your bitching, they are doing this stuff for free and they are probably busy doing other things. This sort of moaning will just make them say stuff it, let someone else sub it, then you will NEVER get a decent inital d sub. Just look at what happened to the manga translations, people just gave up doing it.

L-E guys, Thanks for the great subs and keep up the good work! Eagerly awaiting eps 7-8 and the rest when they get released.
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Post by: Just_J on November 29, 2004, 08:21:32 pm
Eh, I DL'd and watched the subbed eps from the guy who posted 6 times in 2 pages a while back.

They held me over, but I'll still DL the LE ones... for continuity. :) (Plus they sub everything, including the signs)
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Post by: Vash on November 29, 2004, 11:19:04 pm
ok ok ok ok here

where trying to fix up some problems with ID4 and hopefully we can get that done ASAP so we can get this out and make everybody happy.
Thats whats happening.

Thx
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Post by: Gideon on November 30, 2004, 01:09:39 am
Anyone who knows when the next 2 eps will air in Japan
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Post by: angelan on November 30, 2004, 01:22:48 am
mid december, always the middle of even months

18th of December to be exact...(just checked)
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Post by: herbstnebel on November 30, 2004, 03:35:09 am
*hugs Angelan*   ^_^
I sooooooo love your avatar!

Ne, Live-Evils & Ideology, thanks for giving us updates!
I'm so happy you're doing Initial D  :-*  Ganbatte ne!

And Spymon, thanks for reminding us that Initial D isn't that great... Funny Post [smiley=biggrin.gif]  

lullilu!
this was me in a great mood after watching Initial D first stage again for you ^_^
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Post by: GooWakJai on November 30, 2004, 05:20:57 am
Finally a word from the LE members, thnx for telling us.  Well I hope u guys continue fixin the prob and hopefully u guys wont stall on the upcomin eps.  
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on November 30, 2004, 09:25:21 am
You know, I remember being warned that excessive pissing and moaning would prolong the release. so CUT IT OUT ALREADY
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Post by: Spymon on December 01, 2004, 12:56:24 am
Hopefully 9-10 won't take  as long as 7-8
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Post by: hippopotomoose on December 01, 2004, 10:55:06 pm
thats crazy that it takes this long, but its funny that somebody would not watch another sub because they think its low quality work.  like the last subs.  the LE and wird only had slight differences but it wasnt the technical stuff.  it was stuff like... i like that puppy- thats a likeable puppy... all im saying is thats crazy... now go watch some ID.
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Post by: Supra_Saiyan on December 02, 2004, 06:49:29 am
^
Although it is watchable and understable, I did notice some spelling errors such as "ashfalt" and some grammar errors.  Live Evil have been excellent in their quality control department and are the best ID subbers i've seen.
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Post by: superfish168 on December 02, 2004, 06:53:34 am
how about the quality of AnimeOne?
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Post by: fabs on December 02, 2004, 07:55:11 am
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how about the quality of AnimeOne?



AnimeOne is good, but they haven't subbed the episodes we are waiting for, so this is irrelevent.

However, after L-E I prefer ANBU over Aone. I have been following Naruto for ages, and these two subbers teamed up, then split, and I downloaded the same episode twice,  one subbed by Aone, the other by ANBU. I believe they have teamed up again.

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Post by: ryot4 on December 02, 2004, 02:17:53 pm
a-h & animax just released ep 7.
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Post by: angelan on December 02, 2004, 10:48:50 pm
good for them.
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on December 03, 2004, 02:10:57 am
I wish I knew some way (that doesn't require A/V skills ) to show my gratitude to L-E for all their hard FREE work for us the fans. All I can come up with is a big THANK YOU and by being loyal to their Subbs.
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Post by: GunsmithCat on December 03, 2004, 03:09:59 am
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I wish I knew some way (that doesn't require A/V skills ) to show my gratitude to L-E for all their hard FREE work for us the fans. All I can come up with is a big THANK YOU and by being loyal to their Subbs.

Send them money, everyone could use a beer/smokes/food right about now and I think they would appreciate it quite a bit....
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Post by: ryot4 on December 03, 2004, 04:14:44 am
never mind... a-h & animax's ver. of ep 7 looks like it's been subbed by preschoolers... *sigh*

oh well... eps 9 & 10 are just 2 weeks away... ^_^
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on December 03, 2004, 05:39:19 am
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Send them money, everyone could use a beer/smokes/food right about now and I think they would appreciate it quite a bit....

Money?...... I think I remember money...... it's been so long.
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Post by: Supra_Saiyan on December 03, 2004, 04:29:16 pm
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I wish I knew some way (that doesn't require A/V skills ) to show my gratitude to L-E for all their hard FREE work for us the fans. All I can come up with is a big THANK YOU and by being loyal to their Subbs.


you really suck up way too much
that can get as annoying as bitching about releases.
you do realise that other fansubs are free as well.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on December 03, 2004, 05:36:41 pm
You could help QC, that doesn't require any spiffy A/V skills.....not really.   Talk to Spymon, or there's a thread in the other forum for this.
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Post by: Sakuno on December 03, 2004, 06:01:00 pm
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a-h & animax just released ep 7.


[shadow=blue,left,300]They suck...they can't even spell correctly.....[/shadow]
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Post by: Just_J on December 03, 2004, 08:40:31 pm
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Send them money, everyone could use a beer/smokes/food right about now and I think they would appreciate it quite a bit....


Beer? I could use one of those right about now.

(http://homepage3.nifty.com/NLbeer/B_OTHER/B_OTHER_UKpict/NewCastleAleT.JPG)
:D
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on December 03, 2004, 09:22:27 pm
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you really suck up way too much
that can get as annoying as bitching about releases.
you do realise that other fansubs are free as well.

Yeah, the majority are free but none are as good or take as much effort. and you know what, I think you just like being an asshole, you're awfully good at it, Goood for you , ya slack jawed wall-eyed inbred chum chuggin browneye bruiser. Choke on a dick and die.
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Post by: Just_J on December 03, 2004, 09:37:06 pm
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Yeah, the majority are free but none are as good or take as much effort. and you know what, I think you just like being an asshole, you're awfully good at it, Goood for you , ya slack jawed wall-eyed inbred chum chuggin browneye bruiser. Choke on a dick and die.


lmao, someone needs an anger management course.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on December 04, 2004, 03:55:34 am
Errrr wanna send me $ instead, im kinda broke rite now.  and I need to buy that new game Metal Gear Solid.  I wonder if they r gonna make Initial D special stage 2 for PS2.  if they are, I got a name for it.  Challenge Stage!
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Post by: Supra_Saiyan on December 04, 2004, 04:25:27 am
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Yeah, the majority are free but none are as good or take as much effort. and you know what, I think you just like being an asshole, you're awfully good at it, Goood for you , ya slack jawed wall-eyed inbred chum chuggin browneye bruiser. Choke on a dick and die.


You sir have lamest comebacks.

(http://forumspam.articblue.nl/user_related/fag/images/0081.jpg)

No im not good at being one.  The problem lies in your ignorance, stupid posts and your inability to deal with reality.

Here are some prime examples
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Civics AND Miata's SUCK!!! Scooby owns all. BOW DOWN to Bunta's Ver5 STI

Just because Bunta drives one doesnt mean any retard driving it (like you) will make it a fast car.

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okay so the 180sx is not a Sylvia, but is the 240sx only a Sylvia in Japan

Its SILVIA with an "I"

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Maybe you guys know something I don't, and you're "probably" right, but we don't actually see Bunta in the STI, only the driver's mouth, and the previous conversation between Bunta and his mechanic didn't say a specific model only mentioning AWD and that he doesn't like the Wing, and while the intro shows Bunta in a Scooby, we still can't say for sure it's him.

If you've bothered to watch the intro, you can see that Bunta is driving an STi with license plate number 13-600.  thats the same number in episode 7

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I am , for the most, uninformed when it comes to rotary's. Do the RX8's run rotaries and are they anymore reliable than the last generation??

(http://forumspam.articblue.nl/post_related/hints/images/0525.jpg)

Finally i think u are the better asshole. ur stupidity is really annoying
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Post by: irockash on December 04, 2004, 04:31:28 am
wow... what an elaborate comeback...
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on December 04, 2004, 07:46:49 am
Yeah cause stealing someone else's images off the internet requires much more skill and intelligence....................... don't get all butthurt cause I hit on a sensitive subject.... faggot
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Post by: Supra_Saiyan on December 04, 2004, 08:22:18 am
To Usagi_Yojimbo,
(http://forumspam.articblue.nl/user_related/fag/images/0161.jpg)A picture's worth a thousand words, and although I could, I am not going to spend any more of my time to get the message across.

Please try to stay on topic.  This thread is about the anime Initial D.  Not about asking for releases or for sucking up.  Make a new thread for other topics.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on December 04, 2004, 11:48:28 pm
Well, our eps are out tonight, so I hope they live up to everyone's expectations.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vryel on December 05, 2004, 03:54:52 am
Whoohoooo! Can't wait...  [smiley=biggrin.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: ryot4 on December 05, 2004, 04:38:52 am
can't wait for them!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: lfepooh124 on December 05, 2004, 05:07:31 am
Thank you LE and Ideology, hit me up whenever you guys are in the 805/UCSB area, i'll buy each and every one of you a 40.

LFE.Pooh
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on December 05, 2004, 06:30:36 am
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To Usagi_Yojimbo picture's worth a thousand words, and although I could, I am not going to spend any more of my time to get the message across.

Please try to stay on topic.  This thread is about the anime Initial D.  Not about asking for releases or for sucking up.  Make a new thread for other topics.

You are such a fucktard. You're the one who started the flaming when I was just trying to show a little appreciation to L-E for doing good work. You're so patheticly starved for attention you decided to start shit w/me, if you're unhappy with the results than you'll just know better next time. And as far as a picture being worth a thousand words, seeing how your venacular probablt doesn't consist of a thousand words, I can see why you steal pictures to speak for you.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on December 05, 2004, 07:43:49 am
thank u thank u thank u. Deffinetly worht the wait. the battle with Bunta was kickass. thx LE and Id.
(forgive for the spell errors, to ecxited to type).
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Love_Eun_Hye on December 05, 2004, 07:47:19 am
Finally !!  ;D ;D ;D

I'm overwhelmed !!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on December 05, 2004, 09:38:45 am
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You are such a fucktard. You're the one who started the flaming when I was just trying to show a little appreciation to L-E for doing good work. You're so patheticly starved for attention you decided to start shit w/me, if you're unhappy with the results than you'll just know better next time. And as far as a picture being worth a thousand words, seeing how your venacular probablt doesn't consist of a thousand words, I can see why you steal pictures to speak for you.


You mean VOCABULARY?
vernacular -n.
1  langauge or dialect of a particular country (the Mass is now said or sung in the vernacular, not in Latin).
2  language of a particular class or group (shearer's vernacular).
3  everyday, colloquial speech -adj. (of language) native; not of foreign origin or learned formation.

vocabulary n. (pl. -ies)
1a  words used by a particular language.
1b  words used by a particular book, branch of science, author, etc. (scientific vocabulary; the vocabulary of Shakespeare).
2  list of these, in alphabetical order with definitions or translations.
3  individual's stock of words.

Perhaps you should check up on your own vocabulary.  Believe me, I can write up an entire paper on your stupidity with material from this thread alone.

If name calling is all you can do, it just goes to show just how immature you are.  You have very few things worth saying, you dont know anything about cars, yet you pretend you do, and im starting to think you have the mentality of a 10 yr old kid.

For the last time,  just drop it.  As i said earlier, this thread is about Initial D.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on December 05, 2004, 10:35:33 am
Woot Woot, Good Job LE! Keep up the good work
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on December 05, 2004, 10:51:01 pm
People are saying we spely braking as breaking, oh well nevermind.  Not sure how that slipped through.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on December 06, 2004, 02:36:05 am
ok so im still thick headed bout where did Project D raced this time?  like the name of the course. is new or wat?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on December 06, 2004, 03:15:50 am
not sure, but if arcade stage v3 is right, then it could be shomaru, not sure though since I havent read the manga yet
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Post by: disoneaznpnoy2o9 on December 06, 2004, 06:57:57 pm
aye u guys i would like to say that thanks for those who wrote the subs for the initial d haha. its even better than the other ones that ive download u guys rock and keep up the good work try to make the one for 9 10 coming up soon on december 9th torrents will be out in this one web we want people from live-evil to make the subs for this initial d expisode 9 and 10 aight then yall see ya later
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on December 06, 2004, 09:26:38 pm
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You are such a fucktard. You're the one who started the flaming when I was just trying to show a little appreciation to L-E for doing good work. You're so patheticly starved for attention you decided to start shit w/me, if you're unhappy with the results than you'll just know better next time. And as far as a picture being worth a thousand words, seeing how your venacular probablt doesn't consist of a thousand words, I can see why you steal pictures to speak for you.


Irony > you. :D

Woot, I gotta DL the ID eps when I get home.
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Post by: angelan on December 06, 2004, 10:17:21 pm
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aye u guys i would like to say that thanks for those who wrote the subs for the initial d haha. its even better than the other ones that ive download u guys rock and keep up the good work try to make the one for 9 10 coming up soon on december 9th torrents will be out in this one web we want people from live-evil to make the subs for this initial d expisode 9 and 10 aight then yall see ya later


hehe but....huh? try some punctuations next time ^^

but since i'm bored...
*puts msg through the Super L-E QC Machine....*

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Hey guys! I would like to say thanks to those who worked on the subs for Initial D, haha.  It's even better than the ones I downloaded from other groups.  You guys rock!  Keep up the good work!  Make the one for episodes 9 & 10 as well!  The torrents for the raws will be out on December 9th [should be 18th, *shrugs*].  I want the live-evil team to make the subs for Initial D episodes 9 & 10 too!! Alright then, see ya later!
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don't mind me....i'm bored
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on December 06, 2004, 10:17:27 pm
Continuing to use Google to source your comebacks I see, how original..... and yet you post the very definition in which I used the word, everyday colloquial speech, in other words, common speech, as YOU would normally speak, NOT the copy/paste bullshit you do. I'm sick to death of you,  just shut your flaming fuck hole alraedy, you started beef with me not the other way around, just get off it already.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on December 07, 2004, 02:37:36 am
I just wanted to say: I LOVE the new stages!! They mixed just the right amount of racing an "other stuff". I didn´t like the "racing only" in stages 3-6 that much.
Don´t get me wrong, they were still good, but not as great as 7-8.
I´ve always hoped, Natsuki would show up again, but this way, with a nice girl racing together with Keisuke, it´s much better. [smiley=biggrin.gif]
I was wondering about the white car in the other team. Don´t beat me if I´m totaly wrong, just saw it once, but is it a Lexus I300?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on December 07, 2004, 11:25:47 am
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It is an SXE10 Toyota Altezza RS200, sold as Lexus IS200 or the new IS300 everywhere outside Japan.
(http://initiald.sega.jp/ac_ver03/img/car_pics_large/car_tpic06.jpg)
(http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/Altezza/exterior/images/ex02_prv.jpg)

The main difference is the 3S-GE engine with dual VVT-i.
It is a 2 litre engine that produces
154kW (210PS) at 7,600rpm and
216Nm (22.0kgm) at 6,400rpm

The IS200, sold as a Toyota Altezza AS200 in Japan comes with a less powerful 2 litre 1G-FE engine with peak power at 160PS.

The IS300, is equipped with the 2JZ-GE, with maximum power 157kW at 6000rpm and maximum torque 288Nm at 4000rpm

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Continuing to use Google to source your comebacks I see, how original..... and yet you post the very definition in which I used the word, everyday colloquial speech, in other words, common speech, as YOU would normally speak, NOT the copy/paste bullshit you do. I'm sick to death of you,  just shut your flaming fuck hole alraedy, you started beef with me not the other way around, just get off it already.

i at least dont talk out of my ass
 
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Post by: makakazo on December 07, 2004, 02:38:59 pm
Thx for the hard work. I have to say that i already watched them from other fansubs but they were pretty crappy compared to your average quality. I haven't seen yours yet but i know they are better.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on December 07, 2004, 03:26:18 pm
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^

The IS300, is equipped with the 2JZ-GE, with maximum power 157kW at 6000rpm and maximum torque 288Nm at 4000rpm


 

It´s somewhat strange that the IS200 is FR but the more powerful IS300 is FF and automatic!?!

Anybody knows the game Need for Speed Underground 2?
There you can get an idea whats the big deal about the AE86: Being lightweight!
A long as there are corners, you are able to outrun even turbo-carged and twice as powerful cars, even the LanEvo VIII or the Skyline.
I wish i could drive that car...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on December 07, 2004, 04:34:15 pm
the IS300 has a FR layout.  I think in Australia it is offered only as an automatic, not sure about other countries though.

NFSU is unrealistic.  have u ever noticed when ur so far ahead, the other cars always seem to catch up.
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Post by: Elchfaenger on December 07, 2004, 05:01:43 pm
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the IS300 has a FR layout.  I think in Australia it is offered only as an automatic, not sure about other countries though.

NFSU is unrealistic.  have u ever noticed when ur so far ahead, the other cars always seem to catch up.


Guess you are right about the Lexus. Must be a mistake on the german hp.
"catch up" is unrealistic, right. and in this nfs version you cant switch it off anymore. but what is more important to me: the behaviour of the cars  IS realistic, you can use the drift technics shown in initial d and so on
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Post by: angelan on December 07, 2004, 06:31:02 pm
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the IS300 has a FR layout.  I think in Australia it is offered only as an automatic, not sure about other countries though.


Hm...I don't know much about cars but I'm sure in Canada (and prob US) IS300s come in manual and auto. :)

Edit Linky --> IS300 (http://www.lexus.ca/lexus/experience/en/home/vehicles/is/veh_group.jsp?model=BD192P&series=is&year=2004)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on December 08, 2004, 12:44:49 am
isn't it funny when car companies list "Light-weight drilled aluminum foot pedals and chrome gear shift" as one of the cars features, I dont know about the rest of u, but I really dont care for crap like that, the engine,suspension...etc. is all that matters to me, heck take out the radio and A/C for all I care. Anyway you will be replacing those crappy foot pedals and gear shift with some high quality aftermarket ones.  
(written Consent- the opinions expressed here are solely of the author, it is not intented to insult or flame anyone,just my two cents)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: winddrifter86 on December 08, 2004, 09:12:00 am
hey what is the font that you(live evil) use on your inital D 4th stage subtitles
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on December 08, 2004, 05:46:56 pm
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isn't it funny when car companies list "Light-weight drilled aluminum foot pedals and chrome gear shift" as one of the cars features, I dont know about the rest of u, but I really dont care for crap like that, the engine,suspension...etc. is all that matters to me, heck take out the radio and A/C for all I care. Anyway you will be replacing those crappy foot pedals and gear shift with some high quality aftermarket ones.  
(written Consent- the opinions expressed here are solely of the author, it is not intented to insult or flame anyone,just my two cents)


lol yeah that point made me look twice at the site....i was like.....who...really cares? People who wanted them would buy their own along with all the other customs.  Unless their some high-end stuff....I don't see the point of listing it there, theres a lot of other stuff that could be listed there that would interest the people more.  

It was like a stupid commercial I heard on the radio the other day...*announcer voice*: We have a great deal on this new 2005 car, it has...blah-blah-blah...and FOUR DOORS!!!"  I'm like...wtf?!  the whole comercial...all i remember was his HUGE emphasis on the friggin doors.  Wow, does it come with 4 tires too??
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on December 08, 2004, 06:00:54 pm
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Wow, does it come with 4 tires too??

Yes, but the brakes are extra ::)
Seriously, how many people ever open the hood? And how many of them who do can name what they see there? Very few!
Most people care about looks, comfort, safety but not how the engine runs.. weird
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: winddrifter86 on December 09, 2004, 02:35:36 am
anyone wanna share the name of the font?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on December 09, 2004, 06:19:58 am
it true what Elchfaenger said, most people dont care about the engine, , its how comfy inside is.  Anyway, true Enthusiast would only care about important shit, for me the heart of the car is the most important piece, my first street turned race car is currently my 2nd favorite, after all I have to thank my father for the LS1 crate engine he got me. And yes it is a American car, yes I have many gripes about it, of course all that is fixable with some aftermarket, custom items.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on December 11, 2004, 02:47:21 pm
It looks like it's stopped for now, but I'll say this anyway:

No more flaming each other in this topic! Take it to private messages if you have to, since I can assure you that nobody is impressed by your flaming technique (and much less actually cares about the argument.)

In other news: I think I have a slight handle on my situation now, so despite the large timezone differences I'm planning on working on eps 9&10 in the future. Woohoo!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Spymon on December 11, 2004, 11:41:15 pm
Which is good news as it means I'll be saved from those evil, evil cars.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: ryot4 on December 14, 2004, 03:20:56 am
woot! eps 9 & 10 gonna air this saturday... so exited!

maybe we'll get to see kyoko nakid ^_^" ... *cough*
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on December 14, 2004, 07:28:46 am
y would kyoko get naked? lol I mean even if she likes keisuke she wouldn't do n e *cough cough* lol I just can't wait to see Tak race agains't Nobu
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mirage on December 14, 2004, 11:33:17 pm
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y would kyoko get naked? lol I mean even if she likes keisuke she wouldn't do n e *cough cough* lol I just can't wait to see Tak race agains't Nobu


I don't think they will be showing that one because Nobuhiko says that 86 is beyond this world on the downhill, he says he'll race but don't expect much...so that means Takumi wins with no issues at all

Its like how they never showed Keisuke racing until now, because Keisuke's races were pretty much jokes, and this one is the "FD Battle of Fate" haha

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on December 15, 2004, 05:30:44 am
ah yea I truly agree haha, and since there is only 6 eps left in the 4th Stage series I guess it'll take time to develop the story of Cid, EVO Men, and Bunta in his WRX, and did I miss n e other racers in the story or Manga?  Y'know I've thought bout project D's new team members in my mind, so I came up w/ 10 ppl total: Tak, Keisuke, Ryosuke, Zack, Kyle, Touch, Nobu, Wataru, Kai (guy in MR2), and Toru. (isn't this a good combine team ;D)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mirage on December 15, 2004, 09:11:51 am
Its not a good team because Takumi, Keisuke, and Ryosuke are better than all of them...

and who the hell are Zack, Kyle, and Touch?
and why even bother including Nobu...he's so bad they are going to leave his race out of the anime....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on December 15, 2004, 10:05:26 am
Well seeing how ur a newbie to Initial D and dont seem to know the names in both eng and jap so well....., zack, kyle and touch r based on their english name in the game so Zack would be guy in GTR 32, Kyle is EVO III, and Touch is the Civic type R pro racer=P and well I came up w/ those 10 ppl cuz I was planning on makin a script for my race team.  Like our story starts out by sayin we r the US pro street racers goin to Gunma and challenge the Project D.  Since I have 10 members in my team I might as well add 7 more ppl in Project D for the heck of it.  And if not Nobu, who else would u suggest?  Cid? (definitly not 2 guys from tokyo)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DashRattleWRX on December 15, 2004, 11:08:02 am
What about Kyouichi Sudou and Tomoyuki?


And english names?  Why would anyone want to know the english names.. that's just gay IMO  :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mirage on December 15, 2004, 06:28:29 pm
Dash Rattle - I think Kyle is Sudo and Touch is Tomoyuki
oh, GooWakJai, how do you know I'm a noob?
I feel like if you first learned of Initial D thru Tokyopop you really are the noob, because this series has been out for like 3 years...

edit: just remembered there was one more name he used...Zack = Nakazato (Night Kids)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on December 15, 2004, 09:35:09 pm
*shudders at the metion of Tak...rather than Takumi* >.< I mean is it so hard? you can spell Roysuke and Keisuke....why not Ta-ku-mi?  

Oh and it's been out for way more than 3 years. The anime alone has been out since 1998, manga ==>1996.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on December 15, 2004, 09:41:38 pm
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you can spell Roysuke and Keisuke....why not Ta-ku-mi?  


Look at his signature. wtf is "Ry"? :o

I principally dont like it, when names are "translated". Especially here, because japanese names are not hard to pronounce
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mirage on December 15, 2004, 10:21:17 pm
damn, the anime came out in 1998, wow...

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on December 15, 2004, 11:01:13 pm
okok no direct bashing (flaming) any member of this forum......maybe by Ry he was referring to some other guy he knows with a similar theory....or the character in his story that he mentioned with the name Ry.

i was merely stating that, like Elchfaenger, i don't like it when people translate NAMES of an ANIME character...i mean, heck, it's a Japanese name, the story takes place in Japan.  If the story took place in Germany, I expect some German names...unless the dude moved there from Japan.  I dont' see the need to change it.  Esp. when two languages have close to no corrolation. >.<  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on December 16, 2004, 03:38:07 am
u guys r just too damn uptight bout names.  Man, try to interact in many diff languages.  Im learnin Initial D through Japanese, Chinese and English.  Not a bad thing to try.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DeadAlready911 on December 16, 2004, 10:30:17 am
I think this has grown and then beat down the Wolf Rain thread.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: k4m1K4z3 on December 16, 2004, 11:08:48 am
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Its not a good team because Takumi, Keisuke, and Ryosuke are better than all of them...


for the record,
no, they are not better than Touch (tomoyuki Tachi for those crybabies about bagging on english names)
the only reason why takumi beat tachi was because of sheer luck (damn bird!)
and while we're at it

Kyoichi (kyle)
Sakamoto (cid)
nobuhiko (nobu)
Tachi (touch)
takeshi (zack)
wataru (aki)

and others....
anyways, leave goowakjai alone about the name thing, so waht if he uses the english names, he doesent have to use the Japanese names if he doesnt want to, so get off his case
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on December 16, 2004, 12:34:32 pm
Isnt that, what a pro should be able to do: Supress his reflexes? Ive already learned at driving school that i mustnt dodge animals on the road.
In the manga its says that takumi caught up by late braking and overtook him with his better gear ratio.

The win over the guy in the MR2 (dont remember his name) was sheer luck, because the leaves were not on takumis side.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on December 16, 2004, 06:11:35 pm
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for the record,
no, they are not better than Touch (tomoyuki Tachi for those crybabies about bagging on english names)
the only reason why takumi beat tachi was because of sheer luck (damn bird!)
and while we're at it

Kyoichi (kyle)
Sakamoto (cid)
nobuhiko (nobu)
Tachi (touch)
takeshi (zack)
wataru (aki)

and others....
anyways, leave goowakjai alone about the name thing, so waht if he uses the english names, he doesent have to use the Japanese names if he doesnt want to, so get off his case


I believe it was a cat that ran accross the road ;D

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Look at his signature. wtf is "Ry"? :o

I principally dont like it, when names are "translated". Especially here, because japanese names are not hard to pronounce


<cough>Cut and PAste (http://initiald.sega.jp/english/ac_ver03/chara08.html) ;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on December 16, 2004, 08:00:19 pm
hmmm...RY, KT and Taku, icic....
*keeps clicking* LOL, Dice, Smiley!!?? hahaha thanks, that made my day ^^

at least Bunta is still Bunta >.<
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on December 16, 2004, 11:13:36 pm
Oh well, they mix up Civic with GT-R 34...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on December 17, 2004, 07:55:00 am
Bunta is Bunta and sumhow Shingo got to keep his name in Japanese and so does Kenji=P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: k4m1K4z3 on December 17, 2004, 10:18:07 am
the amazing thing is , dice and smiley also have the same names in Japanese "daisu, and sumaiuri (or somthing like that)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on December 18, 2004, 07:34:41 am
which translates dice and smiley in english.  Ain't that like hirugana or sumthin when u write it out?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Akirasuto on December 18, 2004, 03:41:07 pm
I think their names is english to start with, rather than the other way around.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: SiL-080 on December 18, 2004, 05:06:43 pm
anyone know where i can get the raws for 9-10
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: LancerEvo on December 19, 2004, 01:13:45 am
http://www.l33t-raws.org/bt/

i am downloading them right now
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on December 19, 2004, 02:54:14 am
how long will LE take to sub em?  I mean like normally, not like last time
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrEVOIII on December 19, 2004, 11:23:07 pm
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how long will LE take to sub em?  I mean like normally, not like last time

Hopefully 6 months - 1 year....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Hex on December 19, 2004, 11:54:09 pm
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Hopefully 6 months - 1 year....


At the begining of 4th stage L-E where quite quick with the releases, this is what he is refering to. I cant remember how long it was now, something like a week or so between airing and the first sub'd ep torrent up, I think.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Akirasuto on December 20, 2004, 01:15:11 am
Same vague answer as usual : whenever it's done.

OK, that's not much of an answer. The ID 4 crew is striving to be more snappy about it, hopefully it doesn't take as long.

As always no guarantees ;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Love_Eun_Hye on December 20, 2004, 07:28:25 am
I can wait for LE's version. It's the best^^
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: disoneaznpnoy2o9 on December 20, 2004, 06:11:32 pm
aye initial d 9 and 10th episode just came out at this one web i wonder when are u guys gonna do the subs for this episode its even way better than any other subs. well i will be looking forward to this soon aight then yall see ya later...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on December 20, 2004, 11:10:27 pm
I agree.....GAMBA-TE! LE
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on December 21, 2004, 12:57:59 am
u people need to chill, The eps just came out, and did u forget that this is exam week. Hopefully after X-mas we will see the eps. Either way I will be busy fingering people at the mall for a parking space.

P.S- to L-E, take as long as u want, quality over speed.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mirage on December 21, 2004, 03:46:03 am
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for the record,
no, they are not better than Touch (tomoyuki Tachi for those crybabies about bagging on english names)
the only reason why takumi beat tachi was because of sheer luck (damn bird!)


Dude, Takumi had to make up a lot of distance after Tomoyuki bumped him out of the way.  He drove with no lights for the last quarter of the race and stuck on his ass waiting for a mistake, which came when Tomoyuki dodged the idiot cat that ran across the race course.  It's Tomoyuki's fault he dodged, he could have run the cat over and killed it and still gone on and won, his instant reflex was to dodge and Takumi capitalized on that mistake.  Whether or not you call it luck is a matter of opinion.  I will say this though, Ryosuke is much better than Tomoyuki.  Takumi says so in the beginning of the next episode.

So with the dream team of Keisuke, Ryosuke, and Takumi they can take on anyone, Ryosuke would have no trouble taking down pros, and in my eyes neither would Keisuke and Takumi.  Also you will find out that in this stage of the series Keisuke is slightly better than Takumi, they had a race in the manga which will definitely make an episode somewhere along this stage.  So that trio would pretty much be unstoppable, it would take a serious pro with some serious car to take them down.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on December 21, 2004, 07:32:27 am
^

Bunta :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GunsmithCat on December 22, 2004, 12:38:12 pm
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^

Bunta :)


Bunta's the man, undoubtedly. I can't wait to see more of him with that 22B. Bunta's gotta have the hookup on anything auto performance at this point. He got that crazy 20V 4AG motor for the 86, got the 22B, wonder if he could somehow hookup a R26B motor for Keisuke's car?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on December 23, 2004, 01:09:47 am
I liked this one quote in the manga describing Bunta: "He can drift while he sleeps" lol
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on December 24, 2004, 02:22:49 am
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Bunta's the man, undoubtedly. I can't wait to see more of him with that 22B. Bunta's gotta have the hookup on anything auto performance at this point. He got that crazy 20V 4AG motor for the 86, got the 22B, wonder if he could somehow hookup a R26B motor for Keisuke's car?


It's not a 22b, it's a V5 (might be a 6, but I doubt it) with the 22b front bumper and rear spoiler. The 22b has huge fender flares, sits lower, and the vents on the hood look different.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Red_Suns_FC3S on December 24, 2004, 11:11:48 am
Just wanted to say thank you! For your very timely release of 4th stage. Now that's what I call a timely one. I thank you  for that Christmas gift! It will hit the spot tommrow after a grueling day of work (on christmas eve.)  Thank you again! And I hope all your Christmas; (and for those who don't celebrate.) or holiday wishes come true. Make somebody happy on the 25th!!! I hope everybody has happy holidays and a merry christmas to all!

Thanks again!!

- Slade ^_^
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: k4m1K4z3 on December 24, 2004, 11:21:27 am
i will give takumi his credit for adapting to the blind attack and getting close to tomoyuki, but the stone cold fact is still that takumi won by luck because you know takumi would have done the same thing, hell, he may have even crashed, who knows? but im still sticking to the fact that tomoyuki is better than project D, ryosuke is a very brilliant thinker, but he's no longer the "white comet"

takumi SAYS ryosuke is better? TAKUMI SAYS!?!?! takumi is a good racer, NOT a good analyzer i wouldint believe takumi for a second because he still barley knows what he is talking about, he is just a good racer and thats it(well he is a good analyzer ONLY when he races but i still wouldint trust his word when he said that)

lets not forget the incident with kai at Irohasaka and takumis "victory" (pile of leaves anyone?)
I'll see you soon =)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Tofusensei on December 24, 2004, 08:40:30 pm
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Just wanted to say thank you! For your very timely release of 4th stage. Now that's what I call a timely one. I thank you  for that Christmas gift! It will hit the spot tommrow after a grueling day of work (on christmas eve.)  Thank you again! And I hope all your Christmas; (and for those who don't celebrate.) or holiday wishes come true. Make somebody happy on the 25th!!! I hope everybody has happy holidays and a merry christmas to all!

Thanks again!!

- Slade ^_^



Glad you appreciate the gesture! May all your Christmases be merry ^^

-Tofu
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: My_S13_Sucks on December 25, 2004, 10:34:24 am
Wow live-evil.....you guys released these new eps fast!! Thanks for the hard work you put into releasing these episodes so fast... You guys give better service than poeple who are PAYED to complete jobs\projects!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on December 25, 2004, 08:44:00 pm
Wow guys, you're awesome!  Thanks for getting the episodes out so increbily fast. :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Duo on December 26, 2004, 12:38:36 am
Episodes 9-10 were great. Thanks for putting them out before Christmas. It was like a present from you.


Kyoko looked so hot in Episode 9 Why did Keisuke pass her up. Tsk tsk....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on December 26, 2004, 05:14:36 am
aye, Thank you very much for this christmas present, I just got back this evening, and found its out, felt like someone left a present inside my comp. thank you again and a merry christmas to you.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on December 29, 2004, 08:36:52 am
Damn...............right quick. You guys Rule. Keep it up.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: zector on December 29, 2004, 12:58:18 pm
We intend to :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vash on December 30, 2004, 09:29:53 am
SPAM
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: altura on December 30, 2004, 12:55:18 pm
can someone please tell me what fd and fc mean...i've searched for it and cant find an answer anywhere
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Recca168 on December 30, 2004, 03:13:16 pm
The FD and FC are RX-7s
The yellow one in initial D is the FD
The white one is the FC
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on December 30, 2004, 05:32:22 pm
afaik the first Mazda rx-7 was the SA 2 (also called Savanna) followed by the FC and finally the FD.
Of course all of them have rotary engines and the later FCs and FDs are turbocharged.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mirage on December 31, 2004, 08:32:58 am
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i will give takumi his credit for adapting to the blind attack and getting close to tomoyuki, but the stone cold fact is still that takumi won by luck because you know takumi would have done the same thing, hell, he may have even crashed, who knows? but im still sticking to the fact that tomoyuki is better than project D, ryosuke is a very brilliant thinker, but he's no longer the "white comet"

takumi SAYS ryosuke is better? TAKUMI SAYS!?!?! takumi is a good racer, NOT a good analyzer i wouldint believe takumi for a second because he still barley knows what he is talking about, he is just a good racer and thats it(well he is a good analyzer ONLY when he races but i still wouldint trust his word when he said that)

lets not forget the incident with kai at Irohasaka and takumis "victory" (pile of leaves anyone?)


Ok, I want to know why you think Ryosuke is no longer the White Comet.  As far as I'm concerned he still is.

Takumi says that Ryosuke is better because Takumi sat in Ryosuke's FC and then Takumi raced.  I think that he would know who was running faster, taking better lines etc.  Even if you think he's a shitty race analyzer, you have to agree that his gut instinct, sense of speed and control are amazing, and I'm sure he could tell since he knew the pace and line Ryosuke showed him and then he actually went out there and did it.

Also, Takumi not being a good analyzer is the Takumi of the first few stages, who didn't know he drove an 86, didn't know what a Skyline, FD, or FC was.  The episode right after he races Tomoyuki shows him call exactly when Iketani would be passed he analyzes the whole thing while racing down the mountain in the most POS car in the series.  Also, right before that they talk about how much he's changed because he picks apart the problems in the 85, sure he admits he didn't do as good a job as the Project D guys, but you have to admit that its a lot better than anyone in that scene could do.

Sure he can't analyze like Ryosuke, but Ryosuke's analysis skills literally are inhuman (recall earlier stages where on a mountain top he will watch&listen to the cars, and hear idiots babble on cell phones and piece the race together).

And Irohasaka with the MR2, the kid did something ridiculuous...he freakin jumped the car.  The fact that Takumi figured how how to do it IN the race, shows who was better, the finish didn't matter, Kai realized he was screwed when Takumi started doin the jump BETTER than he did. (If you don't believe me go back and watch the race, Takumi cuts it as close to the rail as possible)  So, sure he got lucky with the win, but if he wasn't as amazing as he is he wouldn't even have had a chance at luck, (does that make sense?).

On one hand I hate that your comments make me think so much about a damned cartoon, but on the other hand it gives me something interesting to do while I sit on my ass and wait for my new motor to show up...

Keep it comin, this is fun :)

please keep in mind in no way am I personally attackin you or nothin

Thanks for readin this far heh
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on December 31, 2004, 08:39:54 am
give it a rest Mirage ur boring ppl........Geez....... (as a matter of fact I agee w/ k4m1K4z3)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GunsmithCat on December 31, 2004, 10:46:59 am
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can someone please tell me what fd and fc mean...i've searched for it and cant find an answer anywhere


FC represents only the Second Generation Mazda RX-7 being that the letters "FC" are only found in the 1986-1991 RX-7s VIN Number. FD represents only the Third Generation Mazda RX-7 being that the letters "FD" are only found in the 1993+ RX-7s VIN Number. Rotaries really kick ass IMHO. For more RX-7 info see here: http://www.turborx7.com/

(http://www.turborx7.com/images/repics/3danim.gif)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on December 31, 2004, 09:13:55 pm
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On one hand I hate that your comments make me think so much about a damned cartoon, but on the other hand it gives me something interesting to do while I sit on my ass and wait for my new motor to show up...


hahah, I was thinking why are people arguing about a cartoon, but I read 'em anyway since it kills time.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on January 01, 2005, 10:41:43 pm
Happy New Years to LE and everyone
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on January 01, 2005, 11:53:39 pm
happy new year!!!! :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sokaris on January 02, 2005, 07:42:33 am
Look its Ryosuke..

(http://www.geocities.com/teru23/glay/hisa-pati02.JPG)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on January 04, 2005, 06:25:44 am
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Look its Ryosuke..

(http://www.geocities.com/teru23/glay/hisa-pati02.JPG)


........................................................... ???
I dont know where to start..... :o
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: azndvl on January 04, 2005, 12:46:48 pm
hows about start at, its not Ryosuke....lol
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: makakazo on January 05, 2005, 12:11:13 am
Hi there, i'm a spanish fansubber and i'm doing 4th Stage -with spanish subs- all by myself because no group is doing it at the moment.

I have been using raws from l33t-raws so far without major problems, but i'm stuck at ep 7 because of the raw. It is a very bad rip with many undecodable frames and i've been struggling to fix it and use it. I was able to fix the video by many ways but i can't rip the audio from the raw to recompress it at a lower quality because when i add it later the audio does not match the video. It is a problem of those bad frames which also affect the audio interleaving and everything i've tried so far has failed.

As i use the LE-IDE version for the translation - both credited :) i've seen that your raw is perfect. I guess you get your own raws. I'd like to know if anyone knows where i could get a decent raw or even if ot could be possible for someone who has it to send it to me.

Thnx in advance, and thanks LE for your great fansubbing :)

Contact: viva_mate@hotmail.com
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sokaris on January 05, 2005, 08:28:21 am
El Dorifto!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: azndvl on January 05, 2005, 12:33:07 pm
guess what everyone i managed to get hold of an AE86 :) the AE-101 is on its way as well :D ill post some pics up for you when it comes.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on January 16, 2005, 05:00:43 am
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Azn_GooWakJai/3c6a81a6.jpg)

Took this RX-7 in SF the Mascone Auto Show.  *sigh* how I wish I had this car...........=(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on January 16, 2005, 08:45:03 pm
Wonder if I can legally attach that front splitter to the front of mine - beyond ~145 MPH the front starts to lift (Possibly due to too much rear down force at that speed according to a race engineer friend of mine).
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on January 21, 2005, 07:22:20 am
yay this is me from my earlier days hairpin drift (http://www.users.on.net/~tomchow/MVI_0767.avi) [RIGHT CLICK SAVE AS]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: medowance on January 22, 2005, 11:31:43 am
any idea when the live version is coming out???
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Divinity on February 02, 2005, 10:47:13 pm
and is there a project about episodes 11&12..
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on February 03, 2005, 07:53:05 pm
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and is there a project about episodes 11&12..


http://avexmode.jp/animation/initial/initial.html

11 and 12 air the 19th of this month.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Divinity on February 03, 2005, 08:31:30 pm
Hmm, thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on February 04, 2005, 02:07:21 pm
gran turismo 4 comes out on the 10th of march.
only 15 more days til ep 11 and 12 air
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on February 05, 2005, 12:13:14 pm
I dont wanna scare myself but is it just me or is most of the bittorent pages I've been surfing not workin or WAT??
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: 3sgte on February 06, 2005, 07:21:28 pm
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I dont wanna scare myself but is it just me or is most of the bittorent pages I've been surfing not workin or WAT??



Kinda old news, but:
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/57930

Is this what you are referring to?


Thanks to the L-E crew for the excellent subs!
I just read (waded in a few spots) through all 56 odd pages of this thread. There is some good info in there!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on February 07, 2005, 02:33:51 am
Does that mean lotta of the Bittorent trackers wont work???? Well if it is then I am filled w/ RAGE!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DARCnarc on February 08, 2005, 06:27:52 pm
dun worry, www.torrentsearch.com -- the best originally and still goin strong has all the torrent links u'll eva need, + lotsa porn!!... tho i would never be interested in such a crude and ungentlemanly thing ;@P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Vash on February 09, 2005, 08:59:45 pm
Interesting. Here is ID4 and your talking about porn.
Well cars and women do make a good match.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on February 10, 2005, 03:03:37 am
Ur link doesn't work! Now im even more worried! it may be just me but y dont other peeps here try the link  too.  

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dun worry, www.torrentsearch.com -- the best originally and still goin strong has all the torrent links u'll eva need, + lotsa porn!!... tho i would never be interested in such a crude and ungentlemanly thing ;@P

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Paddy on February 11, 2005, 03:49:16 am
Hmmm 4 more eps and its finished some how this series wasnt so good... The last 4 eps have to really good to make up for wot seems like a disappointment...

I presuming 13-14 will be takumi vs bunta...

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on February 11, 2005, 10:30:01 am
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I presuming 13-14 will be takumi vs bunta...



If it is, imho, it'd make up for it
;D

<--me like bunta's car
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on February 12, 2005, 11:38:23 am
http://www.vip-torrents.com/
http://www.torrentspy.com/
Ber-Pa-Der
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on February 12, 2005, 02:35:24 pm
I was watching some Best Motoring Videos while waiting for the next ID release and saw the drivers do something that doesnt make sense to me:
After braking into a corner and accelerating towards the next they often touch the brake pedal.
No idea why... ???
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Cov on February 13, 2005, 08:45:58 pm
That's them tapping the brake pedal a couple of seconds before braking yes? if so, they are pressurizing the system for optimal braking efficiency.

You know if you pump the brakes without the engine on then eventually you cant push the pedal down any more? Same thing, only in this case they are doing it to get rid of the "dead spot" on the pedal, and for optimal braking.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on February 14, 2005, 07:53:00 am
Eps 11-12 coming next week!! Can't wait.  Keep up the good work LE u guys are almost done!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: bchan5 on February 15, 2005, 07:37:35 pm
damn... that's excellent Cov... never would have guess... I thought they just had itchy feet and had nothing else to do between corners!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: irockash on February 16, 2005, 08:59:20 am
wow... 57 pages worth of posts... too much to look through!

so 11 and 12 air this weekend? sorry if i seem lazy and noOb... but whens 13 and 14... i know its in april but ithe actual dates

thanks!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tooocool49723 on February 17, 2005, 08:27:17 am
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I was watching some Best Motoring Videos while waiting for the next ID release and saw the drivers do something that doesnt make sense to me:
After braking into a corner and accelerating towards the next they often touch the brake pedal.
No idea why... ???



Also, depending on the situation, left foot braking.  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 18, 2005, 07:09:23 pm
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wow... 57 pages worth of posts... too much to look through!

so 11 and 12 air this weekend? sorry if i seem lazy and noOb... but whens 13 and 14... i know its in april but ithe actual dates

thanks!



April 16th is for the last two episodes. 11 and 12 aired friday night in japan (about right now)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: SiL-080 on February 19, 2005, 08:06:43 am
anyone got a link to the raws yet?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 19, 2005, 11:11:35 am
nope  :(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Love_Eun_Hye on February 19, 2005, 08:58:04 pm
I've been looking for Raw in several web but there is no sign at all - -*

I'm dying waiting for them - -*
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on February 19, 2005, 09:16:20 pm
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I was watching some Best Motoring Videos while waiting for the next ID release and saw the drivers do something that doesnt make sense to me:
After braking into a corner and accelerating towards the next they often touch the brake pedal.
No idea why... ???

I'm sorry but Cov's answer is wrong.  The reason for it is to allign the ballance of the car for the corner.
Next time you drive, feel what the body of your car does when you accelerate and brake.  When you do one of these you do shift the ballance.  On the track (or in a race), you break to reduce speed, back off hte brakes to bring the ballance back, then just before you turn the corner, tap the brakes to move the body weight slightly forwards again, aplying more sprung weight to the front wheels and thus haelping provide more grip.  Also if you're entering a drift (however small), it reduces the weight at the back.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on February 19, 2005, 09:18:33 pm
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Also, depending on the situation, left foot braking.  

Left foot braking is used to counter under-steer, so especially used in FWD and AWD cars.  It is very very difficult to get right as pressing the pedal too hard will bleed off too much speed, ratehr nthan help tuck the nose of the car in.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: RacingManiac on February 20, 2005, 04:02:49 am
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I'm sorry but Cov's answer is wrong.  The reason for it is to allign the ballance of the car for the corner.
Next time you drive, feel what the body of your car does when you accelerate and brake.  When you do one of these you do shift the ballance.  On the track (or in a race), you break to reduce speed, back off hte brakes to bring the ballance back, then just before you turn the corner, tap the brakes to move the body weight slightly forwards again, aplying more sprung weight to the front wheels and thus haelping provide more grip.  Also if you're entering a drift (however small), it reduces the weight at the back.


Weight transfer won't happen unless your car is accelerating(positive or negative accleration, ie speed up or slow down). They will not want the car to slow down on the straight before you enter a braking zone. Most driver do it to pre-pressurize the line and make sure the pad are seated against the rotor, and also as a precautionary measure to see if the brake has any problem. This is especially critical for those racing in endurance type of racing, or even NASCAR(road couses especially). If you ever seen any of the footwell cam in ALMS or NASCAR races, they usually do that midway and before they would have to brake after a long straight. If they discover they have no brake they would have more time and longer distance to figure how to slow the car down.

Left foot braking is not necessary just for FWD and AWD car. Almost all the single seater series now, be it as F1 or Indy Car, they all adapt to using left foot braking. As it give driver a better control during the critical entry phase....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: rectri on February 20, 2005, 06:03:46 am
Ready one's hyper mode,  because!

Raw - Initial D Fourth Stage - 11 (l33t-raw) (http://www2.l33t-raws.org/phpBB2/get_torrent.php/63bc817a9c46650e62d5cd443880e08d9c23edce/%5Bl33t-raws%5DInitial_D_Fourth_Stage_11_(640x352_120FPS_DivX511).%5B08074245%5D.avi.torrent)

Raw is war! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: rectri on February 20, 2005, 06:12:56 am
Oh, and...

Raw - Initial D Fourth Stage - 12 (http://www2.l33t-raws.org/phpBB2/get_torrent.php/0d73101429a280c5104f556f5b0bbbe9da6aea81/%5Bl33t-raws%5DInitial_D_Fourth_Stage_12_(640x352_120FPS_DivX511).%5B73B82889%5D.avi.torrent)

Weeee.......... cheers!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: randomdriver on February 20, 2005, 06:58:32 am
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I was watching some Best Motoring Videos while waiting for the next ID release and saw the drivers do something that doesnt make sense to me:
After braking into a corner and accelerating towards the next they often touch the brake pedal.
No idea why... ???


Another reason is sometimes they find themselves going too fast.  It again has to do with weight transfer.  If the racing line for the turn turn can be taken with the accelerator down and at say, 100mph based on grip, track bank, etc, you will want to take advantage of that.  but if you come out of the previous corner  and you know you will exceed 100 before you hit the straight, you're better off letting off the accelerator or possibly even press brake if exceeeding 100.  this will slow or hold ur car until you hit the point where you can accelerate and bring the car to exactly 100 for the bend.  in this way, you can get the car to "balance" back before the corner and give you optimal grip and allow you to take the corner as fast as possible and get you the best exit speed and acceleration.  
the previous post on pressuring the line is also correct.  it all comes down to what will get you the fastest lap time, different corners and following straights/corners will dictate what drivers choose to do.  at least the professional ones.   ;D  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: randomdriver on February 20, 2005, 07:01:58 am
yay! raws are out; subs can't be far off. =)  keep up the great work live-evil!  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 20, 2005, 12:03:52 pm
does anyone know how long live usually is with initial D?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: randomdriver on February 20, 2005, 01:06:36 pm
it really varies.  i seem to remember there was once where they had a turn around of less than 2 days.  but then again, there was that time for 7 and 8 that took over a month.  but in the end, it's a free service that they provide out of the goodness of their heart.  =)  just sit tight and read up on the f1 news or watch some nextel racing and it'll be out before ya know it.

thx for the great work so far live-evil-ers  and hopefully we can "pressure" you guys into a fast turn around.  =P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on February 20, 2005, 02:39:24 pm
hey, i just saw the intro

i think theres a gold bnr34 and blue ap1
does anyone know if we'll be seein them soon?

and keisuke has the mazdaspeed gt wing . amemiya hood and clear headlight conversion
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on February 20, 2005, 09:07:04 pm
okay 133t-raws.com is down, anyone else know a good Raws site??
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on February 21, 2005, 12:07:17 am
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thx for the great work so far live-evil-ers  and hopefully we can "pressure" you guys into a fast turn around.  =P


hrm....i believe to some extent "pressure" works against those who are waiting.  [smiley=albator7k.gif] Go back a good number of pages and reminise on the posting about: "the next time I hear someone else ask for ID4 I'm gonna delay the release an extra day"

Just don't "pester" and you'll be fine.....if you start whining and complaining....that's a big turnoff...and I'll gladly offer slaps with cold fish for those.

Just know, it's being worked on.  [smiley=austinou.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on February 21, 2005, 06:46:26 am
Thank u L-E for ur hard work. After seeing the raws, My jaw just drooped. For the people who have not watched the raws, dont bother. Just wait for L-E release, u will be glad that u hadnt watched the raws. Theres good news and bad news.
Good News, looks like we are garuanteed a 5th stage, dont see how they can end the storyline in 2 eps.
Bad News is that L-E will probably take longer than usual, cause of the new opening/ending, but that shouldnt be a problem to the patient ones.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 21, 2005, 07:15:43 am
Righteous... 5th stage.. that should be crucial
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: rectri on February 21, 2005, 09:43:34 am
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hey, i just saw the intro

i think theres a gold bnr34 and blue ap1
does anyone know if we'll be seein them soon?



Yeah, I think that was Bunta's Subaru!

[bad info, baka me]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: _v0rani on February 21, 2005, 10:19:01 am
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Yeah, I think that was Bunta's Subaru!

Oh... I did a bit of googling and found some Initial D car model kits, the car isn't a 34, it's a S14 Silvia. Oh, man, I wonder if this is going to be the episode 13 and 14 battle. Rawl... Here's a pic... =)

(http://us.st2.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/matrixcollectibles_1834_28567335)


That's Kenta's car... and I believe that was in either stage 1 or 2. The rainy backdrop is a dead giveaway seeing how Kenta is the wet track specialist (right...).

Also notice the LACK OF A CF HOOD ON THE AE86
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: _v0rani on February 21, 2005, 10:23:15 am
I'm going to assume that there's a new intro since I've never seen a BNR or a AP1 in the exsisting (eps 1-10) intro/ending.... stupid crappy australian ISP capping.

Also ID is in KM/H
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: rectri on February 21, 2005, 10:35:55 am
Yeah, lol. I just found out, I was watching 12 and saw that it was Kentas. My error, I was to excited to notice. Lol.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on February 21, 2005, 10:51:50 am
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Yeah, I think that was Bunta's Subaru!

Oh... I did a bit of googling and found some Initial D car model kits, the car isn't a 34, it's a S14 Silvia. Oh, man, I wonder if this is going to be the episode 13 and 14 battle. Rawl... Here's a pic... =)  



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Supra_Saiyan/r34ap1.jpg)

rectri, its definetly a gold/yellow r34 gtr and blue s2000
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sti_Brumby on February 21, 2005, 11:32:14 am
Good job so far guy's   ;D Keep up the great work use do for free.

Thanks clinton
Ausubaru.com
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: rectri on February 21, 2005, 11:38:26 am
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Supra_Saiyan/r34ap1.jpg)

rectri, its definetly a gold/yellow r34 gtr and blue s2000



Oh, you are right, this forum was talking about it too: http://www.active-x.net/cgi-bin/~initialdx/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=idmanga;action=display;num=1095463867

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on February 21, 2005, 01:34:12 pm
The new OP and ED will definitely make this project take longer than previous episodes. As for whether to anticipate a short or long release, I honestly can't tell you. The usual mantra, "when it's done."

Hmm, if I say "long" then it'll look so much better if it does actually turn out to be short... :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: erAser_crAsh on February 21, 2005, 05:26:15 pm
I'd like to know something.
Fourth stage ends at which number of the Initial D manga volume ?
Because as far as I know, there are more than 20 mangas out in Japan, so maybe we have enough materia to have up to a 10th stage ?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 21, 2005, 08:19:25 pm
lol, definatly not. Because in Vol. 18 Tak is gonnna Vs. Tohru, from 1 few eps of 4th stage.  There is enough mango to make a 5th stage as of now. Definatly not a 10th.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 21, 2005, 08:35:18 pm
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hrm....i believe to some extent "pressure" works against those who are waiting.  [smiley=albator7k.gif] Go back a good number of pages and reminise on the posting about: "the next time I hear someone else ask for ID4 I'm gonna delay the release an extra day"

Just don't "pester" and you'll be fine.....if you start whining and complaining....that's a big turnoff...and I'll gladly offer slaps with cold fish for those.

Just know, it's being worked on.  [smiley=austinou.gif]




yes!.... being worked on
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: erAser_crAsh on February 21, 2005, 09:11:59 pm
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lol, definatly not. There is enough mango to make a 5th stage as of now. Definatly not a 10th.


Ok, so I bet it's quite unuseful for me to get my hands on the manga to see what's going to happen next. I don't want to spoil this series out. And as one of my friends says : "Remember, you are 4 Stage in front of us. The DVDs of First Stage are not out yet here.".
I guess they'll know how I feel when the first DVDs are released down here in France :)

Thanks for the info though :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on February 22, 2005, 01:55:37 am
the BNR is the foot of god, and the S2000 is the arm of god (and yes they are damn good). thats all I'll say for now, if u need any more info, just search for the manga. Unlike most people, Iam not waiting impateintly for these 2 eps, since I have read far into the manga.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 22, 2005, 02:59:42 am
i couldn't find up to that far.. where do i get it?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on February 22, 2005, 06:09:53 am
Did ep 11-12 come out in Raw this week?>
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 22, 2005, 07:50:28 am
yea, over the weekend. L E said that its being worked on, somewhere in the last page... i hope it comes out tonight or tomorrow
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: randomdriver on February 22, 2005, 10:52:35 am
anyways, to pass the time.  a random line from a random seb song that sounds great but makes no sense, as usual. =P

"I want my supersonic baby; dancing pretty lady."
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage (BOULDER ,move)
Post by: ryan1234 on February 22, 2005, 10:07:08 pm
Does anyone knoe where i can download this album BOULDER (Japan Version),move? appreciate if u could help ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 22, 2005, 11:45:33 pm
is that the new opening?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on February 23, 2005, 01:28:25 am
Ryan, U can get Boulder at www.idforums.net. (http://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=11903, if u are already a member)
U have to sign up, then u will see a torrents section.
Iam will be seeding for the next 3 days.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mikku on February 23, 2005, 02:33:07 am
Hello Initial D Fans

I would like to ask if anyone knows where could the full verison of the battle song intro for stage 4 in mp3 format.

thanks

Mikku
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 23, 2005, 03:29:34 am
hey mikku, ive got full versions, but i dont know where a torrent is. talk to me, if you want to get them from me over AIM or somethin
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on February 23, 2005, 03:41:33 am
Actually there is this song by MOVE called World's End Rebirth.  I wish they had that as a new Opening for 4th Stage.  And Fall into Doze also by MOVE as outro
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mikku on February 23, 2005, 04:55:22 am
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hey mikku, ive got full versions, but i dont know where a torrent is. talk to me, if you want to get them from me over AIM or somethin



i have msn.

okamime@hotmail.com
thanks if you could send the file. [smiley=biggrin.gif]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: ryan1234 on February 23, 2005, 05:34:34 am
hellbent
thanks for ur help apprecitae ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 23, 2005, 07:10:49 am
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i have msn.

okamime@hotmail.com
thanks if you could send the file. [smiley=biggrin.gif]



ok sure sometime tonight good?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on February 23, 2005, 07:39:21 am
I still think that the songs from Stage 1 and 2 were the best ones they made.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 23, 2005, 07:53:39 am
yeah the galla ones... does anyone have Galla stuff?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: SiL-080 on February 24, 2005, 12:21:18 am
anyone notice who was dricing the sti in the new intro :D

if not check it out hehe
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on February 24, 2005, 05:57:11 am
to answer for all the people who are requesting songs. Just go to www.idforums.net. Once u sign up, they have a whole section dedicated to ID music and torrents. I have just about any song related to ID, and usually seeding a album.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 24, 2005, 06:43:03 am
tight.


...hopefully soon!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on February 24, 2005, 08:03:20 am
Well i bought the Super Eurobeat Initial D Millenium Box since the money that goes for it will help make more awsome Initial D stuff. Right now i am on my way to buy the Stage 4 D selection. :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on February 24, 2005, 08:24:35 am
I've always loved this music.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 24, 2005, 07:25:44 pm
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I've always loved this music.



yeah the music in initial D is really good, from music, to themes, to techno.

So whats everybody's favorite theme?

Mine's Galla: Kimi Ga Iru - 2nd stage
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on February 24, 2005, 11:12:39 pm
Mine would have to be Speedy Speed Boy
I have the song but im not sure who does it... mine just says initial d - speedy speed boy
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on February 25, 2005, 12:32:12 am
Well mine would be Take Me Back To Tokyo from Stage 1. Its got an awsome mix of techno and words.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: irockash on February 25, 2005, 01:28:37 am
I need your love! i think its dave rogers... im not sure... but the 1st stage non-stop mix was off the damn chain!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mikku on February 25, 2005, 01:48:46 am
mine would be and in this order.

1. save me - leslie parrich
2. take my soul - mickey b.
3. stay - victoria
4. blast my desire
5. dogfight
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on February 25, 2005, 05:44:17 am
HAHA I got that Millenium Box ages ago.  Like a few yrs back when Initial D was a lil bit popular in Hong Kong. It came w/ a T-shirt, but now it dont fit me :(
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Well i bought the Super Eurobeat Initial D Millenium Box since the money that goes for it will help make more awsome Initial D stuff. Right now i am on my way to buy the Stage 4 D selection. :)

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: RacingManiac on February 25, 2005, 06:58:53 am
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anyone notice who was dricing the sti in the new intro :D

if not check it out hehe


yeah that is surprising....since Bunta probably won't let Takumi touch his "own" car...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 25, 2005, 07:47:32 am
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yeah that is surprising....since Bunta probably won't let Takumi touch his "own" car...


ahhh i want to see it so bad, but i dont wanna watch the raws.... just gonna have to wait patiently...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on February 25, 2005, 07:52:37 am
I already watched the raws and man i wish i didn't... These episodes are gonna be awsome like always :)  But i'm just too impatient when it comes to Initial D.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sti_Brumby on February 25, 2005, 08:22:18 am
apparently if it's not out by this week end another sub group is releasing there's on sunday

clint.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on February 25, 2005, 08:42:39 am
Too bad i wont watch anyones subs but Live Evils...I have faith that theres will be out this weekend...and im so glad i brought myself to delete the raws after i watched the new beginning... itll be so much better when i can know whats going on...LE we love you.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 25, 2005, 09:02:43 am
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I already watched the raws and man i wish i didn't... These episodes are gonna be awsome like always :)  But i'm just too impatient when it comes to Initial D.



lol you have no idea how much patience this takes me to wait and not see, ive watched the entire series over a few days, just waiting....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sti_Brumby on February 25, 2005, 09:22:41 am
haha i'm with you there Ryouske i've been watching intial d aswell 1 2 3 and 1-10of stage 4. Also been watching naruto :P

clint.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GunsmithCat on February 25, 2005, 09:54:59 am
Went through 1-10 of 4th stage yesterday. Feel sorry for everyone out there on the road afterwords when I took off in the car. I love driving hard, lucky I haven't been arrested for reckless yet.....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mikku on February 25, 2005, 11:22:14 am
johno2004!!!
delete your post before they see it and they'll delay cuz of you.....
delete it damn it....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on February 25, 2005, 08:02:00 pm
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apparently if it's not out by this week end another sub group is releasing there's on sunday

clint.


hm.....that's sounds kinda.....funny. so only IF we don't release they'll release on sunday? and when will they start their translation and timing and qc? perhaps, saturday night after their party and everyone's pumped up with booze!

Good luck with that.... [smiley=biggrin.gif] perhaps it'll be another parody....damn those were funny.  

but honestly, for everyone here who says, i'm gonna go try another subber......GO try already, stop complinaing here.  I DARE you! but don't come back complaining when it's no good.  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on February 25, 2005, 08:52:51 pm
Yeah listen to Angelan i want my LE subs already so dont get mine delayed!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: debchan on February 25, 2005, 09:12:39 pm
Honestly.  Am I the only one here who remembers waiting MONTHS for VHS fansubs, and usually crappy, multi generation ones at that?  A week or two is nothing.

And yeah, have to agree with Angelan.  If you want to try another group, go ahead.  But I've yet to see even one that came close to the quality of LE-IDE.  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 25, 2005, 10:03:43 pm
yeah! we want LE subs, and we dont want them delayed, LE is so good to sub them for us!!!  If people want to go with the other sub place go ahead, but maybe LE will have them before that!!!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on February 25, 2005, 10:37:41 pm
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hm.....that's sounds kinda.....funny. so only IF we don't release they'll release on sunday? and when will they start their translation and timing and qc? perhaps, saturday night after their party and everyone's pumped up with booze!

Good luck with that.... [smiley=biggrin.gif] perhaps it'll be another parody....damn those were funny.  

but honestly, for everyone here who says, i'm gonna go try another subber......GO try already, stop complinaing here.  I DARE you! but don't come back complaining when it's no good.  


How very arrogant of you.

I don't think it was meant how you interpreted it. I think he meant that if people want an alternative to get their ID fix before the L-E sub is out, another group will have their's ready Sunday.

By all means, take your time, but if another comes out, I'm going to watch it to get my fix, but I'll still DL, and watch the L-E sub, since the quality is guarenteed to be top notch.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mikku on February 25, 2005, 10:53:57 pm
on Today at 5:22am, Sti_Brumby wrote:apparently if it's not out by this week end another sub group is releasing there's on sunday

clint.  


=====


i'll be frank here and not kissing live-evil ass, if you want go to another subber why are you post here? Do really think that their going do this any faster for the subbing? I most forgot how much did you pay Live-Evil - it must been lots of crash and you're giving them a deadline too (DUMB ASS) - I'll remind you if you have forgotten its ZERO DOLLARS!!!!!! Their doing this for fun and for the FAN of Initial D, its not their making money of this, and yes i know some you jack ass out there download this and sell it too people for cash. LOWLIFE!! Again why you even posting in here if you're going download from someone else and please just leave and don't come back you hear! You just made your self look like a jack ass.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on February 25, 2005, 11:24:09 pm
I'm guessing he posted incase some people are DYING to know what happens, and want something to tide them over untill the LE sub comes out.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on February 26, 2005, 01:19:04 am
Okay people calm down calm down...we all know EVERYONE is dying to know what happens and that theres nothing out there to match LE so lets all sit back and have a drink
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 26, 2005, 01:43:58 am
Yeah, drinks all around!! People can do what the want to get there D, we all know LE is the best, so if people want to enjoy D at it's fullest, sut back, have a drink. BUt we really shouldn't yell at him, he just wants to see D no matter what, and everyone is allowed to pink how they see D.



Let's all be friends?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on February 26, 2005, 01:49:13 am
Aye! ::starts handing out drinks::
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on February 26, 2005, 01:51:33 am
you got New Castle? :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on February 26, 2005, 06:24:59 am
I'd have a martini but i'm too young to drink :(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 26, 2005, 08:20:18 am
eh who cares about being to young, im 16 and i still say drinks all around!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on February 26, 2005, 08:41:11 am
Well i'm 16 too but i'm not an alcoholic :S
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 26, 2005, 10:58:54 am
neither am i, but when it involves initial d, and strangers holding up drinks online to toast, i say what the hell!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sti_Brumby on February 26, 2005, 11:14:42 am
Omg i think you got the wrong of me what i said. Who  said that i said use are shit?. I'm not starting anything i was just saying if someone wants to get there fix of intial d they have a alternative other the le version witch i might say is the best. And if you go back couple pages i also said :

Posted by: Sti_Brumby Posted on: Feb 21st, 2005, 8:32am
Good job so far guy's    Keep up the great work use do for free.

Thanks clinton

Ausubaru.com  

I wasn't starting anything tho sounds like Mikku is. Your making your self bad buddy...

Oh and i want a vodka with oj ;D

thanks clinton
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 26, 2005, 01:27:07 pm
vodka with oj? sounds good, i know a guy who spilled that on his mobo, and his comp still worx... atleast we all love each other here?

right....

anyone?

how bout them drinks?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: 3sgte on February 26, 2005, 03:01:23 pm
Make mine avgas... ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on February 26, 2005, 03:51:38 pm
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Make mine avgas... ;D

You ever tried to get that stuff unleaded  :( - not that I've ever gone to do that  ::)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mikku on February 26, 2005, 11:03:04 pm
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Omg i think you got the wrong of me what i said. Who  said that i said use are shit?. I'm not starting anything i was just saying if someone wants to get there fix of intial d they have a alternative other the le version witch i might say is the best. And if you go back couple pages i also said :

Posted by: Sti_Brumby Posted on: Feb 21st, 2005, 8:32am
Good job so far guy's    Keep up the great work use do for free.

Thanks clinton

Ausubaru.com  

I wasn't starting anything tho sounds like Mikku is. Your making your self bad buddy...

Oh and i want a vodka with oj ;D

thanks clinton



im sorrie but its just childish if a person cry and bitch that a team that doing subbing for an anime thats totally free for the public and some trolls comes along and tells they suck and their doing it too slow and another subbing has set an ETA.  

1. the live-evil could just sub for the team and the team watch with their friends. (but their nice enough too give this too us and again they dont owe us anything)

2. i hate selflish,childish,troll people period.

3. another thing, subber doing princess of tennis has stop and i don't know why its been over 2-3 months now do you me on their channel in irc or web page crying and whinning too them?

4. if you want too watch from another subber, by all means go ahead and please don't bother posting about it.

5. everyone i know in real life loves it when you say.

1. good job, live-evil i love your subbing.
2. great work guys.
3.thanks for the sub.
and etc.

sure its corny, but it makes their work more meaningful when their subbing an anime.


unlike.

1. you sob i give you a deadline, be out before this other subber.
2. what is it out? how much longer?
3. this suck you guys are soo slow.

get the picture?


yes i'll have a chocolate milk shake with vocla. heh (shak'n not stirred)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on February 26, 2005, 11:29:15 pm
Well ENOUGH argueing...thats direct orders from the king himself...and all drinks are free and we have everything so come up to the bar ::hires a few extra bartenders::

AND

Woooooooooo!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 27, 2005, 12:43:39 am
thats what im talking about.

In the words of Vash the Stampede: Love & Peace!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on February 27, 2005, 12:49:39 am
Yeah Love and Peace. Id like a Red Bull Vodka,
And remember
DONT DRINK AND DRIFT
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on February 27, 2005, 01:35:50 am
mmm vodka and oj = screwdriver ;)

Clint, I'm sorry if I misinterpreted you.....have a screwdriver on me.  But your msg, did indeed sound quite offensive.  Setting a deadline is usually unrealistic especially on a project that involves so many people in such an informal manner (through internet groups).  We don't set deadlines because we don't want our fans to be disappointed.  We do however hope that our fans realize the work that gets put into it and the amount of technical problems that can be run into.  Above all we hope fans understand that subbers are people too, we all have lives too.  

I find it a tad disrespectful to say that, "if you guys don't come out with the episodes, someone will have them out before you" when honestly....we could care less.  We're not in this to have bragging rights as to who has it out first.  I hope you understand where I'm comming from.  

And thank-you everyone for their support :) We love you guys!!! *tears* XD *cheers*!!!

and yes listen to hellbent
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DONT DRINK AND DRIFT
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on February 27, 2005, 03:37:23 am
yeah my friend mark does subs for anime destiny and ive seen the coding  its really difficult and mess ups are pretty big mistakes. he says(im not sure) that if you mess up you have to start all over. maybe and LE guy can confirm that for me? =) ty and grab another round ::grabs a bottle of captains:: got to love spiced rum straight!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on February 27, 2005, 04:05:26 am
just out of curiousity, are there any ppl from the LE team Japanese????
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mikku on February 27, 2005, 04:26:10 am
okie okie .... okie im my joy self again.. -_-;; i hope live-evil does the initial d real life movie sub, if the companie does come out with english sub thats good then i'll buy it.  but again i highly doubt it. -_-;; i admit i was a tad overboard.. hehe -_-;; (just don't want them too delay it)( sniff,sniff) ... im dying what the two new ep, btw is ep1-12 and done, or its i 1-13 or 1-14? then stage 5? Anyone know what im talking about?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sti_Brumby on February 27, 2005, 04:58:07 am
hey again. Mikku can you please stop calling me a child as i'm probably much older then you?. Tho my spelling my sound like childs words :P. Anyway keep up the great work Le.

Clinton Wood

Ausubaru.com
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: lfepooh124 on February 27, 2005, 09:08:47 am
what is up with all these girly drinks? (sorry ladies) except for the guy that asked for newcastle, that stuff is aiite, Corona is better though. but anywho i'll out drink all you guys. if anyone is in the UCSB/Santa Barbara/805 area code. leave me a message and i'll be happy to drink you under the table while discussing my love for initial d. oh, btw, keep up the good work LE, if you come to UCSB i'll buy each of you a 40oz of your choice or we can just get a keg and kick it.

LFE.Pooh

Keg Core                                             FREE
Tap                                                      FREE
Natty Keg (plus tax)                            54.23
Cups                                                    3.11
Kicking it with LE members              PRICELESS

please note i am a college student with no job, natty keg is muy bueno.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on February 27, 2005, 10:01:55 am
Well, seeing as how beer tastes like piss, I'd rather go for the "girly drinks" myself (didn't see any Kahlua Milks though :P). I'm more of a plum wine person, myself, but whiskey&coke does the trick too.

I think our translator, Eclipse-Zeta, is native Japanese. Though like most fansub translators you tend to see, he hasn't lived in Japan for ages. I, on the other hand, live in Japan at the moment. Combine us and that'll be close enough.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on February 27, 2005, 10:02:21 am
its 1-12 now 11-12 are in the shop for subbing and everythign else is out in april the last 2 come out then 5th stage i guess and can anyone give me some info on the live action i cant find much on it
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mikku on February 27, 2005, 10:09:21 am
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hey again. Mikku can you please stop calling me a child as i'm probably much older then you?. Tho my spelling my sound like childs words :P. Anyway keep up the great work Le.

Clinton Wood

Ausubaru.com


i didn't call u a child...

i said you're acting childish. -_-;;

but i did call u jack ass before.. but thats in the past..

whats the past is the past.. =_= if i was a tad overboard on being too mean too you then i'm sorry you feel that way.



im not going fight, i stated that i hate trolls..on the forums. -_-;;

im going stop now.. cuz some you think im a mean person.. so i shut up now.

hehe
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mikku on February 27, 2005, 10:12:56 am
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its 1-12 now 11-12 are in the shop for subbing and everythign else is out in april the last 2 come out then 5th stage i guess and can anyone give me some info on the live action i cant find much on it


just google it. -_- there just images. nothing special .. i haven't found any clips.. and ry given me the site, but i don't have it no more. -_-;;
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mux213 on February 27, 2005, 01:23:15 pm
Not sure if it still works but here's tah making off initial D clip again:
http://initialsource.com/~go2id/finaldistance/MakingofInitialD.wmv
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on February 27, 2005, 05:35:21 pm
Cool thanks guys
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on February 27, 2005, 06:10:42 pm
yeah, Mux, that's the clip i had. Shows some stuff on the LA.


-!!~~~GO LE GO~~~!!-
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on February 27, 2005, 10:09:31 pm
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what is up with all these girly drinks? (sorry ladies) except for the guy that asked for newcastle, that stuff is aiite, Corona is better though. but anywho i'll out drink all you guys. if anyone is in the UCSB/Santa Barbara/805 area code. leave me a message and i'll be happy to drink you under the table while discussing my love for initial d. oh, btw, keep up the good work LE, if you come to UCSB i'll buy each of you a 40oz of your choice or we can just get a keg and kick it.

LFE.Pooh

Keg Core                                             FREE
Tap                                                      FREE
Natty Keg (plus tax)                            54.23
Cups                                                    3.11
Kicking it with LE members              PRICELESS

please note i am a college student with no job, natty keg is muy bueno.


Natty is horrid... blech. I like dark beers, Guinness, New Castle, Dos Equis Amber, Negra Modelo, etc. Corona is one of the few light beers I enjoy. Corona, Modelo Especial, Sapperio (can't remember the exact spelling), and Dos Equis, fit the bill if the bar doesn't have New Castle or Guinness.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: lfepooh124 on February 27, 2005, 11:29:56 pm
Just had my first glimpse of that live action Initial D Trailer, is it me or is the whole cast of young and dangerous in it? movie reminds me more of Legend of Speed (check it out, it's a pretty good movie).  thanks for the link mux. in my opinion, light beers are better.  seems like you're rolling in the dough and can afford expensive beer.  i've tasted every beer on your list there except negra modelo, modelo especial, and sapperio. btw, you have good beer taste (and i mean it, not sarcastic).  as for ppl who don't like beer, it's an acquired taste. so stop drinking boba and one day you'll learn to enjoy a ice cold beer on a sunny day! okay that's my two cents for the day.

your friendly neighborhood drinking buddy,
LFE.Pooh
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: dj_no_clu on February 27, 2005, 11:41:51 pm
bleh?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Shenanigans on February 28, 2005, 12:30:48 am
I dunno, i am still pretty excited about the movie.  i'm just a sucker for an underdog story.

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shenanigans
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Post by: OfTheSin on February 28, 2005, 02:23:34 am
It will be interesting to see how the movie pans out.  I'll watch it regardless.  I mean hell.  The game was utter garbage, but ya'll know you played it forever.  ^ ^

Though, in regards to the movie...I'm curious to see if they play it off like some other movies, i.e. Legend of Speed.  If they focus more on storyline rather than actual drifting/racing...i dont know.  I look forward to it no matter how it works out.

And.  Corona + Sapporo + tsing tao = top three beers in my opinion.
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Post by: twinsrox on February 28, 2005, 02:39:37 am
cool
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Post by: Drift on February 28, 2005, 04:02:09 am
Man the game on PC sucked so bad. Its easy to know that it was made by some Americans programmers instead of Japanese dudes. The game song even sucked more. Man if i hear anyone singing that song in my school and saying that's Initial D, i'll be kicking his arse. But that game that Sega made for the arcades rocked. I can't stop playing it. :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mikku on February 28, 2005, 04:30:27 am
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Man the game on PC sucked so bad. Its easy to know that it was made by some Americans programmers instead of Japanese dudes. The game song even sucked more. Man if i hear anyone singing that song in my school and saying that's Initial D, i'll be kicking his arse. But that game that Sega made for the arcades rocked. I can't stop playing it. :)



its pretty, they could have done it better, i think that initial d games is a mob of daytona usa hint hint sega made the game...... when i'm playing the initial d ps2. but GT4 ROCKS!!!! oh.... theres online for gt4.... i bet looks initial d fans will get it even if its not online. but i couldn't find the 86 in there gt4. they had it in gt3.. (so sad).
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Tofuboi on February 28, 2005, 04:51:22 am
For AE86, you have to look around in the historic showroom for a used one.  I have one, but I don't know how to get it to drift.  The settings I had in gt3 don't work now, so hard to get the tail loose in corners.
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Post by: Just_J on February 28, 2005, 04:53:36 am
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Sapporo


That's the beer I was referring too. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mikku on February 28, 2005, 07:37:53 am
i found an 83 hehe -_-.. no 86
>.<
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Post by: Dapprman on February 28, 2005, 11:33:41 am
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For AE86, you have to look around in the historic showroom for a used one.  I have one, but I don't know how to get it to drift.  The settings I had in gt3 don't work now, so hard to get the tail loose in corners.

You ougt to try getting one in the UK.  There are a few over in Ireland that are ex-rally cars and as a result ahve been driven to hell, either that or you have to get a way-over priced one from auction in Japan, though I hear prices might be dropping again (Initial D caused the prices to rocket).  Having said that, what is left over there and is for sale probably isn't worth toughing.
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Post by: Tofuboi on February 28, 2005, 12:48:59 pm
Um, Dapprman, I was talking about Gran Turismo 4 sorry about the confusion. I wish I could go to UK to get an 86, but I already have an integra I'm saving up money to turbo. Mikku, Corolla GT-S/Trueno Apex from '83-'87 are all 86s. AE86 is the chasis (or is it engine? not sure) code, so your '83 is still an 86.
Title: Re: AE86
Post by: 3sgte on February 28, 2005, 03:32:45 pm
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Um, Dapprman, I was talking about Gran Turismo 4 sorry about the confusion. I wish I could go to UK to get an 86, but I already have an integra I'm saving up money to turbo. Mikku, Corolla GT-S/Trueno Apex from '83-'87 are all 86s. AE86 is the chasis (or is it engine? not sure) code, so your '83 is still an 86.


AE 86 is the model code for the "sports" version.

To clarify, or be overly precise, remember that there is the  Hachi-GO (AE 85) that gets turboed...

This is a RWD or FR (Front engine Rear drive) model

"A" refers to the engine code (4AGE)
"E" refers to Corolla

"86" refers to the version of the chassis.

Later FF (Front engine Front drive) Corollas can have model codes such as (not a comprehensive list)

AE92 AE95(4WD)
AE101 AE102
AE111

Models ending in a "5" are typically 4WD

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on March 01, 2005, 12:23:03 am
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Um, Dapprman, I was talking about Gran Turismo 4 sorry about the confusion. I wish I could go to UK to get an 86, but I already have an integra I'm saving up money to turbo. Mikku, Corolla GT-S/Trueno Apex from '83-'87 are all 86s. AE86 is the chasis (or is it engine? not sure) code, so your '83 is still an 86.

That's alright, I'm wondering how I can get from Shinjuku to the Knightsport and Re-Amamaya garages next month when I head out to check up on the roads.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 01, 2005, 01:51:39 am
grrrr i want to play gt4 but i dont have any money and no job
::curses lousy ass south florida::
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on March 01, 2005, 02:14:38 am
I bought GT4 on the first day, popped the disc in the PS2 and just stunned at the level of quality of the game. but its sooo easy to get money in GT4, in the first day alone I had over 500,000 credits and well over 5 cars. Do Rally de Umbria and win the the 265,000 toyota and sell it. Since now u can clear the trophies and win the cars again.
trully an awsome game
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on March 01, 2005, 03:14:13 am
The Initial D for GBA isn't pretty bad either, I mean even the music soudn a lil eurobeat-ish.  I guess its better when its RPG for sumthin that doesn't produce a lotta quality graphics.  If it was regular racin then I would've said it sucked
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on March 01, 2005, 07:11:03 am
I dl'd Initial D: Special Stage.... someone please tell me how to work it. It's an ISO file. My ps2 isn't modded and the emu seems kinda scratchy.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: 3sgte on March 01, 2005, 07:39:46 am
Ryouske: use Nero or equiv to "burn from a saved poject"

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Ryouske on March 01, 2005, 08:49:05 am
and what do i do from there?
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Post by: miggs on March 01, 2005, 12:29:11 pm
i have been  dl from and reading  posts at this site for a while and well  all the talk about beer  and well my favorite beer wasnt mentioned so i had to join  no questions asked the  greatest beer is a beer called indio  unfortunitly its not imported to the states   i dont know about any were else  but if u are ever in mexico  i recomend u  try it  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: 3sgte on March 01, 2005, 01:27:51 pm
The file name and or size should give you an idea what to expect.

The burning software may also refer to it as burning from an "image"
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on March 01, 2005, 09:35:14 pm
All I drink is Tecate, but than I lack taste or personal standards so there
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mikku on March 02, 2005, 12:25:02 am
if u want too just play it.
make fake dvd,cd emulator

http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/portal/download.php?mode=ViewCategory&catid=5

so no need for burning too dvd -_-;; and its faster.

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Steeles on March 02, 2005, 12:30:05 am
kept searching and found some leads :)  (lookign for correct codecs... cant see only hear)  kthnxbye
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: vollmer on March 03, 2005, 12:52:23 am
Side note I've already watched the above mentioned release. Definitly watchable, not L-E quality but good enough for a quick fix. If you want to see the good stuff wait for the L-E release.

Once L-E releases I'll watch it again :-) Side note execellent work guys...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 03, 2005, 02:12:19 am
yeah LE does have quality thats hard to match.
They are the krip of the fansub world
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on March 03, 2005, 04:04:27 am
Yep they are since they take their time to make the Episodes awsome. Anyway i will wait until the episodes come out :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on March 03, 2005, 04:07:56 am
 Great Forum Surugi Fansubs isn't really that great. I mean their quality can't match LE's, not to mention their subbing sux horribly
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: OfTheSin on March 03, 2005, 05:13:47 am
Much like all have said.  The await for the LE version of the subs shall continue.  A few more days cannot seem so short.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 03, 2005, 06:02:24 am
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For AE86, you have to look around in the historic showroom for a used one.  I have one, but I don't know how to get it to drift.  The settings I had in gt3 don't work now, so hard to get the tail loose in corners.


They've got the trueno and leven originals, and then they have a special edition that popped up and I bought on September 23rd (first year) in the used lot... It is a Sprinter Trueno GT- Apex S. Shigeno Ver.  Made in 2000 apperantly... 825kg (stock one is 940kg) and I guess 190hp (dirty oil) 210 (after oil change), don't know if it is at crank or wheels, but it could be very comparible to the AE86 we know and love... Same design as the new one, carbon headlights, carbon hood, same rims, same paint...

And from comparing pics... Im gonna say that Bunta's subaru is the 98 22b STI... Or a 99 Type R version 6.  more similar fenders and same rims....  Go figure..


Anyways, I got this forum membership so I could thank LE for doing their subs... They are who got me hooked on ID and they have quality second to none, thank you for supplying us with this free gift/service.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on March 03, 2005, 07:55:26 am
CooBlue you were close on the make and model of Bunta's WRX.. Its the 98 type R version 5.  As for the Shigeno tuned Trueno, Shuuichi Shigeno oversees the technical aspects of the show.  He is a drift king (visible in season 1 when the Akina Speedstars are watching TV at the gas station) and he also tunes all kinds of 86's.  Takumi's 86 is based almost entirely on Shigeno's real life drift car.  The engine is also completely real (and does rev to 11,000 rpm) its from the Atlantic series race cars of the early 90's.  Don't know if anyone really cared to have all that information... but ah well.... keep up the great work L-E you guys are superb and I only download your subs.  Well worth the wait.    
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DemonoftheFall on March 03, 2005, 09:54:07 am
Umm.. Shigeno is the creator of Initial D. The Drift King is Keiichi Tsuchiya.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on March 03, 2005, 10:31:31 am
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Umm.. Shigeno is the creator of Initial D. The Drift King is Keiichi Tsuchiya.


Ding Ding Ding. However Shigeno is also a drifter and tuner.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: randomdriver on March 03, 2005, 11:24:59 am
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Ding Ding Ding. However Shigeno is also a drifter and tuner.


uhh... from my understanding, Shigeno is a motorbike fan/rider and he's not as big into cars.  His passion is two wheels and doesn't do much with four.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 03, 2005, 07:48:48 pm
hrm, well this SS 86 does not rev to 11,000, even on full everything it hits a rev limiter at hrm, 10,100-10,200   still, it gets the power, and is a really fun and good car to drive.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on March 03, 2005, 09:18:20 pm
My mistake... Shigeno is not the drift king.  However, I dont think it would be incorrect to say he is in the drift scene.  As for the car in GT3 and 4 I have read in quite a few places that it is modeled off of Shigeno's real car.  They could be wrong though.  As for the rev limit that could have just been a decision by Polyphony Digital to limit it, or perhaps the show is a little exagerated... who knows?  As for a real life super hachi-roku, this is worth checking out: http://www.club4ag.com/faq%20and%20tech_pages/IIda%20AE86%20project.htm . Dont know if it has been posted on these boards before (67 pages is a lot to go through) so i apologize if it is a repost.
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Post by: hellbent on March 03, 2005, 11:50:12 pm
Yeah I read that before,  Iida Akira's AE86 is the god of all 86s, even the drift king himself doesnt have a 86 like that (thought he could easily get one if he wanted). Over $100,000 was spent on it, and thats not including the special engine which has been locked at only 9000 rpm for realibility reasons. Anyway anyone intrested should read that article.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 04, 2005, 04:43:47 am
Thats awesome,i wish i had 100,000 USD to spend on a car=(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on March 04, 2005, 06:55:09 am
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My mistake... Shigeno is not the drift king.  However, I dont think it would be incorrect to say he is in the drift scene.

Yeah he is definitely in the drift scene, The man owns one each of pretty much all the major cars featured in Initial D
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Post by: Dapprman on March 04, 2005, 11:19:16 am
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Yeah he is definitely in the drift scene, The man owns one each of pretty much all the major cars featured in Initial D

No he is not.  It is a clip from Tsuchiya Keiichi's Drift Bible (now available through the Best Motoring International label).
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 05, 2005, 12:12:32 am
no they dont mean the scene in the show they mean like on the scene like he knows whats what and whos who =)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on March 05, 2005, 12:54:15 am
ahh, so desu, gomen
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on March 05, 2005, 04:37:44 am
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no they dont mean the scene in the show they mean like on the scene like he knows whats what and whos who =)


Correctamundo - I don't even know what clip you're refering too, I have a copy of the Drift Bible I haven't watched it all the way through though
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: 3sgte on March 05, 2005, 07:14:00 am
The clip being referred to is a scene in the early days where the gas stand crew is sitting in a room at the gas station watching some drifting on a TV.

Brokenimage0: Thanks.
I didn't even realize where the source of the confusion was. I read "scene" to mean hanging out and who's who...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 05, 2005, 10:53:01 am
just doing my job =)
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Post by: lfepooh124 on March 05, 2005, 03:54:00 pm
the scene is actually when the gas station owner whose bunta's homie (forgot his name) is watching takumi interact with itsuki and iketani.  i believe it is a blue car, not sure cause I'm drunk right now, but they clown on him because he does a weird movement with his hand, like he's turning into a corner and they think he's full of sh*t.  but anywho (my trademark word) let's just thank LE for all the hardwork they are putting in the 4th stage of initial d.  btw, i'm drunk but i will still out drink anyone, anytime, anywhere, anyplace. = ) have a good morning everyone! (i'm in santa barbara, california, USA..... it's an hour and a half north of los angeles)

your local neighborhood alcoholic,
LFE Pooh
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 06, 2005, 12:55:21 am
in one seen its an NSX and in another scene its the S14 from the Drift Bible if im not mistaken.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: OfTheSin on March 06, 2005, 10:41:35 pm
That piece is directly from the Drift Bible.  Very good instructional video; The King takes you exactly through what needs to be done to get what everyone wants - teh perfect slide.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 07, 2005, 01:24:07 am
yeah i have it here as well its sooo good
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 09, 2005, 07:49:06 pm
go speed racer, go go speed racer!    Everyone go away for a while?

I'm getting excited! w00t w00t

Anyways... is it me, or does the 22B 98 subaru in GT4 have massive understeer at all times?  I upgraded it, and it is super quick, but turns no more than a dragster... Anyone try a totally stock one out?

(all about the toyota/honda/subaru/Mitsu Evos... hope to have all of them, and then only what I need of other cars)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dness on March 09, 2005, 10:18:38 pm
good job LE!! you guys are the bestest!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on March 10, 2005, 07:01:31 am
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yeah i have it here as well its sooo good


He makes Drfting so easy with his techniques too although it's not as easy as i thought :(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 10, 2005, 07:59:34 am
i know its so difficult to try the advanced techniques. the first three arent too hard i can do those. but braking i still have trouble with sometimes, and i cant do the faint drift or lift off....feint drift is hard to find a corner in south florida where you cna practice it.and lift off isnt too important unless i went pro. its a very difficult sport but once you get the hang of its the greatest thing to ever come oout of cars
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Post by: lfepooh124 on March 10, 2005, 10:53:02 am
hey Brokenimage0, what kind of car do you drive? I have a 95 honda civic dx hatchback w/ a  B18c1 (typical eh), but  I've never tried to drift that shit. I live in California and I'm a senior at UCSB and I have a mountain set right next to me (Santa Ynez Mountains).  I'm sorry but I've been to Florida, especially Tampa Bay.... St. Petersburg, Brandon, Temple Terrace, Ybor City, and what not.  Ya'll Floridians (sorry if that's not correct) got no slopes, hills, or mountains.  Do you drift on a race course or something?  I'm curious..., cause for sure those dreams of yours, gt3, and ridge racer don't count.  Once again, I'm sorry but I'm drunk.  Anyways, I would want to "drive" against you.  Since you know the different between "scene" and "seen" (check page 67), I'm pretty sure you have been educated by the excellent Florida Public Educational system.  Question: How old are you???  Anywho,  I'm going to Texas for Memorial Weekend and I'll be glad to drive against you, so come to Houston, it's half way between Florida and California.  I can't do the quote unquote  "first three drifts" that you can do, but I'm sure I can out manuever/drive you (I've got 2 older brothers who showed me how to drive).  Anyways, this isn't a direct flamming/dissing on you.  I just wanted to say that I've been to Florida and I'm pretty sure you guys don't have "shit" on California.  Not to say that you dissed on Cali in anyway, but if you can do the first "three" drifts u got skills...right?  Don't hate guys, I love California, the USA, and Live-Evil!!!!

LFE Pooh

ps: I'll be in Houston, Texas during Memorial Weekend...my AIM is xxmarkypoohxx, hit me up if you wanna drink or kick it.  Texas is cool...NOT!!!
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Post by: DashRattleWRX on March 11, 2005, 02:51:11 am
I live in Texas bish!  Lets go, I know lots of twisties around here.. course it's a little ways from Houston..
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 11, 2005, 03:32:38 pm
i know florida sucks i plan on moving out to cali once i finish my tech school in orlando a few years from now or at least to somewhere with mountains. i mean the highest point in florida is 87ft and you have to walk to the top(thats not a building i mean) im 18 and i drive an MR2 but mostly i practice in any corner i can find and since when im not at school or working theres not much else to do so i got corner hunting(very difficult in florida)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Cov on March 11, 2005, 09:43:11 pm
Incedentally, lift-off drift is extremely important for us europeans (and other countries) where most cars on sale are Front-Wheel drive. Any FWD with a decent amount of torque and a shortish wheelbase can get something halfway decent going, even if the car does slow down through the drift (although nowhere near as badly as a handbrake or e-brake drift).

Correct me if i'm wrong, but surely the advantage of straight american roads is that there are lots of nice 90 degree bends? ;-P

And, also, i am green with envy- 18 and driving an MR2, when i was 18 i was driving a fiat seicento..... (similar in size to a mini, but nowhere near as powerful)

edit: (and FWD)
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Post by: lfepooh124 on March 12, 2005, 01:43:22 am
MR2? Nice ride.  Is it turboed? I smoked some ricer in an blue MR2 a few weeks ago with a huge ole team racing sticker on his windshield....in yellow!?!.  If you come out to California I would suggest you drive the PCH (Pacific Coast Highway) aka Highway 1 between San Luis Obispo and Santa Cruz, craziest corners I've seen around here, but nothing compared to the course at ?Irohazaka?. The view of the Pacific Ocean isn't that bad either, if you've got a girlfriend just tell her that you want to visit Hearst Castle, an excellent excuse to check out the course.

Last question for all you car nuts out there...I heard that the motor in the Mazada 3 is made by Ford, not sure, can anyone answer this? Didn't feel like googliing it. Thanks.

LFE Pooh  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on March 12, 2005, 02:00:48 am
Mazda 3 is based on the new Ford Focus chassis and mechanicals.  Only th interior and body shell is different.

Hmm a MR2 at 18 - I was driving abngrs at that age, but then I suppose I was also a student.  Who knows, by the time I retire (many moons off) I may have gone through the sports car to super cr scene, and on to some thing sedate - eek perhaps not.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 12, 2005, 03:45:10 am
well its a naturally aspirated one im happy with it it was 4 grand for the car and i still need to put a new motor in...this ones getting up there in mileage and yes i find myself very lucky. You have no idea how good the feeling is to now have to drive something that started as a car and is now a go kart
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 12, 2005, 05:43:43 am
Be amazed at the amount of cars that I see around my area that have had upwards of $50,000.00 put into them :P

I live in Australia, so it's a whole different scenario here, but the place doesn't change the events as such... Went out on a big cruise a few nights ago, had some races, won some prizes (I drive other peoples cars in races, they're too sane for the stuff we do)... But the nights are overall quite fun.

My last one got me into a bit of trouble though, I didn't know that putting the outside two tires of your car onto the sidewalk to get past the car in front of you that's hogging the middle line was against the rules ;)

I normally drive either a Skyline or a very very beefed up Levin a friend got imported, he's importing an authentic panda trueno later this year :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 12, 2005, 08:30:54 am
sounds fun... now if only work would give me more hours for new tires...i hate that part,the whole tires cost a lot of money thing.  And gas, thats expensive too...but its a passion and ill pay out the cash first thing after the bills are paid.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 13, 2005, 12:33:33 am
Hey does anyone have any other best motoring videos aside from the drift bible.I have Drift bible,Vol1,3,8 and i cant get any of the others off a torrent site since the trackers seemed to have stoped working. Anyone know where I can get some of the others?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on March 13, 2005, 01:59:59 am
U should google it first. Anyway heres the official link to BMI, http://www.bestmotoringvideo.com/. They have everything u looking for, including Hot Version. Look at the retailer section and ull find links to all online retailers that sell BMI products.
Hope that helped
P.S. Double posting baaaad
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 13, 2005, 09:11:00 pm
yeah i know DPing is bad but i didnt relize it when i made the post just noticed it when you said it. sorry about that and thanks for the link
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on March 14, 2005, 05:36:02 pm
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=41626
Try this for more Best Motoring Videos. afaik the torrents work. i just dl vol 17 &18
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on March 14, 2005, 11:49:12 pm
all u bastard freeloaders need to stop this torrent shit, buy the god damn real material from the OFFICIAL site. Please support them, so we can get more. If all u do is dl their stuff, then there wont be any left, theyll just say fuck it. U do realize that when u buy their stuff, they will be more than happy to produce new stuff.
I do realize that I to am using Bittorrent to dl ID, thats because its not available yet in NA. Unless its not licensed in NA, and cant get anywhere else, then u shouldnt be dling videos that u can get easilly and for what $25.

sry for the long post
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on March 15, 2005, 12:24:01 am
well, who are you to talk?? Your excuse for using BT is really lame! If you are that honest you should wait until the ID-DVD is available.
So stop acting the innocent, goddamn!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 15, 2005, 12:39:41 am
lol none of us are innocent and i am aware that they would produce more through heavy funding but im not gunna argue about it ill dl them now and buy them later like i usually do. and i download all my anime een if it is in the us sicne most US dubs suck and half the episodes get removed because America is odd.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 15, 2005, 05:48:15 am
Hellbent... It's a fine line... Depends on your country, and the copyright :P

People release things like that for money in the knowledge that YES, it will be pirated, and no matter what they do, they can't stop that.

Granted, they are bringing out new methods to stop DVD ripping/copying... But that won't last, someone will find a way around it. Just like Microsoft implementing CD key checking on their website so invalid keys can't download... There are keygens out there that produce valid keys!

You want to stop piracy, good luck to you, but that's why they made open source :P

PS. This stuff that we get here is not licenced under US law, because it's still being copied from Japan, who's copywrite laws are completely different to the US, and the fact that this is the Internet, makes the US law only work on the country that the files exist in.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on March 15, 2005, 06:19:14 am
thx JC for that, though I too am guilty of using bittorrent, I try and make the best possible attempt at purchesing official product, provided that a DVD doesnt cost over $30, then I will pay. However in the case of Tokoychop, I have decided to keep my dled stages, since it would be a crime to buy that ID crap. I really dont want ID to get famous in NA, look at the mess Tokoychop did, how can u call that anime.

P.S. I have 5 Tokoyshit ID DVDs, which I have never watched.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on March 15, 2005, 09:03:24 am
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and i download all my anime een if it is in the us sicne most US dubs suck and half the episodes get removed because America is odd.

Uh... do you really think those count as reasons to pirate licensed anime? Dubs may suck, sure, but DVDs have this thing called "dual languages". So you have no point there. Removing half of the episodes? I realize you were exaggerating, but can't you pick something with even a SCRAP of truth in it?

If you're going to try to justify yourself, at least try to use something that RESEMBLES valid reasoning. It's the same way with everyone that bashes Tokyopop's DVDs... pure fanboyism without any actual thinking.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 15, 2005, 09:24:22 am
Tokyopop's DVDs are altered for the American market due to their censorship laws, as you might well notice if you watch the fansubs I have of the first stage, then watch the DVDs, all the translations are different (IE, they have swearing in them... Wonder why that went? :P)

I know this isn't related to anime as such, but there are other shows that America cuts to pieces so that they remove all the stuff they don't want you to have, yet when you get the "real" stuff via fansubs or buying the DVD's from Japan... You can notice a lot of the differences.

Us aussies are... Well, more tolerant of that sort of stuff, we get all these uncensorted anime's coming out now, with the ones that come via America (Ninja Scroll, for example), being cut (I know, I watched the fansub then the actual DVD, and noticed it quite obviously)

hellbent has a point about the "quality" and content though :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sti_Brumby on March 15, 2005, 02:49:52 pm
I'm a aussie and i don't have acredit card so i can't buy online. So i just stick with madman releases. Don't forget the americian release it targeting a different market in the kinda same slot as FnF.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on March 15, 2005, 05:47:32 pm
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Tokyopop's DVDs are altered for the American market due to their censorship laws, as you might well notice if you watch the fansubs I have of the first stage, then watch the DVDs, all the translations are different (IE, they have swearing in them... Wonder why that went? :P)

Altered due to U.S. censorship laws? What do you know about laws? There's not a whole lot that can get something completely banned from being shown in the U.S. thanks to our first constitutional amendment. If the mountainloads of hentai DVDs that get brought States-side can make it, there's nothing in Initial D that presents a problem.

I myself have some HK bootlegs of the first two stages that I got before the series was licensed. I also have as many of the Tokyopop DVDs as were released before I moved to Japan. Frankly, those bootlegs were junk. They were good ENOUGH at the time, since that's all that I had available, but their translations were terrible. I won't even mention their other faults, since those aren't the issue here. You may well be talking about a different set of fansubs, okay. But guess what? If you take something, and give it to five different translators, you will get five different translations. Translating languages is not a cut-and-paste operation, especially when you're working with English and Japanese. Cursing? Are you completely unaware of the old "habit" fansubs had where they had tons of unnecessary swearing in them? That's due to overly-direct, wannabe-edgy translations rather than the  intent actually being there. How often a translator chooses to include swear words or not does not indicate how "true" a translation is. The only problem I can recall having with the Tokyopop DVDs' translations is that I thought they were a bit dodgy during Natsuki's conversation with her "papa". They didn't stretch things so badly that I would call it censoring, but they could have done better. That scene alone is not enough to condemn everything else they've released.
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I know this isn't related to anime as such, but there are other shows that America cuts to pieces so that they remove all the stuff they don't want you to have, yet when you get the "real" stuff via fansubs or buying the DVD's from Japan... You can notice a lot of the differences.

"All the stuff they don't want you to have"... now this is great. So there's some secret inner council somewhere, right? And they're conspiring on a daily basis to hold back all of the cool stuff so you can't get it? That is priceless. I'd rather not take up more space than I have already, but feel free to mention some specific things and I'll explain to you (fruitlessly, no doubt) how it's most likely a business restriction/policy rather than that they're just out to get you.
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Us aussies are... Well, more tolerant of that sort of stuff, we get all these uncensorted anime's coming out now, with the ones that come via America (Ninja Scroll, for example), being cut (I know, I watched the fansub then the actual DVD, and noticed it quite obviously)

Now, I was sure you were full of crap anyway, but I spent a bit of time searching for any mention of censorship in the Ninja Scroll DVD. None. You know, basing your argument off of blatant lies isn't the best way to sway someone's opinions.
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hellbent has a point about the "quality" and content though :P

Like I've said many times in the past, commercial DVDs always offer better quality. Better source material means it looks prettier, paid professional translators and editors ensure flow and accuracy of dialogue is superior to fansubs (not necessarily by a large gap, as I'd like to think we're not incompetent here :P), and they also usually have a bunch of extras that you DON'T get with fansubs. The only in which I think fansubs still beat commercial productions hands-down is typesetting and styling. And even THAT is no longer 100%, as releases like Rightstuf's KareKano DVDs show that such typesetting IS possible from their side... just very rare, unfortunately.

Don't let your fanboyism get in the way of rational thinking. While all your little friends may think you're the Champion of Justice, you just sound like a moron to the rest of us.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 15, 2005, 09:20:33 pm
If that's so, why does the US have the biggest amount of legal court casings over TV rights and other added rights (Movies included, though most for piracy), than any other country on the planet?

From what I've read, most are over censorship of shows shown on TV that were put in time slots aimed when children could watch them, and would be deemed by the "rational" household unsuitable for children.

I have a few of the ID Tokyopop DVDs, and every time I've watched them, the quality of the audio and video has been crap, independant of the player (I used to work in a media department of a university, we have a lot of DVD players at a minimum, not to mention other nice equipment).

The fansubs that L-E put out are far superiour in quality that I have seen compaired to the DVDs, and that's digital FTA in Japan, not to mention encoded in "antiquated" video codecs!

Personally, what do I know about US law? Not a hell of a lot, considering that I'm against the US in every aspect (By the way, thanks for voting in Bush again, guess who we're stuck with for another 4 years thanks to you!).

There is no "Fanboyism" involved, I think you're just trying to find a reason to self elevate yourself above everyone else because you're sick and tired of everyone's support of freedom of information (If it's digital, it's free, regardless of your copyright... I'd explain, but you'd argue that as well).

And yes, there is a "secret inner council", there always has been, there always will be, just that the "general american public" is not allowed to know about it, conspiracy theories aside. Do some research on just how much money is wasted by the US government over the last term (No, not the war budget for Iraq, that's not all US money, that's the worlds money on a wild goose chase), to make the world a "safer place" which is to make the world a US governed world that nobody can do anything in at all (The US are now trying to get their internet laws instated in every country, even third world countries without internet access, which is being largely funded by Microsoft so they can sue whoever they like whenever they like).

Granted, that was off on a bit of a tangent there, but stop thinking you're all high and mighty, and accept the fact that you're not the biggest and the best anymore, nobody is, because regardless of whether we're arguing about anime or not, your ideology about yourself and your country narrows your own thoughts and comments to be on the one track that you are correct.

You are a fanboy of America, learn your own rational thought!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 15, 2005, 11:14:58 pm
Please people refrain from feeding the trolls
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 15, 2005, 11:39:23 pm
yeah well... back to the topic of the thread... lol...

How many times have you all watched ID? I have watched from second stage through ID4 Eps 10, probably 20 times, and only in 2 months... I would watch ID the first stage but can never find it... perhaps I will rent it when it is complete over here...    lol
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on March 16, 2005, 12:15:54 am
The most watched for me is the evo battle, just love that ALS (Anti-Lag system), since Iam a huge rally fan. U people do realize that an ALS can never exist on a street car, thats one of the few fake things in ID. how bout a game, Who can find the most fake or unreal things in ID, so far I have found at least 10. anyone else got more.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 16, 2005, 03:07:48 am
Im game for that, lets do it.  What have you found? Besides the Godlike control that no one I have ever seen has lol....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 16, 2005, 04:39:52 am
well Tsuchiya has control prety close to that. but over all ive watched the whole thing from stage 1 ep one to stage 4 ep 12 once but stage 1-3 ive watched like 5 times a piece. My most favorite fake thing is Ryosukes impossible analyses skills....who can tell  
exactly what happened from only a guy on a walkie talkie and the exhaust notes? i dont know anyone. And why would you be unable to put an ALS on a street car(that specific one) i would like to know.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on March 16, 2005, 05:36:58 am
Because an ALS system destroys the engine,When the driver lifts his foot from the gas pedal the ignition  timing is altered with sometimes 40° or more of delay (retard) and the intake air and fuel supply mixture is made richer. basically it sends unburned gases through the inlet. heres some points why it cant
   
   * A quick rise of the turbocharger's temperature (which jumps from ~800°C to the 1100°C+ region) whenever the system is activated
   * A huge stress on the exhaust manifold and pipes (mounted on a street car a bang-bang system would destroy the exhaust system within 50-100 km)
   *The turbo produces significant boost even at engine idle speeds
   *The explosions which occur in the exhaust tubes generate important flames which can, sometimes,  be seen at the end of the exhaust tube
   *Reduced engine brake
see thats why. Thats the reason why WRC cars change their engine after every rally. Anyway ALS is now old-school, a new method of keeping the turbine spinning is hitting the scene, Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR), its much forgiving on mechanical parts than ALS. But hey u can never get tired of the ALS going off (what a sweet sound).
Anybody who says they have a real ALS system on their car is BS, just not possible, maybe ur engine will last for say 100-300km max.

sry for the long post
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 16, 2005, 05:54:43 am
hrm, then someone could... have it on the street... if they had deeeep pockets.. like it seems most people in the series do.....

Grrr.... College owns me now.. will post my info on what ive seen when I get a good amount of work done.. I may not be doing a report on clinical medicine like Ryo... but I am doing something just as hard lol....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on March 16, 2005, 07:10:19 am
U would have to be stupid to get ALS on street, besides its illegal, go watch rally live, and see how loud it is. As for me, I would go with EGR, though I can still  get a suzuki ALS for $15000, yeah they cost that much.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on March 16, 2005, 08:23:40 am
Let's see... sidestep all the mindless anti-America ranting that has nothing to do with this... here we go.

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If that's so, why does the US have the biggest amount of legal court casings over TV rights and other added rights (Movies included, though most for piracy), than any other country on the planet?

You'd have to be more specific than that, though doing so probably makes this more off-topic than it's already been led. Anyway, the U.S. has the most legal court cases with probably everything, seeing as how so many morons like to sue.
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From what I've read, most are over censorship of shows shown on TV that were put in time slots aimed when children could watch them, and would be deemed by the "rational" household unsuitable for children.

Correct. We have rather heavy censorship laws when it comes to children's television. So yeah, the shows you'll see airing on Fox Kids, the WB, and to a lesser degree on Cartoon Network have been extensively altered. When those children's shows are brought to DVD, those DVDs remain censored as there is no perceived market for uncensored ones (not to mention it'd alienate the market they already DO have). If a program shows promise, it may get a dual release of censored and uncensored DVDs ala Dragon Ball Z. Anyway, that's always been the case and is nothing to dispute over.

However, there are almost NO cases where DVDs for series that have not been broadcasted on television have been cut, and in the past even small forms of editing (such as english-language overlays/replacements of onscreen text) have been met with severe criticism and are usually corrected in future re-releases. You implying that a majority of our DVDs are censored, and even listing Ninja Scroll as an example, is nothing but a out-and-out lie,  one that I see you're conveniently not mentioning anymore. I doubt Pokemon was in your little list.
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(audio/video quality stuff)

Fine, we'll chalk this up to differing opinions. I frankly see room for improvement (video-wise) in both fansubs and the DVDs (to a lesser extent) since I'm anal like that, but whatever floats your boat.

That's it. Funny, the Australians friends I have are generally cheerful people...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 16, 2005, 08:42:38 am
please stop feeding the cousin of the troll... Mr. Lawn Gnome... We dont like him very much either...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on March 16, 2005, 11:24:06 am
Which one am I again? I lose track...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on March 16, 2005, 12:55:59 pm
ooh ooh, can I be an ogre..... what are we playing....... :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 16, 2005, 01:52:25 pm
We normally are cheerful people, untill we get annoyed.

I'm just going to leave it... Sorry to all the decent people there, and to Yoten who copped most of it... Just had to make a point, some someone bit back, probably a little more than could be chewed by both.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 16, 2005, 02:39:37 pm
so thats why thats about what i came to but i didnt have all teh points on the ALS heck i would through a small shot or NOS to spool if i had heavy turbo lag but even that would require more cash than i have
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DARCnarc on March 16, 2005, 05:20:16 pm
and yoten reckoned JC was ranting 8@P

GO THE SKYLINE!!  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: icecold on March 16, 2005, 07:10:27 pm
First i have a question about the rally ALS.
They run their rallys in up to 500km rallys broken down to like 15 stages, but the thing is after everystage they dont change the engine for there is a big factor of time.

And if you had a little bit of turbo lag, i suggest putting a smaller turbo with your bigger turbo. The smaller one spools up faster so it is basically anti lag. Also if you were using that small shot of nitrous you could literally blow up one of your pistons. Plus it all depends on the engine block you have. The cast iron behomeths that Toyota made for the supra are god when it comes to engines but you can still find a decent four banger that comes cast iron.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 16, 2005, 07:38:22 pm
Eh, with proper tuning, turbo lag can be taken care of... a smaller turbo pushing it's max, vs a large one pushing a lower spec end of its ability... Its all about what your max power is going to be, what can your block take..   Dual turbo Can help.. a lot... but it is VERY expensive and hard to tune to be useful... Now I have not done it, I dont know how to do it, but among the tuners I listen to, it is a general rule of thumb that dual stage is only woth it when you are at the pinnacle of racing and every tiny bit is worth it reguardless of time and money.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on March 16, 2005, 07:46:21 pm
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First i have a question about the rally ALS.
They run their rallys in up to 500km rallys broken down to like 15 stages, but the thing is after everystage they dont change the engine for there is a big factor of time.

Well THEY have exhausts, turbos etc. that resist the massive heat for 500km! Normal racers dont...

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And if you had a little bit of turbo lag, i suggest putting a smaller turbo with your bigger turbo. The smaller one spools up faster so it is basically anti lag. Also if you were using that small shot of nitrous you could literally blow up one of your pistons. Plus it all depends on the engine block you have. The cast iron behomeths that Toyota made for the supra are god when it comes to engines but you can still find a decent four banger that comes cast iron.

Smaller turbo=less pressure? Well, if you mean an sequential turbo... maybe this would help. But the ALS is surely the best and most radical solution for them, because they dont have to care about noise or air pollution and wear and tear of their material.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 17, 2005, 01:16:19 am
Yeah you got a point with the small shot of nitrous. Hell i would just get a supercharger if i could find one to fit personally but thats just me=P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on March 17, 2005, 01:30:21 am
First off, non-rally fans shouldnt talk about things they dont know,and they do care how much sound the ALS system can muster and even pollution, remeber they travel in Public roads, I remember last season the brit police stopped Gronholm for using Illegal tires (not illegal for WRC, just public)luckly some tightass came through with the papers explaining things. the FIA even regulates the sound coming from the exhaust. Secondaly, its true they dont change engines after every stage. But remember these are PRO RACE CARS, the engines are built from a blueprint, to the person who said smaller turbos, the rally car turbos are small. in fact their the same size as stock, only diff is thier ball-bearing and race turbos. Guess most u didnt know that HP is regulated to no more than 300BHP, as rally uses air restrictors to keep all cars 290-299BHP. Another thing u probably didnt know, rally cars are automatic, yes its true people, the highest Rally series uses auto cars, but remember that the gearing and shift points are tuned to the absulute perfection.
On a last note, This season, ALS has been banned by the FIA, so now all cars use EGR, not sure on this though, Havent read the new rules yet, so I could be wrong.

Anyway back to the game, in the first stage, how the hell does Ryo calculates the R32 HP by just the exhaust note and straight line accel, thats just impossible. I mean u have to take weight and sizes of wheels into considiration. and finding HP through exhaust is just stupid,  a exhaust can sound quite or loud, but it cant give in accurate HP number. thats something a stupid honda rice wanker would say.

again, sry for long post
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on March 17, 2005, 02:43:15 am
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First off, non-rally fans shouldnt talk about things they dont know,and they do care how much sound the ALS system can muster and even pollution, remeber they travel in Public roads, I remember last season the brit police stopped Gronholm for using Illegal tires (not illegal for WRC, just public)luckly some tightass came through with the papers explaining things. the FIA even regulates the sound coming from the exhaust. Secondaly, its true they dont change engines after every stage. But remember these are PRO RACE CARS, the engines are built from a blueprint, to the person who said smaller turbos, the rally car turbos are small. in fact their the same size as stock, only diff is thier ball-bearing and race turbos. Guess most u didnt know that HP is regulated to no more than 300BHP, as rally uses air restrictors to keep all cars 290-299BHP. Another thing u probably didnt know, rally cars are automatic, yes its true people, the highest Rally series uses auto cars, but remember that the gearing and shift points are tuned to the absulute perfection.
On a last note, This season, ALS has been banned by the FIA, so now all cars use EGR, not sure on this though, Havent read the new rules yet, so I could be wrong.


Few things:

Correct, the engines cannot be rebuilt after each stage, nor can they between each rally. New for 2005, a single engine must last 2 events, and cannot be opened between events. If an engine must be changed, a penalty is incurred. If the car retires from an event, they are free to change the engine for the next event.

The turbos are NOT the same size as stock. They are a bit larger. It would benifit them to run the largest, most efficient turbo possible, because lag is a non issue with the ALS. We're talking about cars that produce 40-50 pounds of boost off idle.
(http://www.swrt.com/cpimages/689464.jpg)
That's under the hood of the Impreza WRC 2005, you can see the turbo is pretty big.

The 300hp is just a guess. The most important number is the torque, and the power under the curve. Rally cars produce stupid amounts of torque at low RPMs, the "low" HP number is because the turbo runs out of breath, due to the restricter, at high RPM. To prevent the turbo from crapping out, they taper the boost (the Impreza drops to around 9psi at redline). You'll never find a WRC car's torque curve online, so it's impossible for us to calculate it's horsepower.

Rally cars ARE NOT AUTOMATIC!
All the WRC cars run sequential manual transmissions that are hydrolically controlled, with 1 exception. The Impreza's tranny is not sequential, it's electrohydrolic, and even though it does use a paddle to shift, it still maintains the H pattern. Meaning the driver can skip gears, and flick a switch to go into reverse, instead of paddling down through all the gears. Also, I can't think of a single rally car class where they use autos. I can tell you Group N, and US Pro rally cars are manuals.

ALS has not been banned.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mirage on March 17, 2005, 02:44:07 am
Hellbent one thing - the rally cars are semi-automatic (at least in WRC which is the highest class of rally) they are...what that means is they have paddle shifters like you can find in newer "sports cars".  

But the cars still have a functioning clutch and manual shifter and in the event the tranny gets fubared mid stage they switch to full manual on the fly...its pretty cool the co-driver takes the handle off the e-brake and screws it in place for the shifter...bam standard transmission
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on March 17, 2005, 02:44:42 am
Well, i was just trying to say that they dont have to care about restrictions for normal cars in terms of pollution and noise etc. you said it yourself: rally live is loud, ALS would be illegal, gronholm was stopped for racing with illegal parts.
they race on public roads, yes, but remember: they are closed for traffic ;)

i dont want to argue with you since i really dont know much about rally rules and can only talk about the land i live in, but there is no way a rally car could pass an emission test here or even the security check since it has no catalytic converter and stuff
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on March 17, 2005, 02:55:48 am
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Because an ALS system destroys the engine,When the driver lifts his foot from the gas pedal the ignition  timing is altered with sometimes 40° or more of delay (retard) and the intake air and fuel supply mixture is made richer. basically it sends unburned gases through the inlet. heres some points why it cant
   
   * A quick rise of the turbocharger's temperature (which jumps from ~800°C to the 1100°C+ region) whenever the system is activated
   * A huge stress on the exhaust manifold and pipes (mounted on a street car a bang-bang system would destroy the exhaust system within 50-100 km)
   *The turbo produces significant boost even at engine idle speeds
   *The explosions which occur in the exhaust tubes generate important flames which can, sometimes,  be seen at the end of the exhaust tube
   *Reduced engine brake
see thats why. Thats the reason why WRC cars change their engine after every rally. Anyway ALS is now old-school, a new method of keeping the turbine spinning is hitting the scene, Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR), its much forgiving on mechanical parts than ALS. But hey u can never get tired of the ALS going off (what a sweet sound).
Anybody who says they have a real ALS system on their car is BS, just not possible, maybe ur engine will last for say 100-300km max.

sry for the long post



Good post, but you're misinformed on a few things. Many street cars use the retardation method of ALS, but WRC cars use a bypass to get clean air, fuel, and spark into the turbo up-pipe.

You're mixed up on EGR. It's not a anti-lag system, it's a method of improving emissions on street cars. A large number of cars have EGR systems. It's designed to make sure all the bad stuff is burned out of the exhaust. My old Escort had an EGR system.

Lancer Evo's up to version 6 had ALS built in, but disabled in the ECU. It's not too detrimental to the engine, compared to how it beats the crap out of the turbine. I know a guy who has the ALS enabled on his EVO III, but he only turns it on when he's autocrossing, or rallying.

Also, the system can be altered so no boost hit's the engine at idle. ;)

Engine breaking has to do with compression ratio, not boost. When you lift off the throttle, the engine cuts fuel drastically, so even with all the air in the world, there isn't going to be enough combustion to prevent engine breaking. Besides, the idle control on most cars would stop the turbo from passing more air than needed.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on March 17, 2005, 03:09:57 am
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Well, i was just trying to say that they dont have to care about restrictions for normal cars in terms of pollution and noise etc. you said it yourself: rally live is loud, ALS would be illegal, gronholm was stopped for racing with illegal parts.
they race on public roads, yes, but remember: they are closed for traffic ;)

i dont want to argue with you since i really dont know much about rally rules and can only talk about the land i live in, but there is no way a rally car could pass an emission test here or even the security check since it has no catalytic converter and stuff


WRC cars have to meet city regulations because they drive on public roads to and from the stages. They do have a 3 way catalytic converter, and the volume level is regulated. :) Of course since they aren't true road cars, the rules are bent a little.

(http://www.swrt.com/cpimages/694270.jpg)

Oh, and I don't recall Gronholm ever being stopped for illegal parts. He was stopped for driving with a seriously damaged wheel, and he (and many other WRC drivers) were stopped for speeding between the stages.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on March 17, 2005, 03:13:02 am
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Hellbent one thing - the rally cars are semi-automatic (at least in WRC which is the highest class of rally) they are...what that means is they have paddle shifters like you can find in newer "sports cars".  

But the cars still have a functioning clutch and manual shifter and in the event the tranny gets fubared mid stage they switch to full manual on the fly...its pretty cool the co-driver takes the handle off the e-brake and screws it in place for the shifter...bam standard transmission


Slight addition. The trannys are sequential manual, not standard. So when they do the conversion (what you mentioned is done in Fords, Citroen and Peugeot have a little stick), they push up and down on the stick to shift. The only exception to this is the Impreza. Come to think of it, I'm not sure it has a manual backup, I've never heard of the tranny hydrolics failing.

I wouldn't call them semi-automatic. ;)
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Post by: Elchfaenger on March 17, 2005, 03:24:34 am
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WRC cars have to meet city regulations because they drive on public roads to and from the stages. They do have a 3 way catalytic converter, and the volume level is regulated. :) Of course since they aren't true road cars, the rules are bent a little.



They do? Thats really hard to believe, even if i dont know the equipment of a rally car. Wouldnt such a cat get extremly hot? I mean even a normal one reaches easily 300+°C. And more important: A cat dies immediatly when it comes in contact with unburned fuel. And this happens on a rally car, or not?
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Post by: Just_J on March 17, 2005, 03:28:57 am
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They do? Thats really hard to believe, even if i dont know the equipment of a rally car. Wouldnt such a cat get extremly hot? I mean even a normal one reaches easily 300+°C. And more important: A cat dies immediatly when it comes in contact with unburned fuel. And this happens on a rally car, or not?


The cat is integrated into the silencer (muffler). ;)

They don't die immediatly when they encounter raw fuel, it takes time.
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Post by: Just_J on March 17, 2005, 03:30:18 am
(http://www.swrt.com/cpimages/641656.jpg)

You can see the red glow in the tail pipe, that's from the cat.
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Post by: Elchfaenger on March 17, 2005, 03:36:43 am
That is no fog light? ;) well, i guess everything is a bit more extreme in rally sports
btw: great pictures!
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Post by: Just_J on March 17, 2005, 03:46:29 am
:) Imagine driving down the road, and you see this.
(http://www.swrt.com/cpimages/504820.jpg)
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Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 17, 2005, 04:44:23 am
Honestly.... If I saw that cruising down that slow street... I would probably run out and hump its fender...

I know the Evo just edges out the STI in stock performance tests... but Subaru is just too sexy for me...
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Post by: Supra_Saiyan on March 17, 2005, 06:15:51 am
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:) Imagine driving down the road, and you see this.
(http://www.swrt.com/cpimages/504820.jpg)

I saw that in the rally of canberra last year sometime (australia)

so many rally cars gathered near the city centre.  :D
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Post by: hellbent on March 17, 2005, 06:36:43 am
hmm, seems I was a bit hursh, didnt mean to offend anyone. Anyway. that post I did explanining ALS was copy and paste found through google, not my mistake. Anyway, ragarding Elchfaenger, U are right, I went back and watched again, seems it was a damaged wheel. About the auto thing, K seems people were right, but what do u expect from 4 beers, Red Bull vodka, and Captain Morgan.

Okay, back to the game, another thing wrong with ID, the god-like car controls, those damn kids have.
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Post by: JC on March 17, 2005, 06:43:06 am
Seen rally cars on the road heaps of times, going between stages, whole heap of them went through the tunnel late last year in Perth, caused a few surprises when three evo's and an MY98 pop out of the tunnel and get air on the way over the overpass just outside the tunnel.

They're light as hell, and much with the fun to drive >:)

That turbo isn't all that big, but then again, I wouldn't want to see an evo or a wrx with a GReddy T88 strapped to it (Think of the lag kiddies) (Sidenote: MY98 (1998) WRX STi, came shipped stock in Australia with a GReddy T66 turbo, making for 205Kw (275hp) at the wheels, the most powerful PRODUCTION WRX STi to date!)

There is a ex WRX STi rally modified car at one of the Subaru dealerships in town, and if you get the right sales person to talk to, they tell you quite a bit about how it's all set up (And they DON'T give out dyno sheets, I asked!)

EDIT: After talking to my mechanic friend, he's given me some pointers as to how Ryousuke could estimate fairly accurately the hp of the R32, and it's nothing to do with the exhaust, but the short race beforehand. It's all to do with the power of the FC3S, acceleration and so on, plus observing the car behind you, how easily it can keep up, turning, down to the basic motion of the car. After going on a circuit race with him once, I realised just how accurate even his handling of the car is, but he's build his car to suit him, almost from the ground up, and has been driving now for over 8 years, so the handling shown in ID is possible in real life, all factors aside... All it takes is practice! /EDIT
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Post by: Dapprman on March 17, 2005, 12:08:59 pm
ALS is legal on UK street cars, as the MOT test wouldn't touch it (our annual car safety check).  All rally cars that do road sections, or ahve to drive on public roads between stages Must be road legal, which is why now a number of rally drivers have been done on the UK roads for such things as missing wheels.

I do know of two fellow FD3 driers who tried ALS software on their cars.  Neither engine lasted very long.  If you think it's bad on a 4-cylinder boinger, then you ought to see what it does to a rotary engine.

If you want real race car noises from your engine, then go for a bridge-port, just don't expect the car to be particularly easy to drive around town.
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Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 17, 2005, 03:03:07 pm
I like cheese.
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Post by: JC on March 17, 2005, 03:20:17 pm
Y'know... If you put ALS on an already tough block (4AGZE SII for example - Toyota's Supercharged 1.6L 16V for those who don't know the codes), then it shouldn't be all that bad. Main advantages of doing it with that sort of block (Without the supercharger, it'll melt for sure) is that the pistons are ceramic coated, so they have much better heat tolerance and the like.

I have seen a 20btt (Rotary Twin Turbo), go up to over 1000hp, without an ALS, but it didn't last very long either (Wasn't the mods, it was the application... Drag car), but Rotary engines arn't the strongest blocks around.
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on March 17, 2005, 08:32:00 pm
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I like cheese.


Word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 17, 2005, 11:41:28 pm
Why would you take a supercahrger off a supercharged engine =P they rock. I like them alot more than turbos. and since while enjoying rally videos and yet not being a big ralyl fan i didnt know much about it. i think i learned more about it in the past few posts then when i acctually looked for the stuff.=P
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Post by: OfTheSin on March 18, 2005, 01:02:24 am
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Why would you take a supercahrger off a supercharged engine =P they rock.


its all a matter of preference in my opinion.  If you like high torque before mid rev's then i would argue that a SC would be more usefull to you than a Turbo.  However, same exact setup, only difference being the Turbo or SC, in high revs would most likely promote higher torque coming from the turbo.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=688120

They did a test on that exact thing, the results displayed were rather interesting.  Check it out.

-ots
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on March 18, 2005, 01:08:19 am
http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/58078/
or you can do like this...., have you're supercharger feeding a turbo
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Post by: OfTheSin on March 18, 2005, 01:30:58 am
That is also true.  Which is veeeeeeeery nice.

I'd do it.  Check out this:

http://www.hilmersson-racing.com/start.asp?show=ec

Gives you the exact reason why running both would be a very nice thing to do...if you have teh cash for it.
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Post by: Elchfaenger on March 18, 2005, 02:35:23 am
Now this is great, an old Manta chassis and a Volvo engine! Didnt know you could squeeze so much power out of it! Maybe i should work a bit on my own Volvo? ;)But they are kinda crazy, using a truck turbo charger...
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Post by: EvoHo on March 18, 2005, 05:01:17 am
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=127361&highlight=Supercharger

that's an evo with a supercharger feeding a turbocharger because the guy lives in Denver and due to the high altitude, the large turbo won't function as well without a supercharger feeding it....pretty tight imo, i wish i had the cash to pop that on my evo
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Post by: JC on March 18, 2005, 06:36:21 am
Personally, I like superchargers, but not a roots or a centrifugal.... Twin screw!

My car's in the process of being slowly modified to have a 800hp+ Whipple Blower (Designed for big 5.7L - 8L (I'm sure you can work out the cc's yourselves, or learn what a Litre is :P) V8's, and I'm putting this on a Inline 6 RB30E (R31 Skyline engine), after it's been highly tuned and had a RB25DE head put on it (Making it an RB30DE, Duel overhead cam, Electronic Fuel Injection), then the supercharger...

Best of all, it'll all be street legal, with the blower on a missile switch to turn it on and off (You can have a supercharger off, start driving, and turn it on at will, provided you reinforce the block enough).

I'm crazy, I know, but so are most aussies :P

EDIT: Whipple blowers are good for up to 30PSI of pressure, which is just over two times the earths atmosphere /EDIT
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Post by: Dapprman on March 18, 2005, 11:37:16 am
Driving along you'll sound like a WW2 fighter plane \00/
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Post by: JC on March 18, 2005, 01:28:02 pm
Not much different from what it is now, just a bit louder due to a revised exhaust system (2 1/2 inch all the way through, two hi flow exhausts, hi flow cat)

Whipple blowers don't make much sound compaired to other blowers... Just that I'll need a blow off valve with the pressure between shifts (Needing a Supra 6 speed gearbox else it'll munch it very quickly)

Also, that one with the evo and high altitude... What does altitude have to do with a turbo spooling up? They operate by the exhaust pressure, thus spinning to force feed the air into the engine... He doesn't NEED a supercharger on it, he just wanted to look cool :P The advantage of the supercharger is  with it on a low boost, it means that the turbo, regardless of if it's extremely large or not, spool up quickly at low RPMS due to the high pressure of the exhaust gasses from the supercharger rapidly force feeding it from the moment the engine rpms climb above idle (Or if he really wants to be smart/stupid, depending on your view of his well being if he dumps it or not, can have it boosting at idle... Not very smart!).
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Post by: 3sgte on March 18, 2005, 01:51:02 pm
JC:
Possibly to prevent the turbo from overspeeding in the rarified atmosphere at high altitude...

Eg. the exhaust flow to spin the turbine is there, but there is not enough resistance (intake air density) to prevent turbine overspeeding
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Post by: JC on March 18, 2005, 03:00:49 pm
From what I read of the whole thread (8 stinking pages of it mind you), it's basically just to spool the turbo up, then cuts out after it's spooled nicely, although from what some of the people on there were speculating that the turbo spools at 6000rpm (Considering the redline on EVO's, that's pretty damn late and just top end power)

The setup has been done before by people, and it has worked out after all the hassles have been ironed out, but I'm still waiting to see if it actually keys in okay, else kaboom! (Nice to know he's getting the gearbox made here, god knows why)

I guess that without the supercharger, you'd be there for ages waiting for spool, and when it does, you've got to shift, thus having a massive lag without having the cubic inches of block size and capacity to back it up, as if it was a V6 or a V8, you wouldn't need the supercharger as much, the engine would produce enough exhaust to spool it early.

The one thing they'd definately have a problem with, is if they tuned it for the thin air there, then raced at sea level without a retune... That'd increase the risk of blowing the thing apart dramatically, as it'd be doing too much cfm and psi to handle... In theory
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Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 18, 2005, 09:45:31 pm
no no no what he means is at higher altitudes the air is thinner so the turbo wont act as efficently so he needs a way to get more thin air in than by just the turbo alone. At least im pretty sure thats what he meant,
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Post by: Elchfaenger on March 19, 2005, 12:00:28 am
Well, about what altitudes are we talking? Surely less than 1000m, right? I dont think this would be a problem for turbos, because the air density at 0 and at 1000m differs by 15%.
we all know that the air density also changes with the temperature. In a temperature range between -10°C an 30°C it differs by ~15% as well (at sealevel)
But a turbo doesnt overspeed in the summer, right? So it wouldnt at 1000m altitude
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Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 19, 2005, 12:44:12 am
well im not sure since he didnt name a place but if it was like the us mile high city then it would since its around 2km(not sure of the exact conversions). But my favorite is a high rev engine like the rotarys and such its sounds so awesome.
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Post by: hellbent on March 19, 2005, 01:15:03 am
yup, damn those rotorys rev high, anyway This IS a ID topic. Lets not stray away from the topic, I guess I was one of the few who started it. Back on track now,
is it just me, or did this stage just suck, I dont mean the story or visuals, what killed it was the long wait between eps. If it wasnt for my PS2 ID game, or arcade, I would have forgt 4stage all together. Lets hope they dont do the same thing in 5th stage.
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Post by: Elchfaenger on March 19, 2005, 02:55:29 am
I think the story sucks in this stage, because there is none. What is the goal of Project D? Are they making progress? I really cant tell right now. What about Takumis progress as a racer? Every race is tougher than the one before, but somehow he manages to get away by luck or mistakes of his opponent.
At least the story with Keisuke and his "darling" showed something like a plot.
But still i love ID, because the CG, the sound, the athmosphere of the races are just great.

oh btw brokenimage: a mile is 1.6km
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Post by: debchan on March 19, 2005, 04:02:56 am
I think Takumi is progressing.  He's learning something every race, even if it's something as basic as figuring out the difference between how he drives and how his opponent drives.  He's then applying what he's learned to each new race, and growing as a driver (even Bunta sees this when Takumi talks about needing to drive on Akina).

I think one of this big differences between this stage and previous ones is that all of the life lessons seems to learned by side characters, not Takumi.  However, this doesn't bother me, as Takumi himself has said he doesn't have time to think about anything but driving right now.

(And OT or not, I love it when you guys talk cars. *g*)
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Post by: Drift on March 19, 2005, 04:40:36 am
Yeah but there's not enough action in Takumi's life other than racing and winning. If only they would include some more action in his life...that would be be good.
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Post by: Just_J on March 19, 2005, 04:47:48 am
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The advantage of the supercharger is  with it on a low boost, it means that the turbo, regardless of if it's extremely large or not, spool up quickly at low RPMS due to the high pressure of the exhaust gasses from the supercharger rapidly force feeding it from the moment the engine rpms climb above idle (Or if he really wants to be smart/stupid, depending on your view of his well being if he dumps it or not, can have it boosting at idle... Not very smart!).


That and the SC will provide boost when the turbo isn't spooled. :)
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Post by: JC on March 19, 2005, 04:50:11 am
He is progressing... Although from what I've seen of the new intro for ID *Hehe*, Bunta's intervention shows soon enough...

I got another groups sub of ep11, it's not as good as LE, but anyway... That aside, I've watched it about 10 times now... 11 as I'm typing this (Dual monitor rocks!), and I must say, he's definately improved. After watching it a few times, then doing all the research behind it all, say the physics and so on, it's feasable, but would take a lot of skill and luck... That being said, I know probably one or two people that would be able to do that, but not in an FR, have to be AWD.

As for high revving rotaries, I think the sound of either a very nice 5.7L V8 twin turbo at 5,7000rpm... Sounding like the scream of a banshee, is muuuuch nicer :P
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Post by: Just_J on March 19, 2005, 04:53:00 am
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JC:
Possibly to prevent the turbo from overspeeding in the rarified atmosphere at high altitude...

Eg. the exhaust flow to spin the turbine is there, but there is not enough resistance (intake air density) to prevent turbine overspeeding


That's why the car gods invented the Wastegate. If the turbo is being overdriven, and the wastegate is cracking as it should, he needs to invest in an external wastegate, or port out the flow sections for his existing internal wastegate.
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Post by: Just_J on March 19, 2005, 04:56:23 am
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He is progressing... Although from what I've seen of the new intro for ID *Hehe*, Bunta's intervention shows soon enough...

I got another groups sub of ep11, it's not as good as LE, but anyway... That aside, I've watched it about 10 times now... 11 as I'm typing this (Dual monitor rocks!), and I must say, he's definately improved. After watching it a few times, then doing all the research behind it all, say the physics and so on, it's feasable, but would take a lot of skill and luck... That being said, I know probably one or two people that would be able to do that, but not in an FR, have to be AWD.


You can find other subs for Ep 12 if you search the web. Out of respect for LE, I won't whore up their forum with a link.

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As for high revving rotaries, I think the sound of either a very nice 5.7L V8 twin turbo at 5,7000rpm... Sounding like the scream of a banshee, is muuuuch nicer :P


Rotaries sound like pissed off chainsaws, lol. I love the sound of a big V8 roaring along. The scream of F1 cars gives me chills. Also, I have to show my Subaru fanboyism... an uncorked flat 4 (even a flat 6) is music to me. :)
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Post by: DeadAlready911 on March 19, 2005, 05:30:54 am
This thread is HUGE
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Post by: JC on March 19, 2005, 06:31:39 am
Sure is :P

Some guys I know with way too much money got their hands on an old V10 in non working condition from somewhere... Spent three months getting it running, as they had to wait for parts to be made (Forged pistons and crank, plus custom valves)... Now they've customised the throttle body to have two intakes, each one at 3/4 and 7/8 pistons respectively... Next step is to test out making it a twin supercharger.

They're not gutsy enough to put it in a car, needless to say a gokart (That was the original idea, a V10 go kart!!)

We're aussies, we're nuts... And we don't care :P
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on March 19, 2005, 09:41:50 am
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They're not gutsy enough to put it in a car

Built a bike frame around it ... ala tomahawk
http://www.allpar.com/cars/concepts/tomahawk.html
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Kyuzo on March 19, 2005, 10:24:56 am
Ok First of I would like to say thanx for all the info guys, u have a lot of knowldge.
I'v found aout a lot by just reading this thred. Its nice to know things about other racing sports, I say this b/c I have not goten in to drift or raley racing, yet, I'm more of a drag racer I have a 94 300ZX Twin Turbo.  putting out about 1200 hp and i put down mid to low 10's and once got  a 9.967 i was stoked to see a 9 lol.

 
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/Gauron/300zx3.jpg)
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Post by: JC on March 19, 2005, 11:19:34 am
Those Tomahawk bikes look nice, but honestly scare me a lot... I'm not a fan of motorbikes, guy that was on a car cruise a while ago works as a nurse in a hospital emergency department... Motorcycle riders are nicknamed "Organ Donors" :/

A 300ZX would be okay at drifting, provided you had a little more clearance, and probably more rubber on those wheels (They look like 21" rims to me, great for drags, but they lose their tread quickly)... 1200hp is impressive to say the least, but I wonder how much of that is actually useable in something other than a straight line?

Also, just out of curiousity, how heavy is that 300ZX? :P
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Post by: Elchfaenger on March 19, 2005, 02:41:15 pm
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That's why the car gods invented the Wastegate. If the turbo is being overdriven, and the wastegate is cracking as it should, he needs to invest in an external wastegate, or port out the flow sections for his existing internal wastegate.


Isnt that a bypass valve? Afaik a wastegate evacuates the turbo when you step off the gas to remove the resistance of the compressed air and makes this lovely sound *g*

Maybe Takumi makes progess, but to me its not that impressive, no revolution. If he keeps developing in that way, there should be a better driver or at least a better car very soon.

Oh and dont make me watch ep 11 +12 even more!! Havent touched it so far, so please stop spoiling!
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Post by: Kyuzo on March 19, 2005, 04:00:05 pm
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Also, just out of curiousity, how heavy is that 300ZX? :P


I dont realy know I'v never had my car on the scales. but i can tell u that I'v knocked abour 300-400 lbs off the stock weight (I will try and find out how heavy a stock 300ZX is)

and the bike is my roomates its ok, my 300ZX is a lot nicer.  ;)
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Post by: 3sgte on March 19, 2005, 05:01:18 pm
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Isnt that a bypass valve? Afaik a wastegate evacuates the turbo when you step off the gas to remove the resistance of the compressed air and makes this lovely sound *g*



What you are referring to is a blow off valve. It serves a different purpose.

It allows the turbine to spool down a bit more gracefully when the throttle is suddenly closed.

Eg, the turbo is spinning like nobody's business, pumping a massive volume of air. Where does all that air go when the throttle is closed? The turbo does not want to stop spinning instantly, if it meets a sudden pressure increase at its outlet as it is spinning at speed, that wall of air will slow it down quite abruptly.

The blowoff valve opens when there is boost and a strong vacuum in the intake. Non OE ones are often adjustble.


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Post by: Dapprman on March 19, 2005, 06:17:44 pm
The dump/blow-off valve also protects your turbo impellar.  If the pressurised air is forced back in to it, it will suffer from damage, as might the waste gate.  The sound of waste-gate flutter is nice, but not a good thing for the turbo.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 19, 2005, 07:38:58 pm
If you want to know what 30psi of boost with no blow off valve does with an engine, stick some dynamite in your block... It'll give about the same effect :/

I still don't like turbo's, even if you set them up right, they still don't quite make the mark that a supercharger does... The right supercharger, can in most cases, outperform a turbo all the way through the powerband (Hey, for anyone wondering, the TRD Atlantic engine in the AE86, would need a custom supercharger, else it would melt, since superchargers spin at about 1.26 times faster than the engine does, so 11,000rpm...  13,860rpm... Bye bye Supercharger :P)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 19, 2005, 07:56:27 pm
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Ok First of I would like to say thanx for all the info guys, u have a lot of knowldge.
I'v found aout a lot by just reading this thred. Its nice to know things about other racing sports, I say this b/c I have not goten in to drift or raley racing, yet, I'm more of a drag racer I have a 94 300ZX Twin Turbo.  putting out about 1200 hp and i put down mid to low 10's and once got  a 9.967 i was stoked to see a 9 lol.

 
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/Gauron/300zx3.jpg)


1200 HP? and into the 9s? on those rims and body kit?   Sorry if I seem rude... but what do you have in the engine to make it run that? what are the mods...  

Ive never seen anyone that says they are a drag racer with a body kit nor those huge rims because it slows them down.

If you can prove me wrong, I'm sorry, but until then, I will suspect it is mildly modded if that.. with only a body kit that adds "900-1000" whp...
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Post by: chichin0 on March 19, 2005, 11:59:14 pm
with only a body kit that adds "900-1000" whp...

saw one of these body kits on a Geo prism the other day.... lmao

Seriously though, have you got any drag slips to back up this claim? It seems pretty far fetched.  Most 9 second cars (unless you are watching the fast and furious) are completely stripped and have only essential mechanical and aerodynamic parts on them.  I will reserve judgement because I have been wrong before, but post some slips so we know this isnt a car off ebay that you claim is 1200 bhp and running 9 sec 1/4.  
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on March 20, 2005, 02:22:47 am
Another thing is I dont see an intercooler (Could be watercooled, but unlikely). Plus big ass rims like dont make good drag rims. The bodykit looks like Plexiglass,or fiberglass, not anything that can withstad such speeds. Remember Plexiglass wraps at high speeds.
Please post proof, cause I would love it, to be proved wrong. No intent on insulting u or anything, but just need proof
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Post by: Kyuzo on March 20, 2005, 02:39:51 am
Ok in the pic all of the grils in the nose are removeable(i take them off to race),the intercooler is behind them. the kit on my car is all carbonfiber (painted), the inside is gutted, and for the rims I dont race on my 20's i have a set of 17 that i ues. Im not insullted by any of your Q's I understand. and asfar as drag slips are consernd sorry I dont have any (did not think to keepthem sorry).
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 20, 2005, 04:51:27 am
From what I remember of a 300ZX and setups that can be done... You don't really need to worry about the weight of the car, as they pull like a cut snake.

Downside of a 300ZX is they are heavy, and have a fat ass... Also prone to overheating :/

Change your hood to a mesh type, and a few extra things that increase the airflow, and try racing with the kit on, see how much it affects your time then. Just looking at the kit as it is, the flow of the body is designed to keep the front end down low, possibly too low... At least you don't have an enormously retarded wing on the ass end that you'd need to do 38432 mph to take ful advantage of :P
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Post by: 3sgte on March 20, 2005, 05:43:25 am
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and asfar as drag slips are consernd sorry I dont have any (did not think to keepthem sorry).


You didn't think to keep the slips from a run that saw you go under 10?

Even if I didn't need them for myself or my buddies, I would have kept them in case I needed to sell the car!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 20, 2005, 06:39:20 am
If I was to sell that car if it was mine... I'd revert it to stock before booting it, unless the person offered me the right price for it as is. Over here, one of the states, Victoria, they have a power to weight ratio rule for Probationary drivers (People who've had their licence less than 2 years)... And it's amazing the rulings there, you can get most cars with a turbo, but you can't have a V8 bigger than a 4L from memory... I don't live there, thank god... They're weird peoples :P
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Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 20, 2005, 06:54:47 am
17s still huge... 14s or 15s id believe lol
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: initialdfan on March 20, 2005, 08:05:32 am
http://www.initialdthemovie.com

has anyone seen that before ?
the movie is gonna be out soon !!!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 20, 2005, 08:25:18 am
14"s or 15"s have too much rubber on them, not enough width in the profile, thus less grip, plus the ability to sway the weight of the car on the tyre.

My car has 14" wheels on it at the moment, and it's only 1.2 ton, but I can still sway the car on the wheels when cornering and even in straights, before the tyres even begin to lose their grip.

16" with a 225 profile would be nice, but 17"s or 18"s with a lower profile but wider... Much better!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on March 20, 2005, 09:07:10 am
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Isnt that a bypass valve? Afaik a wastegate evacuates the turbo when you step off the gas to remove the resistance of the compressed air and makes this lovely sound *g*



lol, you actually have them backwards. ;) A bypass valve (depending on how it's used, also known as a Blow Off Valve, or Dump Valve), is used to relieve pressure between the compresser and the throttle body when the throttle is lifted.  Some people use the term bypass valve to refer to the valve that opens on superchargers to release pressure when the throttle plate is closed, or at idle. (Roots blowers can produce boost at idle)

I saw pics of a turbo after a 25psi pressure wave hit it when the car's BOV failed. Blasted the shaft clean out of the housing.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 20, 2005, 09:38:05 am
going in a straight line requires traction on the ground... it has nothing to do with cornering... more rubber, less air pressure = bigger footprint of traction at every given moment... and if you have 1200 HP you need it all if you arent using complete drag setups..

Anyways... onto the real tech.. you said you have an intercooler... I guess you have a turbo, since supercharging would not make those numbers... or perhaps a dual setup?   ... If you cannot produce slips on your times,.. the least you can do is tell us exactly what setup your using? What turbo? Intake, exhaust, tranny, compression ratio, pistons?.. new heads?  higher strength springs and rockers? what cams are you using? How about fuel management.. that has got to use a lot... what octane fuel does it need to run correct?  Also, most importantly, what suspension is keeping those tires on the ground... any chassis reinforcement? I would think it needs it with those numbers..      

Please quench my thirst... mechanical enthusiast here that just loves those kind of numbers in cars that require massive tuning for that kind of performance.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GunsmithCat on March 20, 2005, 09:47:11 am
If any of you guys are bored and wanna see something pretty neat, heres a clip of an F1 engine startup session:
http://www.presspley.com/F1/video/Presspley%20F1%20Fireup.mpg
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 20, 2005, 10:32:52 am
::gets bored talking about drag cars:: so how about those gt300-gt500 cars now those are impresive
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on March 20, 2005, 11:51:59 pm
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If any of you guys are bored and wanna see something pretty neat, heres a clip of an F1 engine startup session:
http://www.presspley.com/F1/video/Presspley%20F1%20Fireup.mpg


Have any of you heard the clip of the F1 engine playing "And the saint's go marching on"? I know I have it on my PC, but I'll have to dig for it. :\
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 21, 2005, 01:46:45 am
omg please find it lol....  id love to see takumi doing that sorta thing with the 86.... see Bunta's face lol....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on March 21, 2005, 04:06:10 am
Found it. :)

http://www.just-j.net/files/chauffe2.mp3

I can't remember the exact, details, but the engine was a retired F1 motor, and the engineers basically worked out what RPMs would produce what notes, then programmed the ECU accordingly. :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: rectri on March 21, 2005, 06:39:53 am
Heh, heh. Someone in imdm.com forums posted that Initial D the movie is a rip-off of the Fast and the Furious. O_O

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0439630/board/flat/16840677
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 21, 2005, 04:50:41 pm
What a surprise... Seeing that the storyline is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT...

That, and not once have I seen cops in Initial D... So I don't see how in any way it's a ripoff...

If there is a way, someone explain it, please :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on March 21, 2005, 07:39:39 pm
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What a surprise... Seeing that the storyline is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT...

That, and not once have I seen cops in Initial D... So I don't see how in any way it's a ripoff...

If there is a way, someone explain it, please :P


It's got cars, drifting, and driving fast. :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on March 21, 2005, 09:45:56 pm
There was drifting in F&F? Somehow i can't remember... maybe because it sucked, as the rest of the movie did :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: scotty305 on March 22, 2005, 12:49:30 am
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/Gauron/300zx3.jpg)

Kyuzo, I call BS.  Why do you feel the need to impress people by claiming to have a sub-10 second car?  I don't see a roll bar (required by any 1/4 mile track on cars that break 12s), and that interior doesn't look stripped at all. Those tires don't even look to be 245mm wide;  I wonder if that car is even turbocharged. How about some engine bay shots?

Or how about you quit dicking around and just admit you thought it would be cool to post a photo and talk out your ass?


PS, thanks for the subs live-evil!!! Initial D is very entertaining.

-s-
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on March 22, 2005, 03:15:15 am
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Kyuzo, I call BS.  Why do you feel the need to impress people by claiming to have a sub-10 second car?  I don't see a roll bar (required by any 1/4 mile track on cars that break 12s), and that interior doesn't look stripped at all. Those tires don't even look to be 245mm wide;  I wonder if that car is even turbocharged. How about some engine bay shots?

Sorry Scotty but you're possibly talking BS.  In the UK a roll-cage is not a requirement, just a recomendation.  Added to this - are you sure he doesn't have one in his car - it's hard to tell.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on March 22, 2005, 03:48:55 am
Going by his language (said roommate, not flat mate) it sounds like he's from the states, and Scotty's right. To run on an NHRA licensed track, you have to have a roll cage for the speed's he's clocking. If you break the rollcage time once, they warn you, do it again, and they remove you from the track if your car doesn't fit safety regs. I can't see one in the car, but it's hard to tell.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 22, 2005, 04:40:13 am
I have nicknamed roll cages deathtraps, since every experience with one in a crash hasn't ever worked out...

Maybe it was just bad design, although I doubt it, considering they had been inspected by an engineer before the races, but they didn't work at all when you hit the barrier (K rail for people who want to know... It's a BIG concrete slab, steel reinforced... Even tanks can't get through them, and even have a hard time putting a hole in them with a shell), it seemed to do stuff all...

Car was doing roughly 160mph on a 300m straight just before a 45 degree right branch, got around there easily enough, started to brake down for a 90 degree left, cornered, hit a patch of oil, and just went sideways (drivers side), into the wall... Driver walked away, but the rollcage, the car, was about half the width of when we started (I was annoyed, spent 8 hours tuning the damn suspension :/)

Oh well, another 9 months untill we get another race spec car :/
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on March 22, 2005, 05:00:16 am
Sounds like the rollcage did its job if he walked away from that nasty of a crash...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 22, 2005, 05:18:51 am
modified because I confused JC for the so called owner of the rice bucket.

Me = Loves the LE for giving me ID
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 22, 2005, 06:45:13 am
chichin0: Cage was rated for a certain amount of movement, top and front point bars snapped on impact... They're supposed to bend, not snap. So we're useing an alloy this time, not hi card stainless steel forged.

5 point harness? 4 points are quite adequate, and all we can afford to use...

What questions was there to answer, and where? I don't own a 300ZX that claims to do under 10s, I'm more interested in track events, say... 280 and 480 hp classes... The only times I even think of drag racing is after tweaking on my own car, and it's nothing impressive at the moment, still running stock times of 16s (Funny, my car is still stock!)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on March 22, 2005, 07:22:15 am
      I understand what youre saying about the snapping of the roll cage, however at the speed the driver was going that is to be expected, im not trying to start a flame war or anything, its just that without the rollcage the cars frame and body would have had to absorb all of that impact that the cage took (and in the end broke under the pressure).  

      Roll cages as most of you already know are kind of mislabeled, a roll cage (if correctly implemented) stiffens the chassis to help protect the driver in an accident (and most of the time improves handling and lessens torsional body forces) , they are not end all be all fixes and will break (as in the case of the ~160 side impact).  However, even in breaking they have absorbed a large amount of force (high carbon steel is tough shit) and still can be considered to do their job (probably saving drivers life).  
       
As for using Aluminum alloy what alloy are you using?  I have a metallurgy class right now and its just out of curiousity.  The only thing about aluminum cages is that you have to use more of the metal to get the same strength as hi carbon steel... aluminum is only lighter when you dont have to use twice as much to get the same effect (connecting rods demonstrate this nicely, on average an aluminum con rod weighs more than a steel one).  And as we all know after watching ID, weight is everything in racing.  You dont want to engineer an inferior roll cage, that will slow acceleration, worsen handling and braking, and not protect the driver as well... any way those were my 2 cents... this is a wonderful thread btw, even if a little off topic ;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on March 22, 2005, 07:53:33 am
You have to keep in mind that NO roll cage is designed to protect the vehicle, only the driver. if you hit a wall or roll you're vehicle at high speeds, it's probab;y gonna be scrap, heavily damaged at the very least. Trust me I'm a Tow Truck Driver and I specialize in off road recovery, and the only cages I've seen stand up to a roll or a hard hit, are titanium exoskeletons, not really performance enhancing. Most rollcages will break in places if you wreck at more than 50 MPH. the point is they protect the occupant(s)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 22, 2005, 08:26:18 am
The one we'd installed was supposed to be rated to hold rigidity to up to 300km/h, but... Eh...

We need a new R32 body now :P

The alloy we're looking at is the same sort of alloy used to make the blocks in cars, especially the new Holden (Uhm... Pontiac... I think for you US people) Alloytec V6 and V8 engines (192Kw as an NA engine... Yummy), but that's up to the people who race, I just tune the suspension and a few other things.

Considering the impact and everything, we were able to recover most of the block, both diffs (GTR), gearbox, and 50% of the fuel system... Ironically, the bracket that had been put in for a NOS bottle was completely destroyed on impact, thus making us relieved that there wasn't a bottle in there, else it'd be a different kettle of fish :/

NOS is death in a bottle :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 22, 2005, 08:29:52 am
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chichin0: Cage was rated for a certain amount of movement, top and front point bars snapped on impact... They're supposed to bend, not snap. So we're useing an alloy this time, not hi card stainless steel forged.

5 point harness? 4 points are quite adequate, and all we can afford to use...

What questions was there to answer, and where? I don't own a 300ZX that claims to do under 10s, I'm more interested in track events, say... 280 and 480 hp classes... The only times I even think of drag racing is after tweaking on my own car, and it's nothing impressive at the moment, still running stock times of 16s (Funny, my car is still stock!)


My appologies, the comments about cages made me believe that you were the ricer with teh 300z... lol...

Anyways... when using a bucket seat with a 4 point harnest or more... you should have... aka need a roll cage because if you roll over, instead of sliding sideways in the seat while the roof collapses... you would be trapped straight up, and have your neck snapped or head crushed by the roof.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: email__tim on March 22, 2005, 11:47:50 am
Has anyone tried the website http://www.initialdthemovie.com/ Is it just me or is this website SLOW?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 22, 2005, 01:08:46 pm
The website is slow... I tried it on the 100mbit link that I have at a temp work, and it was slow as :(

It's okay coobluedab... I had to read it a few times before realising that you were on about someone else... That and I would NEVER buy a 300ZX... Engine maybe, but pfft... My Holden Commodore VL rules (They came with the R31 Skyline engine, what more can I say... An RB26DETT fits in perfectly)

For all the car orientated people here who know what they're on about... What would you rather see under the hood of an R32 GTR... The "stock" layout of the RB26DETT, or would you rather see a nicely worked RB26DESC (Supercharged)?? I was working out the rough power figures, and got to within about 15 hp (Supercharger was 15hp up on the turbo at lower rpm, didn't go all the way up the powerband) :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sun_Tze on March 22, 2005, 07:24:28 pm
Ok, now making you talk about other cars besides Jap cars.

A friend of mine is an owner of a Corsa (Stock photo here: http://www.corsaturbo.com/recursos/2002/08.19/1.jpg ) that is now with 303HP on his front whells, that makes it quite difficult to make turns with this car.

So, here is his last stuff he is trying to install on his Corsa:

(http://www.corsaturbo.com/recursos/2005/03.19/01.jpg)

(http://www.corsaturbo.com/recursos/2005/03.19/02.jpg)

A 4X4 system from a Calibra Turbo :) If he succeds on istalling this, his car can go up to 500HP
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on March 22, 2005, 07:40:14 pm
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especially the new Holden (Uhm... Pontiac... I think for you US people)

Holden's variants have cousins in almost all of GM's Stable
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on March 22, 2005, 09:08:12 pm
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Ok, now making you talk about other cars besides Jap cars.

A friend of mine is an owner of a Corsa (Stock photo here: http://www.corsaturbo.com/recursos/2002/08.19/1.jpg ) that is now with 303HP on his front whells, that makes it quite difficult to make turns with this car.

A 4X4 system from a Calibra Turbo :) If he succeds on istalling this, his car can go up to 500HP


Opel sucks, really! And 303HP on that tiny little car is just crazy! Why not using the money and buyning another car, maybe one that is not mainly driven by housewifes?
Oh man, i really dont get it. Of all cars... a Corsa!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sun_Tze on March 22, 2005, 09:20:16 pm
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Opel sucks, really! And 303HP on that tiny little car is just crazy! Why not using the money and buyning another car, maybe one that is not mainly driven by housewifes?
Oh man, i really dont get it. Of all cars... a Corsa!



Correction, Opel doesn't suck. We have one here, and until now, we didn't have one problem with it (Opel Zafira). And the main reason for him using a Corsa, was that he had it falling apart, and it is an actual funny project to make. Come on, 3 of the strongest cars in HP in Portugal are small cars (Civic aka Boo!, Corsa Turbo and 205 Turbo).

And where is the Corsa driven by housewifes? Around here, the number of male Corsa drivers surpasses the female drivers. And oh, if Opel sucks, why 90% of driving schools here use Opel cars?

And Opel has the currect record for the fastest Minivan and fastest hothatch :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on March 22, 2005, 09:32:16 pm
Ok, the newest opel cars are better, but the Corsa you talked about is the worst. I've never before driven a car that is so uncool! The engine is crap, weak, not revving, the cassis is unsafe and soft (believe me, i have seen SOME wrecked Corsas, sometimes only stripes of metal left), the quality of the whole car is just poor. The only good thing you might possibly find is the low price and the low fuel consumption. (Good for driving schools?)
Well, I dont want to offend anybody who is drinving an Opel, but choosing it to make it a race car doesnt make sense to me. There are far better cars as a platform.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sun_Tze on March 22, 2005, 09:49:02 pm
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Ok, the newest opel cars are better, but the Corsa you talked about is the worst. I've never before driven a car that is so uncool! The engine is crap, weak, not revving, the cassis is unsafe and soft (believe me, i have seen SOME wrecked Corsas, sometimes only stripes of metal left), the quality of the whole car is just poor. The only good thing you might possibly find is the low price and the low fuel consumption. (Good for driving schools?)
Well, I dont want to offend anybody who is drinving an Opel, but choosing it to make it a race car doesnt make sense to me. There are far better cars as a platform.


The guy isn't that dumb. He actually made a rollcage and reinforced the chassis from the car. And he knows the risks he's taking with such car :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: 3sgte on March 23, 2005, 02:28:54 am
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Ok, the newest opel cars are better, but the Corsa you talked about is the worst. I've never before driven a car that is so uncool! The engine is crap, weak, not revving, the cassis is unsafe and soft (believe me, i have seen SOME wrecked Corsas, sometimes only stripes of metal left), the quality of the whole car is just poor. The only good thing you might possibly find is the low price and the low fuel consumption. (Good for driving schools?)
Well, I dont want to offend anybody who is drinving an Opel, but choosing it to make it a race car doesnt make sense to me. There are far better cars as a platform.



Thanks for that highly technical review of Opel.

One question, What is wrong with driving housewives?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: BOZZY on March 23, 2005, 02:59:23 am
Well here's some good news to hear...

Good news !!! OB Planning had just announced that there will be two (2) new episodes (Episode 15 & 16) for Initial D Fourth Stage, which now consists of 16 episodes total. The air date for episode 15 - 16 is June 18th, 2005. And just in case you are wondering, air date for episode 13 - 14 is April 16th, 2005.
- from Initial D World

http://www.obkikaku.com/initial/index.html

Also it is mentioned on their website...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on March 23, 2005, 05:12:22 am
Hey no fair, I already posted that in the other 4th stage thread. Anyway, it true that there will be at least 2 more eps, hopefully more. (Remember Cowboy Bepop was only 13 eps, but got extended to 26 because of demand). it not uncommon in Japan for anime studios to do this. Heres what I can make of it, with my yet limited Japanesse.
Broadcast Schedule: 13th story, 14 story 4/16 (Saturday), 15th story, 16th story 6/18 (Saturday).
Hopefully they will extend to more than 2 or maube even a 5th stage.
Let us all pray to the car/anime gods together, so we shall see more ID.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on March 23, 2005, 05:48:08 am
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Roll cages as most of you already know are kind of mislabeled, a roll cage (if correctly implemented) stiffens the chassis to help protect the driver in an accident (and most of the time improves handling and lessens torsional body forces) , they are not end all be all fixes and will break (as in the case of the ~160 side impact).  However, even in breaking they have absorbed a large amount of force (high carbon steel is tough shit) and still can be considered to do their job (probably saving drivers life).


Rally rollcages are STRONG. Not sure if anyof you heard, but the #1 driver for the Subaru US Rally team died in an accident. They hit a huge tree sideways at 80+MPH. The rollcage didn't even dent. Check out some WRC wrecks, the fact the drivers walked away from some of those wrecks (like when Tommi Makenin hit a wall and rolled down a cliff in Corsica) is a testiment to how strong the cages are built. They certainly earned their name in Rally.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on March 23, 2005, 06:44:25 am
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Thanks for that highly technical review of Opel.

One question, What is wrong with driving housewives?

Nothing, but I am none *gg*
Do I feel some sarcasm around? ;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 23, 2005, 07:07:03 am
They shouldn't be out of the kitchen, right? :P Haha, lucky my girlfriend doesn't read this, I'd be dead ;) (She works, I don't... Oh the irony)

Holden import Opels into Australia for sale under the Holden Badge, we also export the Monaro GTO to America as the Pontiac GTO (The new VZ Monaro has fully functional bonnet scoops... Woopde do :/... It has nostrils!)

The image of that car before is the same car that we call the Barina, little 1.4L DOHC 4 cylinder job. Over here it seems good practice to rice it up, with body kits, lowering blah blah blah... I've even seen one with a turbo!

One European car I wouldn't mind getting is the new BMW M5... Mmm :D They're nice, but apart from that, most of the cars I want are Australian made (Holdens), although the police here are now using WRX STi MY05's, EVO VIII's and Astra Turbo's (Not sure of the Opel name for them) as undercover cars... Simply because their normal cars can't keep up with the rice burners here (For a side note, the EVO's can't keep up with ANYTHING :P)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on March 23, 2005, 08:33:00 am
Did you guys get a watered down EVO in kangaroo land? 'cause our EVO's in the states haul like stink... And in britain they have a 405 bhp light weight edition...I believe it's called the EVO VIII MR (S-tune?) i dunno, but i saw it on top gear and it hauled ass.  

BTW that Holden VZ monero, would that have the 6.0L LS2 or the old 5.7L LS1 under the hood? 'cause all of the new GTO's in the states have 6.0L LS2's.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 23, 2005, 09:31:07 am
6.0L LS2... Very sweet engine :P

Nah, not that... With cops, they have a limit on how much they can do with the car before even they can't drive it as a pursuit car. And as it stands the WRX, oddly enough, allows for them to do more with them. Cops arn't allowed to lighten the car in any way, can only do underhood stuff and add in a screen between the front and rear seats for when they have a criminal in the back :P

If the GTO in the 'states has an engine, we have it too, goes there via export... And as I remember from the launch of the GTO with the LS1 in a few years ago, the speaker asked a few people in the audience to comment on the car, and one person said "It's a great testiment to well built american cars" to which the speaker replied "It's actually an Australian built car"... Needless to say, a lot of people were surprised :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Evoluti0n on March 24, 2005, 01:41:16 am
hey guys, i dont know if this been posted, but heres some cool initial d videos i saw on another forum.

http://members.cox.net/d.resto/box_d_streamer.mov

http://members.cox.net/jetttmack/initial_d_stage2.mov
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on March 24, 2005, 03:44:25 am
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They shouldn't be out of the kitchen, right? :P Haha, lucky my girlfriend doesn't read this, I'd be dead ;) (She works, I don't... Oh the irony)

Holden import Opels into Australia for sale under the Holden Badge, we also export the Monaro GTO to America as the Pontiac GTO (The new VZ Monaro has fully functional bonnet scoops... Woopde do :/... It has nostrils!)

The image of that car before is the same car that we call the Barina, little 1.4L DOHC 4 cylinder job. Over here it seems good practice to rice it up, with body kits, lowering blah blah blah... I've even seen one with a turbo!

One European car I wouldn't mind getting is the new BMW M5... Mmm :D They're nice, but apart from that, most of the cars I want are Australian made (Holdens), although the police here are now using WRX STi MY05's, EVO VIII's and Astra Turbo's (Not sure of the Opel name for them) as undercover cars... Simply because their normal cars can't keep up with the rice burners here (For a side note, the EVO's can't keep up with ANYTHING :P)

Holden and ford are both shit.

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Did you guys get a watered down EVO in kangaroo land? 'cause our EVO's in the states haul like stink... And in britain they have a 405 bhp light weight edition...I believe it's called the EVO VIII MR (S-tune?) i dunno, but i saw it on top gear and it hauled ass.  

BTW that Holden VZ monero, would that have the 6.0L LS2 or the old 5.7L LS1 under the hood? 'cause all of the new GTO's in the states have 6.0L LS2's.


yes we got the watered down version of the evo 8.  its so shit here
Max. output (EEC net) kW (PS)/rpm: 195 (265) @ 6,500
Max. torque (EEC net) N-m (kg-m)/rpm: 355 (36.2) @ 3,500
Max. speed km/h: 245
Acceleration (0–100 km/h) sec.: 6.1
Acceleration (0–400m) sec.: 14.5
Turning Circle: 11.8
Power/Weight Ratio (kW/Kg): 7.5
Specific Power (kW/litre): 97.5
Fuel consumption (litres/100 km) (ADR 81/01): 10.9
CO2 (g/km) ADR 81/01: 258
Total kg: 1,470
http://www.lancerevolutionviii.com.au/specifications.asp

vs REAL EVO
(japan evolution 9 RS)

power: kW (PS)/rpm       206 (280)/6500
torque: Nm (kg.m)/rpm  407 (41.5)/3000
weight : 1320kg
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/EVO/spec02.html
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 24, 2005, 06:48:13 am
Do you know why the car is "Watered down?"

It's our octate content in our fuel :) It's almost done on purpose... So if you want the extra bits of power, you need higher octate in your fuel, notice how we can't get it over 100ron points even with a bottle of octate boost?

A ricer fanboy... Please leave the country, you know where the airport is, or does Sam have to show you the way? :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 24, 2005, 09:11:02 am
why would the car be manufactured and distributed in a condition where octaine level of a country would be detrimental for an engine...
Octaine is basically like this right... higher the number, the higher compression is needed to ignite it.  Match the fuel with compression ratio, and you will have a reliable machine that fires at the correct time and not early and not missing...


So unless I can be proven wrong.....  By your statement... that lower octaine is the reason.. (which would mean the car is in a state in which it is not firing correctly from manufacturer for the country and that would mean danger to the engines in a big way) ....Then the only way to get the extra HP is to bump up compression with a thinner head gasket or different pistons etc....  then use the same octaine level as is required by the jap model.  

Simply using higher octaine will not help an engine unless it is misfiring early.  The same goes for lowering octaine if it cannot ignite it early enough.
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Post by: Sti_Brumby on March 24, 2005, 11:12:40 am
Kangaroo land wtf???? i live in australia and only see one if i'm lucky. There not everywere how you think.
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on March 24, 2005, 03:11:03 pm
every experience I've had with an Evo "here in the states" just stinks. Mitsubishi sucks donkey dong and I wish they'd just go out of business already. no offense to any triple-tri fanboys here, but seriously they underbuild overhyped jelopi's under badge's of vehicles that used to be cool, like the Evo or the Eclipse. I say they need a good swift kick in the sack to get their shit straight.
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Post by: Just_J on March 24, 2005, 08:41:52 pm
The higher the octane number, the slower it burns, and the higher the temps need to be to light it off. Compression itself doesn't really come into play, the reason fuel detonates in high compression is because of all the heat.

Companies tune their cars to run on certain types of gas. It's not too hard to tweak a ECU map to run on crappy gas for a different country, it's the same as when a car such as a WRC car switches maps for the road sections. Less aggression in the mixture (they run the car richer, use less aggressive timing) = less risk of pinging = more reliability. Hell, here in the states, the gas Quality from Mobil may be better than the gas from Phillips 66, or you may get a bad batch of gas. That's why all modern cars have Knock sensors. While they can't cure really bad detonation, they can retard the timing enough to quell small pings. Many stock cars will ping under high load in warm weather.

In the US we use (RON + MON)/2 for our octane rating, some countries use one or the other, which can be misleading. I'm not sure if it's still the case, but there was a lot of debate about how cars in Japan use higher octane, thus they run higher power numbers than what is possible in the US. Only Japan uses RON, which reads as a higher number than (RON + MON)/2. So 96 Octane in Japan may be the same as 91 in the states. The cars are detuned for emissions overhead.

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every experience I've had with an Evo "here in the states" just stinks. Mitsubishi sucks donkey dong and I wish they'd just go out of business already. no offense to any triple-tri fanboys here, but seriously they underbuild overhyped jelopi's under badge's of vehicles that used to be cool, like the Evo or the Eclipse. I say they need a good swift kick in the sack to get their shit straight.


I'll agree that Mitsu is a sh*t company, but the EVO is a great car.
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on March 24, 2005, 09:02:42 pm
Don't get me wrong I'm sure it's a blast to drive, but the recent Evo released in the U.S. ( the Evo VIII right?? ) doesn't compare to Evo three's or four's, and I really my poiny is better made when you look at the Eclipse, the new generation is Eclipse is SO UGLY, and when was the last time they made a GSX,....... bastards.
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Post by: Just_J on March 24, 2005, 09:47:36 pm
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Don't get me wrong I'm sure it's a blast to drive, but the recent Evo released in the U.S. ( the Evo VIII right?? ) doesn't compare to Evo three's or four's, and I really my poiny is better made when you look at the Eclipse, the new generation is Eclipse is SO UGLY, and when was the last time they made a GSX,....... bastards.


As far as the styling goes, the V and VI were my favorite. However, the VIII and the upcoming IX, are in almost every way better than the III, IV, and even the V. The VII was a peice of crap, too heavy, and ugly. The VIII, while still not a beauty to look at, is quicker, and more agile.

It seems both Mitsu and Subaru took a step back from the VI and Vers. 6 (respectively), before they began taking bigger steps forward.

I remember the New Age STi, while fast, wasn't as fast, or as nimble as the outgoing GC/GM chassis, because it was so damn heavy. The V6 weighed less than my RS (2825), at around 2770 lbs. IIRC, the New Age weighed more than that in Spec C trim. The current car is still heavy, but it's more powerful, and more agile than ever before.

As far as the Eclipse goes, sales numbers dictate the life of a car, and a trim level. The GSX accounted for less than 10% of Eclipse sales. The GST was a bit more, but the bulk of Mitsu's profits came from the RS, GS, and the Spyder. From a money making standpoint, it was smart of them to switch to a FWD V6 (existing drivetrain). I don't like it, but Mitsu needs to sell cars, and the GSX wasn't cutting it.

I can't stand Mitsu, so I'm not really defending them, just throwing out the logic as to why they did what they did. ;)
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Post by: chichin0 on March 24, 2005, 10:15:33 pm
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Kangaroo land wtf???? i live in australia and only see one if i'm lucky. There not everywere how you think.


Dude it was a joke, I didnt mean anything by it.  Feel free to call my country land of the bald eagles, or land of the overweight people ('cause god knows they ARE everywhere).  So dont go pulling out your crocodile dundee knife, ok? :)

As for Mitsu, the EVO is their only reliable and track worthy car.  It does not however, compare to a WRX STI in terms of quality.  Performance is somewhat equal (although my opinion is that the STI outperforms the EVO).

And as for the eclipse they stopped making good ones when they ended the gsx (and those were even a little low quality).  The glory days of mitsu were when they had the EVO's III, IV, V, VI, the 3000 GT VR4, and the Eclipse GSX.  Ever since then they have been kinda shitty.
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Post by: fabs on March 24, 2005, 11:39:25 pm
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Dude it was a joke, I didnt mean anything by it.  Feel free to call my country land of the bald eagles, or land of the overweight people ('cause god knows they ARE everywhere).  So dont go pulling out your crocodile dundee knife, ok? :)


Hahah, I am Australian (in Sydney) and have just gotten back from a three month working trip in California. These generalisations are pretty funny.

I'd love to write more, but I have to go and scare these kangaroo's out of my vegatable garden with my massive croc knife.
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Post by: Evoluti0n on March 24, 2005, 11:41:30 pm
if I had to pick one today, I would choose sti, better quality, good for the price and bigger engine. I cant see myself pay +28k for a mitsu car. Have you seen the interior, the quality looks crap. How much is the mr price at???
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Post by: angelan on March 25, 2005, 12:46:57 am
you guys should be happy with your evos.....you don't even have em here!!!! *shakes fist....hard....very hard....* altho i would choose the sti too (which we do have) =P

oh btw, i'm from the land of snow and ice and polar bears.....brb, one got into the igloo. (Canada)
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Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 25, 2005, 03:31:34 am
man i missed alot in 5 days
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Post by: hellbent on March 25, 2005, 06:10:57 am
angelan, u from Canada to, what part. Iam in T.O.. Yeah anyways, at least u guys get the evo, we dont. also, u guys get the lotus elise, the car Iam trying to get. Now that car can kill the sti and evo, dont believe me, just read Car and Driver, Road and Track, Motortrend, all of them say the same thing, its a exotic killer. plus it has toyota engine. Imagine if someone tuned that car and engine (it goes 0-60 in 4.8 sec,stck).
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Post by: JC on March 25, 2005, 07:36:26 am
The octate level dictates the ways the car is manufactured, according to a subaru enthusiast that my dad works with. He got a 2004 Liberty top of the range last year, just after they stopped making the B4 (Twin Turbo), as the junk that was in the fuel we have here (Before BP Ultimate, which caused a riot in the High Octate fuel ranges) was extremely detrimental to the engines, thus the cars were tuned down, or simply using different components in key areas, thus reducing performance.

I still think that the MY98 WRX STi is the best one that Subaru ever released, what with a GReddy T66 and 205Kw... It's the fastest production one they've made... Apparently Australia gets a special edition over the next few years, since there's been some sort of outcry about it (Automotive writeup in the paper a few months back), that sees the STi go "Back to basics", ie: It loses most of the optional extras that come as standard, back to the beefed up engine design and a lighter body... At the sacrifice of some of the comforts, including climate control (Still gets aircon though, or free air, ala WINDOW).

So it just goes to show that if a country such as ours complains a lot and buys a huge amount of their '03/'04 stock... We get a little bit of a bonus (More like bribary, but they're bloody good cars)
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Post by: hellbent on March 25, 2005, 08:51:18 am
yeah it happend here in Canada, we got some special edition Tiburon, and some special Celica. Though both were crap, not much enhancment on the engine side, just some alloy rims and a disc changer.
Dont u just hate that, when they come out with a half-assed special editon.
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on March 25, 2005, 09:28:23 am
I understand why Mitsubishi turned teh eclipse into a bitch wagon, but I can't condone it, AND it didn't work as predicted there still going down, they should've gone the other way and embraced their race heritage, I tell you a WRC Factory championship would save that company.
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Post by: 3sgte on March 25, 2005, 04:24:40 pm
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The octate level dictates the ways the car is manufactured, according to a subaru enthusiast that my dad works with.


Low octane fuel plus lots of boost = danger of detonation.
Vewy vewy badddd for booosted enginnne.

(hey, why is exhaust coming out of my valve cover? )
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Post by: Dapprman on March 25, 2005, 05:21:46 pm
RON Ratings - sorry Just_J - but all of Europe also uses RON (as opposed to (RON+MON/2).
BTW US fuel = 86 or 90 RON depending on where you are - though I have heard of some states selling 91 and even 92.  In Europe stock fuel is 94 and higher octane is either 97 or 98 (though in Germany I beleive BP sell 100 octane).
In Japan they well 90 and 100 Octane fuels.
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Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 25, 2005, 08:09:53 pm
jap fuel is close to ours... its not 100 and 91 here..  its closer like 94 jap 93 america... that isnt exact... but close, they do have higher oct... but not by a huge amount..  you are just getting caught in the different methods used to measure it.
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Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 26, 2005, 01:32:25 am
exhaust coming out of your valve cover mostly like says theres something wrong with one or more of your intake valves maybe bent or not seating right and allowing a leak,i think. If anyone thinks im wrong or knows somethings else that could cause it,post it, i would love to correct errors in my knowledge
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Post by: Just_J on March 26, 2005, 02:23:06 am
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RON Ratings - sorry Just_J - but all of Europe also uses RON (as opposed to (RON+MON/2).
BTW US fuel = 86 or 90 RON depending on where you are - though I have heard of some states selling 91 and even 92.  In Europe stock fuel is 94 and higher octane is either 97 or 98 (though in Germany I beleive BP sell 100 octane).
In Japan they well 90 and 100 Octane fuels.


Sorry what? I'm in the US, we use (RON+MON)/2, it's on every gas pump. 91 Octane is the minimum for "premium", where I am they have 92, and 93 in some spots.

The fuel here is ~86 for regular, ~88 for plus, ~91 for premium. Up the street, to be exact, it's 87, 89, and 92. There's a drag strip with 100 octane unleaded. :-D

JC, the car you're talking about is the Spec C. They're probably throwing on a different name for the AUS market. I hope they bring a Spec C version of the USDM STi over. :)

I'd say the Version 6 STi Type RA is one of the best ever made. Such a sweet car. :) The new Spec C is wicked fast however. The rumor mill is churning about the next USDM STi, I know the WRX here is getting a bump in displacement to 2.5L, and a jump in power to 240 IIRC. I'm curious to see if Subaru increases the power of the STi to compensate for the uprated EVO.
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Post by: 3sgte on March 26, 2005, 02:56:20 am
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exhaust coming out of your valve cover mostly like says theres something wrong with one or more of your intake valves maybe bent or not seating right and allowing a leak,i think. If anyone thinks im wrong or knows somethings else that could cause it,post it, i would love to correct errors in my knowledge



Actually, you are off base on the intake valve thing.

If detonation breaks the rings, or the piston ring lands(grooves), the combustion gasses will enter the crankcase. This is the source of exhaust I was referring to.(in the context of the fuel quality discussion)

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Post by: JC on March 26, 2005, 04:40:39 pm
The 'states had the MY04 WRX STi with a supercharger option... According to a subaru dealers website in the US I found ages ago... Can't find the URL in any logs though, so I'd have to search through all the google results for it... Not really in the mood for that :P

Thursday night I went rallying with some friends... Got a GTiR bogged due to the idiot owner lowering it and trying to clear some really soft sand, but he was most embarrased to have himself pulled out by a Charade Turbo :P At the end of the night we had a race in teams of two, ended up being a tie between my friends MY98 STi and an EVO III, due to the EVO nudging us on the last corner and sending us a little wide, else we'd've won hands down :/

Such fun in Pine Plantations :D
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Post by: Just_J on March 28, 2005, 12:52:41 am
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The 'states had the MY04 WRX STi with a supercharger option... According to a subaru dealers website in the US I found ages ago... Can't find the URL in any logs though, so I'd have to search through all the google results for it... Not really in the mood for that :P


Car dealers are full of crap, and that one is no exception. There is not a Supercharger option for the STi. If that particular dealer had one (which I highly doubt), it's specific to them.
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Post by: irockash on March 28, 2005, 04:34:50 am
kinda off topic arnt we?
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Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 28, 2005, 08:52:31 am
happens alot. but its fun just the same
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Post by: JC on March 28, 2005, 09:15:04 am
irockash: Welcome to real forums :P

Just_J: That wouldn't surprise me, the other thing as bad as car dealerships is little old ladies in Fords who don't look where they're going (Not a scratch to her... My front end looks like someone hit it with a claw hammer :/)

That's another $300.00 I'll be spending on repairing the front of my car... At least now I've become effecient at it and it won't take as long as before... Perth drivers SUCK!
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Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on March 28, 2005, 11:22:10 am
goddam dude, why do you have to pay?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 28, 2005, 07:27:23 pm
if he lives in a place like florida where its a no fault state you have to pay for your own stuff regardless of whos fault it was... it sucks but whats there to do about it.
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Post by: 3sgte on March 28, 2005, 09:22:15 pm
Isn't Perth one of those islands in the Florida Keys?
;)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on March 28, 2005, 11:47:27 pm
lol... Yeah... It's cheaper without going through all the red tape and insurance companies :/

That and if you go through insurance companies, they tend to ask lots of questions that you don't really want to have to answer... Like why your car has a pod filter, blah blah blah...

Perth, capital city of Western Australia... :P

On a sidenote... Both accidents that have happened, I've given out my insurance details, and never had a claim made... First one the dickhead broke the law by not giving details, the second one I moved the bumper on the other car less than 5mm... And some mild scratches... Wow :P
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Post by: Drift on March 29, 2005, 04:36:29 am
That's no surprise. When your car has the front smashed it becomes automatically your fault in my state. Those dumb insurance companies will do anything to keep the money and nothing to help you.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 29, 2005, 05:33:59 am
yeah its so annoying those insurance companies i mean honestly we pay them to pay for our stuff and then when something happens they are like who the f*** are you
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Post by: JC on March 29, 2005, 07:35:46 am
Doesn't help that I only have 3rd party with fire and theft cover... Means I'm covered for the other person... But I have to pay for myself :/

But considering I'm 19... Comprehensive insurance is over a grand a year untill I turn 26 :/ So 3rd party will have to do :(

Had a big laugh last night... Saw some guy in a fairly well done up NSX being tailgated by a scooter :D About 150 Metres or so down the road, the scooter overtook him, then the NSX sped the hell up as if he was wanting to race... Probably a bit embarrased to be passed by the scooter...

To add insult to injury... It happened outside a McDonalds carpark full of "ricers" on a car cruise... Some of them were laughing so hard they were crying :D
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Post by: Drift on March 29, 2005, 08:27:27 am
lol i'd feel embarrassed too if i was him.
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Post by: CooBlueDAB on March 29, 2005, 09:06:33 am
if my insurance was only a grand each year, id have it made.. when I was 19, it was 4500, with a clean record... and all I had was a 2000 civic ex... not even new at the time
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Post by: randomdriver on March 29, 2005, 11:54:07 am
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That's no surprise. When your car has the front smashed it becomes automatically your fault in my state. Those dumb insurance companies will do anything to keep the money and nothing to help you.



well, in most cases where someone has their front smashed in, they're at fault, whether it be lack of concentration, tailgating, etc.   but yeah, if someone is unlucky enough to get cut off and brakeslammed on, it'd be a PIA to try to prove.  
and i believe insurance is really like a racing helmet;  you get what you pay for.    
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Post by: BloodKnight on March 29, 2005, 04:38:58 pm
Actually, you get cut off and brakeslammed it is your fault because you didn't slow down to let the person over with enough room. :|  Now, If someone TURNS in front of you and you hit them.. That is a different story, they failed to yeild... But that is the only case I've ever heard of the person who has the front end smashed getting off.

I'm reading all this about Insurance and I'm like.. God I'm lucky.  I had a speeding ticket on my record when i was 19 and I was insured on both a Jeep and a 94 Trans Am, full coverage on both and I was only paying 1600 a year in car insurance.  Although I do know that rates go down with two cars I didn't think they'd go down that much for a sports car and an offroad vehicle.
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Post by: fabs on March 29, 2005, 05:37:43 pm
In case it hasn't already been mentioned here (I really couldn't be bothered reading through all of the pages of this thread) this was posted at Initial D world http://www.geocities.com/go2initiald/right.html


[quote ]

(March 22nd, 2005)
         Good news !!! OB Planning had just announced that there will be two (2) new episodes (Episode 15 & 16) for Initial D Fourth Stage, which now consists of 16 episodes total. The air date for episode 15 - 16 is June 18th, 2005. And just in case you are wondering, air date for episode 13 - 14 is April 16th, 2005.    [/quote]

Anyway, I'll keep waiting for episodes 11 and 12 to be subbed be L-E. Can't wait to see what happens.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 30, 2005, 01:12:53 am
what if somone reversed really fast into your front end is it still your fault. i mean if your in a parking lot or something cause if it still got pinned on me i would kill everyone at the insurance company
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Post by: hellbent on March 30, 2005, 02:13:26 am
One word of advise, dont be like me. I have so far 6 speed tickets, 1 license ticket, and two suspens. No insurance company will actually insurce me (opps, shouldnt have said that). Anyway, my advice is dont speed and for the love of god, dont street race, eventually it will come back to u.
If u r wondering how I drive my car. Its under my dad's name and insurance. So technically and legally it his car.
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Post by: Dapprman on March 30, 2005, 05:22:01 am
And that is why I do track days.

BTW dare I mention I managed to keep my insurance to under a grand (stirling) by having a quiet exhaust and keeping the cat on - knowing it's costing me 20-30 rwBHP (25-40 compared to flywheel (where manufacturers quote) (UK, European, Japanese & Australasian Dynos - not US - increase by another 25% for them - different way of reading power))
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on March 30, 2005, 08:12:24 am
yeah we darn americans we cant do anything the way everyone else does... sometimes i wish we did things the same ways as the rest of the world... like the metric system. why do we need freaking inches and crap scrap it for teh more common system it would be easier but nooo noone listens to the guy who knows what hes talking about
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on March 30, 2005, 08:35:25 am
Yeah, we keep telling our southern neighbor to switch. as far as Iam concerned Canada is not the backward country. Are the brits still using the imperial or have they switched to meteric too.
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Post by: JC on March 30, 2005, 10:18:16 am
Hi flow cat... 2 1/2 inch all the way through with two hi flow mufflers, little louder but zip power loss compaired to the other two...

Costing $390.00 AUD for a rear bumper removed, repainted and refitted... Ouchies for me...

It's costing me about a grand and a half for my stereo system in my car :(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on April 01, 2005, 06:05:12 am
I would like to say a big THANK U/ARIGATO. for the ID eps, Trully worth it.
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Post by: DrDubbleB on April 01, 2005, 06:45:15 am
Woohoo, they're out. :)  I can't wait to see them, thanks again to the entire LE crew. :)
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Post by: JC on April 01, 2005, 06:54:26 am
Yay... Quality Fansubs live! :D
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Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 01, 2005, 09:03:18 am
Three cheers for LE&IDE's good quality work! ::Worships the team::
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: randomdriver on April 01, 2005, 11:01:46 am
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Actually, you get cut off and brakeslammed it is your fault because you didn't slow down to let the person over with enough room. :|  Now, If someone TURNS in front of you and you hit them.. That is a different story, they failed to yeild... But that is the only case I've ever heard of the person who has the front end smashed getting off.


actually, there are quite a few cases on fraud that can be proven where someone intentionally cut ppl off and brakeslammed out of nowhere.  of course yea, in thick traffic, the rear ender is at fault.  

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what if somone reversed really fast into your front end is it still your fault. i mean if your in a parking lot or something cause if it still got pinned on me i would kill everyone at the insurance company


reversed hit is the reversed person's fault common sensiedly. but it's a PIA to prove normally; witnesses are key.  

ooh. and LE is out!  =)  thanks for the continued hard work and generousity LE team!
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Post by: 3sgte on April 01, 2005, 07:28:00 pm
Thank you for the release!
(read that how you will... ;) )

PS. Scroll down if you don't see them!
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Post by: muerte12 on April 01, 2005, 09:02:42 pm
Thanks L- E u Rocks!

the the episode has new intro music but i like the ending music though heheeh

Thank Again
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Post by: SW20 on April 02, 2005, 01:02:07 am
I just registered to thanks Ide & L-E.

Thank for the beautiful translation that you've done. The quality was worth the wait. I was speechless for about 5 mins after i watched it, as a car fanatic i've got nothing to add except that's Awesome work and keep it up.

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Post by: someguy_ZERO on April 02, 2005, 01:23:29 am
I'm a noob about the engines and components of cars,
but for Wataru's supercharged Levin, it also uses a boost gauge?

I thought boost gauges were only for turbos.
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Post by: Elchfaenger on April 02, 2005, 03:31:34 am
There is even "turbo" written on the gauge :) But a supercharger produces pressure too, which you can measure, right?

And I really like the new opening!! It seems there will be a Skyline and a S2000 soon? Thats great since I love Skylines. Finally they bring up "real" cars as opponents. The Cappucino was sure fast, but no real car! More like a rollerskate for elephants ;)
Oh and needless to say that I really appreciate the L-E sub. Thx a lot!!!
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Post by: wrestleantares on April 02, 2005, 04:27:18 am
Yes, superchargers have boost gauges.

You can change boost on SC's using different pulley/belt sets.

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Post by: hellbent on April 02, 2005, 07:15:30 am
yes cant wait till we see god foot, and god arm. I can I assure u the next races are gonna rock
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Post by: GooWakJai on April 02, 2005, 02:33:25 pm
great job and nice subs LE.  I can't believe the race took up to 2 whole eps.  I wonder how they'll fit the rest of the story w/ just 2 more eps left becuz they still need to show the battle between Takumi Vs EVO V and how he's gonna drive the Subaru.
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Post by: Supra_Saiyan on April 02, 2005, 09:45:17 pm
4 eps

hehe, we released on april fools day.  wonder if any1 noticed.
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Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 03, 2005, 12:19:25 am
lol i guess they did and what did you mean god foot and god arm?
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Post by: lfepooh124 on April 03, 2005, 01:52:32 am
i think god foot and god arm refers to the drivers of the s2000 and skyline.  i remember one of my bros told me (he reads the manga).  but yeah, these two are suppose to be pretty darn good.  hope that helps.

LFE Pooh
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Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 03, 2005, 02:17:42 am
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. The Cappucino was sure fast, but no real car! More like a rollerskate for elephants ;)



It is a real car, it is a suzuki.  Its just small.

And superchargers are turbos in a way... the difference is, Turbos use exhaust to provide the boost, superchargers use a belt driven pully.  Difference, supercharger more even flow no lag, power at lower RPM, turbo, more upper range power and lag until boost... but in the end.. they serve the same purpose in basically the same way.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on April 03, 2005, 02:36:17 am
Ive always wondered why there are so many cars with a turbo and only few supercharged? To me, the turbo lag is really annoying, I'd choose a supercharger, if i could.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: wrestleantares on April 03, 2005, 06:07:39 am
Superchargers actually take some of the torque away from the engine.

You get more total power from the engine, but a portion of the power must go back into operating the SC system.


Turbo Charging uses what would be wasted kinetic energy, and despite some other drawbacks (pressure increases in exhaust system and lag - kinetic energy must be built up), increases power more efficently than Super Charging.

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 03, 2005, 07:30:14 am
There is also a difference in the types of superchargers used...

Three main types:

Roots
Centrifugal
Twin Screw

They all have advantages and disadvantages... See http://www.proficientperformance.com/tech_centrifugal_vs_roots.php for more info :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on April 03, 2005, 08:39:31 am
Though in racing, turbos rules. U have to remember that they use Anti-lagg systems there. consdering the power the turbos make over SC. plus their torquey, which u need in WRC and JGTC.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mrgeoff on April 03, 2005, 06:27:06 pm
I just want to say thank you to the LE crew for 2 more great episodes!!!!!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: wrestleantares on April 03, 2005, 09:43:42 pm
Yes, in reality it's alot more complex.  I oversimplified just to show him they each have their advantages/drawbacks.

Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on April 04, 2005, 03:01:56 am
Woot ! Nice subbing L-E.

/me goes to watch Episodes 11/12 over and over again.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: gob on April 04, 2005, 12:45:28 pm
Thanks for the episodes. :)

Now just to finish downloading episode 12 for another 2 days!

Was there something done differently to the sound in these episodes? The quality seems better.

I also like the new theme songs.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 04, 2005, 03:52:36 pm
I pity people with slow connections... I got the files down in under 2 hours each... Then seeded untill I got my ratio back up to 1 (8 hours :P)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 05, 2005, 12:14:27 am
i wish i still had a good dsl connection this DSL lite jsut isnt cutting it...and does anyone know if and where i could get some videos of jgtc races? i have some of the BMIs/Hotversion but of those only one of them even shows clips of a JGTC official race
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on April 05, 2005, 12:33:45 am
There is a volume of BMI named "JGTC Official Guide". Its been a while since I watched it, but I remember some nice scenes like Dori-Dori in a rain race. He isnt named "Rainy Tsuchiya" for nothing!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Duke on April 05, 2005, 08:04:35 am
Nice Fansubs As usual Guys! Thanks for the release!

If anyone want the Beginning and Ends Songs, I have them, they are only TV Sized tho. PM me if you want em...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on April 05, 2005, 08:56:14 am
Live-Evil you guys fricking rock, thanks for such an amazing professional quality sub.  I can't even call it a fan sub since it is better than most studio subs, you guys are amazing and well worth any wait!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on April 05, 2005, 10:21:24 am
*feels the love* XD
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on April 06, 2005, 02:22:58 am
:P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 06, 2005, 03:50:07 am
sweet well now im on the hunt for the jgtc offical guide. and yes LE&IDE the subs smoked the others i tried...it really was more impressive when youve seen what else is out there.those guys disapointed me you guys left my jaw down =)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on April 06, 2005, 07:46:54 am
I love the songs in Episode 12. They are longer and better to my opinion :) but i still miss those old songs back from Stage 1 though...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Duke on April 06, 2005, 08:27:14 am
Hmmm.... I like all the songs!!! They rock!! I have the first 2 opening song and the last 2 opening songs in .mp3 format!!! I love em all! I cannot wait until the next episode!!! Why does Japan make us wait soo long!!! Lol....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on April 06, 2005, 09:03:12 am
true, ID soundtrack is just the best in the anime business. No other anime has a stellar soundtrack like ID
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: angelan on April 07, 2005, 01:52:02 am
[start of off topic comment]

gundam has decent music too.....

[/end of off topic comment] =) back to your regularly sechduled initial d discussion ^^
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 07, 2005, 02:39:43 am
yeah i have some of the stage one songs and i love em but the more the anime goes the more refined the music becomes its gotten better right alongside ID hey look at the date only a lil while longer til new episodes!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on April 07, 2005, 05:30:03 am
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Hmmm.... I like all the songs!!! They rock!! I have the first 2 opening song and the last 2 opening songs in .mp3 format!!! I love em all! I cannot wait until the next episode!!! Why does Japan make us wait soo long!!! Lol....



Wow someone is high in cafein lol

Although i let some people listen to the songs and they say its crap...What the hell is wrong with them ?!?!

They just don't have any taste...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on April 07, 2005, 07:34:40 am
well "To each his Own" I say. so what if they dont like ID/SEB music. as long as no one bothers me while listening, Iam happy.
btw whats with L-E, look at all these releases, wow thx L-E.
and anyone else think their gonna make 5th stage, It seems almost likely now.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 08, 2005, 04:51:03 pm
I don't mind listening to it all... I go through phases though... Listen to a genre, then another, then another... I guess it keeps me able to live with limited music (About 12,000 songs, give or take)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DARCnarc on April 09, 2005, 09:11:36 am
ya cant really say that initial d music is better though coz its just so different to all otha animes (except for maybe intro and end) but yeh i do personally prefer the intense eurobeat to other anime tracks cause it gives you that warm fuzzy feeling 8@P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 09, 2005, 11:06:27 am
i think it has more to do with the fact that its always so insync with the races and such that when you listen to it without watching id you imagine a race and how intense it would be
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on April 09, 2005, 07:30:08 pm
It also has to do with the music's background. Add the rythms and BAM...Perfect tune :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Duke on April 10, 2005, 10:04:36 am
and Perfect racing music! I like driving at night listening to it, and I dont drive, I can't yet, lol, I just like listening to it in teh car! Lol
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 10, 2005, 12:18:36 pm
If my car had my new deck installed in it and the speakers I'm about to buy... I'd be able to listen to something in the car... Full stop... Gah I hate being broke!

And today's lesson is "If removing switches from car, unplug, don't cut... It causes less damage for you :P"
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on April 11, 2005, 02:21:41 am
Haha, I still have stock system on my car. I rather end up spending my money on engine and suspension/tires, than a deck. I mean isnt a hyper medallion racing exhaust sound much sweeter than listening to ur music. Dont get me wrong, I always have at least 10 CDs of ID music in my car, sometimes u just want to break out that move album and listen to it full blast.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on April 11, 2005, 02:29:39 am
Yeah I pity the guys whose speakers are more powerfull than the engine :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: 3sgte on April 11, 2005, 09:39:15 am
And I envy those that have cars.

I am carless for the first time in ~12 years.
I am hoping for an Altezza or a Caldina wagon though...
(must be patient...)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on April 12, 2005, 12:46:46 am
Well said Elchfaenger, I do laugh at the fools whose system is louder and more powerfull than the engine. Every Fu38ing time they trie to make fun of my car, I just let the exhaust rip, no sound system can mute my exhause system. Funny to look at their faces when 400HP burn my tires.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 12, 2005, 05:06:15 am
I have more watts than HP, its easy lol... a whole 130hp at the crank w00t.. but at 225-250 a gallon... Economy and safe with nice sound for those long trips is the way to go.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DARCnarc on April 12, 2005, 05:44:16 am
hey so just a classification here, is music in initial d euorbeat or super-eurobeat, all the dodgy names on kazaa are getin to me
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 12, 2005, 06:21:47 am
Super Euro Beat from what my mp3s here say (God I wish they were mp4s :/)

Hellbent: At the moment my car is almost completely stock, making about 110rwhp with an RB30E... I need another $3,000.00 or so and I'll have about 230rwhp :P *And no, it's not a bloody turbo!*

Just the downside of the mods is that I have to run premium unleaded else the engine will ping and run like crap... BP Ultimate + Octate booster = 100 octate (Our working out method), which is the same octate content as AVGAS (Airplane fuel >:) )
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 12, 2005, 09:22:10 am
you have to use 100 octane fuel? holy @$%#  what kind of compression will you be running? only people I know using that high of detonation resistance are draggers and rich people lol...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on April 12, 2005, 10:03:12 am
Some "import" engines (such as the RB30) handle higher octanes and ask for more.  Especially since he says its not turbo charged, the compression cant be that high.  I believe Japan has a higher octane of gas, there was discussion about this a few pages back but i couldnt glean a diffinitive answer out of what they were saying.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 12, 2005, 10:21:19 am
Compression ratio will be 10.5:1... Who said I need a turbo for high compression ratioes? :P

This is a tempoary power boost untill I can afford the supercharger, which with the right pistons and everything else will bring me to about 500rwhp... Possibly more

If anyone's curious to know, I'm creating an RB30DE, getting a second RB30E (For about AU$400.00 from a wreckers), and an RB25DE from an R32 GTS 2.5 (The R33 GTS model has Variable Cam Timing, and requires more block modification, while the R32 one lines up perfectly, a simple bolt on mod).

If I left it at that, it would be an 8.3:1 compression ratio, perfect for turbo/super charging, but being as an N/A car, it'll run like crap... Thus I'm putting the RB25DE pistons in, and running a 10.5:1 compression ratio, with my 2990CCs capacity still, and the advantage of DOHC >:)

I have also considered just getting the RB25DE pistons, and an RB26DETT head, as all that is different from that is the stud holes, needing to be bored out a little more, but that's basically it.

Other things I'll need to do is source the oil pump from the RB25DE and get a new timing belt, as neither belt will be long enough (RB25DE belt will be about 11 teeth short from memory)

So all in all, I'm at about a grand at the moment on this, then there's the manual conversion with a GMH VL Commodore (Never released in the US) turbo manual gearbox (Made by Nissan!), and the ECU out of the R32 GTR... 2 1/2 inch exhaust stuff... Not much change from AU$3,000.00!

If anyone's interested in what I'm doing, when I get started I might put stuff up on the web about it :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 12, 2005, 06:48:10 pm
oh you dont need 100 for that... maybe 91 if that...   but not 100 by any means.


As for Japan having higher octane, they dont really.... they Do have a different measuring system, and do have available at the pump one level higher octane fuel than we do in actuality, but it is not that different.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: gob on April 13, 2005, 12:30:34 pm
Stop exaggerating. :p

I get maybe 90HP out of my engine. It uses 97 Leaded which we still get at the pump.
And you have to play with the revs to get even that out. Actually it is a miracle when it starts.

Hahaha.. poor me. :)

At least it is RWD so it can drift (lose control in my case) when its wet.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 13, 2005, 01:29:13 pm
Well RB25DE engines require Premium unleaded fuel, which here is a RON of 98... Octate booster adds an extra 2 RON points... So there you go :)

90hp? 68Kw... What kinda car? :/
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 14, 2005, 03:25:55 am
97 leaded? hmmm i dont think im old enough for that.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on April 14, 2005, 03:22:04 pm
I remember the car my dad bought in '82  already ran with unleaded. Guess leaded disapeared from the gas pumps in the late 80s, at least where i live
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 14, 2005, 04:46:20 pm
Unleaded cars were coming out of Japan early 80's... Possibly earlier

For example, the Sprinter, '83 - '85 (Or so some sites say), unleaded... Models before it were unleaded as well... Just seems that cars made by us westerners were still running leaded fuel untill about '85 :/
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 15, 2005, 12:08:50 am
yeah we dumb westerners lol but yeah leaded gas is no where to be found in south florida as far as i know. so who else is extatic for the next 2 episodes which air in jsut a few short days? im so curious as to whats gunna happen.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 15, 2005, 06:03:51 am
I can't wait for them to get released then fansubbed by LE... Since I've made it a mission that I download nothing but their fansubs for my collection (All four stages)... A project I wouldn't mind seeing done is a "remaster" of the first and second stages... Say, taking the DVDs, and fan subbing them so they're done properly instead of the Tokyopop ones... Here we go again :P

Nah, just be nice to have fansubs of them, so I can actually watch them, as the DVDs I've gotten havn't been good quality, and the fansubs I have are off VHS :/
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 15, 2005, 07:07:37 am
you have all 4?  where could I find stage 1?   (and remember dont bug them, we dont want to lose a month weeks before it airs)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 15, 2005, 08:58:04 am
Yeah, we learnt that one the last time :P

Yeah... All 4... 2nd stage is in canto for all but one ep... So I want to re download that at some point...

As for downloading it... Not entirely sure, I got it off suprnova shortly before it went bust... But if I can knock up another hi throughput server soon, I'll be sure to let you know (10mbit... Not so fast, 1.5 tb of transfer, bloody excellent :D)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 15, 2005, 09:45:23 am
thank you, this thread will soon have over 100,000 views.. that is pretty sweet
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 15, 2005, 12:16:42 pm
Be a lot bigger with over 100,000 posts too :P

Hrmm... Need $120.00 p/month for a new server... Gah!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 16, 2005, 12:18:38 am
the second stage fansubs i have arent bad and they are in jap. but my connection sucks or i would upload them to some of you. quality is good and audio is good some of the subs are timed to be too fast but over all its not bad at all.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 16, 2005, 02:35:51 am
I still see 2nd stage a lot in IRC.. but never first stage... probably licensing lol.... id buy it, but its to like eps 6.. lol.. and no where to be found
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 16, 2005, 06:37:57 am
how do i look for files to download on IRC anyhow? i googled it and didnt find anythign that made much sense. and my friend has stage one dvds that arent tokyo pop that aree good quality and have no english option only japanese language with chinese and english subs. the site he got them was...jack...jack something i dont remember exactly.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Duke on April 16, 2005, 10:23:16 am
I have the 2nd Stage In Japanese I think, they are pretty good quality too! I dont know how I can get them to you tho...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on April 16, 2005, 08:15:02 pm
damn, look like I have to dl my 2nd stage eps all over again, being some of them in cant, and not jap. well u could always try P2P like kazaa or exeem.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: gumbaloom on April 16, 2005, 08:37:48 pm
Hi all,

To try and reduce the sillyness a little....

Initial D Acts 13 and 14 aired today Saturday 16th April 2005 on Japanese Pay Per view television.

WE HAVE GOT THE RAWS FOR BOTH EPISODES 13 AND 14. We do NOT need anyone to give us the raws. If you want to watch the Episodes raw and not wait for the subs you should keep your eye on l33t-raws / www.tokyotosho.com. Raw episode torrents will undoubtedly appear.

Please do not come along to the irc channel asking if they have been subbed yet. It will take a MINIMUM of 1 week and possibly longer for these episodes to go through all stages of the fansubbing process. The timescales will depend on the real life commitments of the project staff.

Please remember that the exam season is either in progress or fast approaching so some staff members might be busy with school. Please show a little understand ing about this as some ID4 project staff might be doing revision and that ALWAYS takes priority over fansubbing.

Thank you for your understanding and co-operation


gumbaloom
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on April 17, 2005, 12:36:51 am
Hey I would wait a year for your subs.  You guys are well worth any wait, thanks for all the previous work you have done and thanks in advance for all the future work you guys will do.  I think I speak for everyone here when I say this.  I also have exams coming up so I am entirely understanding of the necessities of school (I will have to stop working on my car 'til May :( ).
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on April 17, 2005, 12:46:27 am
Oh it was about time somebody posted such a statement. Thanks gumbaloom! I think this leaves no doubt. Hopefully it'll stop the annoying fight about release dates.

And I finished my exams just yesterday! Banzai!! :-D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 17, 2005, 06:35:07 am
I never actually finished school... It got too boring for me so I quit... It's annoying not having the qualifications on my resume or anything like that... But if it comes down to a practical assessment, almost always come out on top of that :P

Good luck to everyone with exams though... They're not easy, but if you keep at it you'll get there... And thanks to LE for the great fan subs
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 17, 2005, 11:41:57 pm
im lucky i dont have exams for another month now thankfully. good luck on the subbing LE&IDE though with skill liek that you dont need it.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on April 19, 2005, 04:46:42 am
My exams are in 2 months....Can't wait to get them over with and welcome sleepless nights :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DARCnarc on April 19, 2005, 11:45:20 am
bleh, my exams are all year round (when not the fantastic holi's.  Anyway LE lookin forward to your subs to try and avoid any unneccessary studying.  

Hey does anyone (manga readers) have any idea when Takumi gonna have a proper battle against his dad? (and undoubtably get his ass cained)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 19, 2005, 08:21:39 pm
well, he sorta had one already... I would call it proper... he led, got got beat easy... he felt like crap because he knew he sucked compared to him.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Elchfaenger on April 19, 2005, 09:05:22 pm
Are you talking about the first appearance of the Impreza? I don't think that counts! He totaly underestimated both car and driver.
Now, since he knows the ability of the Impreza and the fact that his dad is driving, it would be a different story. I don't say he would win, but he would last longer for sure.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 20, 2005, 12:14:00 am
i dont know it seemed to me that they both were driving as well on the course but the impreza had more potential and was able to pass him with power only after using the same techniues he did.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 20, 2005, 01:11:07 am
depends on what he meant by "out brake" ... if it should have been translated as out accelerate, like outbreak.. or as in Bunta is simply better at braking and controlling in the corners.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: thanong on April 20, 2005, 04:41:09 am
can anyone verify this? there is supposedly 2 more episodes added to the 4th stage making it 16 episodes now, is this true?

live-evil rules!!!.....the world
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 20, 2005, 05:52:08 am
yes it is true that there is 2 more eps making it 16 episodes go ahead and cry for joy. we know how it feels =P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 20, 2005, 06:52:29 am
Nyeheh...

Takumi still doesn't know that Bunta has the WRX STi, and in every way the STi is superiour to the AE86...

More power, better brakes, lower centre of gravity... And for once, AWD is an advantage for them (Skylines are unbalanced, and front heavy, do to the higher centre of gravity producted by an upright engine, the flat four that a Subaru has drastically reduces the centre of gravity, thus improving the handling of the car, even for it's weight...)

Actually, with the WRX, and no doubt modifications, Tak could push that car as much as he wanted, and probably still lose, without it actually coming down to driver skill... It's not like the other races that had advantages and disadvantages for both cars, it's more of a monster than an EVO
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: thanong on April 20, 2005, 07:39:19 am
......sweet
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Billthe3 on April 20, 2005, 08:23:13 am
Sorry if its already been asked, but does anyone know if the 13/14 raws are out yet?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on April 20, 2005, 08:40:51 am
yes they are
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: someguy_ZERO on April 20, 2005, 12:47:42 pm
Is this 2-door version of the STI smaller than the EVO?
And the 4-door STI would be longer than the 2 door?

Takumi sounds like he hates his AE86.
The 4WD doesn't even smoke tires when drifting.

BTW, where the hell does Bunta get all the money from? No way he makes that much as Tofu seller.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Billthe3 on April 20, 2005, 01:11:45 pm
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yes they are

Any idea where to get them?

Thanks
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 20, 2005, 01:12:57 pm
Cars in Japan are generally very very cheap, due to their laws and such...

The cars are usually about the same body size, and EVO's generally only come in 4 doors, but there are some 2 door models about (As I've seen anyway)

4WD's drift differently, and in some ways, the angle can be considered not drifting, because there are 4 wheels driving the car, not two

Also another thing is, that the Subaru's have Symmetrical AWD, so there's no range of wheels with more power than the other (front/rear). Most other cars normally have more power at the rear than the front, and some cars (R34 GTR), are RWD untill they lose traction, when the car load balances the drive power into all four wheels to maintain traction, and provide a steady propulsion
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 20, 2005, 07:06:51 pm
and Bunta has no life... so he probably has enough money saved.. lol... Anyways... over 100,000 views.. w00t
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on April 20, 2005, 08:29:27 pm
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Cars in Japan are generally very very cheap, due to their laws and such...

The cars are usually about the same body size, and EVO's generally only come in 4 doors, but there are some 2 door models about (As I've seen anyway)

4WD's drift differently, and in some ways, the angle can be considered not drifting, because there are 4 wheels driving the car, not two

Also another thing is, that the Subaru's have Symmetrical AWD, so there's no range of wheels with more power than the other (front/rear). Most other cars normally have more power at the rear than the front, and some cars (R34 GTR), are RWD untill they lose traction, when the car load balances the drive power into all four wheels to maintain traction, and provide a steady propulsion


sorry noob
there have never been any 2 door evos
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on April 20, 2005, 09:44:52 pm
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Also another thing is, that the Subaru's have Symmetrical AWD, so there's no range of wheels with more power than the other (front/rear). Most other cars normally have more power at the rear than the front, and some cars (R34 GTR), are RWD untill they lose traction, when the car load balances the drive power into all four wheels to maintain traction, and provide a steady propulsion


Not true. The 5 Speed NA USDM versions of the Impreza (and the WRX) are 50/50. The Automatics are 90/10. The Automatic WRX is 45/55, and the STI is 35/65.

The definition of a drift that I know, is when all four wheels are going at a slip angle of around 6 degrees or more. It doesn't matter how many wheels are driving the car, as long as the car is "crabbing" sideways, it's a drift. ;) Tell a rally driver they don't drift. :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on April 20, 2005, 10:39:21 pm
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depends on what he meant by "out brake" ... if it should have been translated as out accelerate, like outbreak.. or as in Bunta is simply better at braking and controlling in the corners.

That line's always bugged me too (I was in the process of moving to Japan at the time and didn't work on eps 7-8). I just asked Eclipse to translate the line again and he said it should be more like "someone I can't catch up to in the corners" rather than "out-brake". Put through the Editor Filter™, with my own translation, it'd be:

"It's no good... I can't beat someone I can't catch up to while braking."

We've seen numerous times that Takumi brakes noticibly later than his opponents due to his driving style. That extra time he spends accelerating (or at least not DEcelerating) gives him a chance to shorten the gap with his opponents who usually have the advantage on straightaways. Against Bunta's WRX, though, Takumi can't even make up the speed difference in the braking part of the cornering process, much less all the other parts. That's just my thought process, anyway.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on April 21, 2005, 12:21:13 am
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Is this 2-door version of the STI smaller than the EVO?
And the 4-door STI would be longer than the 2 door?

Takumi sounds like he hates his AE86.
The 4WD doesn't even smoke tires when drifting.

BTW, where the hell does Bunta get all the money from? No way he makes that much as Tofu seller.


I can only go by the USDM EVO, but the Impreza is shorter, and the 2dr and 4dr Imprezas were (don't make a 2 door anymore) the same overall dimensions (only a SLIGHT weight difference). If Bunta has a Type R or RA, the car weighs about 2750lbs dry.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on April 21, 2005, 12:24:06 am
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That line's always bugged me too (I was in the process of moving to Japan at the time and didn't work on eps 7-8). I just asked Eclipse to translate the line again and he said it should be more like "someone I can't catch up to in the corners" rather than "out-brake". Put through the Editor Filter™, with my own translation, it'd be:

"It's no good... I can't beat someone I can't catch up to while braking."


It sounds like he's talking about out braking someone, which is exactly what you mentioned in the last paragraph.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 21, 2005, 03:24:40 am
Thank you Yoten, that has been bugging me for a long time lol...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 21, 2005, 06:59:37 am
Hehe... They're US models though, we never get those sorts of things here, unless someone was really particular and wanted a US model of those cars...

The 2 door EVO I have seen was not 2 door to begin with, it was simply a modified shell for track use and safety purposes on the track

And as for the power distrobution, last time I was down at Subaru, I asked about them, and the guy mentioned that off the shelf they're 50/50, but the ecu alters the power requirements as you drive, so they can actually be any number of ratios, instead of ones that off the shelf are locked to certain ratioes (There's a version of the Monaro here that is four wheel drive, with a 35/65 split all the time, regardless of driving conditions and so on)

Rally drivers use a base of a standard FR 4 wheel drift in most cases, especially for hairpin turns, or anything past 110 degrees (More than a medium turn), thus on a road more than 30 degrees but less than 55 degrees, it is possible to appear to be sliding, but still driving in a simple manner (And at a fair degree faster than an FR, because the power distrobuted to the road means that the rear wheels won't slide much, if at all)

All those degrees from an entry angle are valid at 90km/h, which isn't all that fast, but is still a fair amount of speed on a tight course
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on April 21, 2005, 09:54:01 am
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It sounds like he's talking about out braking someone, which is exactly what you mentioned in the last paragraph.

Out-braking someone and catching up with someone via braking are two different things... he was talking about the latter. You could loosely interpret the former to mean the latter, but that's just not good enough for editing purposes -- put the latter way, the line is not only more accurately translated, but easier to understand as well.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on April 22, 2005, 01:12:56 am
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Out-braking someone and catching up with someone via braking are two different things... he was talking about the latter. You could loosely interpret the former to mean the latter, but that's just not good enough for editing purposes -- put the latter way, the line is not only more accurately translated, but easier to understand as well.


I think know what you mean, but I've certainly heard the term used to describe someone who's making up ground in the braking zones. But I certainly agree with your point. :)

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And as for the power distrobution, last time I was down at Subaru, I asked about them, and the guy mentioned that off the shelf they're 50/50, but the ecu alters the power requirements as you drive, so they can actually be any number of ratios, instead of ones that off the shelf are locked to certain ratioes (There's a version of the Monaro here that is four wheel drive, with a 35/65 split all the time, regardless of driving conditions and so on)


Said it before, and I'll say it again, dealers don't know dick. The new STi is 35/65 by way of a planitary gear diff attached to the DCCD clutch system. The DCCD tells it how much to lock up, but it's always 35/65. The automatic Subaru's are FWD first, since they use a clutch type computer controlled center diff (even the Outback VCD and WRX cars do, but they also have the planetary gear like the STi does), that doesn't stay full lock unless it's needed. My car is 50/50, no way to adjust it, since all the diffs are mechanical.

This is taken straight from www.subaru.com:
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Driver Controlled Center Differential (DCCD) AWD: Exclusive to the WRX STi. Features both manual and automatic modes, uses an electronically managed multi-plate transfer clutch in conjunction with a planetary gear-type center differential to control power distribution between the front and rear wheels. Normally, DCCD splits power 35% front and 65% rear. DCCD also features a helical-type limited-slip front differential and mechanical limited-slip rear differential.


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Rally drivers use a base of a standard FR 4 wheel drift in most cases, especially for hairpin turns, or anything past 110 degrees (More than a medium turn), thus on a road more than 30 degrees but less than 55 degrees, it is possible to appear to be sliding, but still driving in a simple manner (And at a fair degree faster than an FR, because the power distrobuted to the road means that the rear wheels won't slide much, if at all)


A car doesn't have to be full sideways to be drifting. Even a small slip angle, like 6 degrees, is enough to be considered a drift. Too many people confuse powersliding, and oversteering with drifting, they're not the same. Even on relativly slight turns, the driver usually has the car drifting. However, with how much WRC has advanced, the cars have alot more traction, so at times, it is easier to take a proper racing line with no drifting on easy turns. That was a big gripe of Carlos Sainz's before he retired.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on April 22, 2005, 01:14:42 am
holy crap that was long. Wanted to kill two birds with one post. :p
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on April 22, 2005, 02:30:18 am
Damn Just_J you break a sweat writing up that post? Very informative and well researched, i love this forum, i learn more about cars in this forum than i do in some car forums.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sti_Brumby on April 22, 2005, 05:50:35 am
The Subaru employs an electromagnetic clutch on the center differential. Under normal driving conditions, say you're just cruising down the interstate, the diff clutch is disengaged, and 65 percent of the engine power is routed to the rear wheels, with the remaining 35 to the front (a 35/65 front-to-rear split). The car's engine computer adjusts that center-diff clutch, based on information from the yaw-rate and throttle-position sensors, and can send as much as 50 percent of engine torque to the front wheels. So the Subaru varies the torque split between 50/50 and 35/65. The driver can also manually select the torque split via a center-console switch.

clinton
ausubaru.com
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 22, 2005, 06:08:12 am
man i am never tought stuff like this in my school. and i go to a tech school...(not full tech, highschool tech with half of my day spent in a shop related environment.)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: thanong on April 22, 2005, 07:19:19 am
we just got our regular teacher back a month ago. for most of the semester we had substitute after substitue. one even brought in his ps2 and challenged someone to a race in GT3. it was okay but now that we have our regular teacher back its work, work, work.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 23, 2005, 12:53:54 am
lol my teacher is mostly an electrical stickler i dont think ive been shown anything so far this year thats not an electrical problem.which is all fine and dandy i just wish he would show us how to tune the PCM.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on April 23, 2005, 02:01:15 am
wtf... I can't post my reply. :mad:
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on April 23, 2005, 02:04:07 am
There was some debate on the Impreza boards a while ago about the Impreza STi's "ability" to alter it's torque split to 50/50, primarily because of the misconception that diffs can alter torque splits.

There's no way to change the ratio of the planitary diff that's after the clutch pack, it will always be 35/65, even in varying states of lock, it will be 35/65. The clutch just varies how much it locks. If the pack is open, the center diff will act as an open diff, and the power will travel the path of least resistance (a good example of open diffs in action are when cars do 1 wheel burnouts.) Locked, the diff will not allow any slipage, but will still resort back to its mechanically fixed power ratio of 35/65. While it may seem like 50/50 because all four wheels are forced to spin, it's not. The torque split is set mechanically in the planetary diff, and there is no way to alter it without rebuilding the unit.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on April 23, 2005, 02:05:31 am
that's weird, I copied and pasted my post to notepad, but it doesn't like one of the paragraphs... gives me a 403 error.

Maybe I should clarify. when I was originally trying to post, I kept getting a 403 error, forbidden access to Yabb.pl (IIRC), so I copied the post to notepad so I wouldn't lose it. Figured I give the server a few mins. I tried again, same result, but my "test" post worked, so I tried posting a paragraph at a time. It took the first few, but it gives me the 403 on the third.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Just_J on April 23, 2005, 03:09:59 am
Ok, I just read a pretty interesting article that breaks down torque split, diff locking, and how they work pretty nicely. For those who care, I'll break it down, since work sucks, and I'd rather post about car tech. :)

First thing to know is what Torque is. Torque is twisting force, like if your turning a wrench, the force being applied to the nut is the torque. Next, you need to understand another important little tidbit. Newton said "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". In other words, if you push on something, it's gonna push back. This comes into play when dealing with traction, to put it simply, a car will only exert enough torque to rotate a wheel up to the point where it loses traction. As soon as the car breaks traction, the car stops producing additional torque at the wheel. To get a better idea of this, imagine you're on an excersize bike: If you drop the resistance down to nothing, and start pedaling, it only takes a little work before the thing is pretty much going on it's own, if you pedal more, it just goes faster to the point where it's going so fast that you can't move your legs any faster, with you having done very little actual work. That would be like having a wheel with no traction. Now, if you cranked the resistance up higher, and started pedaling, you would notice your legs would start to get sore, and you would have to work alot harder to get the wheel moving to where it's moving on it's own. That's similar to a wheel with traction accelerating a car. You can see how something would stop producing torque if it's not needed.

This comes into play when trying to figure out where the power is going in a given situation. Since the car will only put down enough torque up to loss of traction, if it takes 10ft-lbs of torque to spin the front wheels, that's all they'll see. So taking into acount the torque split, 10 to the front would be something like 18-20 at the rear, which may not be enough to get the car going.

Remember, with open diffs, power will go the path of least resistance, so while it may take 100lb-ft to move the rear wheels, the car is gonna take the easier route, and put down the 10 to spin the fronts first.

Now, if the diff was locked, in the same scenario, again, 35% of the engine twisting force will go to the front, 65% to the rear, HOWEVER, since only 10ft-lbs are needed to spin the front wheels, that's all they'll see, the rest will go to the rear. So, if you're putting down exactly 100ft-lbs, the torque split would be 10/90. Weight distribution, load, engine torque, and all that also comes into play. So under some situations the torque split may be 50/50, it may be 90/10, or 10/90, all under the same locked diff. However, the car will always try to send power in a 35/65 split. ;)

Ain't car tech/physics grand. :)

I understand this contradicts what I posted origionally, so keep in mind this is real world, what I posted first is in a perfect world. With the diff locked, and the car in the air, power will be split 35/65.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 23, 2005, 07:06:44 am
so do you want to spoil the new episodes that bad?   What possessed you to give away details that must be key in the new episodes...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 23, 2005, 07:13:14 am
i havent watch 13 yet....i cant watch them with out teh subs... and l/e is the only ones that cut it so i wait
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 23, 2005, 07:33:11 am
Thanks for that Just_J, I'll have to look at a WRX STi me and a friend are considering purchasing for a race car with a little more scrutiny (It's an MY98, with some heavy drive train modifications, but before we can really work the car, we have to revert it to stock, as the drive train it has how won't be covered under the racing rules)

someguy_ZERO: If you think about it, the 86 is a 4 cylinder car... Now from what I know about the engine that's under the hood of that car, the final amount of fuel and air ratio inside the cylinder before combustion, is 33.9cc's... That's a pittance of fuel compaired to something like a V8 supercar, which can do about 30 or so laps without a fuel stop (possibly even more!). Combined with the fact it only has 4 pistons to drive at any one time, they use very little fuel, even at high speeds... Also, it could also not be shown during the switching of positions between rounds... They might refuel the cars? :P

Just_J, one question though... Would changing a 35/65 split to a 50/50 split affect performance much? I'd assume it would some how, possibly increase the power lost? (The stock performance of this car is 205Kw (275HP))
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: someguy_ZERO on April 23, 2005, 09:18:32 am
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so do you want to spoil the new episodes that bad?   What possessed you to give away details that must be key in the new episodes...


Sorry about that. Removed.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 23, 2005, 10:10:32 am
i know that a 50/50 split would make it harder to turn but thats about all i know on 4 wheel drives.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sti_Brumby on April 23, 2005, 01:51:06 pm
I have a Sti powered brumby or brat for us owners.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Plop on April 24, 2005, 12:40:58 am
Thanks for eps 13 & 14!
Holla!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: randomdriver on April 24, 2005, 12:48:06 am
just here to say "Thanks LE!"
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 24, 2005, 01:14:21 am
woot thanks and for all who thought he spoiled something when he mentioned 5 rounds i thouhght he was refering to stage 2s 86 battle.i know im an idiot but it made since since i didnt see the new eps til as soon as they are done downloading
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: thanong on April 24, 2005, 01:48:11 am
the best, thy name is Live-Evil!

Thanks L-E!!!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on April 24, 2005, 03:17:32 am
wow that was damn fast, thx L-E, excellent quality as usuall. god I hope for a  5th stage.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 24, 2005, 07:19:00 am
Haha, oh the irony... I start to get ready to reinstall my PC, and LE do a release... Maybe it's telling me something :P

Cheers for the release though, and so quickly too!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on April 24, 2005, 10:44:54 am
I don't think its gonna be this fast next time though.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: blackflyer on April 24, 2005, 11:39:39 am
hmmm the ending is very weird.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: GooWakJai on April 24, 2005, 12:29:55 pm
WOH WOH WOH.....THATS THE END??? I knew before they announced to have only 14 eps but it sure doesn't seem to be the ending??? IS IT FOR REALZ?  But according to AnimeSuki, the total # of eps that 4th Stage will release is 16.  Hope there's more than that =)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 24, 2005, 09:04:33 pm
at least 16...  probably ending at 16, I can see it, I wont discuss it for a while, im sure many many people have not watched it yet.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on April 25, 2005, 02:58:35 am
I'm not gonna give out any spoilers so let me just say...You gotta feel bad for Itsuki though. Ouch!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 25, 2005, 04:56:58 am
haha, nice forum, but I am wondering, if 50 replies makes a hot topic...  there should be a new category to mark the side of Absolutely Mindblowingly HOTNESS topics like ID lol... we are a little past 50 replies...

Perhaps it should be called "ID Award"  "ID Award goes to only the most insaine threads in which a large share of the bandwidth used on this forum and site come directly from it."  lol, well it was a thought.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mad_Ijet on April 25, 2005, 09:46:23 am
is there anybody can help me, how to use the xdcc bots in IRC. cuz I'm always using the bittorrent system, it was taking a long time to completed. which one is faster? using the bittorrent or xdcc bots.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on April 25, 2005, 11:30:03 am
it's depending of  the moment .
sometimes xdcc bot can be faster or not .
also all you need is to read the content of http://xdcc.live-evil.org and join [irc=irc.enterthegame.com/live-evil]enterthegame[/irc] .
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mad_Ijet on April 25, 2005, 12:05:21 pm
gee thanx mikala. but i got the reply from the enterthegame server, it say "live-evil unable to join channel (address is banned)"
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on April 25, 2005, 12:24:33 pm
i guess you're ban for an unknow reason .
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mad_Ijet on April 25, 2005, 12:41:45 pm
i didn't do nothing. so i just finished reinstall the mIRC back, after i remove the program first and delete the program root too on hard drive. but the same thing happen again. so what next should i do?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: gob on April 25, 2005, 02:00:30 pm
Yep ID 4's fans are all addicts.  I can not convince anyone to watch a couple of episodes so that they may become addicts... they normally just think that I am weird for watching cartoon car races. And for screaming IKEEEEEEH when running a red light. heh

I don't know anything about the number of episodes, but from the intro it seems that Takumi must still race Keisuke and drive the Subaru, so it seems to me like at least another 6 episodes?

If only I could get some time to work on my ID game. So far I only have a 3D car model and I have not had time to touch it for the past year+. :(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on April 25, 2005, 03:57:25 pm
i didn't do nothing. so i just finished reinstall the mIRC back, after i remove the program first and delete the program root too on hard drive. but the same thing happen again. so what next should i do?
i'll remove the ban when i'll get back @ home.(so probably tonight around 18PM EST )
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on April 25, 2005, 07:47:04 pm
ok ban is removed .
(dunno why there was a ban on a *large* network )
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mad_Ijet on April 25, 2005, 08:00:37 pm
thanx again mikala
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on April 25, 2005, 11:06:27 pm
i cant see them ending it in the next 2 episodes i think it will take 4 i mean theres still the s2000 from the new intro and the keiuske race plus there was thats dude who was complaining in the restraunt they pointed him out for some reason.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 26, 2005, 12:19:42 am
well since you mentioned... I believe that is the guy that was on the track doggin on FRs... he has AWD Evo... ergo, probably someone to just reitterate Tak's feelings.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: wrestleantares on April 26, 2005, 01:40:16 am
<i>probably someone to just illiterate Tak's feelings.</i>


Now that was funny...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 26, 2005, 01:50:27 am
lol, yeah, wow I feel like an idiot lol... fixed it.  back to sleep I go lol
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: wrestleantares on April 26, 2005, 03:40:12 am
I knew what you meant.  It wasn't a big deal, I read it and just had to laugh.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 26, 2005, 05:58:57 am
Well the new forums do look nice...

I'm interested to see how Tak goes with driving the WRX as well as the AE86, the handling and bare fundimentals behind both cars are worlds apart :/


No matter, don't want it to finish though :(

EDIT: Disaster has struck for me... The HDD that had all my music, and all my Initial D on it has appeared to have died! NOT HAPPY... Samsung drives were cheap, and I paid the price :(
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 26, 2005, 03:42:37 pm
ouch, and that is exactly why I am going to back mine up today or tomorrow lol
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Cov on April 27, 2005, 11:29:45 am
Which is why everything that is important of mine, is backed up on my external hard drive, and on DVD. Oh, and on my brother's PC at home, when i can get at it.  ;D

Seriously though, if you want to re-download the first or 4th series of ID then pop me an email on matt_coverley@hotmail.com, and i am sure wqe can sort something out.....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 27, 2005, 01:14:49 pm
Cheers for the offer, found S1, S2, S3 and Extra stage on a torrent... So leeching them back slowly (Whoever made the torrent made it 1meg chunks, takes forever!)

Also getting back my Initial D music collection... Then backing it all up to one of my servers via ftp (Over lan, of course)

Going to try and recover this HDD as much as possible, as I want my 59gig (10,988 files) of mp3s back!

Not to mention everything else :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 27, 2005, 02:19:48 pm
S1 huh? where did you find this torrent?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 27, 2005, 06:52:00 pm
Boxtorrents, of all places... GIYF :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Drift on April 28, 2005, 12:55:06 am
Not to mention everything else :P

Ah  ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Cov on April 28, 2005, 12:55:33 am
Glad to hear you arent comepletly knackered. I made the foolish mistake of deleting all mine when i got the tokyopop dvds. I immediately had to get back S1 because the dvd were so poor. The rest of the are all right though.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 28, 2005, 04:31:42 am
Yeah... The biggest pain of them all is losing my documents, has all my order stuff in it, resume... A lot of stuff my gf sent me that I was supposed to keep!

Maybe the drive didn't like the fact that I don't use Windows anymore :P Too bad for it, not going back!

From what I can tell of the drive, the heads have siezed on the platters, which means that the drive makes a really nasty thunking sound and physically moves...

I can live in hope that the heads will eventually unstick, or just forget it completely and start all over again :/
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Tofusensei on April 28, 2005, 04:58:02 am
Join the club, I've had four HDs die in the past six months, totallying 400 gigs of lost data :(

-Tofu
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 28, 2005, 09:30:03 am
Ouch, much with the sympathy there!

Already lining up my new HDDs, getting them at cost price through my dad's work...

Just not sure how long it'll take them to get into stock here :(

But I think that 4x 500gig SATA drives should do it, being hotswappable, I can back up and restore easily!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 29, 2005, 03:38:39 am
Hrm, JC, your downloading the BT files of ID stage 1 right? what codec do you use? I got two different versions of eps 1, and they wont play on anything, even vlc
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 29, 2005, 09:36:56 am
I'll let you know if I can play them when I've downloaded them, as I use Linux now... So I don't know if I'll have codec issues or not

As for windows, I found using the klite codec pack, full pack (About 8meg) played just about anything that I needed, do a google on it, should be able to find a free site hosting it (The official site requires registration or something, and I hate the spam that comes with it, their anti spam policies or not!)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Cov on April 29, 2005, 10:04:10 am
Get hold of a program called Gspot. It will tell you if the codecs you have installed will play it or not. The only things it doesnt recongise are quicktime and real, but it's fairly easy to know when you have those kinda files. Tip though, click the render button for much more accurate diagnosis. If it claims to be able to play and doesnt, you have a codec clash.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 29, 2005, 03:42:24 pm
man I tried all that and the codecs from the encoder's site... it still wont work lol...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on April 29, 2005, 03:48:43 pm
coolbluedab> did you try vlc ?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 29, 2005, 05:30:52 pm
yeah, nothing recognizes these files... the only thing I can think of is... that even though the eps are fully downloaded... they won't work until EVERYTHING... is complete, all the other eps and movies.. which sucks because I dont know how to make it dl only one at a time.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on April 29, 2005, 05:45:13 pm
hu o.O
you can't open them with vlc ?
did you verify the crc ? or md5sum  ?
or try do download them from a bot ( check the xdcc list bot on http://xdcc.live-evil.org )
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on April 30, 2005, 05:15:55 am
I read something about verifying, but I cannot understand it
as for the bots lol, you don't serve it anymore...   I guess I will keep trying.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on April 30, 2005, 08:35:24 am
i'm serving all the ID 4th stage  files . ( have a look to  L-E|Parmenion ... )
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on April 30, 2005, 02:16:03 pm
Well... All the files I've tried so far, work absolutely fine (LE, can you please do fansubs of S1, 2 and 3? The quality of these is crap! :P)

Going to download Stage 4 tomorrow :D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on April 30, 2005, 08:31:59 pm
I wish they could go back and do the 1st-3rd stages too.  But sadly Tokyopop and their crappy versions are licensed product... So Live-Evil (and pretty much any other fansubbers) won't touch it.  Could you imagine though?  High quality raws and L-E's brilliant subs...  It would be something beautiful to behold....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on May 01, 2005, 04:50:15 am
Well, the fansubs I have now appear to be DVD encodes with different subtitles, simply put. The original ones I had were fansubs off video tape, so not really all that good :/ But as far as I can tell, they might still be using the AC3 audio in the encoding, as it appears to have 5.1 surround sound... Or it could just be my settings on audio, but I highly doubt it as it sounded far too realistic to be emulated (The timing was too good to be a software/hardware emulation).

So far I've had no codec issues with anything I have, which is brilliant... Bar the slight trouble I've had with WMV, which doesn't really bother me, I just re-encode the media to an avi based type, much nicer :)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on May 01, 2005, 05:05:14 am
lol well I checked my files, and apperantly all 26 are bad... I had to get that stupid single BT link for stage 1 stage 2 and two movies... arg.. Ive uploaded 27 gigs in the last 3 days lol, and downloaded only 6... in any case, it appears that my BT link is linked to crap lol... I dont supposed you could drop me a line with the links you used could you?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on May 01, 2005, 10:07:21 am
URL DELETED by Tofusensei

Please don't post links to licensed anime here. ;)
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Post by: CooBlueDAB on May 01, 2005, 05:01:00 pm
lol its the same one I used... I guess I can try once more, and maybe I will not get all corrupt eps... they played, then got all bad, then played, and bad... its like someone seeding a lot had nothing but bad and was put together that way
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Dapprman on May 02, 2005, 03:00:17 pm
i cant see them ending it in the next 2 episodes i think it will take 4 i mean theres still the s2000 from the new intro and the keiuske race plus there was thats dude who was complaining in the restraunt they pointed him out for some reason.
Wonder if they're trying to catch up with the manga.  While out in Japan a few weeks back I picked up the latest issue (30) and that contains the end of what appears to be a race with a S2000 - can't read hiragana (or kanji or katakana for that matter) so I can't tell what was going on.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on May 03, 2005, 10:30:08 am
That would sound like a reason to keep it going... And I hope they do!

It's the only anime, bar Transformers, that I watch... And the best bit is, my brother doesn't try to watch it with me because he can't read yet :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on May 10, 2005, 02:08:12 am
long time no post
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on May 10, 2005, 09:55:57 am
Tucker did it!

Gah, been working so much lately, but getting the monies big time... Can pay off my credit card and move out!

Up next, car rego :(

Why does Japan have to make us wait for more Initial D? (I managed to get my collection back up to scratch, and I now have a moderately usefull paper weight)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on May 12, 2005, 02:39:35 am
good now, that all the noobs r gone. Now we can have chats, without being flamedm,pestered, or downright embarrased.
so anyway, tried that water in a cup thing like Takumi. lets just say its impossible, plain and simple. And no I aint a crappy driver, even my dad tried it, and he couldnt do it.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Corduroy Squirrel on May 12, 2005, 04:48:43 am
You should try a slurpee, I find it much more successful.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on May 12, 2005, 04:55:34 am
lol yeah that surface tension thing is in there for fun and giggles. water is too thin for that. youd have to use like corn syrup or something and on top of that be a top of the line best of the best driver most likely and it still probably wouldnt work... and yes slurpees rock my socks!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on May 12, 2005, 06:01:43 am
We tried the water thing in an AW11, and it didn't work so well... But looking at it and thinking about it... It's possible but only in very extreme cases, such is the way it works :-\\

My car's currently at the shop getting 17" rims fitted... So hopefully get some pics up once it's done, then I can start ripping apart a spare engine I got for free, and start rebuilding it... If anyone here is interested I'll put up a website about it?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Corduroy Squirrel on May 12, 2005, 02:15:40 pm
<--- LE Forum noob.  What type of car are you fixing up?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on May 12, 2005, 03:46:41 pm
Australian made Holden Commodore VL. They come standard with an RB30E, which is a Nissan made engine (3L inline 6, SOHC)

Plan is to build up a RB30DE, combining the bottom end of the RB30E, with the head of an RB26DETT out of an R32 GTR, with RB25DE pistons. With a good exhaust, manual gearbox, LSD and the right diff ratio... It's a projected, hefty 180 - 190 RWKW (240 - 255RWHP)

Then after that, saving up a lot of cash for a nice whipple blower twin screw supercharger, yet another exhaust change, few other bits and pieces here and there.

That kinda sums it up, there's more, but I'm too tipsey to remember :P
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on May 12, 2005, 10:40:16 pm
Cool project JC. I just bought another project car. A 1971 Datsun 240Z, bright red with only 64000miles on it, and a mint exterior/interior. My plan is iether to put a sr20de or sr20det on it, make it into a another drift car. I wish I lived near Z fever in cali, cause I know they would be able to put an RB26Dett into that. Always been my dream, to put a RB engine into the likes of 240z, 240sx, 300zx, etc.
anyway, good luck with ur project.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on May 13, 2005, 03:03:11 am
Cheers... And my advice would be start on a smaller block, say the SR20DET, as with the right sized turbo, it'll fly, considering the weight of the car it's going in.

VL's are only 1.2Ton, which is the same weight as the newer S15 Silvia/200SX, they're bloody light for a 18 year old car ;) So with about 400 or so hp at the wheels... You're flying
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on May 13, 2005, 09:33:26 pm
nah, 400 at the wheels is to much. Maybe 300 or 365 if Iam feeling stupid. Going any higher and chasis will start to act up. Thats why I thought of spending the extra cash on tearing the car apart and reinforcing the chasis and spot welding it all over. When Iam done that, then yeah it will be able to handle 400, but still not better than any new car. My goal right now is to make it kill the Porche Boxter in every category. Why boxter, cause Iam sick of girlfriend making fun of me how I have slow car.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on May 14, 2005, 06:45:19 am
Hrmm... Boxter... opposing 6...

Good luck there :P Those things are well balanced, so if you wanted to get close, need a lower centre of gravity to compair handling, and I don't think a rotary would fit in a 240Z, as that would be another engine that'd get you closer to the handling aspect. Brakes, disks all round... No questions there, and if you wanted to be sure they work properly, at least a 2spot caliper setup. But, yeah... Reinforce the body a bit more, then you can handle the torque...

So your gf has a boxter? In my opinion, that's a weak way of getting a "Faster car"... There's no fun in them, they're more expensive to modify, and... Yuck, as far as I'm concerned... Shows that they have too much money!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on May 16, 2005, 10:22:55 pm
what do u mean their no fun, its a blast to drive, just not enough horses me think.
BTW, she keeps it stock, and so what if it shows shes got money, Her dad worked his ass off, I think they deserve it.
Anyway, I Havent decided if I should take up this project yet, maybe I should just get a scooby STI and supe that up, since I know that car handels excellent. I dont know yet, I have a lot of thinking to do. I just wish the Lotus Elise was available here in Canada.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Corduroy Squirrel on May 17, 2005, 05:20:37 pm
I say you save and get the 2006 Miata when it comes out.  You can boost that little sucker and I don't think it looks as girly as the current Miata's.  It sorta looks like a Z4.  Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on May 17, 2005, 10:39:44 pm
this is the typical stereotype of the miata. I love the miata, heck I never once thought it was chick car, especially after watching Drift Bible and other BMI. And I love the new Mazdaspeed MX-5 (Its real name). Though I would buy that car, I still need room for my golf clubs and other stuff, Miata is just toooo small. I havent made a decision though, I just looked at the new M45 sport, why that car, cause it comes with ATTESSA, the same as the skyline gtr. So now it iether M45 or STI.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on May 18, 2005, 01:00:47 pm
My personal preference would be the STi... Always liked them, always will!

They're the car that inspired a hairbrained idea I had to convert my car (Or, better yet, a project VL), to have IRS and AWD :D *For the record, my gf thinks I'm crazy, but is willing to help me do the work... Love her heaps!*

STi munches most things on the road, so there's no problem there... But I guess it comes down to your preference and budget. Since I'm kinda broke *Yet again - I bought some mags for my car*, I wouldn't be buying a car, no matter for project or otherwise.

But, you sound like you have the cash, it's just what to spend it on!

BTW, what side of the road do you drive on Hellbent?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DARCnarc on May 18, 2005, 01:53:40 pm
hey does anyone know where i can get ahold of the manga (online and free) for initial d, i tried searchin but couldnt get anywhere. Thx

Oh and btw, what do you guys reckon it is that Takumi has to 'do', its been plagueing me since i saw the episode, modify the car or his technique etc
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on May 18, 2005, 05:05:18 pm
If I had to hazard a guess I would say Takumi has to stop racing the 86, he's outgrown it.  But I havent read the manga so I have no idea really.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on May 19, 2005, 03:05:36 am
Well from what I gathered from the episode, he was trying to emulate the stability of the STi with the 86... And as most people know on here, that's damn near impossible due to the differences between AWD and RWD

I'd be thinking that he'll be changing cars, well... That's what I'd be doing... But to what, I don't know (Since Bunta was saying that the STi is his car, and he wouldn't let Tak race in it)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on May 19, 2005, 04:29:11 am
I havent re-watched it, but i thought he said something like "It's his car, but Takumi could borrow it occasionally."  Besides the whole point of the last 6-7 years of Takumi's "training" has been to make him a better racer, I dont think his dad would hold him back now.  Could you imagine what he could do with awd? It would be freaky to say the least.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on May 19, 2005, 04:30:04 am
as far as I know, he hasnt changed cars yet in the manga. Remember the manga is far ahead.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on May 19, 2005, 05:28:20 am
If im not mistaken in the episode Bunta says that he thinks Tak is about to give up on the 86 though thats not what hes aiming for.So I think Bunta wants him to do something with his technique. And Im sure they will have him figure it out and keep the 86...could you see him racing in something else for the rest of the time? It would be so odd i mean the Impreza he looks great in but i cant see him driving it or something similar for the rest of the time. I dont know, what other cars can you see Takumi in for the rest of time?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on May 19, 2005, 11:40:26 am
I don't know if Tak would be right to change cars right now... But, hey... I don't know.

If it was me, I'd be sticking with the 86 untill there was no possible way I could continue without changing cars, regardless... If I keep winning with the car, keep going untill it gets to the point where I have to change cars
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on May 22, 2005, 01:05:44 am
agreed, I think he will just realize, that there is no way to beat your best efforts in a outdated and outmatched car, with a new and superior vehicle.  after all, if the driver is trying his best in two different cars, the better car will win.  I think that is all that will happen, knowning this, he may change his technique slightly, in different situations, but it seems he already knows the best way for his car.   Perhaps he will just learn how to deal with new challenges more, or perhaps he will race once vs that dude that was making fun of FR cars in the 86 and STI.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mad_Ijet on May 22, 2005, 01:27:26 pm
but i'm thinking that bunta want takumi seek the 4WD weakness while he was driving that subaru, so takumi can learn how to overtake the 4WD driver easily with his 86. perhaps bunta wants takumi mastered 4WD and FR drivetrain. that's what i'm guessing. but the answer is we must wait the next episode
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on May 23, 2005, 09:55:39 am
Possibly my getting more technical knowledge you could understand the weaknesses between all the types of drivetrains

Note: This website is not my own, not absolute, but the guy still knows his stuff :)

Enjoy

http://www.toymods.org.au/fwd_rwd_awd.html
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on May 24, 2005, 07:04:09 pm
Good find mate.  I read it all the way through and enjoyed the comparisons, the man seems to know his stuff.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Cov on May 25, 2005, 03:45:15 pm
Certainly quite interesting, although I feel his conclusions were a bit black and white. But i guess they could be regarded as true if you had otherwise equal cars.....

With regard to the anime though, I am not sure, but qould guess that since it is possible to drive 4WD cars very quickly with a similar style (inertia-drift-led) to Takumi's, that Bunta is trying to point this out, and let Takumi know that the 86 isnt actually the best car in the world. The greater traction and grip, combined with a natural tendency toward a speedier drift line that 4WD gives would be a boon to Takumi, once he masters it.

I dont think that it being Bunta's car will make a difference, the 86 was his originally, and it didnt stop him lending it out. Then again, the Scooby will be qorth a bit more....
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sun_Tze on May 30, 2005, 02:20:05 am
Small game... guess the car:

(http://img239.echo.cx/img239/3414/gdj0ym.jpg)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on May 30, 2005, 10:03:34 am
Mazda Capella?

One of them had a rotary engine?

Just a guess
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on May 30, 2005, 05:32:36 pm
Its on the tip of my tongue
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on May 31, 2005, 07:52:09 am
Yea I think it's a Mazda Capella too, heavily modded of course!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Corduroy Squirrel on May 31, 2005, 03:38:56 pm
Well if a Capella is the same thing as a Mazda RX2, then it's a Capella.  Can't be JDM, steering wheel is on the wrong side.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on June 01, 2005, 12:21:00 am
man i havent posted in a while..been busy moving...seems i didnt miss much
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Mad_Ijet on June 09, 2005, 09:25:08 pm
I just wanna ask, where I can download the Initial D manga? the fullset from chapter 1 and goes on.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DARCnarc on June 10, 2005, 05:14:07 am
Here guys, thought i'd give you all a prezzie

http://www.fastlane.nu/Downloads/

you would have seen a few already but they all just great.
Gotta love that bmw drift
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: hellbent on June 12, 2005, 05:13:42 am
do any of u watch Top Gear, some of those clips r from that. That has to be the best Car show in the world.
Looks like the new season is going to be amazing to, especially when they get to doing the rock in a van
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sun_Tze on June 12, 2005, 09:24:42 pm
Ok, those who said Mazda Capella were half right.

Around here it's named RX-2

And now, for another guess the car game:
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0235035301/drag/imagem(151).jpg
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: gumbaloom on June 12, 2005, 09:36:02 pm
And heres one from me :D

http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD_web/servlet/media?id=182946020

I want the year and the make/model ;)

Regards

gumbaloom
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: gumbaloom on June 12, 2005, 09:48:18 pm
http://cahdomain.co.uk/random/whatcaristhis.jpg

Can anyone guess this one ?

Year and model please on a postcard

Regards


gumbaloom
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on June 13, 2005, 03:07:00 am
Datsun Honeybee?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on June 13, 2005, 03:12:57 am
And I have watched Top Gear for like 4 or 5 years now, it is by far the best car show in the world, if any of you are interested here is a link to the past two years worth of episodes. They have a great mix of humor, fun challenges, fast cars and useful information.

http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=uk+top+gear

If you are a Top Gear virgin the best episode ever (imho) is 12.19.2004.  Worth checking out even if you arent a car fan (my g/f even likes it  ;))



Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on June 13, 2005, 06:08:16 am
Although OB Planning website has had it for a while now, the official initial d website has been updated to show the release dates for ep 15 and 16

(http://avexmode.jp/animation/initial/images/chan.gif)
http://avexmode.jp/animation/initial/initial.html
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: OfTheSin on June 13, 2005, 10:29:10 pm
I've been an avid fan of Top Gear for quite some time.  Every episode provides with lots of entertainment aswell as beautiful things to stare at.  Each allows for dreams of what one can achieve.

If you have never seen any of the episodes, I strongly recommend you go watch at least one.
Visit:  www.finalgear.com

for more info.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: EcAStiC on June 14, 2005, 06:39:08 am
umm any of u guys know when does this series end...or has it finished?
coz i burned onto my dvd already...

how many episodes total for 4th stage?

and where to find 2nd and 3rd stages...?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on June 14, 2005, 03:13:34 pm
umm any of u guys know when does this series end...or has it finished?
coz i burned onto my dvd already...

how many episodes total for 4th stage?

and where to find 2nd and 3rd stages...?

Even though this ground has been covered numerous times, I will go through it again for you.  The 4th stage was initially supposed to end after 14 episodes, however the season has been extended (so far) to 16 episodes.  The last episodes are airing in just a few days.  As for 2nd and 3rd stage, these are licensed anime, now judging by your poor grammar and use of "netspeak" I'm guessing you don't know what that means.  That means that a company (in the USA) owns the copyright to the anime, therefore it is illegal for an American to possess unlawful copies (such as a fansub) of the anime.  As for finding illegal copies I suggest you try some of the torrent sites on the net, or IRC.  But don't come crying when the MPAA files a lawsuit against you.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: EcAStiC on June 15, 2005, 11:24:45 am
lol...
i am noob, but i know wat licensing is...
its rather hard to read through through 95 pages of post, and find if someone posted it b4...
so ty~~~

i live in aus, copyright laws differ, and i dun believe they are licensed here.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: cantdrivefornuts on June 15, 2005, 12:15:40 pm
anyone noes any website where i can download the latest best motoring videos?? ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: gumbaloom on June 16, 2005, 01:01:17 am
Just a reminder for all..Initial D Eps 15 and 16 air this Saturday on Japanese pay per view television.

1) Don't come asking us for raws please, I'm pretty sure that raw torrents will turn up on www.tokyotosho.com within 2 - 3 days of the show airing.

2) You don't need to send us the raws, we'll be able to source them ourselves but thank you for your consideration.

3) At the minute Episode 16 is the LAST episode UNLESS OB planning say otherwise (the link to the OB planning website is on my post on the live-evil home page dated 4th June (use the June archive link on the bottom left hand side of the web page)). If you want to keep up with the latest ID4 gossip I suggest that you visit www.idforums.net for the latest news as they will know more than us rather than coming to the IRC channel and asking us. Any information we know is obtained by one of 2 ways 1) looking at the official OB planning website / AVEX mode site 2) looking at fan forums.

4) May I remind everyone that it will take AT LEAST a week and possibly longer to sub these episodes so can we try to avoid people visiting the IRC channel asking us if we've subbed it yet when the eps only aired 24 hours previously (yes we've had people who think we can sub Initial D eps in 24 hours -.-).

Thank you for your consideration

Regards


gumbaloom
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Cov on June 16, 2005, 04:40:34 am
Ok guys, I feel I need to make a point here. Not that I particularly mind the car talk on here, but mainly to the guys posting the "guess the car" games...

This forum is mostly 56k friendly. So please post a warning (and preferably warning in thread title) about this. It took a few seconds to load on my broadband, so god knows what the modem people are having to wait for. Credit to the guy who pasted a URL to his pic.

Secondly, is this really the place for it? This is a forum for people who like anime, not to discuss cars. I do appreciate cars are a large part of ID, and I dont mind too much, but this thread has basically 90 odd pages of car talk now, which makes it hard to find information that is important. There are many car forums out there, many of which play the "guess that car" game regularly. I am pleased however, that despit ID being as popular as it is, that this hasn't resulted in a plethora of threads on the forums, which would inconvienience other members.

Sorry to rant so, but this thread has gone way off topic many times. Let's try to keep the discussion at least loosely relavent to the show.

Also, FAO L-E guys. You do very good work, I have taken the liberty of posting a link to you guys on my university's Anime Society Forum. All in the spirit of furthering your cause...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on June 16, 2005, 05:55:19 am
I've tried to get this mess separated into two separate "initial d" and "misc. car talk" topics for a while now, but the posters don't seem to want to and L-E staff doesn't care. Good luck. I know I sure like wading through 95 pages of junk to read one or two posts about the series itself... -_-
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on June 16, 2005, 09:55:22 am
lol...
i am noob, but i know wat licensing is...
its rather hard to read through through 95 pages of post, and find if someone posted it b4...
so ty~~~

i live in aus, copyright laws differ, and i dun believe they are licensed here.

I live in Australia too... And the copyright laws don't differ here as of the moment the free trade agreement came into effect with America. Their copyright laws apply here, just so you know :)

BUT, that does not mean the MPAA and RIAA and all those other CLOWNS (Haha!) can instantly get on your case about something, it has to first be okayed by the Australia legal chain of command (ASIO -> Federal Police -> State Police). This of course does NOT apply if you crack into a US BASED server and STEAL the information (There have been people stupid enough to do it), they just get a warrent via ASIO/Supreme court... And you're history :)

This is why I run Linux :D

Anyway, on other things, actually related to Initial D, I've noticed lately that the curve of the anime story seems to be becoming more technical, as they go more in depth into the cars and how they operate and so on, for example the explanation of the difference between turbocharged and supercharged, stuff like that. Just makes me wonder what else they have in store for any continuation of the story, and if there will be any unique or interesting cars that come into the show/manga... Anyone else think so?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on June 16, 2005, 03:55:48 pm
lol...
i am noob, but i know wat licensing is...
you can eventually try the search function.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on June 16, 2005, 03:57:51 pm
Ok guys, I feel I need to make a point here. Not that I particularly mind the car talk on here, but mainly to the guys posting the "guess the car" games...

This forum is mostly 56k friendly. So please post a warning (and preferably warning in thread title) about this. It took a few seconds to load on my broadband, so god knows what the modem people are having to wait for. Credit to the guy who pasted a URL to his pic.

Secondly, is this really the place for it? This is a forum for people who like anime, not to discuss cars. I do appreciate cars are a large part of ID, and I dont mind too much, but this thread has basically 90 odd pages of car talk now, which makes it hard to find information that is important. There are many car forums out there, many of which play the "guess that car" game regularly. I am pleased however, that despit ID being as popular as it is, that this hasn't resulted in a plethora of threads on the forums, which would inconvienience other members.

Sorry to rant so, but this thread has gone way off topic many times. Let's try to keep the discussion at least loosely relavent to the show.

Also, FAO L-E guys. You do very good work, I have taken the liberty of posting a link to you guys on my university's Anime Society Forum. All in the spirit of furthering your cause...
hum , i wasn't following this thread ( the fact is that i don't like ID so ... )
but i can try now to keep *this* thread clear , you can always of course create another topic regarding cars & others things.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: EcAStiC on June 16, 2005, 05:15:25 pm
you can eventually try the search function.

i thought of that... then i couldnt think of keywords...
im pretty lazy XD

think im pretty hated here >"<
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on June 16, 2005, 08:53:52 pm
No not hated, just a lot of people get sick of "where can i download initial d" questions.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on June 16, 2005, 09:53:06 pm
eastic > i move your post to http://forum.live-evil.org/index.php/topic,690.0.html
(let's try to have a 'clean' thread :D )
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Supra_Saiyan on June 18, 2005, 04:07:25 am
who wants official OB Planning teaser?

http://obkikaku.com/initial/img/15-16s03.mov

(http://obkikaku.com/initial/img/yokoku/D15_297.jpg)(http://obkikaku.com/initial/img/yokoku/D16_126.jpg)(http://obkikaku.com/initial/img/yokoku/D15_259.jpg)
(http://obkikaku.com/initial/img/yokoku/D16_24%7E1.jpg)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: sbrubles on June 19, 2005, 07:26:48 pm
Episodes 17/18, here we go...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Psionic on June 19, 2005, 08:35:42 pm
yyyyyyyyyyyeah... Very clearly NOT the last episode.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: death292 on June 20, 2005, 05:03:27 pm
so 5th stage here we come/..? or they still making eps for  4th stage..?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on June 20, 2005, 05:04:54 pm
i guess no one really no the answer.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Shenanigans on June 21, 2005, 10:04:54 am
have not watched the raw episodes yet, but i know fifth and sixth stages have been greenlighted.  as far as everyone knows episode 16 is supposed to be the end of fourth stage though.

--
shen
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Usagi_Yojimbo on June 22, 2005, 01:20:28 am
Yeah most definitely not the end. I'm all anxious for the subs, L-E rules
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: mikala on June 22, 2005, 04:43:45 am
someone said it was licensed :o
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on June 22, 2005, 06:06:55 am
That's unfair... Licencing it now would be torture!

Unless they only licence 4th stage and it finishes now... Then it'll be okay, right?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: smh1010 on June 22, 2005, 01:12:49 pm
Hey guys,

I'd just finished watching ep 15 & 16,it's not finish yet.EP 16 ends when Takumi start to race with t 2nd EVO 6.Hope ppl won't buy the dvd version 1st,there maybe some changes later.

If u can understand,try the link here (http://bt.greedland.net/download.php?btId=193361) to dl & watch.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on June 23, 2005, 05:11:04 am
Just a kinda different idea here about this all... Mate of mine is Japanese and he is quite an avid fan of the Initial D stuff (Trust me, if there's something Initial D, he's probably got it, somewhere), and he made the observation that nowhere in the entire series is there any mention of police, but from his experiences of Japan as a child, if there was any hint of street racing, the police were all over it fairly quickly. Wonder why this was omitted? Probably would have made it too Fast and the Furious like (Very bad thing!)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Brokenimage0 on June 23, 2005, 07:38:52 am
yeah i have always wondered why there were no cops.and i couldnt think of a rational answer either.but in the end i say who cares...we came to watch cool stuff not people get chased by cops.the charactors arent supossed to be criminally running from cops!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: ppt on June 23, 2005, 07:57:29 am

4) May I remind everyone that it will take AT LEAST a week and possibly longer to sub these episodes so can we try to avoid people visiting the IRC channel asking us if we've subbed it yet when the eps only aired 24 hours previously (yes we've had people who think we can sub Initial D eps in 24 hours -.-).

hehe, probably bcos speed subs like dattebayo do it in 24h some ppl expect all fansubs to do the same. these ppl dun realise subbing takes time & effort good subbing takes >24h
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Renmazuo on June 23, 2005, 09:21:53 pm
Hey, does anybody know when the next Initial D Soundtrack is coming out? They already have about 15 tracks for these next few episodes.

By the way, there are two episodes where a Eurobeat song was included, but I'm not sure where it was played.

Tokyo Lights / Ace
Get the Future / Maiko

When were these played?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on June 24, 2005, 02:17:48 am
I want to say that the police do not show up because perhaps at night the race teams "take over" the mountain trail and make an event for everyone with it, now in the beginning it was not like that, and there were civilians, hence use of corner mirrors and watchdogs... but these things seem to take place out in the boonies, so its probably a local attraction around there.  I mean, I see those towns as mountain towns, not big cities.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: medowance on June 26, 2005, 09:04:00 am
saw the live version of initial d in cinema.......
story line is out of the original but still ok.
at least the AE86 is totally the same      :D
any idea whre i can get the raw version of this movie??
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: sil-eighty on June 27, 2005, 05:40:48 am
There are more episodes 15 and 16 is Live evil going to fan sub these as well
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on June 27, 2005, 08:14:28 am
There are more episodes 15 and 16 is Live evil going to fan sub these as well

Yes... They are working on it now, give them a few weeks to get the release out please.  Subbing anime ain't like dusting crops kid.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: e30ernest on June 27, 2005, 08:11:34 pm
saw the live version of initial d in cinema.......
story line is out of the original but still ok.
at least the AE86 is totally the same      :D
any idea whre i can get the raw version of this movie??

I think there is one at torrentspy.com.  I don't know if it's a good version though.  How does the movie compare to the animated series?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: OfTheSin on June 27, 2005, 09:29:36 pm
I Haven't seen it yet, i'm currently in the process of downloading it.  I have heard that it doesnt follow the storyline very well, as they have done things like change Ryosuke's FD into an R32 GTR.  However, they still maintain a few beautiful things key to the storyline.  However, as far as i am aware there is NO i repeat NO english subs of this around only a Cantonese/Chinense version has been released.  The version that is on BT is a cam to my knowledge, so dont expect dvd quality. 

I think it is going to be an alright movie.  If you go into it expecting that it follows the storyline exactly, then I think you will be disappointed.  However if you go to watch it as what it is...a movie, then it should have some decent aspects to it.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: 3sgte on June 28, 2005, 12:35:43 am
Yes... They are working on it now, give them a few weeks to get the release out please.  Subbing anime ain't like dusting crops kid.

Yes!
I find it ironic that those who ask when the new episodes will be released always have terrible spelling and grammar.

We are lucky that L/E has such high standards.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: durrem on June 28, 2005, 09:52:21 pm
Hmm, I was wondering.  If and when you sub the live action movie, would you do the original Cantonese version or would you sub the Japanese dub?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: phaith on June 28, 2005, 10:59:13 pm
Is Live-evil definitely going to continue subbing initial d? because for some reason.... on anidb.info.com, the project is listed as stalled. wondering what that is supposed to mean?
btw. I've seen the movie (which is quite good despite the discrepencies in the plot) in the cinema and there are english as well as japanese subs...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sun_Tze on June 28, 2005, 11:37:57 pm
Is Live-evil definitely going to continue subbing initial d? because for some reason.... on anidb.info.com, the project is listed as stalled. wondering what that is supposed to mean?
btw. I've seen the movie (which is quite good despite the discrepencies in the plot) in the cinema and there are english as well as japanese subs...


ID4 15/16 release delayed by TEN days because of ID tards asking when it will be out  ;)

Nevermind the stalled status. It's ussual to see.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: spazzz on June 29, 2005, 12:12:51 am
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Please say your kidding.  I've been waiting so paitently for this.  I accidently downloaded RAW's and now the suppense is killing me.  And I never asked for a date!  I know better.
[Planet of the apes]
DARN YOU NEWBS!!!!! DARN YOU ALL TO YOU KNOW WHERE!!!!!!!!
[/Planet of the apes]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on June 29, 2005, 12:37:02 am
Jesus Fucking Christ people, give them a break.  Subbers have lives you know, and they do this for free.  So they will get it out when they get it out, just check the front page, if its not there sit down and shut the fuck up until it appears.  To answer why the series is considered stalled, its because the episodes come out every two months (that was answered earlier in this thread, and yes I am aware its 97 pages of material).
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: BNR34GTR on June 29, 2005, 02:37:23 am
Jesus Fucking Christ people, give them a break.  Subbers have lives you know, and they do this for free.  So they will get it out when they get it out, just check the front page, if its not there sit down and shut the fuck up until it appears.  To answer why the series is considered stalled, its because the episodes come out every two months (that was answered earlier in this thread, and yes I am aware its 97 pages of material).

I understand that, I would want to do things other then sub for people who just want it and want it now. But what if money was offered? Would it be possible to bribe the staff of L-E? Not meaning this as a joke, but a serious question...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on June 29, 2005, 02:50:09 am
Once money gets involved its a copy-right issue, regardless of national origin of material.  The anime companies in japan usually turn a blind eye to subbers because it does all the market testing for them, and they arent losing potential revenue (yet).  By seeing what is heavily downloaded the anime companies get an informal poll of what series should be brought to the states (and the rest of the world).  If money gets involved i think the anime companies would not want to be losing money and would come down on L-E with any kind of "hammer" they could get their hands on.  If you think that they cant touch you because you live in a different country, you're wrong.  The USA does it all the time (cue all jokes about U.S. overstepping international authority here).
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Sun_Tze on June 29, 2005, 03:47:29 am
I understand that, I would want to do things other then sub for people who just want it and want it now. But what if money was offered? Would it be possible to bribe the staff of L-E? Not meaning this as a joke, but a serious question...

We will only sub if you pay each member of L-E and IDE the equivalent of Bill Gates fortune  ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: crypticgimp on June 29, 2005, 03:57:07 am
i hate to be cliche but

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tlynnec on June 29, 2005, 03:57:33 am
[18:48] <Sun_Tze> just posting the delay warning on the forum made at least 5 or 6 IDtards cry
[18:48] <tlynnec> hahahahahaha
[18:49] <tlynnec> suffering IDtards ^_^
[18:49] <crypticgimp> god they need to get over it already and get brains
[18:49] <crypticgimp> i'm sure some mad scientist has a few extra brains to pass out
[18:49] <Mamo-chan> i hate ID tards -_-
[18:49] <Mamo-chan> delay 15 on purpose
[18:49] <crypticgimp> more then narutards?
[18:50] <Sun_Tze> Mamo-chan: there's already a 10 day delay
[18:50] * tlynnec contemplates posting this part of the conversation on the ID forum ^_~
[18:50] <Mamo-chan> :O
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on June 29, 2005, 04:00:52 am
Well I guess it would be deserved... But I am reminded of an old quote about one bad apple.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tlynnec on June 29, 2005, 04:38:08 am
one bad apple.... attracts a lot of worms?
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: chichin0 on June 29, 2005, 04:43:59 am
I was thinking more along the lines of "ruins the whole bunch."
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: OfTheSin on June 29, 2005, 05:56:12 am
Mind if I can get someone who knows Japanese to help me a little bit?  Looking for lyrics to something.  Would much appreciate the help.
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Yoten on June 29, 2005, 07:51:26 am
*chatlogs*
Za-Za-ZING!
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: DrDubbleB on June 29, 2005, 09:54:47 am
I was thinking more along the lines of "ruins the whole bunch."

While this is true can you really blame them?  Every two months LE does an excellent job subbing ID, and every two months the day the new episodes come out people jump all over them asking when they will release the episodes.  If I were in their position I would do the same thing.  It pisses me off to no end when people ask for things that they know I'm going to deliver, but are too damned impatient to wait.

I'm a very impatient person, but this is my favorite show and it's worth the wait.  Sometimes I wish all threads that were related to ID would be closed; nothing constructive ever takes place in them and this is not a damned car forum.  While I respect that you all love cars - I do too - and the anime is also about cars that line of conversation is off-topic and quite frankly annoying when trying to find out the latest information about the series.
[/rant]
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on June 29, 2005, 10:35:46 am
We will only sub if you pay each member of L-E and IDE the equivalent of Bill Gates fortune  ;D

Y'know... On paper, he's rich, in reality, he's only got a few million :P All his "net worth" (har har har) is in his shares... Remove the shares... And he's kinda gone ;)

Anyway, I don't blame L-E for putting it back, I hate being pressured at work over anything really... Rushed jobs don't mean it's a good job! (For the record, I'm a flooring contractor, mostly doing work in hospitals [Intensive care is a good one] and we can't rush the job, or it does literally risk lives)
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: Morphic8 on June 30, 2005, 05:29:11 am
Yes, rush jobs aren't that great.  And usually, when people want it now, you're immediate answer is no.  But you have to also look at it at OUR perspective.  Things get done, other teams (not necessarily speed subbers) get things done in a fair amount of time.  I was really shocked at the fact that eps 12 and 13 took over a month to sub, but yet 13 and 14 were done in less than a week.  Now i don't normally watch these forums, or anime forums in general, because i find them immature. And yes, people that ask for the sub the second the RAW is out, are annoying..but those people are always going to exist, you can't do anything about that.  And I know and appreciate that you guys are doing this in your spare time, believe me, if i could do it myself, i would try.  All i'm saying, is whiny prepubesant teenagers are always going to exist.  But if you have fans, people that like your product (which IS always top notch)  then why not try to please them. 
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: CooBlueDAB on June 30, 2005, 06:40:16 am
(Morphic8 this isn't exactly directed at you, but I have heard entirely too much on this topic... and this had to be said)

Answer, because it is not their job to "please" us.  However I feel it is our job to show thanks and please them.  These people are truely incredible. 

Think about it.  Huge companies and corporations create subtitles for this stuff all the time, and they take months, in some cases, years to complete a job.  Most of the time it is not as good as these few outstanding individuals. 

I mean, I guess they don't do much in reality... They only get the raws,  use their own networks and equipment, use their obviously large knowledgebase, take tedious time to create a flawless quality, perfectly timed product...  Oh, and that something that is mentioned a lot, but not nearly enough... they do it for free, when in reality it has probably cost those individuals several thousand dollars, and hundreds of hours of work time, just to start and do it once... 

Do they have a choice in that? Yup, they sure do.  They could....
A: Continue as they are.
B: Stop all together.
C: Start their own buisness and make money doing this... (for the person/people saying they couldn't do that.  The underground around here is pretty large, and having a fanbase to buy off you loyally from the beginning is essencially the most important part.  Licenses cost too much? They simply would need to go to an established company with their crew, and set up as an internal office for a cut... then go from there.)

To the other comments made about it taking longer, sometimes it does, but they postponed it because of whiners. 

Anyways... back to the whole "pleasing" thing.  I don't care how long it takes, they spend a lot of money, and take a lot of their (probably very limited) free time to give us a product that is top notch, for no fee whatsoever.  To me, that is more than pleasing their fanbase...  So before anyone else says LE needs to please or try to do things quicker not minding the people that annoy them all while using their bandwidth.   Try to keep in mind exactly what they are doing, and realize, that if that isn't enough to please you, you probably don't deserve being given their gifts in the first place.

I've said it before, and this post has said it again...  But... Thank you LE, for ALL, not just this single series that you have given us.  If there is an award for doing this sorta thing, you certainly deserve it.  Give yourself a pat on the back!  ;D
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: gumbaloom on June 30, 2005, 07:49:38 am
Perhaps slightly OT here.

However perhaps some insight in to what motivates *me* as a fansubber.

I will admit its nice to see high torrent stats on something that I've worked on, everyone gets the gratification of seeing that people are downloading on what they've worked on.

However my main project is Sailor Moon Musicals. I hope that Live-eviL will soon be releasing the 2004 Summer Special Musical - Shin Kaguya Shima Densetsu which is 2.25 hours long.

I've been working on that thing for EIGHT months now. Now I wouldn't have taken that project on if I was in this business just for getting gratification from leechers. I do it because -
1) I'm a fan of the musicals and hence had good raw source to work with XD
2) I'm a karaoke timing whore (you gotta be with 22 songs to karaoke XD)
3) I wanted to test my skills and improve them
(Yes I admit that I am not the perfect typesetter and encoder yet but I'm still learning from great people and I've had help from people who know what they're doing)

However most importantly

4) Because I'm a fan of the musicals and I just wanted to understand what was being said and to be able to share that understanding with a few people.

That has been my driving force and self motivation is I just wanted to know what they were saying !!!.

When it gets released it might only get 2,000 downloads but those 2,000 people will be able to like me enjoy being able to watch the musical and understand every single world and will appreciate the long struggle and all the work that has gone in to getting the thing subbed.

Now I know that probably 98% of the people reading this thread will think "OMG Sailor Moon and in a musical now that <sucks / is gay / is stupid" However I hope that at least some of you might try it out when its released. You never know you might actually have fun  ;)

</End Off topic rant>

Regards



gumbaloom
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: tesdall on June 30, 2005, 08:58:20 am
I have read over the very intense Post ahead of this..and i have had one question ... and one question only...when will the subs be released usually they try to do it on the same day each month or whatever, just so i have something to look foward to..and btw i leave the bt open for as long as i can just so they don't have to waste to much of there BW.

I don't want this to be rude or whatever someone may take this as, i would just like to have an idea of the releases.. please be kind to this post as it was not noobish/sarcastic/hatefull to any other posts. and i do know this that even though there may be a set date it may not come out on that date WHICH IS FINE BY ME....sigh..i don't know how to not step on anyones toes, and if i can help in any process to help with cost or help with distro/bandwith (bw)/or anything else please let me know.

|EVIL|DoW
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: BNR34GTR on June 30, 2005, 09:17:42 am
I don't see how "holding" the subbed versions are going to make any of us cry. I do agree that people shouldn't expect the immediate release of the subs, but like it was said earlier, those idiots are always going to exsist. As far as the intentional holding of the show goes, I'd seem to think that these fan-subbing crews would drive people away by doing that.

I'd love to do the subbing myself, but I'm a little rusty on Japanese, so I can watch the RAWS and get a fairly good idea of what's going, but I do like the way the series has been done by L-E. Perhaps the moral of the story is that if you don't like the series, then don't get involved?

You may think you're getting back at us "IDTards"... But what you are truely doing is showing everyone that today it's Initial D and IDTards that you hate, but tomorrow or the next day it could change. What about when the series ends? Are you going to find some new Anime to rip on and "hold" the subbing of when the idiots set in? What about those people who don't do it, wait paitently, only to be told that there is a intentional hold on it to get back at people. I have never posted complaining about how long it's taking.

But people saying they will intentionally hold the subbing because of other people being idiots makes me wonder about both the morals and maturity of the people involved in that log post. I would also hope that kind of attitude would be frowned on by the people who are seniors in the L-E and IDE groups. If that were to happen with every anime, people might decide to look elsewhere for subs of any anime. I know I would.

 A forum I am part of, www.MX6.com, a forum for Mazda MX-6 owners, recently did banning of some of it's long-time, respected members because of things like that log post. It just goes to show that there are right and wrong ways to conduct yourself when there is the name and reputation of a group on the line. I agree with banning people who can't follow rules, even if it's only a temp-ban. And, it's alot more mature then going ":P We're gonna hold the sub...na nah na nah nah"

I think "donations" could be accepted without attracting attention from the Anime Companies btw. As long as it's clear that you are not rendering a service for money, and it's a person's own will to do said "donations", they cannot say that we are paying you to do it. We would simply be trying to allow you to do a better job by being able to afford better utilities, hosting space, etc.

Sorry for the Rant, and Thank You for the excellent subs of Initial D...
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: nope-mx3 on June 30, 2005, 09:28:05 am
I have read over the very intense Post ahead of this..and i have had one question ... and one question only...when will the subs be released usually they try to do it on the same day each month or whatever, just so i have something to look foward to..and btw i leave the bt open for as long as i can just so they don't have to waste to much of there BW.

I don't want this to be rude or whatever someone may take this as, i would just like to have an idea of the releases.. please be kind to this post as it was not noobish/sarcastic/hatefull to any other posts. and i do know this that even though there may be a set date it may not come out on that date WHICH IS FINE BY ME....sigh..i don't know how to not step on anyones toes, and if i can help in any process to help with cost or help with distro/bandwith (bw)/or anything else please let me know.

|EVIL|DoW

Why dont you understand?
Now we probably have to wait even longer....
The subs are out when they are out. Deal with it.

nope-mx3
Title: Re: Initial D 4th Stage comments...
Post by: JC on June 30, 2005, 10:03:53 am
God I just love all this bickering and squabbling about something as trivial as people not reading the topic, or just not understanding some general things about the way some groups work. I honestly now believe that it's a waste of time, resources (IE, power), and patience to abuse each other for peoples inability to read and comprehend plain and simple English. You could have this "DON'T ASK THEM WHEN IT'LL BE OUT" in neon fucking pink flashing writing at the top of the screen flashing so fast it send you either epileptic or blind!

At the end of the