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BNR34GTR:
I don't see how "holding" the subbed versions are going to make any of us cry. I do agree that people shouldn't expect the immediate release of the subs, but like it was said earlier, those idiots are always going to exsist. As far as the intentional holding of the show goes, I'd seem to think that these fan-subbing crews would drive people away by doing that.
I'd love to do the subbing myself, but I'm a little rusty on Japanese, so I can watch the RAWS and get a fairly good idea of what's going, but I do like the way the series has been done by L-E. Perhaps the moral of the story is that if you don't like the series, then don't get involved?
You may think you're getting back at us "IDTards"... But what you are truely doing is showing everyone that today it's Initial D and IDTards that you hate, but tomorrow or the next day it could change. What about when the series ends? Are you going to find some new Anime to rip on and "hold" the subbing of when the idiots set in? What about those people who don't do it, wait paitently, only to be told that there is a intentional hold on it to get back at people. I have never posted complaining about how long it's taking.
But people saying they will intentionally hold the subbing because of other people being idiots makes me wonder about both the morals and maturity of the people involved in that log post. I would also hope that kind of attitude would be frowned on by the people who are seniors in the L-E and IDE groups. If that were to happen with every anime, people might decide to look elsewhere for subs of any anime. I know I would.
A forum I am part of, www.MX6.com, a forum for Mazda MX-6 owners, recently did banning of some of it's long-time, respected members because of things like that log post. It just goes to show that there are right and wrong ways to conduct yourself when there is the name and reputation of a group on the line. I agree with banning people who can't follow rules, even if it's only a temp-ban. And, it's alot more mature then going ":P We're gonna hold the sub...na nah na nah nah"
I think "donations" could be accepted without attracting attention from the Anime Companies btw. As long as it's clear that you are not rendering a service for money, and it's a person's own will to do said "donations", they cannot say that we are paying you to do it. We would simply be trying to allow you to do a better job by being able to afford better utilities, hosting space, etc.
Sorry for the Rant, and Thank You for the excellent subs of Initial D...
nope-mx3:
--- Quote from: tesdall on June 30, 2005, 08:58:20 am ---I have read over the very intense Post ahead of this..and i have had one question ... and one question only...when will the subs be released usually they try to do it on the same day each month or whatever, just so i have something to look foward to..and btw i leave the bt open for as long as i can just so they don't have to waste to much of there BW.
I don't want this to be rude or whatever someone may take this as, i would just like to have an idea of the releases.. please be kind to this post as it was not noobish/sarcastic/hatefull to any other posts. and i do know this that even though there may be a set date it may not come out on that date WHICH IS FINE BY ME....sigh..i don't know how to not step on anyones toes, and if i can help in any process to help with cost or help with distro/bandwith (bw)/or anything else please let me know.
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Why dont you understand?
Now we probably have to wait even longer....
The subs are out when they are out. Deal with it.
nope-mx3
JC:
God I just love all this bickering and squabbling about something as trivial as people not reading the topic, or just not understanding some general things about the way some groups work. I honestly now believe that it's a waste of time, resources (IE, power), and patience to abuse each other for peoples inability to read and comprehend plain and simple English. You could have this "DON'T ASK THEM WHEN IT'LL BE OUT" in neon fucking pink flashing writing at the top of the screen flashing so fast it send you either epileptic or blind!
At the end of the day, there is always going to be one or two idiots to spoil the whole fucking thing for everyone else, and they know who they are, because they either do it for fun, are the sort of person who has to do something they're told not to to see what happens, or genuinely don't know the way things work (usually because they're the second group who don't READ)
Yes, usually I'm quite calm and collected, and I don't use dodgy French in my posts, but I'm tired, had a really long day at work, and coming home to even more immaturity and stupidity that I could understand coming from my 6 year old brother... Really pisses me the hell off!
And as for the guys from L-E, hold it back for as long as you deem suitable, lose fans, whatever it may take to get most of the message across to people. I'm still going to wait quite patiently for your excellent work, and possibly even contribute online hardware and funding via alternative methods to the cause in a few weeks time.
Reason: Because they fucking well deserve free shit for the job they do!
(pardon the French)
Entropicity:
Hi there
I've been lurking in these forums for a long time.
However the events of the past few days has made me decide to post my view on the intentional delay issue.
First of all, thank you LE and IDE for the excellent fansubs! I throughly enjoy them, even the Karaoke style opening and closing :D
However, I think all these threats about delaying the subs from coming out are nonsensical and uncalled for. Just because some noob logs on for the first time and asks for the episodes isnt cause to punish the entire fansub community by delaying the subs.
Many of us are not kids, and we need not be treated like so. What does delaying subs do? It simply shows that pride is beginning to surface amongst some of the LE people. Just by making fansubs that people enjoy doesnt make you their Lord and Ruler. I understand you may be frustrated that some people do not understand the time and effort needed to produce such excellent fansubs however this doesnt give you the power to threaten a delay.
I find it disheartening that some people have stooped to almost bootlicking proportions to placate LE and sooth LE's anger at noobs who demand subs. LE are not your gods, if LE wasnt doing subs, someone else would be.
LE please do not fall into the trap that is called pride. While we respect your abilities to turn out great fansubs, many of us also notice a certain proudness growing from within. By all means take the time you need to churn out the fansubs but do not judge or punish those who do not recognize the effort needed. Continuously threatening delays only reinforces the impression of arrogance on your part. So just bring on the fansubs at your own time and ignore the unreasonable demands of noobs, they are this way because they enjoy your fansubs too but are not tactful in their haste to get more of the good stuff from LE.
Just remember, LE is only as big as the fans. Without people who download your fansubs, you are nothing.
Thanks for reading my rant. Once again thanks for the fansubs.
angelan:
okay i felt the need to step in. Dispite my taking a break from the QC team at live evil (i now work 8 hours a day, drive 3 hours, sleep 8 hours) Adding it up, it doesn't leave me very much time when my parents would also appreciate the fact that I spend SOME time with them.
That was just an example of how my life, cut short my time to help L-E.
When push comes to shove, each member of L-E has a life outside of fan subbing. We do not book off ourselves to do Initial D or any other "high profile" show. If it so happens that all of us happened to have computer failures, or "happen" to have exams around the same time. Please. Don't complain that it took us 1 month for one release, and 1 week for another. If we felt like pulling together, stay up late, and decide to try and truck out ID4 in time for new years, it's a bonus to us, when fans are happily surprised to find ID4 subbed in time for new years (or was it Christmas, i don't remember).
The "warning to hold" a series is not new. For those of you who have been around, you'd know that. And you'd also know that this is not normally the case. People at L-E may be ready to pounce on me as I say this, but most of the time it's scare tactic. It's also a way to get noobs off our back. If you visit our channel regularly, you would see that we actually have an unofficial noob sweep team. We might as well name them that. How often have you heard our reasons for the delay as: computer failure on the encoder's side, lost of the translation file due to other computer failures, etc, etc. Noobs could care less about these reasons (many of these reasons have been the real reasons for previous releases of ID4). Because the often sarcastic tone of "we'll hold the release" will be enough to calm noobs down, we kept using it. However, I guess our ID "fans" can no longer be scared. It's sad really for this to finally blow up like it has for the last two episodes of this stage. Remember people. The team has been dealing with this now for OVER a year. To call them IDtards is a label....just like noob, or narutard.
Also, note that Live-Evil doesn't JUST do releases for ID4. They have other releases that have been waiting longer than a month to get out. Do you not think that it's only fair to queue those out as well, rather than always giving ID4 priority? Like Gumb said, Sailor moon has been worked on for 8 months!!! Dispite not liking live-action or sailor moon much, we work on it anyway. We're not in it for the business aspect of it all. We don't have a download quota to meet each month, most of the time we also don't prioritize a series by it's popularity in the market.
Once again, we suggest that you go out and get other versions of subs. Over the year and a half that this series has been chugging out, many other fan subs HAVE put out subs for ID4 as well. If you really NEED to get the stuff NOW...go look them up. None of us will blame you or ban you from downloading our stuff. We can't get it out before they do, that's our problem. We lose "market share" that's our fault. Is it our obligation to meet a deadline set by fans? no. Theres a reason why ID4 is released in japan every 2 months, so why can't we be cut some slack for doing fan subs in a month? Jus because other people do it quicker, doesn't mean we must conform.
Just think about some of these things. Give us new ideas to turn noobs away next time they ask us. Draw up a top 100 effective things to do when noobs ask when the next release is, whatever you want.
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