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General Forum / Re: nOObs to this forums introduce yourself HERE
« on: December 28, 2006, 10:56:56 pm »
Welcome to all the new people who have posted here since I last checked this thread.  I'm too lazy to type out all of your names, but I know I've seen some of you on IRC before.

Anyway, for Tias, the IRC channel is #live-evil on EnterTheGame server.  It is posted on the main page of L-E's site, along with a link to the botlist, so you can even check to see which bots have DN before joining the channel.

General Forum / Re: Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays!
« on: December 26, 2006, 01:05:04 am »
Happy Holidays, everyone!  Hope you all enjoy your time off from work/ school.  ;)

General Forum / Re: Forum Update
« on: December 14, 2006, 11:56:03 pm »
Actually, mikala updated the forums yesterday, so they should be all good now.  (Also, the bottom of the page says SMF 1.1, so I'm pretty sure it is all updated...)

General Forum / Re: nOObs to this forums introduce yourself HERE
« on: December 14, 2006, 09:00:59 pm »
Welcome to blip2, xjapan, Michael, and MorgothErmis.  (And to twik too, although I'm a bit late on that.)

Wow, some of you are quite specific in your responses... ^^

Michael: I see a lot of my favorite shows listed in your post.  Voices of a Distant Star is one of my all-time favorite anime.

MorgothErmis: I tend to overuse that smiley as well.  I'm trying to break the habit.

Anyway, enjoy your stay.  Make sure to follow the rules (do we even have rules for the forum posted somewhere?) and post often to liven this place up.

Past L-E Projects / Re: Death Note: Do you have what it takes to be L?
« on: December 14, 2006, 08:43:15 pm »
yeah, also possibility of those guy being husband of her sister (but there is other thing against it... what point in that then? he wont begin to love her any way in that case... but if they are twins, there is possibility of overtaking place of her sister those guy loves in that case :) )
That's actually the answer both my siblings gave when asked the question.  However, there isn't much logic behind the sister being married to the guy.  I think most people have met their sibling's spouses, if not while they were dating then at least at the wedding. 

Well, after few minutes of thinking most trustable version is:
they was twins. so she somehow met those guy who happened to like those woman, and they was together. so after founding that out our "woman" got mad and killed her own twin-sister.
there is nothing that denies possibility of twins up there, but one thing just doesnt fit. probably there is some connection to funeral of their mother after all? apperantly version of killing in hopes of meeting those guy on funeral of sister is totaly wrong, cause there is no facts telling us do those guy knows sister or no.
Hmm, I'm not sure if I'm fully understanding what you're talking about here.  Are you saying that the girls are twins and the woman met this guy who started dating her twin sister?   (Which would imply that the guy does indeed know the sister.)

Past L-E Projects / Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
« on: December 14, 2006, 03:52:57 am »
I see that keepergirl and I come from completely diffrent places here, when you list reasons for the death penalty I only see reasons why not to have it. And the last point is quite intresting, all though completely nonsense. The main point after catching criminals is to get them back into civilization. If you look at murdercases, how many murderes actually commit another one? A tiny persentage, and they are mostly part of organized crime. Which i said earlier is something to strike hard down on.

Anyway, I think most of your points are based on ignorance, no matter how much facts you cough up. I don't think I will ever understand the death penalty, even if someone would rape my girlfriend I would not want to see them dead. Better with a lifetime of regret than a few years of martyrdom.

This has gotten quite off topic so I will let this be for now. We could talk more on IRC if you want  ;)
Did you really think I would let this die with your post in which you imply I'm ignorant? 

You and I do come from very different places, geographically, culturally, and mentally. 
As for your belief that our main goal in catching criminals is to rehabilitate them and release them, I completely disagree (and this is the root of our entire disagreement).  I feel the main goal in catching criminals should be to make society safer for the innocent people.  Rehabilitation as a goal has continually failed in US prisons, which is a cause of repeated offenses.  Some people can NEVER fit into a civilized society.  It's something I said earlier and I still believe it.  And yet, these people are allowed back on to the streets to commit the crimes, and more innocent lives are shattered. 
It is true that murder has a lower repeated offense rate than most other crimes, even in the US.  This is simply because (in the US) most murderers get life imprisonment, so they are kept out of society. 
Regarding your 'lifetime of regret' line, do you really think most people who commit crimes worth the death penalty feel regret?  I can assure you that most do not.  Reading some last lines before death from criminals really demonstrates how cold to the core these people are.

It appears, hostghost, that you and I are just too different in our fundamental beliefs to ever come close to agreeing on this topic.  It seems to me that you are an idealist, and hold optimistic views regarding other people.  I, on the other hand, am a realist for the most part.  I think our (the US's) penal system is too lax on people who commit felonies and on people who are repeat offenders.  I also feel the entire system needs an overhaul, but I know that that will probably never happen.  Regardless, I think we should just agree to disagree here.  Much like the offer given to me, if you would like to discuss this topic more, feel free to PM me on IRC.

If you follow the links, you'll see that things like "Assualt (homocide)" is pretty far down the list, generally around #15.  Politically charged issues like 'guns' are often overblown.  A madman with a gun can kill 20-or-so people before he is stopped, but a madman with an explosive can kill more, and a madman with a poison or toxin can kill even more.  Yet the gun is often illegal, and the latter two are legal (explosives are used for mining and demolition, and toxins are avaliable over-the-counter in supermarket and hardware store shelves).  And even many places where guns are allowed often had oddball laws... in the US many states guns are legal but nunchaku, double-edged blades, brass knuckles, etc. are illegal (a gun is clearly more dangerous than any of these other archaic weapons).
I agree 100% with all this.  These issues are often overblown, particularly gun control.  That's actually why I did not want this discussion to turn into a debate about guns, because there is no conclusive evidence for either side of the argument (although the same can probably be said about the death penalty).

Past L-E Projects / Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
« on: December 12, 2006, 08:27:07 pm »
It wasn't meant to be funny.  I was completely serious when I wrote that.  The type of people who are sentenced to the death penalty here are those types of people- the ones who see no value in anyone's life.

Regarding the death penalty and recurring crimes, I personally feel the death penalty is not used often enough.  At least not here in NY (I know in Texas they do make more use out of it, although I'm not sure of statistics there).  In my mind, the death penalty accomplishes a few things:
1. If people fear the death penalty, they may avoid committing the crime (which wouldn't really help with the type of people described above, because most of them don't even think of consequences, but it may help some others hold themselves back from committing the crime).
2. If the death penalty gets used, it frees up room in prisons and lessens the cost for taxpayers, who won't have to provide that criminal with food and shelter for the rest of his life.
3. It often eases the burden on the victim's loved ones to know that the criminal who stole the victim's life lost his own as a consequence.
4. It properly punishes the criminal for his crime, in my opinion.
5. It ensures that the criminal will NEVER be on the streets again.  This is the most important point, in my mind, because you'd be surprised to see some of the criminals that manage to get back out into civilization, whether it be through escaping, mistakes in paperwork, or actual, legit release. 

With building more prisons, the problem isn't just money to build it.  It's also money to keep it running, provide staff, provide food to criminals, etc.  Also, there are space issues.  The places that need the prisons are the same places that have no room for more prisons.

My point with the fraction of a second thing is that it requires forethought and intent.  Planning, in other words.  That's not just a split second thing- that's a major difference.  In the time that it takes to plan, that criminal did not stop and think about the morals and consequences of the act.  So yes, s/he should be punished accordingly.  Failure to think about consequences is NOT an excuse.

(Regarding Norway's gun laws, I do believe you.  Upon further reading I'm seeing contradictory information, so I'm still researching it.  Finding info about Norway is rather difficult- almost everything is either the US or Britain. :P)
(Oh, I should add: the majority of guns that are used to harm or kill others in the US are illegally owned.  They are smuggled in usually from other areas and distributed illegally.  Many of the types of guns are not even legal at all in the US.  So stricter gun control laws don't even seem to help, because they affect only legal channels of distribution, while the criminals generally don't use legal means.  Just thought I'd add that for clarification- I'm not trying to start a gun control debate here.)

Past L-E Projects / Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
« on: December 12, 2006, 07:02:32 pm »
Here in Norway we have a maximum sentence for 21 years, this works quite allright for now. Since we don't have serial killers or mass rapists etc. The crime repetition rate for murderers here are almost 0.
I know that crime is diffrent around the world, and when you actually have repetative criminals there is no problem to lock them up for good. I can't see why you would have to kill them. How many innocent people do you think the american legal system  have murdered?
It is so tragic when you read that they find evidence that contradicts a verdict and the person was killed just a few days ago....

Death penalty is contradicting the human rights, and when you take the boy away from he's mother and kills him. Becouse he pulled a trigger? Should one really be able to ruin ones life with such a small decission. Guns are widely available in the US and danger lurks almost every corner, atleast for the less fortunate ones. Should we condemn them for infinity for just a fraction of a second decission?
First of all, it wouldn't be a fraction of a second, unless you're dealing with underground gun distribution.  Legal gun distribution, at least here in NY (my mind is failing me right now and I can't remember whether these guns laws are set by the state or country) require a waiting period before you get your gun.  And chances are, if you're dealing with 'black market' firearms, you're probably already involved in a world that can never be good.  (Interesting note: I was just doing some reading online, and it appears that Norway's laws regarding gun control are more relaxed than those of the US, and gun ownership there is higher than in the US.  So guns are also widely available in Norway, and yet that doesn't seem to affect their crime rates [unless it's bringing them down].)
I also find it amusing that you consider those that kill less fortunate.  Personally, I consider the victims to be on the unfortunate side of that exchange.
Essentially, I believe that yes, these criminals should be condemned for their decision.  Because it was not only their decision, but their actions.  And people need to accept the consequences of their actions.  (Which is something that any good school teaches children.  I fail to see why children should be held responsible for their actions but adults shouldn't be.)
(Also, I should specify that the people convicted of murder are usually not the "heat-of-the-moment" type people who kill.  When I say murderers, these are the people who have planned in advance to kill, and are not bothered by the fact that they just took a human life.)

So, now for some fun statistics regarding crime in the US:
Fifty-three percent of jail inmates were on probation, parole or pretrial release at the time of arrest.
Four in 10 jail inmates had a current or past sentence for a violent offense.
Thirty-nine percent of jail inmates in 2002 had served 3 or more prior sentences to incarceration or probation...
(Stats from 2002, taken from: - Bureau of Justice Statistics [US Department of Justice]).

Also, from the 105th Congress Report (
"Much of the problem of violent crime is a result of a relatively small group of chronic violent offenders who repeatedly cycle through our criminal justice system: they get arrested, sometimes convicted, occasionally sent to prison and then they are almost always released early after serving only a fraction of their sentences. Victims are frequently under the impression that a convicted offender will serve his or her sentence in full when in fact, violent criminals--those who murder, rape, rob and assault--serve an average of 48 percent of their sentences."

If you read the footnotes following that, it's even more disgusting:
"Although violent offenders receive an average sentence of almost eight years imprisonment, they actually serve less than four years in prison. Typically, violent criminals are discharged from prison in two years or less, and 76 percent will be back on the street in four years or less."
"Many violent offenders get no prison time at all. On any given day, about 3 convicted offenders were on probation and parole for every 1 convicted offender in prison."

Obviously, repeat offenses are a huge problem here in the US.  Particularly in violent crimes.  (Another growing problem, by the way, is prison overcrowding.  This is one of the reasons why prisoners who have not served their full time are ending up back out on the streets.)

As for your question of how many innocent people have been given the death penalty?  I haven't checked out the stats on that, but I don't believe that happens very often.  Our appeal system allows many, many, many appeals of the conviction and sentence.  As much as the death penalty seems like a big thing to people in countries without, here in NY very few people ever get sentenced to death, and even fewer actually get killed.

(By the way, the repeat offenders thing isn't unique to the US.  I was just reading some British facts/ statistics, and it appears they, too, have an issue with repeat offenses, especially for violent crimes.)

Kayryn: No, hitting someone with your car is not considered murder in the first degree (which, as far as I know, is the only murder charge punishable by death).  This is why I specified above that the people who I am referring to are not the 'accidently killed a person once' type killers.  People who get convicted on a first-degree murder charge are usually cold, hard, uncaring,  psychopathic and very intelligent people.  The type of people who would look their mother in the eye as they stabbed her repeatedly. 

To keep this post from being entirely off-topic: If I happened upon a Death Note, I probably would feel the need to test it out to see if it really works.  But that's only if I picked it up.  If I saw it lying on the ground, I probably wouldn't even pick it up, figuring that it was just someone's notebook and not anything special.

Past L-E Projects / Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
« on: December 12, 2006, 02:16:49 am »
furthermore. it isnt right to kill criminals and felons? i mean no matter who it is they deserve a 2nd chance or perhaps even a 3rd and a 4th etc.
I very strongly disagree with that statement.  I do not believe child killers deserve even a second chance.  Nor do rapists, child molesters, and murderers.  How many innocent victims must there be before we learn that some people will NEVER be able to control themselves in a civilized society?  Seriously, we're not talking about speeding tickets here.  I work with children for a living, and they are innocent, trusting, and beautiful.  I simply cannot forgive someone who destroys a child's life, whether it be through murder or molestation.  In addition to this, crimes like child molestation are perpetuating.  A number of criminals performing these acts were victims themselves as children.  The cycle needs to stop somewhere.  (As for rape, some people don't truly understand the horrors of that crime.  I, and many like-minded people, would rather be murdered than raped.  Rape is torture of the worst kind, as you are forced to continue your existence with the constant reminder of what you've been through.  I feel rape is a crime worthy of the death penalty along with murder.)

But firstly, is it normal (abides the rules) for a shinigami to carry 2 death notes?
I believe something is said in the first episode about this by one of the other death gods.  If I remember correctly, he implies that Ryuk is not supposed to have a second Death Note.  Maybe I ought to look back through that episode...

Well, after that,will "L" push Light to the point where he decides to make the deal with Ryuk ( the Shinigami eyes deal ).
Someone unintentionally leaked spoilers to me on another forum, so I know the answer to this.  For obvious reasons, I will refrain from posting it here.

zzz i feel sry for them Typesetters. Its irritating to keep editing the post due to grammer , mostly punctuation errors. Also put paragraphs for easier reading. I usually cant be bothered bout those but i know its a pain to read jumbled up stuffs =)
Are you referring to editing your own post?  Editors are the ones who edit the scripts and stuff (obviously, there are editors for print materials as well).  Typesetters style the episode.  They're responsible for the dialogue font, the signs in the episode, and that sort of stuff.  If you'd like to see what each person is responsible for, have a look at the newly-created Live-Evil FAQ.

Past L-E Projects / Re: Death Note: Do you have what it takes to be L?
« on: December 12, 2006, 01:48:28 am »
Our Suz is a psychopath. 
Thanks goodness I'm not the only one.  My sister posed this question to my brother and myself ages ago, and I didn't even have to think about it.  To be quite honest, the 'psychopathic' answer is the most logical one.  It may seem extreme, but it does make sense.

So, yay, I'm not the only psychopath here!

General Forum / Re: Where are you guys from?
« on: December 12, 2006, 01:33:20 am »
I feel the need to post simply to tick off Mr_Paper in the IRC channel.

I'm from Long Island, New York.

Past L-E Projects / Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
« on: December 08, 2006, 10:34:53 pm »
It took me a while to do the conversion since I'm a stupid American, but I think Detroit, Michigan (where I'm from) is the winner so far at negative 7°C.
In NY this morning it was -8°C (18°F).  (Of course, this was the city-ish/ Long Island areas.  I'm sure it was much colder upstate.)

In response to Cougar's question: I basically agree with everything twik said about it (both in the apple representing the downfall of man and the apple-eating thing being a fun trait given to Ryuk). 

As for episode 10, I haven't really sat down and watched the final version of it yet, but I really enjoyed the interactions between Light and L.  The mindgames with each other were fascinating, although I found fault with some of L's reasoning.  However, since Tsubie came back into this thread and she hasn't seen past episode 7, I don't want to spoil anything for her, so I'm holding back on specifics.  Tsubie, hurry and watch the last three episodes- they're good.  ;)

Past L-E Projects / Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
« on: December 05, 2006, 05:11:39 am »
Oh, I just joined and I didn't get to mention anything earlier in this thread haha. I just want to say that Light is my favourite character in the series. I just like how he is confident and intelligent.

Finally, can anybody update me on the whole Viz situation? It appears that they are definately going to license Death Note since they have licensed the manga. Does anybody know when they are going to license it. I am just afraid because once it's licensed, Live-Evil will stop fan-subbing it and we are going to hear messed up voices in the translated version.
Well, first, welcome to the L-E forums. :)  Make sure to go introduce yourself in the General Forum (there's a thread there for new users to introduce themselves).

Secondly, yay, another Light fan!  Hmm, if the poll is still open, make sure to vote for him there. 

As for the Viz thing, they are not "definitely" going to license the anime.  They are most likely to, since they have the license to the manga, but the license can go to another company (which has happened with a number of other shows).  Yes, Live-Evil will stop subbing Death Note when or if a license is officially announced.  However, there's really no need for you to worry about the voices, because whatever company licenses the show will, undoubtedly, include the Japanese audio track with subtitles on the DVD.  So you will still be able to listen to those wonderful Japanese voices, all while watching a high-quality DVD release.

Past L-E Projects / Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
« on: December 05, 2006, 04:25:00 am »
After watching the last episode I have a new question.  Is it ok for L to hide behind the name of a famous person?  If L's goal is to use an obviously false name to show that he knows of Kira's limitation, he could have accomplished the same thing by using a famous name from fictional literature.  Using a fake name is a prudent precaution given what L suspects about Kira, however, using the name of a real person whose face is well known puts that person at risk.  L might assume that Kira would go through the thought process Light does, which is that he cannot use this name to kill on the off chance he pictures the real Ryuga Hideki, but there remains a real possibility that Kira wouldn't care about that and just kill him anyway.  Perhaps L must use the name of a real person in order to confer that extra level of protection, but if that is so, surely there must be some Japanese equivalent of Kevin Federline that could be used instead in this situation.
My thoughts about this were that possibly L intends on making contact with the people from the two families he most suspects.  If he were to do this, he could give each individual a different false name.  If only Light believes that this person's name is Ryuga Hideki, and he tries to kill him but ends up killing the real Ryuga Hideki, that would show L immediately that Light is Kira.  Of course, if that were the case, he would be playing with and showing disregard for other people's lives, which shows that L isn't always the most moral person either.

Can someone tell me what happened to Ryuk's voice? It is the same dubber for sure but he changed the way he speaks. Anybody noticed it too?
Someone was mentioning this on IRC, although he thought it was a different person dubbing Ryuk.  I personally noticed a slight difference, but didn't pay much attention to it.  Also, through the beginning of the episode, I basically attributed it to Ryuk's withdrawal.

Past L-E Projects / Re: DEATH NOTE!!!! .:.Master Thread.:.
« on: December 02, 2006, 09:06:49 am »
To make matters worse, there's something acoustically different about her voice, at least in the first few episodes. It's like they recorded her in a different studio than everyone else or something. Did anyone else notice this? Or am I just being overly picky because I listen to every line in every episode at least 4-5 times?
Well, because you mentioned that, I just went back and listened to her lines in episode 2.  While she's outside his door, the acoustics are definitely different, but I'm sure that was intentional.  When she is in his room, the acoustics do sound a bit different than they do for the other characters, but I think that might actually be due to her high-pitched voice.  Plus, it sort of sounds like she's got a bit of a nasal-ly tone to her voice, which would also make it sound odd in comparison with the rest of the cast.

Well, I am one of those lucky people that the forums are hating on right now,  :P so I've only been able to access them twice in the past 2 weeks.  :'( That's why I didn't respond sooner ;)
Hmm, did you happen to catch Yaoi's post on IRC about setting the IP for the site in your hosts file?  If not, let me know on IRC and I can help you do that, which should enable you to get on the site and forums more often.

He used a piece of lead, or really tiny pencil. I'm not just making this up: he uses it later on in the series, too.
I actually thought he might be using a smaller pencil.  Yay for Light being smart while risking his hide!

Hmm, regarding the Ryuk thing,  I really think Ryuk just wants to be entertained and the challenges to Light are entertaining for him.  I also do believe that he's not supposed to interfere, or at least he's supposed to try not to interfere.  I don't think he's rooting for Light's failure, at least not at this point.  To me, it's more like he's at a hockey game to watch the fights; he's impartial as to who comes out the victor so long as it's a good, competitive fight.

On a completely unrelated note: Yay!  I can smite or applaud people now!

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