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What are your thoughts on this matter? Good? Bad? So-so?

Bad. I thought fansubbing was just an enjoyable hobby with no monetary gains? No pan handling required.
3 (25%)
Good. We should give back to our favorite groups! (Although, minor brainwashing and etc may be involved.)
0 (0%)
Neutral. I don't think it's good or bad, and don't really care.
2 (16.7%)
NEVER SHOULD BE DONE. End of story.
0 (0%)
Why are you asking this anyway?
1 (8.3%)
Brown-nosing is cool. I like to get acknowledged.  :D
0 (0%)
Fansubbing is not a non-profit organization like The American Red Cross....
2 (16.7%)
E, none of the above.
4 (33.3%)

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Donating money to fansub groups....good or bad?
« on: December 10, 2008, 04:56:30 am »
Alright, this is a rather controversial(maybe) topic that may lead to interesting feedback. Plus, I was bored, so I decided to make a random poll thread.  :D Anyway, select a choice and state your reason(s).


Me, personally, I think donating to fansub groups is unnecessary and honestly, dumb. EDIT: Isn't fansubbing an enjoyable hobby that  is done with no monetary gains involved? You work together with others that share similar fansubbing passions as you and produce unique works.. EDIT: You can get free web hosting and etc these days, so the "we need money to maintain the servers and pay for the bandwidth" reason doesn't apply anymore. Sure, if people are donating their private servers/trackers/bandwidth/etc, it can cost some money, but they're doing this knowing and acknowledging the costs of this process. When I see fansub groups getting lots of donations every month, I start to wonder if they're using the money for their own personal gains, i.e. - like how certain politicians do with campaign money. You know, buying things for themselves, whatever it may be. Now, I'm not trying to point fingers at anyone or anything. I just thought I would post my stance on the matter.  :)
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Re: Donating money to fansub groups....good or bad?
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2008, 05:21:02 pm »
Why do groups need money?  It doesn't really cost much money, just time, which is volunteered.  Everything else is pretty cheap or free. 

More than several years ago, money used to be a bigger part of fansubbing, from the 'sponsorship' donations fansubbers would ask for to the $10,000.-or-so profit a major fansub 'distro' (VHS or SVHS) like kodocha could make on the side.  But those days are pretty much gone, you have BT, you have free websites, etc. 

Don't get me wrong the pig gets a lot of 'donations' every month, especially carrots, shiny objects, and other 'chewables'.  But he has no use for money, once someone sent him some paper bills and he just chewed them up.

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Re: Donating money to fansub groups....good or bad?
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 03:23:19 am »
Only if the group needs something tangible and absolutely cannot afford it. (e.g. DVDs for a particular classic show, etc.) Taking donations to cover "server costs" is unacceptable. I think it's unethical and I wish groups wouldn't do it. (Yes, I'm looking at you, Chihiro)

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Re: Donating money to fansub groups....good or bad?
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 09:06:01 am »
Only if the group needs something tangible and absolutely cannot afford it. (e.g. DVDs for a particular classic show, etc.)

I have no problems with legitimate reasons like this. DVDs for classic series that have really hard to get or non-existant raws are costly. That's if they're still available/in print.


Taking donations to cover "server costs" is unacceptable. I think it's unethical and I wish groups wouldn't do it. (Yes, I'm looking at you, Chihiro)

Yeah, it's the same thing corrupt politicians do with their campaign money. They may say it goes towards "legitimate this or that stuff" or whatever, but we can all probably guess where it really goes.
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Re: Donating money to fansub groups....good or bad?
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 11:05:57 pm »
Yeah, it's the same thing corrupt politicians do with their campaign money. They may say it goes towards "legitimate this or that stuff" or whatever, but we can all probably guess where it really goes.

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Re: Donating money to fansub groups....good or bad?
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2008, 07:37:19 am »
Saintevil: lol, I see. You forgot to post which one of the choices you picked in the poll and the reason(s).  :P  :)
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Re: Donating money to fansub groups....good or bad?
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2008, 03:05:29 pm »
Am sorry does anybody remember the good old days?

Where we didnt have bittorent. People had fservers. It was really rare to have xdcc bots.
We didnt need money then why do we need it now?
So bittorent is out now. Any average person can help seed that.
Paying groups for there xdcc bots is a crime.
I will wait the time to get it off bittorrent then.
The only thing I can see people give money towards is rare dvds that we can make raws from.

Other then that its a slap in the face to the true fansubbers out there.
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Re: Donating money to fansub groups....good or bad?
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2008, 04:15:25 pm »
I think donating is okay as long as there is FULL DISCLOSURE as to how the money is used and ALL DONATIONS are publicly listed. Donations should be used ONLY to pay for hosting services and R2 DVDs.

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Re: Donating money to fansub groups....good or bad?
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2008, 02:47:58 am »
Well, personally I think it's stupid to donate to fansub groups, but if that's what people want to do, let them... It's not my money.

I've never really liked statements like what "fansubs are supposed to be" and the like...  It's really up to the individual fansubber and fansub group and, in this case, the individual fan.  If I don't agree with it, all I can do is provide an alternative example.

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Re: Donating money to fansub groups....good or bad?
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2008, 08:58:14 am »
Well, personally I think it's stupid to donate to fansub groups, but if that's what people want to do, let them... It's not my money.

Of course. The people who donate can do as they please. I won't tell them how to spend their money. I may think it's stupid but they may think it's good/cool. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.  :)

I've never really liked statements like what "fansubs are supposed to be" and the like...  It's really up to the individual fansubber and fansub group and, in this case, the individual fan.  If I don't agree with it, all I can do is provide an alternative example.

Hmm....maybe my statement came across wrong. I didn't use the "fansubs are supposed to be" part to make it sound like a set in stone rule or anything. I was just merely trying to show my firm stance on the matter. I will do some more editing to fix my poor wording and etc.  :-X
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Re: Donating money to fansub groups....good or bad?
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2008, 09:16:53 am »
No worries.  I wasn't meaning to be critical of anyone in particular, but I realize it came out that way...

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Re: Donating money to fansub groups....good or bad?
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2008, 09:24:54 am »
I actually don't think you were being critical. It's just another way of looking at the same matter. Besides, I was probably being a bit too critical myself, when I posted my stance at the start of this thread.
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Re: Donating money to fansub groups....good or bad?
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2008, 09:33:56 am »
You mean we aren't talking about my alcohol fund?
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Re: Donating money to fansub groups....good or bad?
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2008, 09:35:34 am »
Yeah, that's why I waited a few days before replying to this thread.  It didn't really change much, though...

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Re: Donating money to fansub groups....good or bad?
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2008, 09:36:19 am »
You mean we aren't talking about my beer fund?

Well, you can talk about your beer fund if you want bast.  :D But it will also be appreciated if you state your opinions on the thread's topic, too.  ;)
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