Topic: Small rant, on other fansubbers...and a plea for a new project.

[Greylopht]

Ok.  Here we go.

In the past groups such as Live-Evl have provided some of the best translation as well as hastle free anime out there.  None of this, you need this codec, and that codec, and then these filters to play them.   Even my Macintosh using VLC plays things cleanly, and without a glitch.  Hell even my media PC wich is a meere 850MHZ athalon runnin XP, VLC and a meere 32 meg graphics card plays things very nicely.

Now here is the problem.   There is a fansub group out there using a new codec.  FFdshow (that is the codec)  to be exact that is a complete pig on processor power/memory/video card capabilitys.   Now why they do this.  (Do they have there parents pocket books in hand all the time?)  I do not know. But I can even toss old wolfs rain files into my 500 MHZ Pentium III machine in my bedroom and play tose peechy keen.  The point here.  Yes there is a POINT.

 (side note, Macintosh with anything will not play the FFdshow mkv files cleanly period.   I know I burned a DVD with the files,  then ran down to a friends house and tried them off his hard drive after copying them, using a program called Mplayer, we got no audio and the video was just as choppy and unwatchable as on my 800 duel processor Mac that is now 4 years old.  The outcome on VLC was just as horrid.)

The point is, everyone needs to see what is out there before they buy it.  I mean why spend 200 bucks on a boxed set of anime you know nothing about.  But also to allow others to be able to preview what is out there.  (what live-evil does and as well a great many others that I should mention but you all know who they are.)  The anime community is a community.  And there for if you have a 500 MHZ pentium III ya should be able to watch the same anime as someone with a liquid cooled 3 GHZ machine, no?  In all fairness I think it should be this way.  I mean there is a anime I am watching now.   (name witheld)  That plays just fine on my small media machine in my bedroom, and it is just coming out NOW (and that machine IS a 500 MHZ pentium III with a meere 256 megs of ram and a 32 meg graphics card) .  I dont see the reason for fancy codecs and the like.  I mean not all of us can afford uber huge machines.  If we have space constraints there is always CD/DVD's to burn correct?  A at a fair moricum because, face it do we all really need 3ghz+machines?  Not really.  A 1.5 gig machine can normaly get even a advanced user by with little effort.  (We are not talking about gamers here, they need to much too late     )

But at the end of all of this.  I would like to see a reliable fan sub group, (that is you, the live-evil group one of the best i have found out there)  To take over the Juuousei subbing.  Because I know it will be 1) quality   2) proper translation  3) it will not have to be played on ultimate end electronics.   and most of all 4) Your work has been exemplary in the past.

I think that all sums it up.  Sorry bout the rant but I am at wits end.  I have tried everything to get this to work on the machines I have.  And I am sure there are others out there like me that feel that.   A little larger file, for allot less hastle with hardware and codecs, means allot more as to loyality to fansub groups.

Thank You.

~Grey

[tlynnec]

Wow.  First off, we sincerely appreciate the compliment.

Second, I personallly agree completely with your point about codecs. (I speak for myself, not l-e as a whole, as I don't know eveyone's opinions on the subject). 

Third, I see no reason why we can't consider the project. HOWEVER, please be aware that ALL projects require a complete and dedicated staff to get off the ground.  Most of L-E's staff  are involved in multple projects and often stretched fairly thin, so if a complete project staff can't be managed, then  we can't commit to any new show. (Disclaimer complete ;p)

Cross your fingers and pray ^_~

Tlynnec

[Sindobook]

"means allot more as to loyality to fansub groups"
What is 'loyalty'?  Why does it matter?
Today, real working groups do not 'make' or 'mandate' decisions as to what will or will not be done.  Things can only be done if there is a will by the members to do them.  If something is important to you, get out there and do it. Asking that others take action to suit your own whims and preferences... the construct of 'community' is a false one to begin with.  There is no such thing as a 'right' or 'entitlement' here.  The reality is just a bunch of people doing what they want to do.  The producers or workers of meteriel ultimately decide what, how, and to what end is done; and there is nothing wrong with that.  In worse times, things were different, but those times are long behind us now. 

[gumbaloom]

As much as I'd have loved to sub JoS the lack of a l33t translator means we're kinda stuffed on that one :/

-gumbaloom

[Blue Mage]

Greylopht, I hate to do this to you, but I had no trouble running both ffdshow and Haali on a Pentium II. Admittedly, the h264 files these days would have murdered it, but even the avi files currently in use are not a problem on that particular computer and it's over ten years old. I'm not entirely sure what you're doing but I don't think it's the fansubber's encoding at fault.

As to Juuousei itself, I also love the show and have to say that there are a couple of excellent groups working on it. They are of course a bit slow, but you should be rather used to that if you've much experience with L-E. 

[Greylopht]

Slow is not the problem.   Seeding for 4 days after grabing seven episodes and then tossing them at several PC's to play them and having the same codec problem, is just a bit out there.   I did toss it at a Pentium 4 3 gig machine.  (my friends big honking gaming machine)  And with CoreAVC it played ok.  Little bit of artifacts here and there.  But it was using over 60% CPU power.  Wich is ALLOT!  On my 1.1 Athalon it barely plays and it is at 100% CPU usage.  Fresh XP SP2 install Core AVC and media player classic.  basically as light as the system is, it should play fine.  The H264 codec is way way bloated.  Not even my Mac likes it.  I am woring now.  ( I just extracted the video from the MKV) and am going to poke at it in a converter and see what the deal is.

[Blue Mage]

I seriously don't think you've got your codecs set up correctly. My 1.5 GHz machine plays any h264 just fine. CPU usage peaks at 30% and not a single artifact. I've never seen the problem you're describing.

You might want to go check out some of the codec packs (CCCP comes to mind) or other codec schemes (as in Froth-Bite's). MPC generally plays these files just fine. Hell, with the right codecs, WMP will play them just fine too.

[Greylopht]

Well I tried the Froth bite codec pack also. (slight improvement) The video is just a bit to large.  1240x780  Or something.  Cant rember.  At 25FPS, that will make many machines buck on a meere 1.1 gig processor.  (especially with the compression set to uber hard core like a 200M or less file size and the HDTV little bits and bobs thrown in.  )  Nedless to say, the Kat (who will remain namelss and who I work with, and whos honking gameing machine I borrowed)  Did the here.  Give this copy a try.  (nother group that I had not heard of before but one to look out for)  And viola, plays nicely on any of my machines.   As for the old files, they have gone the way the files of lore have gone.   Straight to the rubbish bin.  As for the copy I got from him.  Played very nicely.  (standard Xvid deal)  no issues. 

As for the series, well I think they could have done more.  But I havent read the Manga, shame it ends at Ep 11, the art is very nice.   Very -Bones- Ish.  Anyways, I think that is enough on this thread. 

PS,  I think it was the HDTV part that they were using that was the thorn in my side.  I loged into the groups IRC channel and asked, and many had the same problem.  Some of them using larger machines.   YMMV but I think simple basic direct is always the easiest approach.

[gumbaloom]

Whilst super hi-res encodes are nice not everyone is capable of running em. My machine is correctly configured for h264 but i'm pretty sure it'd struggle with the 1280x encodes.

If you want to do 1280x encodes you should at least make a bog standard 640x360 xvid encode which anybody and his dog can run :E

-gumbaloom